Thanks again Brenda. Yes, I can wait until you get back. I have a couple of other hints that I'll try and follow up. Thanks for the address. Peg

Attn: City Burial Records Governmental Building 400 Boardman Ave Traverse City, MI 49684 same address for all offices.. city clerk for b.m.d. probate - wills etc Register of Deeds - Land records TADL= Traverse Area District Library is online and you can write to them for articles for newspapers.. there is a small fee Good Luck,, Brenda IF you can wait until i get back....... i can call them and see if the records are there for this guy.,. they are pretty good about looking things up~ Bye for now brenda Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore kingsley@aol.com http://members.aol.com/fiddlerben/gtindex.html surnames: Wolfgram, Kratochvil, Secor/Sicard, Jacques, Leguerre, Vallee and and

Thanks, Brenda. I have my great grandfather's obit but it does not mention any names except my grandmother and her sister. I found Arnold's name in the census records living with them. Too many "stories" that I'd like to get verified. Sounds like they didn't have much more to do with him after institutionalizing him. It would be nice if the Library would at least acknowledge my letter and tell me whether I could get the records or not. David Nelson Gregory died in Oregon 28 April 1928, Martha McKee Gregory died 25 Jan 1929 in Oregon and Arnold died 1 Jan 1928. Do you know if they had obits printed of the inmates? I know it probably wouldn't have his parents names because it seems as though the hospital didn't know that information. Arnold was 7 in the 1900 Census in Charlevoix CO. with parents and sisters. <The sexton, Brandon, and his staff are very helpful 231-922-4907 the records they have are indexed although not complete. The Traverse City, City Hall has cemetery records also.. some match the sexton's... some do not.. they both have records that the other does not.> Someone checked the Oakwood sexton's records and Arnold wasn't listed but he did say that if we found him there he would update his records. Do you have an address for the City Hall so I could check with them? Many thanks again for your help. Peg

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Peg, Most people that died at the Asylum were buried at Oakwood Cemetery in Traverse UNLESS relatives were around to bury them elsewhere. The sexton, Brandon, and his staff are very helpful 231-922-4907 the records they have are indexed although not complete. The Traverse City, City Hall has cemetery records also.. some match the sexton's... some do not.. they both have records that the other does not. IF they are Catholic religion, Oakwood Cemetery no longer has the info for that part of the cemetery. The Catholic Church has offices for all the cemetery info now. They too, are very helpful. As for the guy who died in 1928? Would need more info to help with that. IF the cemetery shows no record.. then checking with City Hall would be the next step I would take. They have their own sets of indexes and records. Have you gotten the obits from Oregon? Ok.. Peg.. good luck also.. when the hospital went defunct the records were all sent to the Library of Michigan State Archives (there is info online.. not names but info about the State Hospital there) Records are very hard to get. I think only parents and children were allowed access to the direct records. But I really need to try getting records again to know the way it is being done now.. for sure~ bye for now, brenda In a message dated 10/13/00 3:31:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Peg77Kel@aol.com writes: << In July, 2000 I wrote to the Mental Health & Substance Abuse in Lansing to try and find out where my Grandmother's brother was buried. He died 1 Jan 1928, in the Traverse City Hospital ob TB. As to this date I have received no reply whatsoever and I would like to know if there is someway of receiving this information or some hints as to where to try next. Someone had checked a cemetery where people from there had been buried but found no record of him. I lost the information she'd written when my computer lost my saved e-mail so I don't recall the name of the Cemetery. They didn't have information as to his parents but his death date and age at death computes with his birthdate and I have his parents and siblings birth, death and place of deaths. The parents and Arnold all died within a year of each other, and the parents are buried in Oregon. Any help at all would be appreciated. Peg >> Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore kingsley@aol.com http://members.aol.com/fiddlerben/gtindex.html surnames: Wolfgram, Kratochvil, Secor/Sicard, Jacques, Leguerre, Vallee and and

In July, 2000 I wrote to the Mental Health & Substance Abuse in Lansing to try and find out where my Grandmother's brother was buried. He died 1 Jan 1928, in the Traverse City Hospital ob TB. As to this date I have received no reply whatsoever and I would like to know if there is someway of receiving this information or some hints as to where to try next. Someone had checked a cemetery where people from there had been buried but found no record of him. I lost the information she'd written when my computer lost my saved e-mail so I don't recall the name of the Cemetery. They didn't have information as to his parents but his death date and age at death computes with his birthdate and I have his parents and siblings birth, death and place of deaths. The parents and Arnold all died within a year of each other, and the parents are buried in Oregon. Any help at all would be appreciated. Peg

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Brenda, Thank you very much for the info. My questions have been answered. Dennis

In a message dated 10/11/00 1:13:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dennisgen2@aol.com writes: << Do you have any Obits in Kalkaska co for Suttons? I am looking for Samuel H Sutton, who are his parents? Thanks Dennis Bradley >> Dennis, I found the following: 1 Nov 1956 Samuel H. Sutton Dies at Rapid City Samuel H. Sutton, 71, a resident for the past 29 years of Rapid City, passed away suddenly Thursday noon Oct 25. Mr. Sutton was born in Jordan Twp, Antrim County, 18 June 1885, the son of Henry and Edith Sutton. He was married 18 Nov 1910 to Bertha Lavanway, and to this union six children were born. Surviving: 4 daughters; Mrs Marian Mood of Minneapolis, MN; Mrs. Marie Bradley of Lowell; Mrs Clara Barnes of Kewadin; Mrs. Myrtle Yoder of Rapid City; one son Harry of Grand Rapids, one brother, Fred Suttons of Chestonia and three sisters Bertha Justice and Ethel Mills of Chestonia and Muriel Greenman of Bellaire. He was preceded in death by one daughter, three bros and three sisters. Funeral services was held at Berg Schwartz Funeral Home Sunday, Oct 28 at 2:00pm with Rev Edward Caughill of Rapid City officiating. Burial was in Mt. Bliss Cemetery near East Jordan end_______________________________________________________ 19 Feb 1959 Kalkaska Leader newspaper Former resident of Rapid City Passes Harry S. Sutton of Grand Rapids, passed away there very suddenly Sunday morning, Feb 8, from a heart attack. Mr. Sutton was 45yrs of age. Born 26 July 1913, at Chestonia and at the age of 14 he moved with his parents, Samuel and Bertha Sutton, to Rapid City where he attended school. On, 1 July 1940, he was united in marriage to Chloe Wilson of East Jordan. To this union six children were born. Mr. and Mrs. Sutton have made their home in Grand Rapids the past nine years where he was employed as a welder on the Chesepeake and Ohio Railroad. Survivors include: wife, Chole; five sons, Robert, Allan, Melvin, Dale and James and one daughter, Virginia. He also leaves his mother, Mrs. Harry Peck of Rapid City, four sisters, Mrs Marion Moody of Minneapolis, MN Mrs. Clara Barnes, Kewadin, MI Mrs Myrtle Yoder and Mrs. Marie Bradley of Rapid City, MI, also numerous cousins, aunts and uncles. Funeral Services were held Wed at 3:00pm at Vanderpool Funeral Home, Godwin Heights, Grand Rapids Rev Waldo E. Risner of the Assembly of God Church officiating Burial was a Chapel Hill Memorial Gardens, Grand Rapids. end_________________________________________________ Ok Dennis.. in looking under mother being alive and remarried to Peck I found: It appears the newspaper is 11 June 1964 Services held Friday for Bertha Peck Mrs. Bertha Mae Peck, 69, of Route 1, Rapid City, passed away at the Kalkaska Health Center, Tuesday, 2 June 1964, after having been a patient there for three weeks. She was born 31 Aug 1894 in Echo Township to Elmer and Ida Minor Lavanway and she moved to Rapid City in 1926. She was married to Harry Peck at Cadillac on 12 Oct 1946. Surviving are husband, Harry, 4 daughters Mrs. Myrtle Yoder of Rapid City Mrs. Marion Yoder of Elk Rapids Mrs. Clara Barnes of Kewadin Mrs. Marie Lawson of Cass City. 2 sisters, Lucy Misner of Lake Odessa and Olive Phiffer of Dearborn 3 bros., Edward Lavanway, Eben Lavanway, Elgin Lavanway and Edwin all of East Jorden. 28 gr-grandchildren; 2 gr gr grandchildren; 6 step-children numerous step-grandchildren. Preceded in death: First Husband Samuel Sutton three children in infancy, Louella, Dorothy, and Stanley Sutton and one son Harry Sutton of Grand Rapids. Funeral Services were held on 5 June 1964 at the Rapid City Church of Christ with Paul Stacy of the Kalkaska Church of Christ officiating. Burial was made in the Maple Grove Cemetery, Elk Rapids. end________________________________ there may be more obits.. and i have other records i can cross reference but this is for now. Good Luck Brenda K. Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore kingsley@aol.com http://members.aol.com/fiddlerben/gtindex.html surnames: Wolfgram, Kratochvil, Secor/Sicard, Jacques, Leguerre, Vallee and and

Do you have any Obits in Kalkaska co for Suttons? I am looking for Samuel H Sutton, who are his parents? Thanks Dennis Bradley

In a message dated 10/10/00 10:32:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ermazine@mail.tds.net writes: << Now question;;;I have several old,old pictures of my Woodward people which I am willing to share; I know there has to be some more Woodwards around the GT area; Is there a site for old photos? You have my persmission to use these two sheets of family history; just go to this site and scroll down to the very last one Woodward FGS >> Erma.. are you searching for a place for photos withOUT names? There is a site like that.. but the best place for any photos is the counties they were in. If they are not terribly huge I would be happy to add them to the http://members.aol.com/fiddlerben/kalkaska.html site. I have obituaries for Kalkaska from 1950 to 2000.. if you need any from that time frame. I see 3 Woodwards.. pages 322, 362 and 507 Page 322 - Oct 26,1972: Mrs. Nellie Woodward daughter of John and Jennie Huggins and married to John W. Woodward at Cincinnati, Ohio in 1943. Nellie was born 21 Dec 1906, at Detroit. The Woodwards moved to Kalkaska county about 1 1/2 years ago from Detroit. Surviving besides her husband are three sisters: Mrs Clarence Ehrler and Mrs. Hilda Fisher both of Detroit and Mrs. Norman Mutton of Florida Funeral services were held Monday, October 23 1972 from the McCabe Funeral Home in Detroit with the interment in Grand Lawn Cemetery, Detroit. Local Arrangements were by Schwartz-Wolfe Funeral Home end Page 362 of collection of obits. 2. John Woodward (wife, Nellie, above) of Mancelona, MI died at his home 10 Mar 1975. John was born 23 Mar 1910, at Detroit, the son of Walter and Winifred Woodward, both of whom preceded him in death. On 26 Feb 1943, he married Nellie Huggins in Cin Ohio. Mrs. Woodward died in Oct of 1972 Woodwards moved here from Detroit where Mr. Woodward retired from the Simon Patrick Paper Co. in 1970. He was a veteran of WW2 and a member of Charles Learned Post #1 American Legion. Surviving are one brother, Ralph of Rapid City and a niece Joanne Alm of Kalkaska. A brother preceded him in death. Funeral services were held, Thursday, 13 Mar 1975 from the McCabe Funeral Home in Detroit. Burial was in Grand Lawn Cemetery, Detroit, Friends called Tuesday evening at the Schwartz-Wolfg Funeral Home in Kalkaska. end 3. Ralph Woodward, age 68, of Kalkaska and Largo, Florida passed away Monday, 21 Feb at University Hospital in Largo. Woodward was a thirty year resident of Kalkaska, a past president of the P.T.A.; a Trustee of Kalkaska Memorial Hospital; member of the People's Church of Kalkaska; Twice MAster of Kalkaska Masonic Lodge; A WW2 Veteran and member of the Kalkaska Post V.F.W. He retired from Wayne Wire Products after twenty-five years. Woodward is survived by his wife, Louis; two daughters, Mrs James (Joanne) Evans of Kalkaska; Janice Gray of Grand Rapids; one son, John of San Rafaelle, Ca and 3 grandsons. A Masonic memorial service was held Friday the 25th at the Calvery United Methodist Church in Largo, Florida. end Good Luck.. mayhaps this is something you don't have. Brenda Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore kingsley@aol.com http://members.aol.com/fiddlerben/gtindex.html surnames: Wolfgram, Kratochvil, Secor/Sicard, Jacques, Leguerre, Vallee and and

Well, color me blind.. i see Kalamazoo 1880 census under MI but.. nada else.. i refreshed and that didn't help.. so.. help~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ Thanks Brenda In a message dated 10/1/00 4:48:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phlady@jump.net writes: << This includes links to information about the St. Joseph County Infirmary Cemetery and the list of residents of the poorhouse from the 1920 Census for Grand Traverse County. >> Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore kingsley@aol.com http://members.aol.com/fiddlerben/gtindex.html surnames: Wolfgram, Kratochvil, Secor/Sicard, Jacques, Leguerre, Vallee and and

I would like to invite you to visit my new website called The POORHOUSE STORY (which is a clearinghouse for information about 19th century American poorhouses) at http://www.poorhousestory.com We just added some poorhouse information to our MICHIGAN page. This includes links to information about the St. Joseph County Infirmary Cemetery and the list of residents of the poorhouse from the 1920 Census for Grand Traverse County. For those who have not visited The POORHOUSE STORY before, DIRECTIONS: once you are at the homepage, click on POORHOUSES BY STATE, then click on OTHER STATES, then click on MICHIGAN when you get to the table of states. You may also enjoy some other links off the homepage; these might include HISTORY (of the poorhouse system) and LETTER TO GENEALOGISTS We depend largely upon the submissions and tips of readers to help us increase the amount of information on this website. Let's see the information for MICHIGAN and your county increase soon! Hope you enjoy the site! Linda Crannell (aka=The Poorhouse Lady)

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