Hello all listers, I have made a breakthrough in my proverbial brick wall. Thanks to all have helped with that. I have found my Jacob Miller I now have moved on to searching my G G G G G grandfather Joshua Miller, I have a pretty large amount of info after Joshua like from Jacob on. In an old email I was looking over I found some other info that may help in my search, so IM going to include it in this Email ("Patriarch Jacob Miller [b.1786-88 d.1869) of Scotland to Erie County, NY 1796 to Lots 21& 22 Con 9 in 1805. Jacob was son of Joshua but unknown if he came to Canada. He m. Phoebe Gould and had son Jacob, jr. (1813-1883) who m. Hannah Collins and lived In Pickering Township. Jacob & Hannah had William "Morton" Miller, Morton's son Ralph Douglas Miller had Herbert "Roy" Miller b. 1915 and is still alive the last I heard.   Sounds like your Abel is Jacob jr's brother," ) Which as it turned out it is my Jacob Miller. What I am now interested in getting is info on Joshua Miller. If anyone can help I would love to here from you all. Thank you everyone, Kevin Miller Coleman, MI.