Sounds like Baltimore, Maryland, they have nightly drive bye and also walk bye shootings. They only have about 65,000 drug addicts(10% of population) and only 52% of the non white males have prison records. Needless to say I live in the County and seldom visit that esteemed city. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > and I thought Moss Side was bad....<GRIN> > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz Parkinson" <parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:14 PM > Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > >> Mike, nowadays you wouldnt want to visit Hulme, and if you did, you sure >> wouldnt recognise it - all 60s built flats and drugs and drive by > shooting - >> al ot of good positive stuff going on there as well, but it is a bad area >> now >> >> Liz >> >> >From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >> >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >> >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:41 -0500 >> > >> >I lived with my grandmother, mom and dad and younger brother for a short >> >time during the war in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire England. >> > >> >My gran lived in a one up and one down terraced house dating from around >> >1850. It had a small scullery with a door leading to a very small back > yard >> >which housed a toilet in a small building in the back yard. There was no >> >cellar. The ground floor flooring was sand stone paving stones. She had > one >> >cold water tap and a two ring gas burner with a grill. The oven was part > of >> >her fireplace. She made wonderful Sunday dinners, baked excellent pies >> >although fruit and sugar were scarce. The lighting was one gas lamp in > the >> >downstairs room. This was one of many terraced homes in the south part >> >of >> >Manchester. >> > >> >A lot of them were infested with large red flat bed bugs. I was told >> >many >> >years later this was due to them using horse hair to bond the plaster to >> >the >> >wood lathes on the walls and ceilings. But the war of the bugs is >> >another >> >story :)) >> > >> >Thanks for the memories......... :)) >> > >> >Mike Morris >> >Toronto Canada >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:23 PM >> >Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >> > >> > >> > > Roger: No wonder its called a close, thats 8 people in two rooms. >> > > >> > > Gordon >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:54 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi Mike, >> > > > Here is what I read before I had the advantage of your email! There >> >was >> >an >> > > > S on ATKIN >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > Edinburgh, Canongate >> > > > 685/3/31 page 5 >> > > > Old Church except North(?) Side from 242 - 254, inclusive. >> > > > Embracing >> > > > Pirrie's Close and Gibb's Close. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >> > > > 4 Pirrie's Close - 2 rooms with one window or more. >> > > > John ATKINS Head, M, 30.. ..Gold Beater, born England >> > > > Emma ATKINS, wife, M, 29...........born England >> > > > Matilda ATKINS, daur, 4, scholar... born England >> > > > William ATKINS, son, 2,.... born England >> > > > Eugenie (?) ATKINS daur, 1mo,.... born Edinburgh >> > > > John BRANNON, Boarder, M 29, Gold Beater ...born Edinburgh >> > > > Maud(?) BRANNON, Boarder, M, 25, Boarder.. born Manchester >> > > > Emma BRANNON Boarder, 11months..... born Edinburgh. >> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > (?) means I stuggled with the word and it is open to >> > > > interpretation. > 2 >> >of >> > > > us looked at Eugenie. >> > > > So we should have read Sarah! >> > > > I wrote no 4. Perhaps it was 6. There were several households at > each >> > > > number. >> > > > I didn't see Thomas. I looked at the rest of Pirrie's Close and > didn't >> > > > notice any other ATKINs. >> > > > >> > > > Hope this helps but I could look again another time if you want me > to >> > > > check or try to send you a copy. The machines with printers were > busy. >> > > > >> > > > Best Wishes, >> > > > Jane >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >> > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:53 PM >> > > > Subject: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> Hi Jane, >> > > >> Thank you for your generous offer. I really would appreciate it if >> >you >> > > >> can >> > > >> spare the time to look this up. >> > > >> >> > > >> The family lived at #6 Pirrie's Close in March of 1871. District >> > > >> Cannongate, >> > > >> Burgh of >> > > >> Edinburgh, Scotland. >> > > >> >> > > >> John Atkin Trade was a Goldbeater b1841 Salford Lancashire >> > > >> Wife Emma b1842 Salford >> > > >> Son Thomas b1862 England >> > > >> Dau Matilda B1867 Salford >> > > >> Son William b1869 Salford >> > > >> Dau Sarah Ann born 21 March 1871 at above listed address in > Scotland. >> > > >> >> > > >> Please could you also see if there are any other ATKIN families >> >living >> >in >> > > >> Pirrie's Close. I am curious to see if John ATKIN'S parents John > and >> >Mary >> > > >> ATKIN might be near by or some of his siblings. >> > > >> >> > > >> Best wishes >> > > >> Mike Morris >> > > >> Toronto Canada >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > > >> From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >> > > >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:41 AM >> > > >> Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> Hi Mike, >> > > >>> >> > > >>> If no previous offers, I will happily look up the 1871 Pirrie's >> >Close, >> > > >>> in >> > > >> my >> > > >>> lunch hour. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Best Wishes, >> > > >>> Jane <snip> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> -- >> > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >No virus found in this outgoing message. >> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >> > >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 > > >

I dont drive through that part of Manchester - the VERY occassions I have got lost and found myself there, all the windows and doors and locked on the car and get out as soon as possible Liz >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:55:42 -0400 > >Sounds like Baltimore, Maryland, they have nightly drive bye and also walk >bye shootings. They only have about 65,000 drug addicts(10% of population) >and only 52% of the non white males have prison records. Needless to say I >live in the County and seldom visit that esteemed city. > > Gordon >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:54 PM >Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > >>and I thought Moss Side was bad....<GRIN> >> >>Mike >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Parkinson" >><parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> >>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:14 PM >>Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >> >> >>>Mike, nowadays you wouldnt want to visit Hulme, and if you did, you sure >>>wouldnt recognise it - all 60s built flats and drugs and drive by >>shooting - >>>al ot of good positive stuff going on there as well, but it is a bad area >>>now >>> >>>Liz >>> >>> >From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> >Subject: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:41 -0500 >>> > >>> >I lived with my grandmother, mom and dad and younger brother for a >>>short >>> >time during the war in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire England. >>> > >>> >My gran lived in a one up and one down terraced house dating from >>>around >>> >1850. It had a small scullery with a door leading to a very small back >>yard >>> >which housed a toilet in a small building in the back yard. There was >>>no >>> >cellar. The ground floor flooring was sand stone paving stones. She had >>one >>> >cold water tap and a two ring gas burner with a grill. The oven was >>>part >>of >>> >her fireplace. She made wonderful Sunday dinners, baked excellent pies >>> >although fruit and sugar were scarce. The lighting was one gas lamp in >>the >>> >downstairs room. This was one of many terraced homes in the south part >>> >of >>> >Manchester. >>> > >>> >A lot of them were infested with large red flat bed bugs. I was told >>> >many >>> >years later this was due to them using horse hair to bond the plaster >>>to >>> >the >>> >wood lathes on the walls and ceilings. But the war of the bugs is >>> >another >>> >story :)) >>> > >>> >Thanks for the memories......... :)) >>> > >>> >Mike Morris >>> >Toronto Canada >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:23 PM >>> >Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> > >>> > >>> > > Roger: No wonder its called a close, thats 8 people in two rooms. >>> > > >>> > > Gordon >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:54 PM >>> > > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > Hi Mike, >>> > > > Here is what I read before I had the advantage of your email! >>>There >>> >was >>> >an >>> > > > S on ATKIN >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > > > Edinburgh, Canongate >>> > > > 685/3/31 page 5 >>> > > > Old Church except North(?) Side from 242 - 254, inclusive. > > > >>>Embracing >>> > > > Pirrie's Close and Gibb's Close. >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >>> > > > 4 Pirrie's Close - 2 rooms with one window or more. >>> > > > John ATKINS Head, M, 30.. ..Gold Beater, born England >>> > > > Emma ATKINS, wife, M, 29...........born England >>> > > > Matilda ATKINS, daur, 4, scholar... born England >>> > > > William ATKINS, son, 2,.... born England >>> > > > Eugenie (?) ATKINS daur, 1mo,.... born Edinburgh >>> > > > John BRANNON, Boarder, M 29, Gold Beater ...born Edinburgh >>> > > > Maud(?) BRANNON, Boarder, M, 25, Boarder.. born Manchester >>> > > > Emma BRANNON Boarder, 11months..... born Edinburgh. >>> > > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > > > (?) means I stuggled with the word and it is open to > > > >>>interpretation. >>2 >>> >of >>> > > > us looked at Eugenie. >>> > > > So we should have read Sarah! >>> > > > I wrote no 4. Perhaps it was 6. There were several households at >>each >>> > > > number. >>> > > > I didn't see Thomas. I looked at the rest of Pirrie's Close and >>didn't >>> > > > notice any other ATKINs. >>> > > > >>> > > > Hope this helps but I could look again another time if you want me >>to >>> > > > check or try to send you a copy. The machines with printers were >>busy. >>> > > > >>> > > > Best Wishes, >>> > > > Jane >>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>> > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:53 PM >>> > > > Subject: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >> Hi Jane, >>> > > >> Thank you for your generous offer. I really would appreciate it >>>if >>> >you >>> > > >> can >>> > > >> spare the time to look this up. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> The family lived at #6 Pirrie's Close in March of 1871. District >>> > > >> Cannongate, >>> > > >> Burgh of >>> > > >> Edinburgh, Scotland. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> John Atkin Trade was a Goldbeater b1841 Salford Lancashire >>> > > >> Wife Emma b1842 Salford >>> > > >> Son Thomas b1862 England >>> > > >> Dau Matilda B1867 Salford >>> > > >> Son William b1869 Salford >>> > > >> Dau Sarah Ann born 21 March 1871 at above listed address in >>Scotland. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Please could you also see if there are any other ATKIN families >>> >living >>> >in >>> > > >> Pirrie's Close. I am curious to see if John ATKIN'S parents John >>and >>> >Mary >>> > > >> ATKIN might be near by or some of his siblings. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Best wishes >>> > > >> Mike Morris >>> > > >> Toronto Canada >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > >> From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>> > > >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:41 AM >>> > > >> Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> Hi Mike, >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> If no previous offers, I will happily look up the 1871 Pirrie's >>> >Close, >>> > > >>> in >>> > > >> my >>> > > >>> lunch hour. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Best Wishes, >>> > > >>> Jane <snip> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> -- >>> > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> > > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> > > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: >>>3/18/05 >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >>> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >-- >>> >No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>> >>> >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 >> >> >> > >