This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Carol: Elizabeth Belanger and Samuel LaBlanc were my great-grandparents and Eugene LaBlanc and Agnes Amelia Brown were my granparents.My parents were Francis Clarence Tebo and Rita Cecila Whie/LaBlanc.But I recently found a baptismal for my father and it shows his real name at his birth was Francis Nolan Dumas.He was adopted by a Peter Tebo. I also found out from the tribal specialist that Elizabeth was really only a quarter blood and not full blooded like the 1870 and 1908 annunity paylists state.Since the BIA never counted her father Louis Belanger and her mother was only concidered half that would only make Elizabeth a quarter blood. I'm not concerned about that anyhow,cause I have no intention of joining a tribe anyhow. My sole reason for locating my ancestors was because my father died when I was nine and I never learened anything about my mothers family either.I don't do look-ups anymore,cause I got burn out.It was just to much to digest. So I've been throwing out what I don't need or doesn't apply to my family and put it all away.I just got tired of looking at it. The query you probably saw about Antoine Martin was someting I was trying to find for another cousin and nothing of my own.I've been thinking about teaching classes on how to do family history.I haven't quite made up my mind on that one as yet. You can e-mail me direct if you wish. there's some things I don't like to put on these message boards,cause I really don't think it's other peoples business. Hope to hear from you again.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LeBlanc, Belanger, Lalonde, Lapeer, Leduc, Etc Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Cheri, I don't know if I ever wrote to you. Sameul Leblance and Elizabeth Belanger are also my g. great grandparents. My g. grandfather was William White/Leblanc and Mabelle White was my grandmother. I hold an Indian card because of Elizabeth. Where do you tie in. Who are your parents and grandparents?

Hi, Why dont you check in: Before The Bridge booklet put out in St, Ignace. I just might have some informatiom for you. Kent Hamel ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn & John Aziz <azimon@rogers.com> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 7:27 PM Subject: [MIMac] Taylor > I am looking for Thomas A Taylor born 1869 in St. Ignace and died in 1932 in St Ignace. I know he married Aggie McCalmon (b. in Canada) in St Ignace in 1890 she died in 1896 but there were 3 children. I believe female b. 1891, male born 1892 and Herbert Lyle Taylor in 1894. I believe Thomas then married Ida ? when I don't know. Would appreciate if SKS could fill in some of my blanks on the children and his second wife. > > Any help much appreciated. > > Lynn > >

I am looking for Thomas A Taylor born 1869 in St. Ignace and died in 1932 in St Ignace. I know he married Aggie McCalmon (b. in Canada) in St Ignace in 1890 she died in 1896 but there were 3 children. I believe female b. 1891, male born 1892 and Herbert Lyle Taylor in 1894. I believe Thomas then married Ida ? when I don't know. Would appreciate if SKS could fill in some of my blanks on the children and his second wife. Any help much appreciated. Lynn

Hello listers - I feel that I should comment on Cherie's statement about the Mackinac Band. I met with the staffer there and found her to be unfamiliar with the original 1836 Half Breed Census. Since the band is basing their enrollment on Mackinac members listed, I was surprised at her lack of knowledge about the original document. The staff must have access to other versions of the census that is easier on 21 C. readers. I did not intend to impugn anyone's abilities or skills in the tribal office. Thanks! Terry Weller

Hi all - was just wondering if anyone in Mackinac County knows how to get cemetery records from the Newton Township Cemetery or what church to write to for more information. I'm having trouble locating the name of the Catholic church in the area that would have served the community from 1890 to 1900. Can anyone help? Thanks, Terry

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: To many to mention Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Jim: Thank you so much for your reply.When you're dealing with our government offiicals nothing makes sense anymore. My main purpose for collecting information on ancestory has nothing to do with gaining entry into a tribe.Besides I don't need a indian card to tell who and what I am.I'm just me.After the bad experience I had serving on the board with the Mackinac Band in Hessel ,which by the the way is run by the John Causely clan I don't think I want to ever be a member of any tribe anyhow..Terry Weller told me in one of her e-mails that she wasn't to impressed with the enrollment clerk in the Mackinac Band when she went with a friend of hers to the tribes office. My only and soul reason for locating my ancestors is because my father died ten days after my nineth birthday so I wasn't able to learn about his Indian ancestory.My mother didn't talk to much about hers either.I had originally been helping a family member locate information on some of our ancestors and figured I may as well continue the ride since I was so much involved anyhow.As you well know trying to help someone find their ancestory can be very challenging and frustrating at times. People email me quite often asking me to help them find their families.I explain to them that I'm not a researcher.Some provide just bits of pieces of information that I possibily couldn't help them if I wanted to.Some people don't seem to realize that there's lots and lots of people who can share the same common first and last names and such.I've found that to be the case researching my own line where records will show familiy members having the same first name or else the same month and day of birth.It's a common thing. As an example in my situation.I found two Samuel LaBlanc's in the Cheboygan County death records.Not knowing which was which even though I had the year ,month and date of death for both of them I contacted a cousin who told me that one of them was the grandfather and the other one was the grandson. Thanks Again. Cherie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.2.2.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Cheri, You had to ask a difficult question which in some ways I cannot answer. If someone asked me to help them to help find their Native ancestry for enrollment in a tribe I tell them I cannot help them. Believe it or not it is a different type of genealogy. You have to be aware of several things: the tribes are separate countries and can make their own laws and therefore can say who is Indian and who is not. Membership in a tribe is based on their base rolls so they can say everyone listed in the 1870 annuity is considered fullblood, even if this is not the actual case. This is especially important where membership is based on blood quantum as opposed to lineal descent. The BIA goes along with these definitions. This is one reason you will find different records showing different blood quantum for the same person. When presenting your material to whoever (the tribe or BIA) you want to present your findings in the most positive light (ie. with the most Native blood). If you show an ancestor with more non-native blood then what has been generally accepted then you can reduce the blood quantum of a whole bunch of other members. This affects funding by the BIA which maintains the tribe has to have a certain percentage of qu! arterbloods. Is any of this making sense? The BIA and tribe do not necessarily base blood quantum on one document. Your Elizabeth BELANGER being listed as fullblood in the 1908 census may be a case of interpretation for that particular document, I do not know, you would have to research the history of the document. Elizabeth’s father is French-Canadian and her mother is only one half Native so technically Elizabeth is only one quarter Native. That is probably what the tribal specialist meant that Louis is not counted. Anyway this aspect of Native genealogy is not necessarily straight forward (too political for me) so I have nothing to do with it and tell people to get a professional to deal with membership applications. These people are part of the Soo (& Mackinac) Tribe and they are a lineal descent tribe. I understand they will be opening membership rolls next year, so you could possibly get in without having to have a blood quantum, however that does affect some benefits you would receive, I believe. Sorry I can't be of more help. Jim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Tebo,Belanger,Pond,Boucha,LeBlanc/LABlanc Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.2.2.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Jim: I'm very confused about something I was told by a tribal specialist at the Sault Saint Marie,Mi. Bureau of Indian Affairs.I found a copy of a Ottawas and Chippewas Census of August 1,1908 at the Mackinac City Public Library and it showed my great-grandmother Mrs. Samuel LaBlanc/LeBlanc( Elizabeth Belanger) as being full blooded Indian. The tribal specialist told me that the government didn't count her father Louis Belanger.How could someone be considered full blooded if our government only uses blood quantum from only one parent.This just doesn't make sense.That would be like someone claiming to have a full glass of liquid when the glass was only half full.I was told by Gary Miller when I first met him that he found alot of corruption/mistakes on the Indian Rolls.Would you clear up any confusion on my part? Thank You. Cherie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.2.2.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Cheri, you will get all responses to queries since yours was the original query. It is the way the system is set up, go to the webpage for Mackinac where all the queries show - you will see that I was responding to Chelle's query.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Goudreau Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HGB.2ACI/461.2.3.1.2 Message Board Post: Hi, I would love to have the info that you have on Amable and Maria. I kind of deadended on the latter. Thanks \ lspencer@portup.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Goudreau Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/461.2.3.1.1 Message Board Post: Great, can you send me what you have? I can open up most formats. Thanks, Aaron

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.2.2.2.1 Message Board Post: you are going to have to email Chelle directly,cause I have no knowledge of the people that she's inquiring about.For some unknown reason I keep getting responses met for someone else. Like I relaid to Ms Chelle I only put in a query about Antoine Martin,because I was trying to do a cousin a favor. Thank You Cherie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.2.2.2 Message Board Post: I would need more info on Charles (age, spouse, children, location) Below is what I have on Louis: 1. Louis ST-ANDRE Sr.. He married unknown. Children: 2. i Louis b. c. 1818. Second Generation 2. Louis ST-ANDRE, born c. 1818 in CAN. Louis 2m Sophia LaVAKE (is this her maiden or married name?) Is this the Louis d. 1 Nov 1906 @ 81, b. MI s/o John? He married Rosalie TRUCKEY, 27 Dec 1852/8 in St. Ignace, Mackinac Co., MI, born c. 1833/4 in MI, (daughter of Francis TROTIER and Catherine MARTIN). Children: 3. i Rosalie b. c. 1852/60. ii Catherine ST-ANDRE, born c. 1855/70 in St. Ignace, Mackinac Co., MI, died 14 Dec 1916 in Moran, Mackinac Co., MI. MR states as his 2nd. Catherine's parents also given as Peter ST-ANDRE & Theresa CHARBONNEAU (Mack. Fam.). Mack. Fam. also lists Louis & Rosalie. She married Charles LAVAKE, 26 Jan 1892 in St. Ignace, Mackinac Co., MI, born 15 Feb 1845 in MI, (see note 1) (son of John Isaac LAVAKE and Susanne AIABENS) baptized 10 Sept 1845 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., died 31 Aug 1931 in Hendricks Twp., Mackinac Co., MI, occupation fisherman. Charles: Durant 30-15. iii Louis ST. ANDRE Jr., born c. 1862 in MI. 4. iv Augustus b. c. 1864. 5. v Christine b. c.1866. Third Generation 3. Rosalie ST. ANDRE, born c. 1852/60 in MI, died 26 Dec 1888, buried in Gros Cap Cem., Mackinac Co., MI. She married Augustus LaJOICE/LEJOICE, 2 May 1876, born c. 1843 in CAN/MI, (son of Louis BARIL(LE)-LAJOICE/LASHAWAY and Mary LAVAKE/LEVESQUE) died Dec 1928, occupation fisherman. Augustus: Gros Cap Cem. states b. 1852, s/o James a cour-de-bois for the Hudson Bay Co. Children: i Henry LaJOICE, born 30 May 1877 in St. Ignace, Mackinac Co., MI, died 22 Dec 1885, buried in Gros Cap Cem., Mackinac Co., MI. ii Lucy LaJOICE, born c. 1878, died 23 Dec 1885, buried in Gros Cap Cem., Mackinac Co., MI. Is this Teresa bp. 1879? iii Armina LaJOICE, born 7 Feb 1881 in Moran, Mackinac Co., MI. iv Isaac LaJOICE, born 12 Feb 1884 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI. He married Felicia MARLEY, (daughter of Joseph MARLEY and Mary PAQUIN). v Emily/Emma LaJOICE, born 12 Sept 1888 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI. She married John MOORE. 4. Augustus ST. ANDRE, born c. 1864 in Gros Cap, Mackinac Co., MI. He married Ida MAY, born c. 1865 in St. Helena Is., MI, (daughter of Eli MAY and Mary Ann McDONALD) died 14 Mar 1911 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI. Children: i Gertrude ST. ANDRE, born c. 1886 in MI, died 19 Aug 1905 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI. ii Florence ST. ANDRE, born 26 Jul 1887 in Gros Cap, Mackinac Co., MI, died 8 Apr 1917 in Mackinac Co., MI. She married John Batis LAVAKE Jr., 16 Nov 1903 in St. Ignace, Mackinac Co., MI, born 1880 in Gros Cap, Mackinac Co., MI, (son of John Baptiste LAVAKE and Mary Isabella LaJOICE/LEJOICE) died Jan 1940, occupation laborer. iii Augustus ST. ANDRE Jr., born c. 1891 in MI, died 8 Jan 1916 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI. iv Charles ST. ANDRE, born c. 1898 in MI, died 22 Sept 1898 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI. v _____ ST. ANDRE, born 27 Sept 1905 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI, died 27 Sept 1905 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI. vi Lillian ST. ANDRE. She married _____ MORTENSEN. vii Victoria ST. ANDRE. 5. Christine ST-ANDRE/ANDREW, born c.1866 in St. Ignace, Mackinac Co., MI. A Christine BOURASSA had illegitimate son Charles BOURASSA, b. Nov 1903 Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI. She married George V. BOURASSA/BOURISA, 16 Dec 1885 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI, born 1850 in Mackinac Co., MI, (son of Louis BOURASSA/BOURISA Jr. and Angelique O-MAJKASA/AMAJAKISA/CAMACHKOSS) baptized 3 ___ 1850 in Ste-Anne's, Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., died 26 Sept 1901 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI, buried in Gros Cap Cem., Mackinac Co., MI. George: D. also listed as 19 Oct 1900. (gs). Children: i Mary BOURASSA, born c.1885/7 in Gros Cap, Mackinac Co., MI. Supposedly 16 children. She married Louis PAQUIN, 3 Nov 1906 in St. Ignace, Mackinac Co., MI, born 8 Sept 1874 in St. Ignace, Mackinac Co., MI, (son of Antoine PAQUIN and Susan LAVAKE). ii Theresa BOURASSA, born c.1886 in Mackinac Co., MI. iii George BOURASSA/BOURISA Jr., born 12 May 1888 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI, died 11 Jun 1926 in St. Ignace, Mackinac Co., MI, buried in Gros Cap Cem., Mackinac Co., MI, occupation fisherman. iv John BOURASSA/BOURISAW. v Lucy Jane BOURASSA, born 20 Dec 1889 in Gros Cap, Mackinac Co., MI, died 13 Apr 1966 in St. Ignace, Mackinac Co., MI, buried in Gros Cap Cem., Mackinac Co., MI. She married Jasper ST-LOUIS, 29 Oct 1905 in St. Ignace, Mackinac Co., MI, born 4 Oct 1884 in St. Helen IS./Gros Cap, MI, (son of John Harvey ST-LOUIS and Julia BEZEAU) died 13 Apr 1956 in St. Ignace, Mackinac Co., MI, buried in Gros Cap Cem., Mackinac Co., MI, occupation fisherman. vi Garrett Alfred/T. BOURASSA, born 27 Apr 1891 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI, died 1918 in France/WWI. vii Henry Vital BOURASSA, born c.1893 in Mackinac Co., MI. viii Thomas BOURASSA, born 2 Aug 1894 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI. ix Isaac V. BOURASSA, born 14 Sept 1896 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI, died 1918 in France/WWI. x Edmund T. BOURASSA, born c.1896 in Mackinac Co., MI, died 1953. xi Levi BOURASSA, born c.1897 in Mackinac Co., MI, buried in Oscoda, Iosco Co., MI. Adopted by Tadgwasung. He married Eva STEVENS, 5 Mar 1924 in Mikado, MI, (daughter of James H. STEVENS and Sarah SQUANDA) buried in Oscoda, Iosco Co., MI. xii Josephine BOURASSA, born 1901 in MI, died 16 Apr 1905 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI. xiii Phillip BOURASSA, born 11 Apr 1906 in Moran Twp., Mackinac Co., MI. His father listed as John. Note 1 Also listed as b. Montreal, Qc.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Belongia,Tebo,LaBlanc,Dumas/Thomas,Pond,Boucha,Brown,Wachter Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/471.2.2.1 Message Board Post: Hi Chelle:You'll have to contact Larry Martin or James P.LaLone,cause Antoine Martin isn't on my branch of the tree. I was only researching Antoine Martin for one of my cousins who found some misleading imformation that was posted on these message boards. Sorry I couldn't be of any help. Cherie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HGB.2ACI/471.2.2 Message Board Post: Hi, I have so many of these names thru my line. Do you know if Louis St Andre was related to Charles St Andre? A brother perhaps?

Does anyone happen to have a link to the online version of Elizabeth Therese Baird's memoir of Mackinac in the early 1800s? I found this is my favorites which contains many interesting links (but unfortunately not a link to Baird): World Trading Centers-Mackinac, 1670-1900 http://www.uwec.edu/History/APUSH/Projects/Trade/Mackinac/mackinac.htm Thanks, and happy Fourth! Jeff PS Never mind, I just found a link on Terry's and Cindy's invaluable site. Thanks! Memoir: http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/lhbum:@field(DOCID+@lit(lhbum7689cdiv5)) Terry's and Cindy's Mackinac County ALHN: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mimacki2/page1.html

Pam - I am interested in your Beloungea connection. Is this family the same as the Belonga in St. Ignace? I have much info on that family. Thanks, Terry

Hi, Jack & Marianne, Amable Goudreau Jr. and Margaret Labute are my Great, Great, Grandparents.Their daughter Margaret Goudreau -Fountain -Potter my Great Grandmother and her daughter Phoebe Ellen Fountain-Beloungea-Lentner-Cobb, my Grandmother. My mother, Margaret Beloungea-Dailey. Pam Message ----- From: "Jack & Marianne Dibean" <dibeanjack@juno.com> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 6:36 AM Subject: [MIMac] Amable - Goudreau Family > We maintain the Michigan Marriage Index Database that has the following > records: > > NAME,SPOUSE,COUNTY,DATE,DOCUMENT,INFO > ============================================= > AMABLE - (JR) GOUDREAU,MARGARET - LEBUTE,MACKINAC,25 JAN > 1880,---,acsmsp@voyager.net > AMABLE - (JR) GOUDREAU,MARGARET - LEBUTE,MACKINAC,25 JAN > 1880,---,jplalone@prodigy.net > AMABLE - (JR) GOUDREAU,MARY A LEBUTE,MACKINAC,19 APR > 1874,---,acsmsp@voyager.net > AMABLE - (JR) GOUDREAU,MARY A LEBUTE,MACKINAC,19 APR > 1874,---,jplalone@prodigy.net > AMABLE - (JR) GOUDREAU,AGNES - WACHTER,MACKINAC,20 MAY > 1885,---,acsmsp@voyager.net > AMABLE - (JR) GOUDREAU,AGNES - WACHTER,MACKINAC,20 MAY > 1885,---,jplalone@prodigy.net > AMABLE - GOUDREAU,MARY (MAIRE) - BROUILLARD,?-UNKNOWN,25 MAY > 1847,---,acsmsp@voyager.net > AMABLE - GOUDREAU,MARY - VALLIER,MACKINAC,25 MAY > 1840,---,goudreau@procomputing.com > AMABLE - GOUDREAU,MARY - VALLIER,MACKINAC,25 MAY > 1840,---,acsmsp@voyager.net > > If these are the family you discussed in your message we would like to > add your email address to the records. > > Jack & Marianne Dibean - Lansing Michigan > GenWeb Archives: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/marriages/michigan/michigan.htm > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! >

We maintain the Michigan Marriage Index Database that has the following records: NAME,SPOUSE,COUNTY,DATE,DOCUMENT,INFO ============================================= AMABLE - (JR) GOUDREAU,MARGARET - LEBUTE,MACKINAC,25 JAN 1880,---,acsmsp@voyager.net AMABLE - (JR) GOUDREAU,MARGARET - LEBUTE,MACKINAC,25 JAN 1880,---,jplalone@prodigy.net AMABLE - (JR) GOUDREAU,MARY A LEBUTE,MACKINAC,19 APR 1874,---,acsmsp@voyager.net AMABLE - (JR) GOUDREAU,MARY A LEBUTE,MACKINAC,19 APR 1874,---,jplalone@prodigy.net AMABLE - (JR) GOUDREAU,AGNES - WACHTER,MACKINAC,20 MAY 1885,---,acsmsp@voyager.net AMABLE - (JR) GOUDREAU,AGNES - WACHTER,MACKINAC,20 MAY 1885,---,jplalone@prodigy.net AMABLE - GOUDREAU,MARY (MAIRE) - BROUILLARD,?-UNKNOWN,25 MAY 1847,---,acsmsp@voyager.net AMABLE - GOUDREAU,MARY - VALLIER,MACKINAC,25 MAY 1840,---,goudreau@procomputing.com AMABLE - GOUDREAU,MARY - VALLIER,MACKINAC,25 MAY 1840,---,acsmsp@voyager.net If these are the family you discussed in your message we would like to add your email address to the records. Jack & Marianne Dibean - Lansing Michigan GenWeb Archives: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/marriages/michigan/michigan.htm ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!