Sue, I am not a resident of Edinburgh, but I checked my postal address book and find 78-134 Pleasance has the post code EH8 9TJ. If you go into one of the Streetmap websites and enter the code you will get a map of the location. It won't tll you anything about the buildings unfortunately, and it is sometime since I was there so I don't know if the original buildings stand. I always thought that a Victual dealer sold foodstuffs, and not strong drink exclusively. Are you sure that it was a pub ? Archie Gilbert, Kinross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Barker" <jsbarker@gidgenet.com.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:57 AM Subject: [MLN] 96 Pleasance > > Hello Listers, > I have found my ancestor John Brown (Victual Dealer) living at 96 > Pleasance in the 1841 census and the Edinburgh/Leith directory 1842/43. > Would any kind person who lives in the area know if there is or was an > Inn (hotel) at this address. > Would any of the original housing still be there? > This John Brown lived at 100 Pleasance in the 1851 census. > Being a Victual Dealer might mean that he only sold liquor and did not > run an Inn. Is there any list of Inn's for Edinburgh on the internet? > Also this John Brown and his son John Brown died in this area. > John Brown snr died 27 Feb 1853 aged 72yrs and John Brown jnr died Feb > 1842 aged 24yrs. > Where would they have been buried and is there any MI's I could chase > up? > Thanking you all for any help. > Sue Barker > Gidgegannup Western Australia > > > > > >

Hello Archie, Thank you for your advice, I already have a street map of the area. I have always thought a Victual dealer was a spirit dealer as one of my other ancestors was a Victual dealer and ran an Inn and called himself a spirit dealer as one of his occupations. But on checking some of the occupations sites I do see that it is a seller of food/drink How would a Victual dealer sell his wares, from a shop? Sue Barker Gidgegannup Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: Archie Gilbert [mailto:agilbert@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 14 February 2005 7:01 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Spam] Re: [MLN] 96 Pleasance Sue, I am not a resident of Edinburgh, but I checked my postal address book and find 78-134 Pleasance has the post code EH8 9TJ. If you go into one of the Streetmap websites and enter the code you will get a map of the location. It won't tll you anything about the buildings unfortunately, and it is sometime since I was there so I don't know if the original buildings stand. I always thought that a Victual dealer sold foodstuffs, and not strong drink exclusively. Are you sure that it was a pub ? Archie Gilbert, Kinross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Barker" <jsbarker@gidgenet.com.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:57 AM Subject: [MLN] 96 Pleasance > > Hello Listers, > I have found my ancestor John Brown (Victual Dealer) living at 96 > Pleasance in the 1841 census and the Edinburgh/Leith directory 1842/43. > Would any kind person who lives in the area know if there is or was an > Inn (hotel) at this address. > Would any of the original housing still be there? > This John Brown lived at 100 Pleasance in the 1851 census. > Being a Victual Dealer might mean that he only sold liquor and did not > run an Inn. Is there any list of Inn's for Edinburgh on the internet? > Also this John Brown and his son John Brown died in this area. > John Brown snr died 27 Feb 1853 aged 72yrs and John Brown jnr died Feb > 1842 aged 24yrs. > Where would they have been buried and is there any MI's I could chase > up? > Thanking you all for any help. > Sue Barker > Gidgegannup Western Australia > > > > > >

Hi Sue, Yes, I think he would sell from a shop. I'm not sure if it would be a shop as we know them now. My wife's granny was widowed at the age of 45 with 12 children, 6 of whom were under 12 yrs old and one unborn, and she set up a shop by partitioning one of the 2 rooms in the shale worker's house. She managed to support the non- working family successfully, no doubt with help from the older members. Archie Gilbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Barker" <jsbarker@gidgenet.com.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:26 AM Subject: RE: [Spam] Re: [MLN] 96 Pleasance > > Hello Archie, > Thank you for your advice, I already have a street map of the area. > I have always thought a Victual dealer was a spirit dealer as one of my > other ancestors was a Victual dealer and ran an Inn and called himself a > spirit dealer as one of his occupations. But on checking some of the > occupations sites I do see that it is a seller of food/drink > How would a Victual dealer sell his wares, from a shop? > Sue Barker > Gidgegannup Western Australia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Archie Gilbert [mailto:agilbert@clara.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, 14 February 2005 7:01 AM > To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Spam] Re: [MLN] 96 Pleasance > > Sue, > I am not a resident of Edinburgh, but I checked my postal address > book and find 78-134 Pleasance has the post code EH8 9TJ. If you go into > one > of the Streetmap websites and enter the code you will get a map of the > location. It won't tll you anything about the buildings unfortunately, > and > it is sometime since I was there so I don't know if the original > buildings > stand. > I always thought that a Victual dealer sold foodstuffs, and not strong > drink > exclusively. Are you sure that it was a pub ? > > Archie Gilbert, Kinross. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Barker" <jsbarker@gidgenet.com.au> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:57 AM > Subject: [MLN] 96 Pleasance > > > > > > Hello Listers, > > I have found my ancestor John Brown (Victual Dealer) living at 96 > > Pleasance in the 1841 census and the Edinburgh/Leith directory > 1842/43. > > Would any kind person who lives in the area know if there is or was an > > Inn (hotel) at this address. > > Would any of the original housing still be there? > > This John Brown lived at 100 Pleasance in the 1851 census. > > Being a Victual Dealer might mean that he only sold liquor and did not > > run an Inn. Is there any list of Inn's for Edinburgh on the internet? > > Also this John Brown and his son John Brown died in this area. > > John Brown snr died 27 Feb 1853 aged 72yrs and John Brown jnr died Feb > > 1842 aged 24yrs. > > Where would they have been buried and is there any MI's I could chase > > up? > > Thanking you all for any help. > > Sue Barker > > Gidgegannup Western Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >