Thank you Helen, I was waiting for someone who is sane, who might shed some better light on this subject. ( I mean that in the kindest way to all.) Thank you, Thank you. I also see where various DENTON SMITH MILLS are sort of mixed up as to which "John ROCK SMITH" was the father-in-law to which of the above. I have given up and am just noting today's discussions, and leave it at that, for a later day when I am not so stressed. Thank you once more. Pat cw