Hello All, I would like to thank everyone for all the help you have given me. As I was saying in a past letter I have a second name for one of Jacob Miller's (possible) 17 children his name is Warren Miller probable year of birth is 1825, it just says 1825 doesn't say birth or death but I am guessing its birth. He was born in Canada Im guessing Markham also. Well, thank you & I hope to hear from everyone soon. Every one speaks of the brick wall, well all I definitely have one too. Mine starts in Markhan Upper Canada Ontario to be specific, That's where my G G G G grandfather Jacob Miller IM not sure of a year of birth somewhere around 1800. He had from what we have been told 17 children, one of those being Abel Miller born 1821 in Markhan Upper Canada Ontario. Abel Miller then in sometime came to Michigan Richfield township Genesse County to be exact. Abel Miller married Loretta Wixson in April 27, 1842. He died August 12, 1879. The Second child I have info on is Warren Miller probable year of birth is 1825, it just says 1825 doesn't say birth or death but I am guessing its birth yr. He was born in Canada Im guessing Markham also. This is the only Info I have on Warren Miller. Well, that should give you all a little info to go on, I have a lot more info past Abel if anyone would find it helpful. Thank You, Kevin Miller millerhk@aol.com