This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Oesterle/Mueller Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kFB.2ACE/4264 Message Board Post: Am looking for any information about Johann Rudolph von Oesterle (c. 1770-1858 of Edelweiler, Germany, and later of Pfalzgrafenweiler, Freudenstadt, Wurtenberg). Am trying to connect him to a Baron Rudolph von Oesterle (d. about 1745-1750 in Wurtenberg). The Baron apparently had two sons: one son, an officer in the King's Army in Wurtenberg, came to US about 1742, landing in New York or Philadelphia; the other son came to America for some years but returned to Wurtenberg upon the death of his father, the Baron. My Johann Rudolph is probably the Baron's grandson but I don't have the connection. My immigrant ancestor is Johann's grandson, Frederick Oesterle (b. 1831-33 in Wurtenberg, d. 1891 in Grand Rapids, MI). Here's what I have for Johann and his descendants. _________________________________ According to unofficial family record compiled in 1935 by Julia Oesterle Mills (based on information provided by her father, Jacob Oesterle, and her own knowledge): "Von Oesterle family was strongly established in 1200 AD. Baron Rudolph von Oesterle died around 1750. A son was an army officer in the King's Army in Wurtenberg; came to America about 1742, landed at New York or Philadelphia. He married and had children. Do not know dates of birth, deaths, or marriages of descendants. "[Another] son came to America and remained for some years, then returned to Wurtenberg at death of his father about 1745-1750 and remained there." Descendants of Johann Rudolph von Oesterle (probably grandson of Baron Rudolph): Generation No. 1 1. JOHANN RUDOLPH (2) VON OESTERLE was born Abt. 1770 in Edelweiler, Germany, and died Abt. 1858 in Pfalzgrafenweiler, Freudenstadt, Wurtenberg, Germany. He married (1) EVA KALMBACH. She died Bef. 1858. He married (2) ?. Children of JOHANN VON OESTERLE and EVA KALMBACH are: 2. i. JOHN JACOB (3) OESTERLE, b. Abt. 1800, Pfalzgrafenweiler, Wurtenberg, Germany; d. August 07, 1841, Pfalzgrafenweiler, Wurtenberg, Germany. 3. ii. MATTHEW OESTERLE, b. Unknown. 4. iii. JULIA ANNA OESTERLE, b. Unknown. iv. CHRISTIAN OESTERLE, b. Unknown. Generation No. 2 2. JOHN JACOB(3) OESTERLE (JOHANN RUDOLPH2 VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE1) was born Abt. 1800 in Pfalzgrafenweiler, Wurtenberg, Germany, and died August 07, 1841 in Pfalzgrafenweiler, Wurtenberg, Germany. He married KATHERINE WOLFER Abt. 1826, daughter of ADAM WOLFER and ? KALMBACH. She died 1852. Children of JOHN OESTERLE and KATHERINE WOLFER are: 5. i. ROSINA(4) OESTERLE, b. September 24, 1831, Pfalzgrafenweiler, Wurtenberg; d. March 28, 1906, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. 6. ii. FREDERICK OESTERLE, b. November 24, 1833, Pfalzgrafenweiler, Baden- Wurtenberg, Germany; d. March 26, 1891. 7. iii. CHRISTINE OESTERLE, b. July 31, 1838, Pfalzgrafenweiler, Wurtenberg; d. March 12, 1905, Muskegon, MI. 8. iv. JACOB OESTERLE, b. February 21, 1840, Pfalzgrafenweiler, Wurtenberg; d. August 11, 1924, Claremont, VA - home of daughter Julia Oesterle Mills. v. JOHN ADAM OESTERLE, b. June 27, 1841, Pfalzgrafenweiler, Wurtenberg; d. April 15, 1876, Dayton, OH - National Soldiers Home. 3. MATTHEW(3) OESTERLE (JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born Unknown. He married ?. Children of MATTHEW OESTERLE and ? are: i. HERMAN(4) OESTERLE, b. Unknown. ii. CHILD OESTERLE, b. Unknown. iii. CHILD OESTERLE, b. Unknown. iv. CHILD OESTERLE, b. Unknown. 4. JULIA ANNA(3) OESTERLE (JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born Unknown. She married ?. Child of JULIA OESTERLE and ? is: i. ROSA(4). Generation No. 3 5. ROSINA(4) OESTERLE (JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born September 24, 1831 in Pfalzgrafenweiler, Wurtenberg, and died March 28, 1906 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. She married JOHN GEORGE KALMBACH May 09, 1872 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. He was born 1835 in Glatten, Wurtenberg, Germany, and died February 04, 1916 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. Child of ROSINA OESTERLE and JOHN KALMBACH is: 9. i. ALBERT BENJAMIN(5) KALMBACH, b. Abt. 1873, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. 6. FREDERICK(4) OESTERLE (JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born November 24, 1833 in Pfalzgrafenweiler, Baden- Wurtenberg, Germany, and died March 26, 1891. He married EVA KATHERINE HERTLEIN February 19, 1855 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. She was born June 30, 1833 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI, and died September 12, 1885. Children of FREDERICK OESTERLE and EVA HERTLEIN are: i. FREDERICK WILLIAM(5) OESTERLE, b. April 1856; d. 1857. ii. ROSINA MARGARETHA KATHARINE ("KATE") OESTERLE, b. November 09, 1858. iii. ANNA MARGARET OESTERLE, b. February 09, 1861; d. January 1886. iv. EMMA FREDERICKA OESTERLE, b. May 1863; d. August 1865. 10. v. EMMA MATHILDA OESTERLE, b. September 28, 1865; d. 1945, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. 11. vi. FREDERICK WILLIAM OESTERLE, b. January 10, 1868; d. 1942, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. vii. MINNIE LOUISE OESTERLE, b. May 19, 1870; d. Bet. 1950 - 1959; m. FRED ZIMMER, June 28, 1910, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. 12. viii. LOUISE CLARA OESTERLE, b. November 24, 1872, Grand Rapids, Kent Co. MI; d. June 25, 1949. 7. CHRISTINE(4) OESTERLE (JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born July 31, 1838 in Pfalzgrafenweiler, Wurtenberg, and died March 12, 1905 in Muskegon, MI. She married JACOB KIRSCHMAN 1858 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. Children of CHRISTINE OESTERLE and JACOB KIRSCHMAN are: i. JACOB(5) KIRSCHMAN, b. Unknown. 13. ii. ROSA KIRSCHMAN, b. Unknown; d. 1912. iii. BENJAMIN KIRSCHMAN, b. Unknown. 14. iv. FREDERICKA KIRSCHMAN, b. Bet. April 06, 1858 - 1880; d. 1907, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. v. CHILD KIRSCHMAN, b. Unknown. 15. vi. ROBERT KIRSCHMAN, b. 1875, Allegan, MI. 16. vii. KATHERINE KIRSCHMAN, b. 1878, Allegan, MI. viii. JOHN KIRSCHMAN, b. Abt. 1877. 8. JACOB(4) OESTERLE (JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born February 21, 1840 in Pfalzgrafenweiler, Wurtenberg, and died August 11, 1924 in Claremont, VA - home of daughter Julia Oesterle Mills. He married CAROLINE GALL March 09, 1869 in Allegan, MI. Children of JACOB OESTERLE and CAROLINE GALL are: 17. i. JACOB FREDERICK WILLIAM(5) OESTERLE, b. December 29, 1869, Allegan, MI. ii. GEORGE LEONARD CHRISTIAN OESTERLE, b. September 06, 1871, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI; m. EVELYN OCTAVIA CARPENTER, June 17, 1902, New York, NY. iii. CAROLINE PAULINE OESTERLE, b. April 06, 1873, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI; d. April 25, 1919, Claremont, VA. iv. EDWARD OESTERLE, b. November 26, 1875; d. November 28, 1875. 18. v. BERTHA CLARE JULIA OESTERLE, b. April 06, 1877, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. vi. OTTO EUGENE ROBERT OESTERLE, b. June 23, 1879, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. vii. FREDERICK OESTERLE, b. June 23, 1879, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI; d. June 23, 1879, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. viii. RUDOLPH OESTERLE, b. February 26, 1883, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI; d. March 02, 1883, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. Generation No. 4 9. ALBERT BENJAMIN(5) KALMBACH (ROSINA(4) OESTERLE, JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born Abt. 1873 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. He married (1) EDITH W. KOHLHEPP in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI, daughter of HENRY KOHLHEPP. She was born May 29, 1879, and died October 20, 1908 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. He married (2) ?. Child of ALBERT KALMBACH and EDITH KOHLHEPP is: i. HENRY(6) KALMBACH, b. Buffalo, NY. 10. EMMA MATHILDA(5) OESTERLE (FREDERICK(4), JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born September 28, 1865, and died 1945 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. She married JOHANN FRIEDRICH MULLER May 23, 1889 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI, son of HEINRICH MUELLER and MARY RABE. He was born October 10, 1860 in Netra, Hessen, Germany, and died January 16, 1949 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. Children of EMMA OESTERLE and JOHANN MULLER are: i. CATHERINE LOUISE(6) MUELLER, b. September 08, 1890; d. September 26, 1951; m. WILLIAM I. MILLAR, September 19, 1912; b. February 01, 1888; d. September 25, 1969, Dallas, TX. ii. FREDERICK HENRY MUELLER, b. November 22, 1893, Grand Rapids, Kent Co. MI; d. August 31, 1976, Sarasota, FL; m. (1) MARY TAYLOR DARRAH, November 06, 1915, Big Rapids, Mecosta Co., MI; b. November 30, 1892, Big Rapids, Mecosta Co., MI; d. April 16, 1958, Washington, DC; m. (2) PAULINE CRANE, May 22, 1961, Metropolitan Memorial Church -Washington, DC; b. December 22, 1898; d. July 15, 1984, Sarasota, FL. iii. EDWARD MUELLER, b. October 29, 1895, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI; d. February 05, 1896, Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. iv. EMMA DORTHEA MUELLER, b. April 01, 1898, Grand Rapids, Kent Co. MI; d. December 18, 1970, Grand Rapids, Kent Co. MI; m. DOUGLAS F. MCCOLL, DDS, September 08, 1924, Grand Rapids, MI. v. MARGARET ELIZABETH MUELLER, b. October 04, 1901, Grand Rapids, Kent Co. MI; d. 1985, Grand Rapids, Kent Co. MI; m. CLARK BEIRIGER, May 23, 1927, Grand Rapids, MI. 11. FREDERICK WILLIAM(5) OESTERLE (FREDERICK(4), JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born January 10, 1868, and died 1942 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. He married CLARA L. HORST September 14, 1899 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. Children of FREDERICK OESTERLE and CLARA HORST are: i. FREDERICK(6) OESTERLE, b. October 27, 1902; d. May 1971, Bentonville, AR; m. ISABELLA MAYOR, June 24, 1944; b. August 16, 1911; d. March 16, 1996, Sherwood, AR. ii. EDYTHE LOUISE OESTERLE, b. November 16, 1905; m. THOMAS S. PENDERGAST, September 10, 1935. iii. WALTER OESTERLE, b. Bet. 1909 - 1910, Grand Rapids,Kent Co., MI; d. Bet. 1909 - 1910, Grand Rapids, Kent Co. MI. iv. JOHN OESTERLE, b. June 1912; m. JEAN MCCOLL, April 02, 1936. v. HELEN OESTERLE, b. December 04, 1917; m. LOUIS SARAG, December 06, 1941. 12. LOUISE CLARA(5) OESTERLE (FREDERICK(4), JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born November 24, 1872 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co. MI, and died June 25, 1949. She married CHARLES A. ECKERT June 22, 1892 in Grand Rapids, MI. He was born February 10, 1876, and died December 04, 1949. Children of LOUISE OESTERLE and CHARLES ECKERT are: i. CHARLOTTE(6) ECKERT, b. August 20, 1900; d. December 18, 1972; m. NELSON J. WACHSMAN, June 03, 1930; d. January 10, 1975. ii. EDWARD ECKERT, b. November 28, 1902, Grand Rapids, Kent Co. MI; d. April 22, 1966; m. NINA EVELETH, August 28, 1926, Michigan. 13. ROSA(5) KIRSCHMAN (CHRISTINE(4) OESTERLE, JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born Unknown, and died 1912. She married ? CONRAD. Child of ROSA KIRSCHMAN and ? CONRAD is: i. SON(6) CONRAD, b. 1912. 14. FREDERICKA(5) KIRSCHMAN (CHRISTINE(4) OESTERLE, JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born Bet. April 06, 1858 - 1880, and died 1907 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. She married HENRY DAWSON. Children of FREDERICKA KIRSCHMAN and HENRY DAWSON are: i. GUY(6) DAWSON, b. Abt. 1890. ii. CLARENCE DAWSON, b. Abt. 1892. iii. MARJORIE DAWSON, b. Abt. 1893. iv. ROBERT DAWSON, b. Abt. 1895. 15. ROBERT(5) KIRSCHMAN (CHRISTINE(4) OESTERLE, JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born 1875 in Allegan, MI. He married ?. Children of ROBERT KIRSCHMAN and ? are: i. CHILD(6) KIRSCHMAN, b. Unknown; m. ?, 1925. ii. CHILD KIRSCHMAN, b. Unknown. 16. KATHERINE(5) KIRSCHMAN (CHRISTINE(4) OESTERLE, JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born 1878 in Allegan, MI. She married ? CURTIS. Children of KATHERINE KIRSCHMAN and ? CURTIS are: i. CHILD(6) CURTIS, b. Unknown. ii. CHILD CURTIS, b. Unknown. 17. JACOB FREDERICK WILLIAM(5) OESTERLE (JACOB(4), JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born December 29, 1869 in Allegan, MI. He married CHARLOTTE BOST August 10, 1908 in Spartanburg, SC. Children of JACOB OESTERLE and CHARLOTTE BOST are: i. CHARLOTTE LORETZ(6) OESTERLE, b. February 26, 1918, Minneapolis, MN. ii. ROBERT HENRY OESTERLE, b. March 21, 1920, Roosevelt, MN. 18. BERTHA CLARE JULIA(5) OESTERLE (JACOB(4), JOHN JACOB(3), JOHANN RUDOLPH(2) VON OESTERLE, OESTERLE(1)) was born April 06, 1877 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., MI. She married LOUIS LE GRAND MILLS August 15, 1897 in Claremont, VA. Children of BERTHA OESTERLE and LOUIS MILLS are: i. ETHEL CAROLINE OESTERLE(6) MILLS, b. November 10, 1898, Claremont, VA; m. JOHN QUNCY AVERY, June 24, 1916, Claremont, VA. ii. LUCILE WHEELER MILLS, b. February 10, 1903, Claremont, VA; m. KARL V. OGDEN, August 22, 1925, Claremont, VA. __________________________________ Any additions or corrections would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards, Margot