Thank you Graham for your reply back. I just wondered if some entries there in England might reflect such information. It is truly confusing for we descendants/family members/ researchers, when we try to find family. When our ancestors "Muck" about with their surnames. Really appreciate your taking the time to reply. Does help me to keep my MISC MILLS straight. That is, those who are immediately related, and also by location, related. Patricia cw ____________________________________ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 8/30/2008 9:11:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: RE: WorldConnect: Post-em posted Hello Pat. Yes, we had bastardy files in England too – bastardy examinations to establish the father and bastardy orders to make him pay maintenance. I haven’t tried to use them, but I believe they can be difficult to find. They haven’t all survived, and they are spread across a number of record series - quarter sessions (county level), petty sessions (district level) and parish records (village level). Graham -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 August 2008 19:37 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: WorldConnect: Post-em posted Here in America, there are what is called "Bastardy Files". Some of them reflect the name of the father, and in them, states his paternity to the child. At least some have found their true surname in those records. Not sure, if such exists still there in England?? Or maybe under some other sort of description of records?? I suppose one can equate that to similar to being adopted. Not necessarily, would the records always be open to the general public for scrutiny. If one does a DNA test, at least, can find out what other surname their DNA matches with. So far, my brother's DNA sample, matches with SLATON, BUCKLEY, HILTON, JOHNSON, as well as other MILLS. At least those are some of the surnames, of the email addresses that are listed on the Y-DNA Matches section of the web site under my brother's account. Again, have not been able to put together any of their families to mine, that is, the MILLS of Ohio, New Jersey and New York. Have not been able to make any connection over the Atlantic Ocean to England or ??? Where else we might have sprang forth. Pat cw In a message dated 8/23/2008 7:09:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Pat, Yes, Edward was illegitimate so took his mother's surname. The 1851 census shows Stephen Mills (36) and Elizabeth Mills (40) with children Edward Giles (13), Amy Mills (11), John Mills (6) and James Mills (1), along with Stephen's father William Mills (67). Graham -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 17 August 2008 19:11 To: [email protected] Subject: WorldConnect: Post-em posted Database: gegiles Individual: I4142 Link: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=gegiles&id=I4142 Name: Patricia Ann Fischer Email: [email protected] URL: URL title: Note: Unless this is another case of illegitimate child, should not Edward GILES be a MILLS for surname?? Unless some other naming pattern was in play then?? Just asking. Pat cw Messes with DNA testing today, a whole bunch. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1628 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:32 PM ____________________________________ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal _here_ (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) . No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: 8/29/2008 6:12 PM **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)