Somehow or other, last night, I Filed this opus to Sonia (of Clutching at Straws) instead of Sending, and now, instead of continuing the clutching at straws thread, what the hell, I'll ask for help with my CONNELL mob, but this is what I meant to send. Sonia - here's another one, and of Midlothian origins at that, where the lady gets a younger man and with a vengeance. . In Melbourne in 1854, Agnes Georgina SWAYNE, a widow and a "Lady", married my widowed, 57 year old and rather rich ggggrandfather James CONNELL (b. "Newton" near Edinburgh abt.1796 according to Chelsea Pensioner papers but "Newtown" on second marriage certificate) stating that she was 47. The wedding was witnessed by her (we think) niece, Jean HILL nee YOUNG. Five years later, having inherited from James to the detriment of James' only child Mary Ann, Agnes Georgina died and was stated to be 67, the informant just happening to be niece's husband, who inherited all. A rapid ageing of 15 years in 5. The truly astounding thing to discover was that Agnes Georgina was in fact 71 when she married James. She had been christened at St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh, in 1783, daughter of James Lieutenant PEDDIE and Elizabeth YOUNG, married John WRIGHT in 1810, John SWAYNE in 1825, and came out to Australia (stated age 50 on the ship's list) with daughter Christiana in 1853. I wondered if I had missed another Agnes Georgina Peddie but the names of parents, place of birth, and number of children as given on her marriage certificate all accord with the above. Only the DOB/age is 24 years out! My cousin, a barrister, always thought there was something fishy about Agnes and the inheritance, but he didn't know that the discrepancy in age was 24 years not 15. How did she do it!!! What was going on? Did James Connell know? If anyone on the list has connections to any of the above, I would love to get in touch. To confuse things even further, there is the birth of a James Connell in Jan.1827 at Neilston, Renfrew, son of James Connell and Mary Young. In 1826, James may well have been in Scotland as he had contracted varicose veins "on the long march in Ireland" with his regiment, the 42nd, and was en route with first wife Mary SHINE of Adare Co. Limerick and daughter Mary Ann to Gibraltar where the rest of his regiment had already arrived. This may, of course, be sheer coincidence, but after unravelling the foregoing I don't know! Helen Australia.

This 71 year old "Lady" married a 57 year old man - a 14 year wrong-way age disparity. Obviously, her years didn't show. In the 19th century ladies wore hats and gloves to shelter them from the sun - no tanning then! - and carried sunshades, so their skin stayed soft and young looking far longer than our skin does today. When Karenhappuch Brown married William R. J. Chapman in 1887 in Norfolk, both were listed on the certificate as "of full age." It would have been a brave minister who asked the couple's ages - the groom was 23, the bride 37. I wonder if William ever knew Cary's true age! Happy hunting, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: Helen Ulmann [mailto:hulmann@tca-online.com.au] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:58 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] The Ages of Agnes Georgina PEDDIE-Wright-Swayne- CONNELL Somehow or other, last night, I Filed this opus to Sonia (of Clutching at Straws) instead of Sending, and now, instead of continuing the clutching at straws thread, what the hell, I'll ask for help with my CONNELL mob, but this is what I meant to send. Sonia - here's another one, and of Midlothian origins at that, where the lady gets a younger man and with a vengeance. . In Melbourne in 1854, Agnes Georgina SWAYNE, a widow and a "Lady", married my widowed, 57 year old and rather rich ggggrandfather James CONNELL (b. "Newton" near Edinburgh abt.1796 according to Chelsea Pensioner papers but "Newtown" on second marriage certificate) stating that she was 47. The wedding was witnessed by her (we think) niece, Jean HILL nee YOUNG. Five years later, having inherited from James to the detriment of James' only child Mary Ann, Agnes Georgina died and was stated to be 67, the informant just happening to be niece's husband, who inherited all. A rapid ageing of 15 years in 5. The truly astounding thing to discover was that Agnes Georgina was in fact 71 when she married James. She had been christened at St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh, in 1783, daughter of James Lieutenant PEDDIE and Elizabeth YOUNG, married John WRIGHT in 1810, John SWAYNE in 1825, and came out to Australia (stated age 50 on the ship's list) with daughter Christiana in 1853. I wondered if I had missed another Agnes Georgina Peddie but the names of parents, place of birth, and number of children as given on her marriage certificate all accord with the above. Only the DOB/age is 24 years out! My cousin, a barrister, always thought there was something fishy about Agnes and the inheritance, but he didn't know that the discrepancy in age was 24 years not 15. How did she do it!!! What was going on? Did James Connell know? If anyone on the list has connections to any of the above, I would love to get in touch. To confuse things even further, there is the birth of a James Connell in Jan.1827 at Neilston, Renfrew, son of James Connell and Mary Young. In 1826, James may well have been in Scotland as he had contracted varicose veins "on the long march in Ireland" with his regiment, the 42nd, and was en route with first wife Mary SHINE of Adare Co. Limerick and daughter Mary Ann to Gibraltar where the rest of his regiment had already arrived. This may, of course, be sheer coincidence, but after unravelling the foregoing I don't know! Helen Australia.

I was sure that i had seen every strangulation of English and old given names until is saw:Karenhappuch. I have soime dillies in my lines but none beats this!! Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: RE: [MLN] The Ages of Agnes Georgina PEDDIE-Wright-Swayne- CONNELL > This 71 year old "Lady" married a 57 year old man - a 14 year wrong-way > age > disparity. Obviously, her years didn't show. In the 19th century ladies > wore hats and gloves to shelter them from the sun - no tanning then! - and > carried sunshades, so their skin stayed soft and young looking far longer > than our skin does today. > > When Karenhappuch Brown married William R. J. Chapman in 1887 in Norfolk, > both were listed on the certificate as "of full age." It would have been > a > brave minister who asked the couple's ages - the groom was 23, the bride > 37. > I wonder if William ever knew Cary's true age! > > Happy hunting, > > Sonia > > -----Original Message----- > From: Helen Ulmann [mailto:hulmann@tca-online.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:58 PM > To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MLN] The Ages of Agnes Georgina PEDDIE-Wright-Swayne- CONNELL > > Somehow or other, last night, I Filed this opus to Sonia (of Clutching at > Straws) instead of Sending, and now, instead of continuing the clutching > at > straws thread, what the hell, I'll ask for help with my CONNELL mob, but > this is what I meant to send. > > Sonia - here's another one, and of Midlothian origins at that, where the > lady gets a younger man and with a vengeance. . In Melbourne in 1854, > Agnes > Georgina SWAYNE, a widow and a "Lady", married my widowed, 57 year old and > rather rich ggggrandfather James CONNELL (b. "Newton" near Edinburgh > abt.1796 according to Chelsea Pensioner papers but "Newtown" on second > marriage certificate) stating that she was 47. The wedding was witnessed > by > her (we think) niece, Jean HILL nee YOUNG. Five years later, having > inherited from James to the detriment of James' only child Mary Ann, Agnes > Georgina died and was stated to be 67, the informant just happening to be > niece's husband, who inherited all. A rapid ageing of 15 years in 5. > > The truly astounding thing to discover was that Agnes Georgina was in fact > 71 when she married James. She had been christened at St. Cuthberts, > Edinburgh, in 1783, daughter of James Lieutenant PEDDIE and Elizabeth > YOUNG, married John WRIGHT in 1810, John SWAYNE in 1825, and came out to > Australia (stated age 50 on the ship's list) with daughter Christiana in > 1853. I wondered if I had missed another Agnes Georgina Peddie but the > names > of parents, place of birth, and number of children as given on her > marriage > certificate all accord with the above. Only the DOB/age is 24 years out! > > My cousin, a barrister, always thought there was something fishy about > Agnes > and the inheritance, but he didn't know that the discrepancy in age was 24 > years not 15. How did she do it!!! What was going on? Did James Connell > know? > > If anyone on the list has connections to any of the above, I would love to > get in touch. > > To confuse things even further, there is the birth of a James Connell in > Jan.1827 at Neilston, Renfrew, son of James Connell and Mary Young. In > 1826, James may well have been in Scotland as he had contracted varicose > veins "on the long march in Ireland" with his regiment, the 42nd, and was > en > route with first wife Mary SHINE of Adare Co. Limerick and daughter Mary > Ann > to Gibraltar where the rest of his regiment had already arrived. This may, > of course, be sheer coincidence, but after unravelling the foregoing I > don't > know! > > Helen > Australia. > > > > >

It was a rare given name. When I looked for her in GRO records, I only found one other Karenhappuch surnamed Brown - and Brown is such a very common surname! Sonia -----Original Message----- From: gordon crooks [mailto:glcrooks@bcpl.net] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:29 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] The Ages of Agnes Georgina PEDDIE-Wright-Swayne- CONNELL I was sure that i had seen every strangulation of English and old given names until is saw:Karenhappuch. I have soime dillies in my lines but none beats this!! Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: RE: [MLN] The Ages of Agnes Georgina PEDDIE-Wright-Swayne- CONNELL > This 71 year old "Lady" married a 57 year old man - a 14 year wrong-way > age > disparity. Obviously, her years didn't show. In the 19th century ladies > wore hats and gloves to shelter them from the sun - no tanning then! - and > carried sunshades, so their skin stayed soft and young looking far longer > than our skin does today. > > When Karenhappuch Brown married William R. J. Chapman in 1887 in Norfolk, > both were listed on the certificate as "of full age." It would have been > a > brave minister who asked the couple's ages - the groom was 23, the bride > 37. > I wonder if William ever knew Cary's true age! > > Happy hunting, > > Sonia > > -----Original Message----- > From: Helen Ulmann [mailto:hulmann@tca-online.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:58 PM > To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MLN] The Ages of Agnes Georgina PEDDIE-Wright-Swayne- CONNELL > > Somehow or other, last night, I Filed this opus to Sonia (of Clutching at > Straws) instead of Sending, and now, instead of continuing the clutching > at > straws thread, what the hell, I'll ask for help with my CONNELL mob, but > this is what I meant to send. > > Sonia - here's another one, and of Midlothian origins at that, where the > lady gets a younger man and with a vengeance. . In Melbourne in 1854, > Agnes > Georgina SWAYNE, a widow and a "Lady", married my widowed, 57 year old and > rather rich ggggrandfather James CONNELL (b. "Newton" near Edinburgh > abt.1796 according to Chelsea Pensioner papers but "Newtown" on second > marriage certificate) stating that she was 47. The wedding was witnessed > by > her (we think) niece, Jean HILL nee YOUNG. Five years later, having > inherited from James to the detriment of James' only child Mary Ann, Agnes > Georgina died and was stated to be 67, the informant just happening to be > niece's husband, who inherited all. A rapid ageing of 15 years in 5. > > The truly astounding thing to discover was that Agnes Georgina was in fact > 71 when she married James. She had been christened at St. Cuthberts, > Edinburgh, in 1783, daughter of James Lieutenant PEDDIE and Elizabeth > YOUNG, married John WRIGHT in 1810, John SWAYNE in 1825, and came out to > Australia (stated age 50 on the ship's list) with daughter Christiana in > 1853. I wondered if I had missed another Agnes Georgina Peddie but the > names > of parents, place of birth, and number of children as given on her > marriage > certificate all accord with the above. Only the DOB/age is 24 years out! > > My cousin, a barrister, always thought there was something fishy about > Agnes > and the inheritance, but he didn't know that the discrepancy in age was 24 > years not 15. How did she do it!!! What was going on? Did James Connell > know? > > If anyone on the list has connections to any of the above, I would love to > get in touch. > > To confuse things even further, there is the birth of a James Connell in > Jan.1827 at Neilston, Renfrew, son of James Connell and Mary Young. In > 1826, James may well have been in Scotland as he had contracted varicose > veins "on the long march in Ireland" with his regiment, the 42nd, and was > en > route with first wife Mary SHINE of Adare Co. Limerick and daughter Mary > Ann > to Gibraltar where the rest of his regiment had already arrived. This may, > of course, be sheer coincidence, but after unravelling the foregoing I > don't > know! > > Helen > Australia. > > > > >

I wish I'd worn a hat! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [MLN] The Ages of Agnes Georgina PEDDIE-Wright-Swayne- CONNELL > This 71 year old "Lady" married a 57 year old man - a 14 year wrong-way > age > disparity. Obviously, her years didn't show. In the 19th century ladies > wore hats and gloves to shelter them from the sun - no tanning then! - and > carried sunshades, so their skin stayed soft and young looking far longer > than our skin does today. > > When Karenhappuch Brown married William R. J. Chapman in 1887 in Norfolk, > both were listed on the certificate as "of full age." It would have been > a > brave minister who asked the couple's ages - the groom was 23, the bride > 37. > I wonder if William ever knew Cary's true age! > > Happy hunting, > > Sonia > > -----Original Message----- > From: Helen Ulmann [mailto:hulmann@tca-online.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:58 PM > To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MLN] The Ages of Agnes Georgina PEDDIE-Wright-Swayne- CONNELL > > Somehow or other, last night, I Filed this opus to Sonia (of Clutching at > Straws) instead of Sending, and now, instead of continuing the clutching > at > straws thread, what the hell, I'll ask for help with my CONNELL mob, but > this is what I meant to send. > > Sonia - here's another one, and of Midlothian origins at that, where the > lady gets a younger man and with a vengeance. . In Melbourne in 1854, > Agnes > Georgina SWAYNE, a widow and a "Lady", married my widowed, 57 year old and > rather rich ggggrandfather James CONNELL (b. "Newton" near Edinburgh > abt.1796 according to Chelsea Pensioner papers but "Newtown" on second > marriage certificate) stating that she was 47. The wedding was witnessed > by > her (we think) niece, Jean HILL nee YOUNG. Five years later, having > inherited from James to the detriment of James' only child Mary Ann, Agnes > Georgina died and was stated to be 67, the informant just happening to be > niece's husband, who inherited all. A rapid ageing of 15 years in 5. > > The truly astounding thing to discover was that Agnes Georgina was in fact > 71 when she married James. She had been christened at St. Cuthberts, > Edinburgh, in 1783, daughter of James Lieutenant PEDDIE and Elizabeth > YOUNG, married John WRIGHT in 1810, John SWAYNE in 1825, and came out to > Australia (stated age 50 on the ship's list) with daughter Christiana in > 1853. I wondered if I had missed another Agnes Georgina Peddie but the > names > of parents, place of birth, and number of children as given on her > marriage > certificate all accord with the above. Only the DOB/age is 24 years out! > > My cousin, a barrister, always thought there was something fishy about > Agnes > and the inheritance, but he didn't know that the discrepancy in age was 24 > years not 15. How did she do it!!! What was going on? Did James Connell > know? > > If anyone on the list has connections to any of the above, I would love to > get in touch. > > To confuse things even further, there is the birth of a James Connell in > Jan.1827 at Neilston, Renfrew, son of James Connell and Mary Young. In > 1826, James may well have been in Scotland as he had contracted varicose > veins "on the long march in Ireland" with his regiment, the 42nd, and was > en > route with first wife Mary SHINE of Adare Co. Limerick and daughter Mary > Ann > to Gibraltar where the rest of his regiment had already arrived. This may, > of course, be sheer coincidence, but after unravelling the foregoing I > don't > know! > > Helen > Australia. > >