This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HGB.2ACI/461.2.3.1 Message Board Post: Hi Laurie, Amable and Maria are my great-great grandparents. I do have alot of info.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/477.1 Message Board Post: This is what I have on the family, additions/cortrections appreciated, thanks, Jim. 1. Isaac COWN. He married Louise SAUVAGE. Children: 2. i George. 3. ii Pierre. Second Generation 2. George COWAN, occupation voyageur. Unsure of his parentage, res: WI. He married Marianne KI-NONCH-A-MUT. Marianne: Ottawa. Children: i Jean-Antoine COWAN, born c. 1770. ii Marie Anne COWAN, born c. 1785. iii Alexander COWAN, born c. 1794. iv Elizabeth COWAN, born c. 1796. 3. Pierre COWN/COWEN, Also known as COGNE/CAUNE/CANNE. Unsure children all by same mother. Aka CONSTANT. He married Therese PAPAMARSAOUEKOUE/PENATAQUA, 27 Aug 1828 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co. Therese: Aka PEMATAQUAI. Children: 4. i Marie-Anne b. 22 May 1815. ii Anne COWN, born 28 Jan 1820, baptized 6 Aug 1821 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co. Note birth date - can't be right or else by diff. mother. iii Amable COWN, born 6 Aug 1820, baptized 6 Aug 1821 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co. He married Madeleine BOURASSA, Also known as CANNE/CAUNE/COGNE, 8 Jul 1844 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, born c.1812/29/30 in MI, (daughter of Louis BOURASSA Sr. and Mary BOIS/CHICKANOGEKWE). iv Louise COWN, born Aug 1822, baptized Aug 1823 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co. 5. v Elizabeth b. 12 Feb 1823. 6. vi George. Third Generation 4. Marie-Anne COWN, born 22 May 1815, baptized 6 Aug 1821 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co. She married Joseph DUCHARME Jr., born 1810, (son of Joseph DUCHARME Sr. and Veronique _____) died 18 Apr 1885 in Allouez, WI, occupation mailman. Joseph: Of Green Bay, WI. Children: i Elisabeth DUCHARME, born 1837. She married Jean-Baptiste LEMERY. ii Joseph DUCHARME, born 1840, died young. iii Therese DUCHARME, born 1842. She married Mitchell MARTELL. iv Madeleine DUCHARME, born 1845. She married Amable BOURDON. v Gregoire DUCHARME, born 1847, died 1921. vi William DUCHARME, born 1849, died young. vii Charles DUCHARME, born 1856, died 1932. viii Joseph DUCHARME III, born 1863, died 1944. ix Rachel DUCHARME. x Mary Ann DUCHARME. She married _____ LEVIGN. 5. Elizabeth COWAN, born 12 Feb 1823, baptized Aug 1823 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., died 27 Jan 1882, buried in Prot. Cem., Mackinac Is., MI. Durant #2-20. Aka COUTANT. She married James LASLEY, 1839 in Muskegon, Muskegon Co., MI, born 29 Sept 1816 in Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, died 11 May 1893, buried in Prot. Cem., Mackinac Is., MI, occupation merchant/postmaster. James: Perhaps son of Sam? Parents are of VA/fa b. MD, mo b. VA. Children: i William Henry LASLEY, born c. 1841 in Mackinac, Mackinac Co., MI. Mo's surname listed as CONETANT. 7. ii Oliver b. c. 1842. iii Jane LASLEY, born c. 1844 in MI, died 10 Jun 1907 in Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, occupation seamstress. iv John LASLEY, born 1845 in Muskegon, Muskegon Co., MI, died 1917. Single. 8. v Madeleine b. 4 May 1847. vi William LASLEY, born 5 May 1849, died 3 Aug 1858, buried in Prot. Cem., Mackinac Is., MI. 9. vii Mathilda b. c. 1850. 10. viii Harriet S. b. Apr. 1852/5. ix Julian H. LASLEY, born c. 1853 in MI. x Agnes LASLEY, born c. 1854 in MI, died 13 Oct 1876 in Holmes Twp., Mackinac Co., MI. xi Kittie LASLEY, born 7 May 1857, died 7 Apr 1858, buried in Prot. Cem., Mackinac Is., MI. xii James LASLEY Jr., born c. 1860 in MI. xiii William Henry LASLEY, born 21 Jan 1862 in Mackinac, Mackinac Co., MI, baptized 2 Feb 1862 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co. xiv Frank LASLEY, born c. 1865 in MI. xv Marie-Louise LASLEY, born 5 Jun 1866 in Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, baptized 24 Jun 1866 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co. xvi Margaret LASLEY, born c. 1867 in MI. xvii _____ Marianne LASLEY. Unsure of parentage. 6. George COWAN, Also known as COUSTENT/CAUNE/CANNE. CAUNE in Ch rec. Of Brown Co., WI. He married (1) Amable BEAUBIEN, 27? Aug 1835 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., born 22 Jan 1814, (daughter of Charles BEAUBIEN and Theresa MAKAKENS) baptized in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co. Children: i Theresa COUSTONT, born 28 Jun 1836, baptized 1 Jul 1836 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co. He married (2) Sophie BIS-KOS-MON. Fourth Generation 7. Oliver LASLEY, born c. 1842 in MI. He married Mary _____. Mary: KS Pottawatomi. Children: i James LASLEY. 8. Madeleine LASLEY, born 4 May 1847 in Muskegon, Muskegon Co., MI, died 18 Mar 1891 in Carp Lake Twp., Emmet Co., MI. St Ignace News March 21, 1891 Mrs. James Davenport died Wednesday and was buried at Mackinac Island Thursday. A large number of children are thus left homeless-one a baby of only a few days. She married James DAVENPORT, 18 Apr 1870 in Mackinac, Mackinac Co., MI, married (religious) 13 May 1867 in Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, born Apr 1846/9 in Bois Blanc Is., Mackinac Co., MI, (son of Ambrose DAVENPORT Jr. and Susan DeCEREAUX) died 18 Mar 1932, occupation fisherman. Children: i Frederic DAVENPORT, born 20 Jan 1871 in Mackinac, Mackinac Co., MI, baptized 17 Jul 1871 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., occupation rope-walker. ii Harry DAVENPORT, born 1870/Jan 1872 in Mackinac, Mackinac Co., MI. iii Elizabeth/Lizzie DAVENPORT, born c. 1871/3 in Mackinac City, Cheboygan Co., MI. She married Elias BURROUGH(S), 4 Jan 1897, born 1871. iv Edith DAVENPORT, born Oct. 1873/5 in Mackinac City, Cheboygan Co., MI. v Joseph DAVENPORT, born c. 1875/7 in Mackinac City, Cheboygan Co., MI. vi Samuel DAVENPORT, born c. 1877. 11. vii Louise b. May 1880. viii Rachel Margaret DAVENPORT, born 9 Jan 1882 in Mackinac City, Cheboygan Co., MI, baptized 15 ___ 1882 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co. Mo's name given as Margaret. She married _____ DESY. ix James DAVENPORT, born 27 Jul 1885/7 in Mackinac City, Cheboygan Co., MI, died 18 Mar 1952. x Frank DAVENPORT, born c. 1886 in MI, died 1 Jan 1898 in Cheboygan Co., MI. xi Overton DAVENPORT, born 25 Apr 1890 in MI. He married Emma TUCKER. xii Grace DAVENPORT, born c. Mar 1891 in Carp Lake, Emmet Co., MI, died 22 Mar 1891 in Carp Lake, Emmet Co., MI. 9. Mathilda LASLEY, born c. 1850 in MI. She married Charles TOURTILLOTTE. Charles: Aka TOURTILOTTO (Durant.) Children: i Ruth TOURTILLOTTE. ii Harry TOURTILLOTTE, born c. 1884. Twin. iii Leah TOURTILLOTTE, born c. 1884. Twin. 10. Harriet S. LASLEY, born Apr. 1852/5 in Muskegon, Muskegon Co., MI, died 21 Jul 1924 in Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, buried in Ste. Ann's Cath. Cem., Mackinac Is., MI. Have obit - THE REPUBLICAN NEWS, Sat. Jul. 26, 1924, p.5. Aka "Hattie." She married Frank A. BOURASSA, 13 Jul 1883 in Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, born 15 Sept 1851 in Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, (son of Vital BOURASSA and Angeline/Angelique FOUNTAINE) baptized 1851 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., died 23/8/9 Jun 1930 in Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, buried in Ste. Ann's Cath. Cem., Mackinac Is., MI, occupation Lighthouse keeper. Children: i James V. BOURASSA/BOURISAW/BOURASSAW, born 20 May 1884 in Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, died 17 Oct 1952, buried in Ste. Ann's Cath. Cem., Mackinac Is., MI. ii Ruth E. BOURASSA/BOURISAW/BOUSASSAW, born 19 May 1887 in Holmes/Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, baptized 1887 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., died 18 Apr 1969, buried in Catholic Cem., Mackinac Is., MI. Aka Ruth Elizabeth. She married Lewis HAGE(R)MAN. iii Morton Frances BOURASSA/BOURISAW, born 4 Apr 1889 in Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, died 24 Jun 1969, buried in Ste. Ann's Cath. Cem., Mackinac Is., MI, occupation MI Pvt, Co.B, 27th InfWWI. iv Harry L. BOURASSA/BOURISAW/BOURASSAW, born 27 Jul/Aug 1893 in Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, died 23/5 Jun 1959, buried in Ste. Ann's Cath. Cem., Mackinac Is., MI, occupation MI Pfc, Qmc, WWI. Aka Henry. Fifth Generation 11. Louise DAVENPORT, born May 1880 in Mackinac City, Cheboygan Co., MI. Is this actually Elizabeth - in Durant name given as Lizzie b. c. 1871. She married Charles BURROUGHS. Children: i Ivah Louise BURROUGHS.

I found this entry in the Mackinac CD translation from the original French: "April 12, 1738, I, the undersigned, solemnly administered holy Baptism to joseph Laurent, legitimate son of Laurent du Charme and of Marguerite metivier, his father and mother, born yesterday evening. The godfather was Mr. Nicolas du fresne, trader; and the godmother Mde. Bourassa. M. L. Lefranc, Miss. of the society of Jesus. Marie Caterinne Lerige de Bourassa; Laurent Du Charme; Nicola Dufresney." Of the COWENs (note the variant spelling), the index of baptisms lists these individuals: Alexandre, Amable, Anne, Elizabeth, George, Jean Antoine, Marianne Kinanchamut, Marianne (Nancy), and Marie Anne. Of the Du CHARMEs, I found Joseph Laurent, Laurent, Louis, Marguerite Metivier, Marie Margarite, and Pierre Augustin. Hope this helps. Stan swickman@twmi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <statmk@new.rr.com> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: [MIMac] Pierre Cowan > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/477 > > Message Board Post: > > Looking for information on Pierre Cowan. He had an Ottawa wife. His daughter, Marie Coustante, was baptised on Mackinac Island May 22, 1815. She later married Joseph Ducharme and settled in Green Bay. >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/477 Message Board Post: Looking for information on Pierre Cowan. He had an Ottawa wife. His daughter, Marie Coustante, was baptised on Mackinac Island May 22, 1815. She later married Joseph Ducharme and settled in Green Bay.

FROM PRDH ..Parents and siblings etc for a couple that marred in Michilamackinac. of PIERRE RENAUD LOCAS Death : 1713-01-25 Burial : 1713-01-26 Grondines Father : JEAN RENAUD Mother : MARIE LAURENCE Couple and MARIE FRANCOISE DESPORTES Death : 1736-04-12 Burial : 1736-04-13 Grondines Father : JEAN DESPORTES Mother : ISABELLE DEGIBRUSE Couple Marriage: 1669-11-05 Lieu indéterminé (au Québec) Children married before 1800 : e First name of the child Place of miage Name of the spouse m 1711-09-15 PIERRE QUÉBEC [Couple] MARIE ELISABETH ISABELLE LAMBERT CHAMPAGNE f 1694-05-02 MARIE FRANCOISE GRONDINES [Couple] JEAN FRANCOIS JOBIN BOISVERT f Before 1702-06-11 MARGUERITE LIEU INDÉTERMINÉ (AU QUÉBEC) [Couple] RAYMOND CHESNE LAGRAVE f 1703-06-14 MARIE CHÂTEAU-RICHER [Couple] JEAN BAPTISTE MALBOEUF BEAUSOLEIL f 1699-09-08 MARIE ANNE MONTRÉAL [Couple] FRANCOIS RIQUET LAVERDURE f 1700-10-18 MARIE ANTOINE L'ANGE-GARDIEN [Couple] JEAN RICHARD m 1711-11-26 LOUIS BOUCHERVILLE [Couple] MARIE ANGELIQUE DEMERS DUMAIS f 1706-10-18 MARIE LOUISE CHÂTEAU-RICHER [Couple] CLAUDE JODOIN m 1724-01-13 JACQUES GRONDINES [Couple] MARIE MADELEINE GIPOULOU LAFLEUR m 1715-05-02 FRANCOIS ST-FRANÇOIS-DE-SALES (ÎLE-JÉSUS) [Couple] MARIE THERESE GAREAU STONGE f 1727-01-07 MARIE JEANNE TERREBONNE [Couple] CHARLES BIRON f 1715-01-07 MARIE MADELEINE ST-FRANÇOIS-DE-SALES (ÎLE-JÉSUS) [Couple] PIERRE GAREAU STONGE m 1739-07-21 PIERRE MICHILIMACKINAC [Couple] MARIE JOSEPHE CHEVALIER © PRDH www.genealogy.umontreal.ca __________________________________________________ Pierre Renaud Locas that married in Michilmackinac family: Appears they had thier children in Quebec Source: http://www.genealogie.umontreal.ca/en/member/Famille.asp?21322 Family [Couple] of PIERRE RENAUD LOCAS Father : PIERRE RENAUD LOCAS Mother : MARIE FRANCOISE DESPORTES <A HREF="http://www.genealogie.umontrFamily and MARIE JOSEPHE CHEVALIER Father : JEAN BAPTISTE CHEVALIER Mother : MARIE FRANCOISE ALAVOINE Family Marriage: 1739-07-21 Michilimackinac Chidren born before 1766 : Sex Birth Marriage m 1740-07-07 PIERRE RENE LAPRAIRIE f 1742-09-21 1742-11-03 MARIE JOSEPHE LAPRAIRIE LAPRAIRIE m 1744-02-17 1744-02-22 FRANCOIS TERREBONNE TERREBONNE m 1744-02-17 1744-02-22 CHARLES TERREBONNE TERREBONNE © PRDH Hope this helps someone! Any Questions? ask! Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore kingsley@aol.com

thank you, stan for that info, i just may do that. joan Searching--Boyer== Bourassa== Belmer== Campau== . Calkins== Caron== Cicotte== Curran== Chevalier== . Hunt== Harris== Jourdain== Labadie== Lacelle== . Little == Laclere== Leblanc== Lynch== Moore== Mahoney== . Norris== OuaOuaBouigne== Reaume== Reece== Stafford== Tardiff== Walker== Withee==.

To Joan Winner, In my copy of the Mackinac Register CD, the baptism index has listings for numerous Bourassas. There are also listings for Campau, Caron, Chevalier, Hunt, Jourdain, and Leblanc. There may be more, but my machine locked up before I could search further. If you would like a CD, you may be able to purchase one by writing to Ste. Anne's Church, P.O. Box 537, Mackinac Island, MI 49757. Stan swickman@twmi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Winner" <jebeau62@webtv.net> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [MIMac] Unidentified subject! > thanks james,i will give her a call, on my grandparent. > > Searching--Boyer== Bourassa== Belmer== Campau== . Calkins== Caron== > Cicotte== Curran== Chevalier== . Hunt== Harris== Jourdain== > Labadie== Lacelle== . Little == Laclere== Leblanc== Lynch== Moore== > Mahoney== . Norris== OuaOuaBouigne== Reaume== Reece== Stafford== > Tardiff== Walker== Withee==. >

thanks james,i will give her a call, on my grandparent. Searching--Boyer== Bourassa== Belmer== Campau== . Calkins== Caron== Cicotte== Curran== Chevalier== . Hunt== Harris== Jourdain== Labadie== Lacelle== . Little == Laclere== Leblanc== Lynch== Moore== Mahoney== . Norris== OuaOuaBouigne== Reaume== Reece== Stafford== Tardiff== Walker== Withee==.

The following is taken from: http://www.leveillee.net/ancestry/mariem.htm The symbol "8" in words of the Algonquian language stands for the sound "ou" after a consonant and "w" before a vowel. During the 17th-18th centuries, there were no "ou" or "w" sounds in the French language. Therefore, the Jesuits used the symbol "8" to represent these sounds. The symbol "8" in a word will indicate that it is of the Algonquian language, spoken by many tribes along the east of North America, one of which was the Algonkin or Algonquin. "1. The sound represented by /8/ is heard in Iroquoian and Algonkian languages. However, the languages of the Huron-Wendat-Outaouais and of the Haudenausonee (the peoples of the long houses), called «Iroquois» by the French, are both Iroquoian tongues. I mispoke, when I referred to Huron as an Algonkian language. 2. The sound represented by /8/ is used to transcribe the phoneme [ou] a vowel sound, and the phoneme [w], a consonant sound. 3. The vowel sound [ou] which is not a diphthong, but a simple vowel, is found in both French and English. The consonant [w] is found in English, but not in French. The difference can be seen clearly in the English and French transcriptions of the other two names of the Hurons: Wendat is clearly an English transcription; Outaouais, just as clearly French (in English, it is, of course, Ottawa). 4. It has been suggested that the /8/ should be transcribed as a consonant [w] before a vowel, and as a vowel [ou] before a consonant. For instance, the name Marie Mite8ameg8k8e, would be transcribed as Mitewamegoukwe." Fr. Owen Taggart, Message in Quebec-Research@rootsweb.com, 9 July 2002. By the way, the Marie mentioned above is my ancestress. It should also be mentioned that one of the reasons given for the use of the "8" symbol is that eight in French has the sound that the symbol "8" represents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Farmer" <jsfrmr@hotmail.com> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [MIMac] Unidentified subject! > Regarding "8a8ab8k8e": what do the eights denote? I've seen them used in > other places, but I've never seen an explanation. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James P. LaLone" <jplalone@prodigy.net> > To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [MIMac] Unidentified subject! > > > > The oua can be pronounced wa or wah or wau (could she be related to > Barbara > > Wawa!!:) [sorry, I couldn't resist] > > > > One of the Chatfields from Mt. Pleasant had the name Wa-Wa-Sum which > > translates to something about Lightening (but you have to have "was" in it > > per my dictionary, this seems to denote something to do with light.). As > I > > said I do not speak the language. There is an instructor at Central > > Michigan University by the name of Helen Roy, perhaps she can help you. > > > > Do not know about the "boui" or "gou", sorry. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joan Winner" <jebeau62@webtv.net> > > To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:38 PM > > Subject: [MIMac] Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > ok james, maybe you can give me some HELP, here, i have a grandparent > > > with the name Symphorose ouaouabouigne, or ouaouagoukoue 8a8ab8k8e, what > > > does this say? been trying for years on this one. > > > > > > Searching--Boyer== Bourassa== Belmer== Campau== . Calkins== Caron== > > > Cicotte== Curran== Chevalier== . Hunt== Harris== Jourdain== > > > Labadie== Lacelle== . Little == Laclere== Leblanc== Lynch== Moore== > > > Mahoney== . Norris== OuaOuaBouigne== Reaume== Reece== Stafford== > > > Tardiff== Walker== Withee==. > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Jeff - this is a very old form of spelling that the priests used, 17th, 18th and very early 19th C. documents. We had this discussion some time ago on the Nishnawbe site, but in a nutshell - in French, 8 is huit. Roughly sounds like the English word "wheat" only with a brief, almost whistled "ou" or "oo" as in coo, on the front end. Now there's even been great discussion about how to pronounce the number in French - for the record - that's how I was taught to pronounce it, others may say differently. Anyway, the priests did not have letters for the sound they heard so they used the number 8. Most people agree that the sound is a "wa" sound but, again, others may say differently. You see it frequently on the end of a woman's name so k8e is, at least in my opinion, pronounced "coo-way," accent on the last syllable. You will see that word spelled many different ways, including koue and kwe. So, best I can tell you is you may wish to visit the Nishnawbe Archives and look under, I think, 2003 for the discussion. Hope that made sense! Terry

Regarding "8a8ab8k8e": what do the eights denote? I've seen them used in other places, but I've never seen an explanation. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "James P. LaLone" <jplalone@prodigy.net> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [MIMac] Unidentified subject! > The oua can be pronounced wa or wah or wau (could she be related to Barbara > Wawa!!:) [sorry, I couldn't resist] > > One of the Chatfields from Mt. Pleasant had the name Wa-Wa-Sum which > translates to something about Lightening (but you have to have "was" in it > per my dictionary, this seems to denote something to do with light.). As I > said I do not speak the language. There is an instructor at Central > Michigan University by the name of Helen Roy, perhaps she can help you. > > Do not know about the "boui" or "gou", sorry. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Winner" <jebeau62@webtv.net> > To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:38 PM > Subject: [MIMac] Unidentified subject! > > > > ok james, maybe you can give me some HELP, here, i have a grandparent > > with the name Symphorose ouaouabouigne, or ouaouagoukoue 8a8ab8k8e, what > > does this say? been trying for years on this one. > > > > Searching--Boyer== Bourassa== Belmer== Campau== . Calkins== Caron== > > Cicotte== Curran== Chevalier== . Hunt== Harris== Jourdain== > > Labadie== Lacelle== . Little == Laclere== Leblanc== Lynch== Moore== > > Mahoney== . Norris== OuaOuaBouigne== Reaume== Reece== Stafford== > > Tardiff== Walker== Withee==. > > > > > > >

The oua can be pronounced wa or wah or wau (could she be related to Barbara Wawa!!:) [sorry, I couldn't resist] One of the Chatfields from Mt. Pleasant had the name Wa-Wa-Sum which translates to something about Lightening (but you have to have "was" in it per my dictionary, this seems to denote something to do with light.). As I said I do not speak the language. There is an instructor at Central Michigan University by the name of Helen Roy, perhaps she can help you. Do not know about the "boui" or "gou", sorry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Winner" <jebeau62@webtv.net> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: [MIMac] Unidentified subject! > ok james, maybe you can give me some HELP, here, i have a grandparent > with the name Symphorose ouaouabouigne, or ouaouagoukoue 8a8ab8k8e, what > does this say? been trying for years on this one. > > Searching--Boyer== Bourassa== Belmer== Campau== . Calkins== Caron== > Cicotte== Curran== Chevalier== . Hunt== Harris== Jourdain== > Labadie== Lacelle== . Little == Laclere== Leblanc== Lynch== Moore== > Mahoney== . Norris== OuaOuaBouigne== Reaume== Reece== Stafford== > Tardiff== Walker== Withee==. > >

ok james, maybe you can give me some HELP, here, i have a grandparent with the name Symphorose ouaouabouigne, or ouaouagoukoue 8a8ab8k8e, what does this say? been trying for years on this one. Searching--Boyer== Bourassa== Belmer== Campau== . Calkins== Caron== Cicotte== Curran== Chevalier== . Hunt== Harris== Jourdain== Labadie== Lacelle== . Little == Laclere== Leblanc== Lynch== Moore== Mahoney== . Norris== OuaOuaBouigne== Reaume== Reece== Stafford== Tardiff== Walker== Withee==.

Please read the letter you received when you subscribed. I believe it says that you must address an email to mimackin-l-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the message portion. No other text should be included. Stan swickman@twmi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gernot Doetsch" <gdoetsch1@comcast.net> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [MIMac] att i need your help please,also see pictures > > > Please remove my name/e-mail address from your distribution. Thank you. >

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Assuming that your father is dead, you can request his birth certificate based on the information in his social security application. If that comes back with nothing, you can try going to the jurisdiction where he claimed he was born and ask if you can look through the birth records to see if he's listed there under a different surname. You didn't say what year your dad was born in. Depending on when he was born, you can try the census. 1930 has an everyname index on ancestry.com. Sue On 22 Jun 2004 17:22:59 -0600 pspsclady@homexpressway.net writes: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HGB.2ACI/476 > > Message Board Post: > > hi, > > i have a long story and will try to make it short. my dad left > home in his teens and never talked to his parents again. > what i know is dad was traviling with the fair when he meet > my mom. > mom would try to get dad to tell her so his family would know about > me and my brother,but there was a blow up everytime > all my mom knows is the names > my dads parents names are > william or carl hodge and mary( brown) hodge this is on dads ss > card living in detroit mich. > but ss card was issued in fla around 1956. > dad has 2 sisters that are twins,all i know is nickname > babe and baby there my have been a older sister name dorothy > but i have no picture of her. on dad ss card has dad born in > philly pa. > my dads name is frank carl hodge.(but dad used to joke about being > hodges for dodges a car lot in detroit) > may be dad changed his last name i just dont know. > but on mom and dads marriage lisence it has dads parents name as > bill and irma hodgr,from detroit ,mich. > i remember dad talking about st clair shores ,mich also. > as you see i have nothing to go on but the 2 pictures i > have one of dads paernts and one of the twins,my dad died and > i have been looking for his family since . > dad left no paper trail everything was in mom name,so my dad was > hiding something,one story mom told me is > when dad was in his teens ,my did di something to were his father > was going to turn him into the police and they got in a fight > and was kicked out of his parents. > my dad was a very good painter and dad did a old painting of me > sitting down and it was woods or a steam aroun me.mom doesnt have > this picture,so i think dad my have gave this picture to some one. > i stoped looking about 3 years ago and now trying again ,im > asking any one if they could please help me . > mom and daD WERE MARRIED IN > lincolnton ,north carolina in1956 may 17th > dad was a sea wall bluder in fla around when dad got his > ss number because of taxes and that was the last time dad worked > taking out taxes dad ran night clubs here in chas,sc and traveled > with the fair tell his health got him > thank you so much > is there a way to put this puzzle together?? > linda hodge davis > emails linda_davis_29461@yahoo.com > pspsclady@homexpressway.net > psp i can email anyone with the pictures of my grandparents ect > on my mom and dads marriage cert > ap. > it has dads parents name as bill and irma hodge but on ss > cardap it has them as carl hodge and mary brown hodge > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

"Kwe" or "que" at the ending of a name usually indicates it is a woman, it is a feminine ending (Spanish and French have feminine and masculine endings to words, for example: Joseph is masculine in French while the feminine would be Josephe or Josephte or Josette or Josephine or they could use Marie-Joseph [the French are a confusing bunch], another example is Rene (with appropriate accents) is masculine and Renee is feminine, still another is Michel (male) and Michelle (female), however (always exceptions to the rule) Amable can be either, only when it is Marie-Amable do you have a good idea that it is a woman. At the ending of a name (kwe, que, qua, quah, quay) can roughly be translated as "woman". For example: Susan OSHAWGUSCODAYWAYQUA's (wife of John JOHNSTON) name is rendered "Woman of the Green Glade". Her daughter Eliza JOHNSTON aka Wah-bu-nung-o-qua is called "Woman of the Morning Star". Another daughter Charlotte aka Oge-bu-no-qua is called "Woman of the Wild Rose" Se-be-quay is given as "River Woman". Of course since I do not speak Ojibwa or Odawa or Potawatomi I cannot say for certain that these are indeed correct translations of the name, but that is how they are given in various sources. What is confusing is Miami (who belong to the same language family) names where both men & women's names end in quay or quah. Hopes this helps some. PS. there are some men's names which appear like they may be women's names but I do not know if it is because someone transcribed them wrong or what, a Native speaker may be able to provide that answer. Jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Bazinau" <bazinaus@nmo.net> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [MIMac] Re: Antoine Martin > Yes, but I believe in a womans native name it comes in as kwe (at the end of > the name) or a variation of that...I know a couple of people who speak > Ojibway and have native names given to them by their clans. The three woman > I know have "kwe" at the end of their native name and two of them told me > that it meant "woman". I just didn't have the time to verify before I > posted the last message, hence the statement that I had very limited > knowledge of my own about the language. When I have a few moments, I will > call/email one of the the ladies to verifty cuz now I want to know for > sure...ya got me doubtin' myself now :o). > > Kathleen Bazinau > > >

Yes, but I believe in a womans native name it comes in as kwe (at the end of the name) or a variation of that...I know a couple of people who speak Ojibway and have native names given to them by their clans. The three woman I know have "kwe" at the end of their native name and two of them told me that it meant "woman". I just didn't have the time to verify before I posted the last message, hence the statement that I had very limited knowledge of my own about the language. When I have a few moments, I will call/email one of the the ladies to verifty cuz now I want to know for sure...ya got me doubtin' myself now :o). Kathleen Bazinau

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HGB.2ACI/476 Message Board Post: hi, i have a long story and will try to make it short. my dad left home in his teens and never talked to his parents again. what i know is dad was traviling with the fair when he meet my mom. mom would try to get dad to tell her so his family would know about me and my brother,but there was a blow up everytime all my mom knows is the names my dads parents names are william or carl hodge and mary( brown) hodge this is on dads ss card living in detroit mich. but ss card was issued in fla around 1956. dad has 2 sisters that are twins,all i know is nickname babe and baby there my have been a older sister name dorothy but i have no picture of her. on dad ss card has dad born in philly pa. my dads name is frank carl hodge.(but dad used to joke about being hodges for dodges a car lot in detroit) may be dad changed his last name i just dont know. but on mom and dads marriage lisence it has dads parents name as bill and irma hodgr,from detroit ,mich. i remember dad talking about st clair shores ,mich also. as you see i have nothing to go on but the 2 pictures i have one of dads paernts and one of the twins,my dad died and i have been looking for his family since . dad left no paper trail everything was in mom name,so my dad was hiding something,one story mom told me is when dad was in his teens ,my did di something to were his father was going to turn him into the police and they got in a fight and was kicked out of his parents. my dad was a very good painter and dad did a old painting of me sitting down and it was woods or a steam aroun me.mom doesnt have this picture,so i think dad my have gave this picture to some one. i stoped looking about 3 years ago and now trying again ,im asking any one if they could please help me . mom and daD WERE MARRIED IN lincolnton ,north carolina in1956 may 17th dad was a sea wall bluder in fla around when dad got his ss number because of taxes and that was the last time dad worked taking out taxes dad ran night clubs here in chas,sc and traveled with the fair tell his health got him thank you so much is there a way to put this puzzle together?? linda hodge davis emails linda_davis_29461@yahoo.com pspsclady@homexpressway.net psp i can email anyone with the pictures of my grandparents ect on my mom and dads marriage cert ap. it has dads parents name as bill and irma hodge but on ss cardap it has them as carl hodge and mary brown hodge

My branch of Joly/Jolie is with Archange Joly, daughter of Joseph Joly Delbec and Marie-Angelique Goulet, married to Thomas Geoffroy, son of Jean-Francois Geoffroy and Marie-Amable LaPorte. Joseph's father was Joseph Joly Delbec. Thats all I have. I am descended from Archange and Thomas's son Joseph and they settled down in Huron County, MI. Haven't did much research into the Joly part yet. This is on my mother's side. Bonnie St.Onge __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail