This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/472.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I have a copy of "before the bridge" also. I think that the ("another") Joesph Santigo/Meswatego that you found is the one listed on the durant roll as #1. The ages certainly match up. Yes it is fun, especially when new ancestor's are 'discovered' or relationships that you're not sure of are cleared up, hence my request for additional sources of info in the Antoine Martin parent question. Thanks again for your response.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/472.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I found another Joesph Santigo/Meswatego (son of Francis Sattagon and Chabokouaamoke) occupation chief/fisherman who was married to his first wife Chaboquamoque. His 2nd wife was Esther Martin born 1834,baptized 21 Sept 1834,St Anne's Church Mack Island (daughter of Antoine Martin-Soud jr and Odaiandjiokoue/Wawading) Joesph died 27 Sept 1911 which is the same Joesph Santigo/Cettago/Satago who I believe appears in the "Book Before The Bridge which I have a copy of.That picture is on page 46 of the book if you get a chance to see it of Joesph Santigo and his sister Elizabeth who was married to a Lozon.Then on page 61 of this same book there's an article that mentions "Santigo and Others" and tells how Santigo remained along the shore north of Moran Bay,finally becoming established with a group at what was called the Santigo settlement at the eight mile junction highway north of St. Ignace.It was sufficiently large to rate a country school.Santigo was apparently of a French father,being born in Canada,with an Indian mother,and was raised by an Indain family.His father's name was Chevalier,the name "Santigo" being a corruption of Misatago,persumably drived from the mother's side.His grandson,age 77 living on Bashore Road,was born at the Santigo settlement,and has verified that the "Chief" who died in 1911,was 100 years of age on May 2 of that year.Isn't genealogy fun? Ha! Ha! Cherie Eck-Tebo

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/472.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks. In looking at that reference you are correct, Joseph Misatago #2 age 64, wife's name Elizabeth. I believe Joseph Mesawtego #1 age 97 was married to Esther Martin, daughter of Antoine Martin Jr. I have a copy of her obit dated May 6 1893 from St. Ignace library listing her as Mrs. Esther Santago. Was just wondering of which of the Santago's (various spelling's) the picture was.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/472.1.1 Message Board Post: Larry to answer your question.According to the Ottawas and Chippawas Of Michigan census of Aug 01,1908 I have and is at the Public library in Mack City states the head ofhousehold off the 1870 roll shows Joesph Santigo's wife as being Elizabeth and her maiden name was Pelotte and she was the daughter of Nancy Pelotte.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/472.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the photo. Would you know if this is the Chief Santigo (various spellings) that married Esther Martin, daughter of Antoine Martin Jr.?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.1.2 Message Board Post: Thank you for your input Stan. I read this exactly the same way. Phillipe is most likely a blood relative to Antoine. However, in no way could I say that Phillipe and Marie Felicite Carignan were Antoine's parents, just going by this baptism record. As I've seen this posted on the internet in other family tree's what I was hoping for was another source of reference that someone might have. If not, than the only mention of these individuals that I feel comfortable putting in my family tree would be as a note under this baptism, not as Antoine's parents.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/473 Message Board Post: I've been getting some strange and weird replies to my queries.I've become so turned off by these so-called researchers who proclaim to be such experts in genealogy. They never or rarely ever state who their sources are and post research items they recieve from other people on these messages boards anyhow .I've had these so-called researchers admit to me that alot of the info they post weren't even their own research. I had someone e-mail just yesterday correcting the spelling on a ladies indian name and what that meant. I challenge that person or anyone else to prove/show me that it's not possible to find vital documents and such on the ancestors that they're researching or already researched where name spellings and the like always match.I have found so many different spellings for surnames like Belonger/Belongea/Belonga/Belanzhay and corruptions of other surnames on census records,birth,baptismals,deaths,marriage,and on the Ottawas Chippawas Census,population census,,indian annunity payment rolls,boarding school records,church records and records that are on file at public libraries. As an example I recieved a e-mail the other day from a lady that was correcting the spelling of a Indian name in my query on a relative that's on another branch of my family tree which I posted to help a cousin of mine.The cousin I was helping read and spelled the name off of a record he'd recieved. Noone is responsible for how something is typed or written on a document.Take us all out to be shot and hung.Will the people who are the perfect researcher Please Stand Up. Cherie Eck-Tebo

Thank you for your input Stan. I read this exactly the same way. Phillipe is most likely a blood relative to Antoine. However, in know way could I say that Phillipe and Marie Felicite Carignan were Antoine's parents, just going by this baptism record. As I've seen this posted on the internet in other family tree's what I was hoping for was another source of reference that someone might have. If not, than the only mention of these individuals that I feel comfortable putting in my family tree would be as a note under this baptism, not as Antoine's parents. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Wickman [mailto:swickman@twmi.rr.com] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:27 AM To: MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIMac] Re: Antoine Martin As I read the translated baptismal record, the godmother of Antoine, son of Antoine Soud and a "woman savage of the nation of the Sotteurs," was Marie Felicite (accent on the final "e") Carignan. Madame Carignan was godmother to many children in her time: evident from the other listings in the baptismal record. The godfather of Antoine, son of Antoine Soud and a "woman savage of the nation of the Sotteurs," was Philippe Soud dit MARTIN. Dit appears frequently in French records of French persons. Its origin is murky to me. I was told that it is akin to the English phrase, "also known as," but does not mean "alias." The entry for 15 June 1794 from which the above information was taken gives the father's name as Antoine Soud. However, the index for the volume in which this entry appears lists the name of "MARTIN, Antoine, dit Soud. . . ." Apparently, there is a blood relationship between the father, Antoine, and the godfather, Philippe, but it is not clear in this entry. There are additional MARTIN entries in the index: Antoine junior, dit Soud; Catherine; Charles; Deborah; Louis; Marie Magdeleine, dit Soud; and Philippe, dit Soud. Stan swickman@twmi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <bazinaus@nmo.net> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: [MIMac] Re: Antoine Martin > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Just wanted to add here as per my miniscule knowledge of Ojibway/Chippewa language, that Susanne's last name, her native name, probably ends in "kwe". This means "woman" in the Ojibway language. > My husband is decended from this couple, too, through Catherine Martin. Now I am confused about Antoine's parentage...are Philip Martin and Marie Felicite Carignan Antoine's parents or godparents??? >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Santigo, Santago, Luzon, Paquin Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/472 Message Board Post: Here is a photo of Chief Santago aka Chief Santigo. I compared it to another photo of him and it is the same guy. Hopefully, I can make this post.

As I read the translated baptismal record, the godmother of Antoine, son of Antoine Soud and a "woman savage of the nation of the Sotteurs," was Marie Felicite (accent on the final "e") Carignan. Madame Carignan was godmother to many children in her time: evident from the other listings in the baptismal record. The godfather of Antoine, son of Antoine Soud and a "woman savage of the nation of the Sotteurs," was Philippe Soud dit MARTIN. Dit appears frequently in French records of French persons. Its origin is murky to me. I was told that it is akin to the English phrase, "also known as," but does not mean "alias." The entry for 15 June 1794 from which the above information was taken gives the father's name as Antoine Soud. However, the index for the volume in which this entry appears lists the name of "MARTIN, Antoine, dit Soud. . . ." Apparently, there is a blood relationship between the father, Antoine, and the godfather, Philippe, but it is not clear in this entry. There are additional MARTIN entries in the index: Antoine junior, dit Soud; Catherine; Charles; Deborah; Louis; Marie Magdeleine, dit Soud; and Philippe, dit Soud. Stan swickman@twmi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <bazinaus@nmo.net> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: [MIMac] Re: Antoine Martin > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Just wanted to add here as per my miniscule knowledge of Ojibway/Chippewa language, that Susanne's last name, her native name, probably ends in "kwe". This means "woman" in the Ojibway language. > My husband is decended from this couple, too, through Catherine Martin. Now I am confused about Antoine's parentage...are Philip Martin and Marie Felicite Carignan Antoine's parents or godparents??? >

pls delete me from this mailing list. Matt Brown -----Original Message----- From: bazinaus@nmo.net [mailto:bazinaus@nmo.net] Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:25 PM To: MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MIMac] Re: Antoine Martin This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.1.1 Message Board Post: Just wanted to add here as per my miniscule knowledge of Ojibway/Chippewa language, that Susanne's last name, her native name, probably ends in "kwe". This means "woman" in the Ojibway language. My husband is decended from this couple, too, through Catherine Martin. Now I am confused about Antoine's parentage...are Philip Martin and Marie Felicite Carignan Antoine's parents or godparents??? _______________________________________ CAUTION: electronic mail sent through the internet is not secure and could be intercepted by a third party. For your protection, avoid sending identifying information, such as account, Social Security, or card numbers to us or others. Further, do not send time-sensitive, action-oriented messages, such as transaction orders, fund transfer instructions, or check stop payments, as it is our policy not to accept such items electronically. _______________________________________ CAUTION: electronic mail sent through the internet is not secure and could be intercepted by a third party. For your protection, avoid sending identifying information, such as account, Social Security, or card numbers to us or others. Further, do not send time-sensitive, action-oriented messages, such as transaction orders, fund transfer instructions, or check stop payments, as it is our policy not to accept such items electronically.

pls delete me from this mailing list. Matt Brown -----Original Message----- From: bazinaus@nmo.net [mailto:bazinaus@nmo.net] Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:25 PM To: MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MIMac] Re: Antoine Martin This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.1.1 Message Board Post: Just wanted to add here as per my miniscule knowledge of Ojibway/Chippewa language, that Susanne's last name, her native name, probably ends in "kwe". This means "woman" in the Ojibway language. My husband is decended from this couple, too, through Catherine Martin. Now I am confused about Antoine's parentage...are Philip Martin and Marie Felicite Carignan Antoine's parents or godparents??? _______________________________________ CAUTION: electronic mail sent through the internet is not secure and could be intercepted by a third party. For your protection, avoid sending identifying information, such as account, Social Security, or card numbers to us or others. Further, do not send time-sensitive, action-oriented messages, such as transaction orders, fund transfer instructions, or check stop payments, as it is our policy not to accept such items electronically.

I believe they are his parents but am not 100% sure. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Belanger,Boucha,Tebo,Dumas,Me-saw-tego or Santigo etc. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Kathy I have no idea.Like I wrote in a reply to Larry Martin yesterday I was making a query on be-half of a cousin of mine.You'll have to e-mail Larry Martin directly,cause he has researched Antoine Martin's family tree not I. Cherie Eck-Tebo

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.1.1 Message Board Post: Just wanted to add here as per my miniscule knowledge of Ojibway/Chippewa language, that Susanne's last name, her native name, probably ends in "kwe". This means "woman" in the Ojibway language. My husband is decended from this couple, too, through Catherine Martin. Now I am confused about Antoine's parentage...are Philip Martin and Marie Felicite Carignan Antoine's parents or godparents???

Hi Bonnie.. I know we have spoken before via email. Did you want me to see if I can find that cemetary? I can make a trip down there as its only about 35-45 miles from my house. My husband knows that area pretty well.. he deer hunts down there...i will drag him with me...since St. Onge is on his side of the family...lol... Kathleen Bazinau > I have some info on the St.Onges. I've looked thru the > cemeteries in St.Ignace already. Someone said there > were some buried up by Nunns Creek. I know where the > creek is on M 134 but don't know where the cemetery is > or if its accessable. >

They were in Holmes Twp. in 1860. PW Kirtland could have been married by a passing ship's captain, or anywhere between Connecticut and Michigan or Wisconsin. He must have sent for his wife from Connecticut. He was the light house keeper on S. Manitou Island, which was part of Mackinaw Co. at the time, and is now in Lelanau Co. They could have been married in a Protestant church too. Sue On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:16:11 EDT Trashound@aol.com writes: > I have Stella Obeshaw's compiled marriages that go to 1865 for > Mackinac > County and no Kirtlands appear that I can find. She transcribed > these from the > Mackinac Co. Courthouse. This includes catholic marriages as well as > JP > preformed marriages - sorry I could be of more help. Perhaps your > Kirtlands were > married in a Protestant church? Were your people listed as living > in Holmes Twp > on the 1860 or some other location in Mackinac County?? Thanks, > Terry > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Thanks for checking. Sue On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:06:46 -0400 "Stan Wickman" <swickman@twmi.rr.com> writes: > None of the names mentioned below appear in the index of the CD. > > Stan > swickman@twmi.rr.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <charsuewilson@juno.com> > To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 5:35 PM > Subject: [MIMac] KIRTLANDS ON CD from Ste Anne's? > > > > Would someone with the CD from Ste Anne's please check for > KIRTLANDs. > > > > The Kirtlands were on Mackinaw Island around 1860, and enumerated > there > > in the 1860 census. > > > > We're particularly interested in the marriage of Phillip Webster > Kirtland > > and Jerusha Elizabeth Jones in 1863-1864. > > > > The other Kirtlands known to have lived on Mackinaw Island were > > > > Capt. Charles Erastus KIRTLAND, b. 1827 m. ~1850 Emeline BECKWITH > > Nathan West KIRTLAND, b. 1824, m, 1872, Effie E. MCKINLEY > > George KIRTLAND, b. 1834, m. ~1874 Mary E. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Sue > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

I have Stella Obeshaw's compiled marriages that go to 1865 for Mackinac County and no Kirtlands appear that I can find. She transcribed these from the Mackinac Co. Courthouse. This includes catholic marriages as well as JP preformed marriages - sorry I could be of more help. Perhaps your Kirtlands were married in a Protestant church? Were your people listed as living in Holmes Twp on the 1860 or some other location in Mackinac County?? Thanks, Terry

None of the names mentioned below appear in the index of the CD. Stan swickman@twmi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <charsuewilson@juno.com> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: [MIMac] KIRTLANDS ON CD from Ste Anne's? > Would someone with the CD from Ste Anne's please check for KIRTLANDs. > > The Kirtlands were on Mackinaw Island around 1860, and enumerated there > in the 1860 census. > > We're particularly interested in the marriage of Phillip Webster Kirtland > and Jerusha Elizabeth Jones in 1863-1864. > > The other Kirtlands known to have lived on Mackinaw Island were > > Capt. Charles Erastus KIRTLAND, b. 1827 m. ~1850 Emeline BECKWITH > Nathan West KIRTLAND, b. 1824, m, 1872, Effie E. MCKINLEY > George KIRTLAND, b. 1834, m. ~1874 Mary E. > > Thanks in advance. > > Sue > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! >