I lived with my grandmother, mom and dad and younger brother for a short time during the war in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire England. My gran lived in a one up and one down terraced house dating from around 1850. It had a small scullery with a door leading to a very small back yard which housed a toilet in a small building in the back yard. There was no cellar. The ground floor flooring was sand stone paving stones. She had one cold water tap and a two ring gas burner with a grill. The oven was part of her fireplace. She made wonderful Sunday dinners, baked excellent pies although fruit and sugar were scarce. The lighting was one gas lamp in the downstairs room. This was one of many terraced homes in the south part of Manchester. A lot of them were infested with large red flat bed bugs. I was told many years later this was due to them using horse hair to bond the plaster to the wood lathes on the walls and ceilings. But the war of the bugs is another story :)) Thanks for the memories......... :)) Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > Roger: No wonder its called a close, thats 8 people in two rooms. > > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:54 PM > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > Hi Mike, > > Here is what I read before I had the advantage of your email! There was an > > S on ATKIN > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Edinburgh, Canongate > > 685/3/31 page 5 > > Old Church except North(?) Side from 242 - 254, inclusive. Embracing > > Pirrie's Close and Gibb's Close. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > 4 Pirrie's Close - 2 rooms with one window or more. > > John ATKINS Head, M, 30.. ..Gold Beater, born England > > Emma ATKINS, wife, M, 29...........born England > > Matilda ATKINS, daur, 4, scholar... born England > > William ATKINS, son, 2,.... born England > > Eugenie (?) ATKINS daur, 1mo,.... born Edinburgh > > John BRANNON, Boarder, M 29, Gold Beater ...born Edinburgh > > Maud(?) BRANNON, Boarder, M, 25, Boarder.. born Manchester > > Emma BRANNON Boarder, 11months..... born Edinburgh. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > (?) means I stuggled with the word and it is open to interpretation. 2 of > > us looked at Eugenie. > > So we should have read Sarah! > > I wrote no 4. Perhaps it was 6. There were several households at each > > number. > > I didn't see Thomas. I looked at the rest of Pirrie's Close and didn't > > notice any other ATKINs. > > > > Hope this helps but I could look again another time if you want me to > > check or try to send you a copy. The machines with printers were busy. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Jane > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:53 PM > > Subject: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > > >> Hi Jane, > >> Thank you for your generous offer. I really would appreciate it if you > >> can > >> spare the time to look this up. > >> > >> The family lived at #6 Pirrie's Close in March of 1871. District > >> Cannongate, > >> Burgh of > >> Edinburgh, Scotland. > >> > >> John Atkin Trade was a Goldbeater b1841 Salford Lancashire > >> Wife Emma b1842 Salford > >> Son Thomas b1862 England > >> Dau Matilda B1867 Salford > >> Son William b1869 Salford > >> Dau Sarah Ann born 21 March 1871 at above listed address in Scotland. > >> > >> Please could you also see if there are any other ATKIN families living in > >> Pirrie's Close. I am curious to see if John ATKIN'S parents John and Mary > >> ATKIN might be near by or some of his siblings. > >> > >> Best wishes > >> Mike Morris > >> Toronto Canada > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> > >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:41 AM > >> Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > >> > >> > >>> Hi Mike, > >>> > >>> If no previous offers, I will happily look up the 1871 Pirrie's Close, > >>> in > >> my > >>> lunch hour. > >>> > >>> Best Wishes, > >>> Jane <snip> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05
Mike, nowadays you wouldnt want to visit Hulme, and if you did, you sure wouldnt recognise it - all 60s built flats and drugs and drive by shooting - al ot of good positive stuff going on there as well, but it is a bad area now Liz >From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:41 -0500 > >I lived with my grandmother, mom and dad and younger brother for a short >time during the war in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire England. > >My gran lived in a one up and one down terraced house dating from around >1850. It had a small scullery with a door leading to a very small back yard >which housed a toilet in a small building in the back yard. There was no >cellar. The ground floor flooring was sand stone paving stones. She had one >cold water tap and a two ring gas burner with a grill. The oven was part of >her fireplace. She made wonderful Sunday dinners, baked excellent pies >although fruit and sugar were scarce. The lighting was one gas lamp in the >downstairs room. This was one of many terraced homes in the south part of >Manchester. > >A lot of them were infested with large red flat bed bugs. I was told many >years later this was due to them using horse hair to bond the plaster to >the >wood lathes on the walls and ceilings. But the war of the bugs is another >story :)) > >Thanks for the memories......... :)) > >Mike Morris >Toronto Canada >----- Original Message ----- >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:23 PM >Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > Roger: No wonder its called a close, thats 8 people in two rooms. > > > > Gordon > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > Here is what I read before I had the advantage of your email! There >was >an > > > S on ATKIN > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Edinburgh, Canongate > > > 685/3/31 page 5 > > > Old Church except North(?) Side from 242 - 254, inclusive. Embracing > > > Pirrie's Close and Gibb's Close. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > > 4 Pirrie's Close - 2 rooms with one window or more. > > > John ATKINS Head, M, 30.. ..Gold Beater, born England > > > Emma ATKINS, wife, M, 29...........born England > > > Matilda ATKINS, daur, 4, scholar... born England > > > William ATKINS, son, 2,.... born England > > > Eugenie (?) ATKINS daur, 1mo,.... born Edinburgh > > > John BRANNON, Boarder, M 29, Gold Beater ...born Edinburgh > > > Maud(?) BRANNON, Boarder, M, 25, Boarder.. born Manchester > > > Emma BRANNON Boarder, 11months..... born Edinburgh. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (?) means I stuggled with the word and it is open to interpretation. 2 >of > > > us looked at Eugenie. > > > So we should have read Sarah! > > > I wrote no 4. Perhaps it was 6. There were several households at each > > > number. > > > I didn't see Thomas. I looked at the rest of Pirrie's Close and didn't > > > notice any other ATKINs. > > > > > > Hope this helps but I could look again another time if you want me to > > > check or try to send you a copy. The machines with printers were busy. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Jane > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:53 PM > > > Subject: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > > > > > >> Hi Jane, > > >> Thank you for your generous offer. I really would appreciate it if >you > > >> can > > >> spare the time to look this up. > > >> > > >> The family lived at #6 Pirrie's Close in March of 1871. District > > >> Cannongate, > > >> Burgh of > > >> Edinburgh, Scotland. > > >> > > >> John Atkin Trade was a Goldbeater b1841 Salford Lancashire > > >> Wife Emma b1842 Salford > > >> Son Thomas b1862 England > > >> Dau Matilda B1867 Salford > > >> Son William b1869 Salford > > >> Dau Sarah Ann born 21 March 1871 at above listed address in Scotland. > > >> > > >> Please could you also see if there are any other ATKIN families >living >in > > >> Pirrie's Close. I am curious to see if John ATKIN'S parents John and >Mary > > >> ATKIN might be near by or some of his siblings. > > >> > > >> Best wishes > > >> Mike Morris > > >> Toronto Canada > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> > > >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:41 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > >> > > >> > > >>> Hi Mike, > > >>> > > >>> If no previous offers, I will happily look up the 1871 Pirrie's >Close, > > >>> in > > >> my > > >>> lunch hour. > > >>> > > >>> Best Wishes, > > >>> Jane <snip> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >
and I thought Moss Side was bad....<GRIN> Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Parkinson" <parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:14 PM Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > Mike, nowadays you wouldnt want to visit Hulme, and if you did, you sure > wouldnt recognise it - all 60s built flats and drugs and drive by shooting - > al ot of good positive stuff going on there as well, but it is a bad area > now > > Liz > > >From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> > >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:41 -0500 > > > >I lived with my grandmother, mom and dad and younger brother for a short > >time during the war in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire England. > > > >My gran lived in a one up and one down terraced house dating from around > >1850. It had a small scullery with a door leading to a very small back yard > >which housed a toilet in a small building in the back yard. There was no > >cellar. The ground floor flooring was sand stone paving stones. She had one > >cold water tap and a two ring gas burner with a grill. The oven was part of > >her fireplace. She made wonderful Sunday dinners, baked excellent pies > >although fruit and sugar were scarce. The lighting was one gas lamp in the > >downstairs room. This was one of many terraced homes in the south part of > >Manchester. > > > >A lot of them were infested with large red flat bed bugs. I was told many > >years later this was due to them using horse hair to bond the plaster to > >the > >wood lathes on the walls and ceilings. But the war of the bugs is another > >story :)) > > > >Thanks for the memories......... :)) > > > >Mike Morris > >Toronto Canada > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:23 PM > >Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > > > > Roger: No wonder its called a close, thats 8 people in two rooms. > > > > > > Gordon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:54 PM > > > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Here is what I read before I had the advantage of your email! There > >was > >an > > > > S on ATKIN > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > Edinburgh, Canongate > > > > 685/3/31 page 5 > > > > Old Church except North(?) Side from 242 - 254, inclusive. Embracing > > > > Pirrie's Close and Gibb's Close. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > > > 4 Pirrie's Close - 2 rooms with one window or more. > > > > John ATKINS Head, M, 30.. ..Gold Beater, born England > > > > Emma ATKINS, wife, M, 29...........born England > > > > Matilda ATKINS, daur, 4, scholar... born England > > > > William ATKINS, son, 2,.... born England > > > > Eugenie (?) ATKINS daur, 1mo,.... born Edinburgh > > > > John BRANNON, Boarder, M 29, Gold Beater ...born Edinburgh > > > > Maud(?) BRANNON, Boarder, M, 25, Boarder.. born Manchester > > > > Emma BRANNON Boarder, 11months..... born Edinburgh. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > (?) means I stuggled with the word and it is open to interpretation. 2 > >of > > > > us looked at Eugenie. > > > > So we should have read Sarah! > > > > I wrote no 4. Perhaps it was 6. There were several households at each > > > > number. > > > > I didn't see Thomas. I looked at the rest of Pirrie's Close and didn't > > > > notice any other ATKINs. > > > > > > > > Hope this helps but I could look again another time if you want me to > > > > check or try to send you a copy. The machines with printers were busy. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Jane > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> > > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:53 PM > > > > Subject: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Jane, > > > >> Thank you for your generous offer. I really would appreciate it if > >you > > > >> can > > > >> spare the time to look this up. > > > >> > > > >> The family lived at #6 Pirrie's Close in March of 1871. District > > > >> Cannongate, > > > >> Burgh of > > > >> Edinburgh, Scotland. > > > >> > > > >> John Atkin Trade was a Goldbeater b1841 Salford Lancashire > > > >> Wife Emma b1842 Salford > > > >> Son Thomas b1862 England > > > >> Dau Matilda B1867 Salford > > > >> Son William b1869 Salford > > > >> Dau Sarah Ann born 21 March 1871 at above listed address in Scotland. > > > >> > > > >> Please could you also see if there are any other ATKIN families > >living > >in > > > >> Pirrie's Close. I am curious to see if John ATKIN'S parents John and > >Mary > > > >> ATKIN might be near by or some of his siblings. > > > >> > > > >> Best wishes > > > >> Mike Morris > > > >> Toronto Canada > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> > > > >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:41 AM > > > >> Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> Hi Mike, > > > >>> > > > >>> If no previous offers, I will happily look up the 1871 Pirrie's > >Close, > > > >>> in > > > >> my > > > >>> lunch hour. > > > >>> > > > >>> Best Wishes, > > > >>> Jane <snip> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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