Tammy, unfortunately the records from March 1689 to August 1738 simply have not survived. (even the baptismal register prior to 1689 is only an 18th? century copy of the original). The registers must have been lost at some time before 1855. In that year, all the birth, death and marriage registers of the Church of Scotland up to 1854 were brought in to be preserved at the General Register Office. Albert In a message dated 11/11/2009 19:16:36 GMT Standard Time, ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca writes: My reason for writing, is to ask if there is any way to gain access to the Ratho records for the period of 1690-1737

Albert and Tammy, I also have been seeking records from Ratho's missing period 1690-Aug 173, searching for the ancestors & children of these two George Lauders. 25 May 1727 George Lauder & Elizabeth Brown married in Kirknewton/East Calder 22 Nov 1728 George Lauder & Jean Walker married in Ratho 6 May 1739 George Lauder born in Ratho parents: George Lauder & Elspeth Brown 3 Feb 1753 George Lauder born in Currie parents: George Lauder & Elizabeth Brown Curiously, ScotlandsPeople has the 1728 marriage of one George Lauder from Ratho's missing period, as it does for George Lauder & Eliz Brown's marriage in nearby Mid-Calder in 1727. Then it has the 1739 birth of George Lauder in Ratho, to that earlier George Lauder couple from Mid-Calder, which same couple then moved to Currie by 1753, I am trying to determine whether the same couple were pre-1739 parents to my gggg-grandfather Thomas Lauder, who married Margaret Aikman in Currie in 1765 & became a snuff miller in EastMiln in Kinleith, Currie until his death in 1804 There is a good possibility that such Lauders from around Ratho would be descendants of cadet branches from the Lauders of Haltoun, since the principle Haltoun estate was located at Ratho, although the main branch of that Lauder family had folded into the Maitland / Lauderdale family in the mid-1600s. Does anyone know whether the Lauder/Maitland family would have retained separate private records during that Ratho missing period which could somehow still be accessed? By the way, it was the grandson of this same Thomas Lauder, George Lauder (1815-1901) of Dunfermline, who founded Lauder College (recently changed to Carnegie College), in order to realize the dream of providing poor Scots a free education. William -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RussellAlb@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:14 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Locating Ratho Records 1690-1737 Tammy, unfortunately the records from March 1689 to August 1738 simply have not survived. (even the baptismal register prior to 1689 is only an 18th? century copy of the original). The registers must have been lost at some time before 1855. In that year, all the birth, death and marriage registers of the Church of Scotland up to 1854 were brought in to be preserved at the General Register Office. Albert In a message dated 11/11/2009 19:16:36 GMT Standard Time, ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca writes: My reason for writing, is to ask if there is any way to gain access to the Ratho records for the period of 1690-1737 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've read that sometims births, marriages and deaths were noted in Kirk sessions.  There are apparently Kirk session records for Ratho available, but only at NAS in Scotland.  Does anyone know of any other way to access those records? Mary in FL --- On Fri, 11/13/09, William Garner <william@wgarner.com> wrote: From: William Garner <william@wgarner.com> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Locating Ratho Records 1690-1738: George Lauder To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:20 AM Albert and Tammy, I also have been seeking records from Ratho's missing period 1690-Aug 173, searching for the ancestors & children of these two George Lauders. 25 May 1727    George Lauder & Elizabeth Brown married in Kirknewton/East Calder 22 Nov 1728 George Lauder & Jean Walker married in Ratho 6 May 1739    George Lauder born in Ratho        parents: George Lauder & Elspeth Brown 3 Feb 1753    George Lauder born in Currie         parents: George Lauder & Elizabeth Brown Curiously, ScotlandsPeople has the 1728 marriage of one George Lauder from Ratho's missing period, as it does for George Lauder & Eliz Brown's marriage in nearby Mid-Calder in 1727.  Then it has the 1739 birth of George Lauder in Ratho, to that earlier George Lauder couple from Mid-Calder, which same couple then moved to Currie by 1753,  I am trying to determine whether the same couple were pre-1739 parents to my gggg-grandfather Thomas Lauder, who married Margaret Aikman in Currie in 1765 & became a snuff miller in EastMiln in Kinleith, Currie until his death in 1804    There is a good possibility that such Lauders from around Ratho would be descendants of cadet branches from the Lauders of Haltoun, since the principle Haltoun estate was located at Ratho, although the main branch of that Lauder family had folded into the Maitland / Lauderdale family in the mid-1600s.  Does anyone know whether the Lauder/Maitland family would have retained separate private records during that Ratho missing period which could somehow still be accessed?  By the way, it was the grandson of this same Thomas Lauder, George Lauder (1815-1901) of Dunfermline, who founded Lauder College (recently changed to Carnegie College), in order to realize the dream of providing poor Scots a free education. William  -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RussellAlb@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:14 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Locating Ratho Records 1690-1737 Tammy, unfortunately the records from March 1689 to August 1738 simply have not  survived. (even the baptismal register prior to 1689 is only an 18th?  century copy of the original). The registers must have been lost at some time before 1855. In that  year, all the birth, death and marriage registers of the Church of  Scotland up to 1854 were brought in to be preserved at the General  Register Office. Albert In a message dated 11/11/2009 19:16:36 GMT Standard Time,  ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca writes: My  reason for writing, is to ask if there is any way to gain access to the  Ratho records for the period of 1690-1737 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, Thank you for calling attention to those Ratho Kirk session records. I telephoned to the NAS and they confirmed that they do indeed hold all such Church of Scotland Ratho session records from 1683 thru 1947, but that theses records belong to the Church of Scotland, and therefore have not been incorporated into the online data available through ScotlandsPeople (a joint project of NAS & General Registry). Thus it was only the Parish / administrative records during 1690-1738 from Ratho which are missing. The only way to access those Kirk Session records, I am told, is for yourself or a friend/genealogist in your behalf actually to visit those NAS archives and research them personally (e.g., genealogists from www.asgra.co.uk ). William -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Guler Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:13 AM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Locating Ratho Records 1690-1738: George Lauder I've read that sometims births, marriages and deaths were noted in Kirk sessions.  There are apparently Kirk session records for Ratho available, but only at NAS in Scotland.  Does anyone know of any other way to access those records? Mary in FL --- On Fri, 11/13/09, William Garner <william@wgarner.com> wrote: From: William Garner <william@wgarner.com> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Locating Ratho Records 1690-1738: George Lauder To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:20 AM Albert and Tammy, I also have been seeking records from Ratho's missing period 1690-Aug 173, searching for the ancestors & children of these two George Lauders. 25 May 1727    George Lauder & Elizabeth Brown married in Kirknewton/East Calder 22 Nov 1728 George Lauder & Jean Walker married in Ratho 6 May 1739    George Lauder born in Ratho        parents: George Lauder & Elspeth Brown 3 Feb 1753    George Lauder born in Currie         parents: George Lauder & Elizabeth Brown Curiously, ScotlandsPeople has the 1728 marriage of one George Lauder from Ratho's missing period, as it does for George Lauder & Eliz Brown's marriage in nearby Mid-Calder in 1727.  Then it has the 1739 birth of George Lauder in Ratho, to that earlier George Lauder couple from Mid-Calder, which same couple then moved to Currie by 1753,  I am trying to determine whether the same couple were pre-1739 parents to my gggg-grandfather Thomas Lauder, who married Margaret Aikman in Currie in 1765 & became a snuff miller in EastMiln in Kinleith, Currie until his death in 1804    There is a good possibility that such Lauders from around Ratho would be descendants of cadet branches from the Lauders of Haltoun, since the principle Haltoun estate was located at Ratho, although the main branch of that Lauder family had folded into the Maitland / Lauderdale family in the mid-1600s.  Does anyone know whether the Lauder/Maitland family would have retained separate private records during that Ratho missing period which could somehow still be accessed?  By the way, it was the grandson of this same Thomas Lauder, George Lauder (1815-1901) of Dunfermline, who founded Lauder College (recently changed to Carnegie College), in order to realize the dream of providing poor Scots a free education. William  -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RussellAlb@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:14 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Locating Ratho Records 1690-1737 Tammy, unfortunately the records from March 1689 to August 1738 simply have not  survived. (even the baptismal register prior to 1689 is only an 18th?  century copy of the original). The registers must have been lost at some time before 1855. In that  year, all the birth, death and marriage registers of the Church of  Scotland up to 1854 were brought in to be preserved at the General  Register Office. Albert In a message dated 11/11/2009 19:16:36 GMT Standard Time,  ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca writes: My  reason for writing, is to ask if there is any way to gain access to the  Ratho records for the period of 1690-1737 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message