Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to waste money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people have? (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) I am looking for the birth of my great, great grandmother, Elizabeth Maxwell Irvine Payne abt 1847 - we believe Scotland, and or her two sisters, Jemima Harrison Lamond Payne abt 1843 - Catherine Hathie Lamond Payne abt 1845. Their parents were married 1841 Gorbals, Lanark. Elizabeth was married 1869 Tradestone Glasgow. I can not seem to find them on Scotlandspeople, or I am doing something wrong? kindest regards from South Africa MARK A BARKER MARK A BARKER P R E T O R I A

Who were their parents? Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Barker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on > Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to waste > money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people have? > (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) > > > I am looking for the birth of my great, great grandmother, Elizabeth > Maxwell Irvine Payne abt 1847 - we believe Scotland, and or her two > sisters, Jemima Harrison Lamond Payne abt 1843 - Catherine Hathie Lamond > Payne abt 1845. Their parents were married 1841 Gorbals, Lanark. Elizabeth > was married 1869 Tradestone Glasgow. > > I can not seem to find them on Scotlandspeople, or I am doing something > wrong? > > > > kindest regards from South Africa > > > MARK A BARKER > > MARK A BARKER > P R E T O R I A > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Julie - their parents were John Hurrel William Payne and Elizabeth Lamond. Kind regards Mark Barker ----- Original Message ----- From: "julie tyrell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > Who were their parents? > > Julie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Barker" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:13 PM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > > >> Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on >> Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to >> waste >> money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people >> have? >> (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) >> >> >> I am looking for the birth of my great, great grandmother, Elizabeth >> Maxwell Irvine Payne abt 1847 - we believe Scotland, and or her two >> sisters, Jemima Harrison Lamond Payne abt 1843 - Catherine Hathie Lamond >> Payne abt 1845. Their parents were married 1841 Gorbals, Lanark. >> Elizabeth >> was married 1869 Tradestone Glasgow. >> >> I can not seem to find them on Scotlandspeople, or I am doing something >> wrong? >> >> >> >> kindest regards from South Africa >> >> >> MARK A BARKER >> >> MARK A BARKER >> P R E T O R I A >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: > 2008/02/08 08:12 PM >

Hi Mark I am not sure either why their births are not available apart from the reasons given by other listers. Do you have John H W Payne birth?? regards Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Barker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > Hi Julie - their parents were John Hurrel William Payne and Elizabeth > Lamond. > > > Kind regards > > Mark Barker > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "julie tyrell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > > >> Who were their parents? >> >> Julie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Barker" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:13 PM >> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) >> >> >>> Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on >>> Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to >>> waste >>> money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people >>> have? >>> (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) >>> >>> >>> I am looking for the birth of my great, great grandmother, Elizabeth >>> Maxwell Irvine Payne abt 1847 - we believe Scotland, and or her two >>> sisters, Jemima Harrison Lamond Payne abt 1843 - Catherine Hathie >>> Lamond >>> Payne abt 1845. Their parents were married 1841 Gorbals, Lanark. >>> Elizabeth >>> was married 1869 Tradestone Glasgow. >>> >>> I can not seem to find them on Scotlandspeople, or I am doing something >>> wrong? >>> >>> >>> >>> kindest regards from South Africa >>> >>> >>> MARK A BARKER >>> >>> MARK A BARKER >>> P R E T O R I A >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: >> 2008/02/08 08:12 PM >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the 1851 census it states that all three girls were born in Glasgow. regards Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Barker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on > Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to waste > money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people have? > (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) > > > I am looking for the birth of my great, great grandmother, Elizabeth > Maxwell Irvine Payne abt 1847 - we believe Scotland, and or her two > sisters, Jemima Harrison Lamond Payne abt 1843 - Catherine Hathie Lamond > Payne abt 1845. Their parents were married 1841 Gorbals, Lanark. Elizabeth > was married 1869 Tradestone Glasgow. > > I can not seem to find them on Scotlandspeople, or I am doing something > wrong? > > > > kindest regards from South Africa > > > MARK A BARKER > > MARK A BARKER > P R E T O R I A > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Snip > Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on > Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to waste > money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people have? > (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) Good evening Mark, Don't mean to be negative but there are many gaps in the OPR's ( pre 1855 registrations) The Old Parish Registers (OPR's) comprise the records of births & baptisms, banns & marriages and deaths & burials kept by individual parishes of the Established Church (Church of Scotland) before the introduction of civil registration in 1855. The parish minister or the session clerk usually assumed responsibility for maintaining the registers, but since there was no standard format employed, record keeping varied enormously from parish to parish and also from year to year. Registration in Church of Scotland's registers was costly and unpopular, so many people did not bother to register events at all. One has to take this into consideration along with religeon of the person sought. I.E. A few RC Birth's and Marriages turn up . I often refer to the "Kirk Session Minutes " for the Church of Scotland & Secession Churches , There are also some records of other denominations, such as the Congregational, Methodist, Unitarian churches, as well as records of Quakers. The Kirk Session Minutes contain records of fornication, poor rolls, mortcloth accounts (good for finding deaths) and some baptisms and marriages not entered in the Old Parish Registers Unfortunately ,while most are now digitised at NAS , they are not (yet) available on SP .. Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh Scotland.

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 20:13:12 +0200, you wrote: >Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to waste money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people have? (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) > > You have had good advice from other posters. I personally stay away from Origins in all its varieties. David