Marna: Just looking at the death dates of your John's, and was curious, 1. John B: 1773 and died 1850 He lived 73 years. did it say of what he died? 2. John B: 1797, and died 1856 He only lived 59 years, what did he die from?of? Had 18 children? That could have done it, for sure. Just asking. Pat cw Can you give me your family outline? Or did you before? I can't find it. Thanks

Marna: Do you show that your John B: 1773, is the son of Jedidiah B: 1744, Morristown NJ? son of Timothy B: 1718? Or another MILLS in the same area? You say that they died in Ohio? Who were their wives? I have not seen that detail anywhere. Still looking for the parents of John B:1733, Sussex Co, NJ, which matched my DNA KIT #33009 on the _www.familytreedna.com_ (http://www.familytreedna.com) web site, under MILLS. Pat cw I thought my next little project would be to accumulate all the New Jersey entries into one database and try to put together all the families that way. Any insights?

Hi Marna: Have you looked at the database of Helen S Ullman, I believe that she has some parts of this same MILLS family on it. But she is convinced that some or all of our family MILLS, descended from Jonathan and Martha HALSTEAD MILLS, not the Samuel, son of George. Son of Samuel, son of Joseph, etc. that goes to my branch of the MILLS of Westfield, Essex Co, NJ. There again, we all seem to have the same predicament, way too many Samuel's, William's, John's, Thomas', along with the Timothy's, etc. to sort out. But again, with the DNA testing, it does lead some of us back to or about New Jersey, that we have a male MILLS do a DNA test, will possibly tell the tale as to which line we are of. Or do the female test, MTDNA, which of course, for me would be exorbitant in any day. I did manage to save for months for the male DNA test that I twisted my brother's arm to give up for me. (But after reading through the DNA discussion on Genealogy.com message boards forum, I am not so sure if I now made the right decisions.) But then that is another whole ball game in itself to research.) pat cw

Hello Everyone. I am sort of new to this so I apologize if I am doing this incorrectly. I am trying to trace my grandmother's family line. Her mother was Alice Sylvester Mills (B. 12/14/1886, D. 8/25/1973). She married John Bunyan Shaw some time around 1905 and resided in Union County, NC. Alice & John Shaw had the following children: Albert Thomas Shaw who married Ruth Linker Mary A. Shaw who married Lester Cornelius "Neal" Helms John B. Shaw Jr. who was killed by lightening at age 14 Etta Jane Shaw (my Grandmother) who married Herman Glenn Starnes Walter Frank Shaw who married Susie Doster I have not been able to confirm this information but my grandmother had told me before her death that Alice Mill's parents were Albert and Nettie Mills who lived in Chesterfield Co. SC. Albert & Nettie had believe it or not 18 children. How they kept sane with all those kids I'll never know. =) The only names I know are Vance Mills, Lillie Goldie Mills who married a ? Martin, Jim Mills, English Mills, Baxter Mills, & Neilly Mills who married Jim Ashcraft. I have not been able to find any information on Albert and Nettie or their children. My grandmother had Alzheimer's so I am not completely sure the info I have is correct. Any info or help anyone can give me will be greatly appreciated. Please let me know if I am doing anything wrong. Hope everyone has a great day. Thanks Bry

Thank you Helen. The list that I received from Ancestral Findings free lookup gave me 3 pages of John MILLS marriages in Massachusetts. For some reason, I cannot recall seeing any research on that particular branch of the MILLS. Unless I must have overlooked it at some point. There is listed in the book about "Mayflower Arrivals" a John MILLS family. Am curious if any of those MILLS have descendants down to present day. Also would be curious about their DNA studies to see where they fall in the scheme of the MILLS tree. pat cw

Pat, This confusion is the reason I was so happy when Larry Kolbar could furnish three names as possible male Mill donors for a DNA test. I have never regretted a second the money I spent to get this test made. Up to then, Mike Mills and I were almost sure that we were on the same line, and I was probably on my way to following that thought. We were no where near a match. There is a little information on John Mills and all of the Ten Mile contingent that went into Knox County online. It is "The History of Knock County, Ohio." This is a great book to read. John Mills was elected as an Associate Judge (one of the first three men selected to serve) and on one notation his middle pintail is "A". The only time I have seen a middle initial given. This book also contains some information about William Leonard. His was the first will probated in Knox County and in his will he only mentions two of his children, one of which is Rachel, married to John Mills. Interesting stuff. Shirley

Shirley and Carolyn and List There was another John MILLS B: 1760, son of John B: 1733/1741/ and several other dates I have seen for him, with spouse Rebecca SMITH, who is listed as being from PA.(He is also listed with a spouse as Rachel SMITH.) Possibly the LEONARD and SMITH Rachel have been co mingled too, their children, that is. This family MILLS were apparently in or near the other MILLS, of Philadelphia, PA links, who went to Ontario, Canada. John Sr. from New Jersey, and John and Parker also went up to Ontario, Canada. And I believe that there is also another John B: 1760, who was a son of a son of one of the John MILLS B: 1688/87/ etc., several other dates, who is also in or near PA at about the same time frame. I also remember reading, cannot site the reference at present, but there were entries about MILLS and many other families who had to flee from PA because the Indians were raiding constantly and it became too much to try to stay there, ( I am sure it was not from Philadelphia, but some outlying area) so they left and either returned or moved down to MD or NJ or NC or TN. Beverly Whitaker has also written me about these John's MILLS, and she feels that several have been linked incorrectly. Again, I believe that our computer age, has brought out more glaring errors on previous researchers assumptions, without verifying them. We can only use their old research as guidelines, and basically start from scratch to absolutely verify their work. But again, Is not what genealogy really is? Digging into the past for ancestors, skeletons and all. Pat cw

List: I have been following the discussion of John Mills, but unfortunately, there are so many JOHN MILLS. I have 13 in my own data base and my research is not nearly so extensive as many of you. My John Mills, Sr., was born in 1773, in Morristown, Morris Co., N.J. and died in 1850 in Jefferson Township, Madison Co., OH. His son, John Mills, Jr., was born in 1797, Morristown, NJ one pf 9 children. He died in 1856 in Henderson Co., IL. buried in Monmouth Cemetery, in Warren Co., IL. He was the father of 18 children, He was my g.g. grandfather. This family can be traced back to Timothy Mills (1718). Timothy was descended from George Mills, (1605) though I have to admit there were several Timothy Mills, and I am not sure of the exact lineage from George. I would certainly like for someone to help me with this. - Marna -

Hi, I have just joined the list and have been reading back over the archives. I am looking for my gggg-grandfather William (Billy) Mills' line. According to family records (which could be off) here is what I have... Billy Mills born 1780, died 1890. Fathered 12 children: Henry, Wash(Washington?), Lang, Willis, Joseph, Thomas, Andrew, West(Wesley?), Christopher, Tippie(married John Denmark), Lydia (married Red Denmark) and Martha(married Tobe Dueitt). I know its not much to go on, I am new to all this (genealogy) and just getting started in tracing my lines back. If any of it sounds familiar and you could either confirm what I have or help me to go back further, I would be very grateful. Thank you in advance, Cathy Mills

I found two Family Tree entries on Roots Web that incorrectly identifies the John Mills of 1727, MD, as the John Mills living in Washington Township during the Revolutionary War. John Mills of Morgan Township, Washington County, PA, was born in 1760 and is the son of John Mills of 1727. Not all of the children in the family have been identified at this time. The 1760 John Mills turned up on a Pension Application submitted to the Mills list in the summer of 2003, It states that he was born in 1760, that he served as a Pvt. in the PA militia, that his wife was Rachel Leonard, and that he died in Knox County, Ohio in 1829, Many reports have Joseph, Jacob, and Elijah being born in PA. Elijah is identified in his Pension Application as having been born in Frederick CO, MD. It seems logical that all of the children were born in MD, Our family history states that the family immigrated into Maryland from Wales in about 1660. The relationship of John Mills of 1760 to the family of John Mills of 1727 was proved with a DNA test. There was a 36/37 marker match between a male descendant of John and a descendant of Jacob. This means that 8 generations back there was a common ancestor and that puts us right at the doorstep of John Mills of 1727. making both John and Jacob his sons. I can understand how the confusion of the two John's occurred. But I can't understand how someone failed to question the fact contained in the notes, that a man born in 1727 could endure the hardship of serving as a Frontier Ranger in the late 1770's, and die in 1829. Our Mills line contains some real he-men. But this is a little too much. Shirley

Hi Shirley This has always confused me too. I descend from Joseph Mills Of Bedford County Pennsylvania. He was born in 1754 and is supposedly the son of John Mills of Washington born 1727. Michael Mills believes my Joseph is the brother of his Jesse born 1755 in Frederick Maryland.He believes they were English. Researchers of my line believe they were German. This is the first I've heard of the Wales connection. Please tell me more. Carolyn Mills Hughes > [Original Message] > From: <Sevansn8s@aol.com> > To: <MILLS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 10/31/05 3:45:11 PM > Subject: [MILLS] John Mills 1727 and son, John Mills 1760 > > I found two Family Tree entries on Roots Web that incorrectly identifies the > John Mills of 1727, MD, as the John Mills living in Washington Township > during the Revolutionary War. > > John Mills of Morgan Township, Washington County, PA, was born in 1760 and > is the son of John Mills of 1727. Not all of the children in the family have > been identified at this time. The 1760 John Mills turned up on a Pension > Application submitted to the Mills list in the summer of 2003, It states that > he was born in 1760, that he served as a Pvt. in the PA militia, that his > wife was Rachel Leonard, and that he died in Knox County, Ohio in 1829, > > Many reports have Joseph, Jacob, and Elijah being born in PA. Elijah is > identified in his Pension Application as having been born in Frederick CO, MD. > It seems logical that all of the children were born in MD, Our family history > states that the family immigrated into Maryland from Wales in about 1660. > The relationship of John Mills of 1760 to the family of John > Mills of 1727 was proved with a DNA test. There was a 36/37 marker match > between a male descendant of John and a descendant of Jacob. This means that > 8 generations back there was a common ancestor and that puts us right at the > doorstep of John Mills of 1727. making both John and Jacob his sons. > > I can understand how the confusion of the two John's occurred. But I can't > understand how someone failed to question the fact contained in the notes, > that a man born in 1727 could endure the hardship of serving as a Frontier > Ranger in the late 1770's, and die in 1829. Our Mills line contains some real > he-men. But this is a little too much. > > > Shirley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MILLS Mailing List ==== > Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet > http://www.snopes.com/ > <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Dear Pat, John Mills married Rachel Bates of Salem, Mass., at Boston on 5 October 1743. This is from A REPORT OF THE RECORD COMMISSIONERS OF THE CITY OF BOSTON CONTAINING THE BOSTON MARRIAGES FROM 1700 TO 1751 (Boston: Municipal Printing Office, 1898), page 276. This book is also known as vol. 28 of the Boston Record Commissioners series. There were a number of Mills in Essex County, particularly in Salem and Lynn. There are a couple of possible Johns there who may have married Rachel. Salem is not a long sail from Boston. I've compiled a little stuff on them but not enough to connect the families or to know where they went. I haven't researched probate and deeds yet. Some of them went to Maine. Here's a likely family (see below), but I don't know what rootsweb will do with the footnotes. I think I'll copy you on this message and they will more likely come through on a direct email. Pennsylvania sounds a little unlikely, but there were Massachusetts people who went there. Helen Ullmann John Mills married at Salem, Massachusetts, on 22 April 1737 Elizabeth Chapman.[1] <#_ftn1> She was perhaps born at Salem 15 December 1705, daughter of John and Elizabeth (Cook) Chapman (AF). Did he marry (2) Rachel Bates of Salem at Boston on 5 Oct. 1743 (28th Report, p. 276)? Children of John and Elizabeth (Chapman) Mills, baptized at the First Church in Salem:[2] <#_ftn2> i. Elizabeth Mills, baptized 7 Oct. 1739. ii. John Mills, baptized 30 Dec. 1739. iii. Stephen Mills, baptized 6 Feb. 1742/3. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [1] <#_ftnref1> Vital Records of Salem, Massachusetts, to the End of the Year 1849 (Salem: Essex Institute, 1916), 4:90. [2] <#_ftnref2> VR of Salem, 2:78.

Sevansn8s@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone know how to obtain an e-mail address from the Family Tree pages >of Roots Web? It used to be ease, but now the addresses are impossible for >me to decifer. I really need to correspond with some of the people. The same >problem exists on ANcestry.com's Family Tree entries. I am frustrated. > > Here are some things to try. Put your cursor on the address and right click it; save the image to your desktop. Remember what you name the image - it will be a GIF file. Then open it with whatever image viewing software you have. I find Microsoft Photo Editor works fine. When the .gif image opens, you can go to its View dropdown menu and zoom to whatever size you want - I use 200%. If the address still is not clear, go to the Image menu, click on Balance. Then decrease the brightness and increase the contrast - play with different settings until you get maximum readability. If you have another image viewer, it should have resizing and rebalancing options. Good luck! Ted Mills

Received this response to my query. pat cw A response to your Help Desk message, "MISC: Email Addresses are Illegible ," of Sun, 30 Oct 2005, at 11:50 a.m. follows: ------------------------- Address (URL) of web site, if applicable: All of them on family tree and rootsweb.com entries, as well as on ancestry. too. Message: I and others have written to the MILLS LIST to say that the email addresses are very hard to decipher on both roots web and ancestry both on the family tree and the message boards when we click on the submitter's name. It is so clogged with background dust, or whatever you want to call it. I cannot tell if the email address letters are "e" or "c" or if an "i" is an "l" or a "j" or whatever. Can you please clear this up for future use. It is very annoying to write an email to the parties selected and it comes back as unknown user, etc., not our customer or whatever else the returned mail messages can be. See MILLS LIST of today, 10 30 05 for others comments as well. Patricia: Unfortunately, it is a deliberate decision to display the e-mail addresses against a low-contrast background to foil the spammers who would scrape addresses from our web pages. If you subscribe to the list and receive the messages in your e-mail program, you'll get the plain text version. Reading the messages from the message boards or the archiver web pages will show you the addresses against the grey pebbly background. Regards, Elsi ------------------------- To respond to this message, please press your 'Reply' button. To post a question on a different topic, revisit the form located at http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi Thank You!!

I just re read what I had typed about John and Rachel, and realized I was not really all that clear. I did not mean to imply that the John and Rachel BATES MILLS, of Boston, MA was the same one of Chester Co, Pa. But it is interesting that there same others of similar names who just might have gotten mixed up with them too along the way all these years past. Just wanted to clear that up. Pat cw

Recently I received an email from AncestralFindings.com (_lookups@ancestralfindings.com_ (mailto:lookups@ancestralfindings.com) ) that had a search mode that you can use to find names of MILLS. I asked for a list of John MILLS of Massachusetts and received a very long list. Their database is listed as Marriage Index - Massachusetts, 1633 - 1850 Among which is an entry for John MILLS who married "a" Rachel BATES on October 5, 1743 in Boston, MA Suffolk County. For Rachel BATES with spouse John MILLS, from just John to John Sr to John III, to John "O", they all have the same marriage date listed for them as about 1706 to 1708. Some with and some without the Chester Co. PA reference. For Rachel, however, they have her being born from Massachusetts to CT to MD to Chester Co, PA. I am just wondering if there are more than one couple with these names, and somehow some of the information of their families, children, etc. have gotten garbled over the years. Is there anyone who has the concrete documentation on these couples, as to where born, died, married, children, etc, that can be of help to us all in separating them out into distinct families.(Other than what I just typed above.) Is there any proof at all that the Rachel BATES, who is listed as being born in Boston, MA, married there to John, ever went to Philadelphia, PA and then on to Chester Co, PA? And that one of their subsequent descendants also married same names and they are the ones listed for Chester Co, PA? Or is this just a re wash of the same information passed down and recycled. Pat cw NOTE: Again, I do not know from where the AncestralFindings.com web site gleaned their data either.

Hi Shirley: Me too, it is very hard to read some of them. You cannot tell if an "e" is a 'c" or what exactly! I guess the easiest thing to do is write to the admin of the LIST's and ask them to use a better interpreter/print method. DO NOT KNOW pat cw

Does anyone know how to obtain an e-mail address from the Family Tree pages of Roots Web? It used to be ease, but now the addresses are impossible for me to decifer. I really need to correspond with some of the people. The same problem exists on ANcestry.com's Family Tree entries. I am frustrated. Shirley

Do you know the maiden name of Lawson Fletcher Mills' mother? My Mills ancestors 1750s are from Bedford Co. Pennsylvania and some of them are buried in the Fletcher Cemetery. Carolyn Mills Hughes > [Original Message] > From: <wjowtx@cox.net> > To: <MILLS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 10/11/05 5:51:30 PM > Subject: [MILLS] Re: James C. Mills, b.abt 1815, Tn. > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Mills > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/jE1.2ACEB/2598.2.2 > > Message Board Post: > > James E. Mills and James C. Mills are two different persons. > James C. Cadd Mills ( my G G Great Grandfather )married Caroline Walker. He died after 1880 and is buried in Fayette Co. AL. > My G Grandfather, Lawson Fletcher Mills married Viola Jane Mills, daughter of Ellis Mills and Mary Forester. > > > ==== MILLS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the MILLS list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > MILLS-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > MILLS-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/jE1.2ACEB/315.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Nancy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes I can help you and yes,there is a very clear connection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my e-mail is mmmills@vcn.com I would like you to send me a mail there,then I can actually send you pictures that I can"scan" at work foward to myself,then on to you. best regards, Michael M. Mills Newcastle Wyoming