This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/mFB.2ACE/581.1.1.2.1.2.3.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: 1910 census, Athens Township, Calhoun County Michigan: Jay Carpenter, age 23 (born abt 1887) , wife Alice, age 22, son (Ellsworth? sp.) age 3, and Miles Hagerman , brother in law, age 19. Alice and Miles were children of Job Hagerman and Ella Rose. Is this the connection you are looking for?