My gggg-grandparents, Thomas Lauder (b.1748, St Cuthbert's, Edinburgh) & Margaret Aikman from Currie, named their sons, James (b.1766, Currie), Thomas (b.1775, Currie) and George (b.1784, Currie), which seemed to follow the traditional naming custom, since James Lawther (b.1720 in Glencorse, later shoemaker in Edinburgh) and his wife Elizabeth Smith appear to have been the parents of Thomas (b.1748), James (b.1750, St Cuthbert's) and George (b. 1752, St Cuthbert's). However, contrary to the traditional custom of naming first born sons after the paternal grandfather, all three of Thomas Lauder's sons, in their turn, named their first born sons "GEORGE": the first son of James (b.1766) was George Lauder (b.1801, Gladmuir, Longniddrie, East Lothian); the first son of Thomas (b.1775) was George Lauder (b. 1798, St Cuthbert's); & the first born son of George (b.1784) was George Lauder (b. 1815, Dunfermline), from whom I descend. Although the name George already existed in the family as the great-uncle George (b.1752 as the younger brother of Thomas b.1748) and George was the name of the last Lauder of Bass in the mid-1600s, these sources do not seem sufficient to explain such surprising uniformity amongst three brothers against the traditional naming custom. So I ask, was there some political currency or reasons of patriotism during the period post- 1784 period and especially around 1798-1801 for Scots to name their first born sons "George" after then reigning King "George"? William Garner

William,            I suspect that the George derives as you suggest from King George but it may have been to honour uncle George (was he rich and childless or did he die just before these sons were born?)  However my greatest interst is in Thomas Lauder wjho married Margaret Aikman. I descend form a Robert Lauder of throsk who married a Grizzel Aikman in 1946 in St Ninians. Is there a kinship link to your Lauders. We believe Robert was the son of John Lauder and Janet Row and that John was the son of William Lauder and Margaret Wilsone.          Georges do appear in the line but not till 1830 and no Thomases appear so I have my doubts but Lauder - Aikman marriages cannot be that common!                         Moira ________________________________ From: William Garner <william@wgarner.com> To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 26 September, 2009 2:55:01 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? My gggg-grandparents, Thomas Lauder (b.1748, St Cuthbert's, Edinburgh) & Margaret Aikman from Currie, named their sons, James (b.1766, Currie), Thomas (b.1775, Currie) and George (b.1784, Currie), which seemed to follow the traditional naming custom, since James Lawther (b.1720 in Glencorse, later shoemaker in Edinburgh)  and his wife Elizabeth Smith appear to have been the parents of Thomas (b.1748), James (b.1750, St Cuthbert's) and George (b. 1752, St Cuthbert's).  However, contrary to the traditional custom of naming first born sons after the paternal grandfather,  all three of Thomas Lauder's sons, in their turn, named their first born sons "GEORGE":  the first son of James (b.1766) was George Lauder (b.1801, Gladmuir, Longniddrie, East Lothian); the first son of Thomas (b.1775) was George Lauder (b. 1798, St Cuthbert's); & the first born son of George (b.1784) was George Lauder (b. 1815, Dunfermline), from whom I descend. Although the name George already existed in the family as the great-uncle George (b.1752 as the younger brother of Thomas b.1748) and George was the name of the last Lauder of Bass in the mid-1600s, these sources do not seem sufficient to explain such surprising uniformity amongst three brothers against the traditional  naming custom.  So I ask, was there some political currency or reasons of patriotism during the period post- 1784 period and especially around 1798-1801 for Scots to name their first born sons "George" after then reigning King "George"?  William Garner ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Moira, There is of course a big gap of 175 years between the Lauder-Aikman marriages! Let's look for others in between. But to help determine how closely related were our two Lauder families ,during the late 1700s and early 1800s, I would need to know the birth and death date as well as the localities of your earliest known George Lauder from ca 1830 and if possible the name of his parents and siblings. There was a John Lauder who in 1771 in Currie witnessed the baptisms of three children of Thomas Lauder and Margaret Aikman. Embarrassingly enough, there was also a John Lauder born illegitimately in 1809 in Markench (near Glenrothes) to my ggg-grandfather George Lauder (b.1784) with Margaret Brown, but I have no information about whose possible marriage or descendents of this John Lauder. No Thomases appeared among our own future generations of Lauders either, almost exclusively Georges, so this seems less significant. Thanks for inquiring. William -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M LEDGER Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:26 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? William,            I suspect that the George derives as you suggest from King George but it may have been to honour uncle George (was he rich and childless or did he die just before these sons were born?)  However my greatest interst is in Thomas Lauder wjho married Margaret Aikman. I descend form a Robert Lauder of throsk who married a Grizzel Aikman in 1946 in St Ninians. Is there a kinship link to your Lauders. We believe Robert was the son of John Lauder and Janet Row and that John was the son of William Lauder and Margaret Wilsone.          Georges do appear in the line but not till 1830 and no Thomases appear so I have my doubts but Lauder - Aikman marriages cannot be that common!                         Moira ________________________________ From: William Garner <william@wgarner.com> To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 26 September, 2009 2:55:01 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? My gggg-grandparents, Thomas Lauder (b.1748, St Cuthbert's, Edinburgh) & Margaret Aikman from Currie, named their sons, James (b.1766, Currie), Thomas (b.1775, Currie) and George (b.1784, Currie), which seemed to follow the traditional naming custom, since James Lawther (b.1720 in Glencorse, later shoemaker in Edinburgh)  and his wife Elizabeth Smith appear to have been the parents of Thomas (b.1748), James (b.1750, St Cuthbert's) and George (b. 1752, St Cuthbert's).  However, contrary to the traditional custom of naming first born sons after the paternal grandfather,  all three of Thomas Lauder's sons, in their turn, named their first born sons "GEORGE":  the first son of James (b.1766) was George Lauder (b.1801, Gladmuir, Longniddrie, East Lothian); the first son of Thomas (b.1775) was George Lauder (b. 1798, St Cuthbert's); & the first born son of George (b.1784) was George Lauder (b. 1815, Dunfermline), from whom I descend. Although the name George already existed in the family as the great-uncle George (b.1752 as the younger brother of Thomas b.1748) and George was the name of the last Lauder of Bass in the mid-1600s, these sources do not seem sufficient to explain such surprising uniformity amongst three brothers against the traditional  naming custom.  So I ask, was there some political currency or reasons of patriotism during the period post- 1784 period and especially around 1798-1801 for Scots to name their first born sons "George" after then reigning King "George"?  William Garner ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rich uncle? Did he leave a will? if so, worth checking out the wills online at the Scottish Archives... On 26 Sep 2009, at 14:55, William Garner wrote: > all three > of Thomas Lauder's sons, in their turn, named their first born sons > "GEORGE": the first son of James (b.1766) was George Lauder (b.1801, > Gladmuir, Longniddrie, East Lothian); the first son of Thomas (b. > 1775) was > George Lauder (b. 1798, St Cuthbert's); & the first born son of George > (b.1784) was George Lauder (b. 1815, Dunfermline), from whom I > descend. > Although the name George already existed in the family as the great- > uncle > George (b.1752 as the younger brother of Thomas b.1748) and George > was the > name of the last Lauder of Bass in the mid-1600s, these sources do > not seem > sufficient to explain such surprising uniformity amongst three > brothers > against the traditional naming custom. So I ask, was there some > political > currency or reasons of patriotism during the period post- 1784 > period and > especially around 1798-1801 for Scots to name their first born sons > "George" > after then reigning King "George"? William Garner > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

A "George Lauder," from the 21st Regiment, died in August 1796 at his house Silver-Mills on the road from Cannonmills to Stockbridge, per the Edinburgh Advertiser of 12 Aug 1796, and his house was advertised for sale on 1 Jul 1798 in the same journal by Robert Dick, writer from Edinburgh. But I have been unable find military records, a will, or even the birth year and family for this George Lauder, to determine whether he could have been the Uncle ("rich") George (born 16 Jan 1752 at St. Cuthbert's) of the two brothers, Thomas and James, whose firstborn sons were respectively named "George" in 1798 and 1801. Thanks for the suggestion. -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rosemary Wake Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:39 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? Rich uncle? Did he leave a will? if so, worth checking out the wills online at the Scottish Archives... On 26 Sep 2009, at 14:55, William Garner wrote: > all three > of Thomas Lauder's sons, in their turn, named their first born sons > "GEORGE": the first son of James (b.1766) was George Lauder (b.1801, > Gladmuir, Longniddrie, East Lothian); the first son of Thomas (b. > 1775) was > George Lauder (b. 1798, St Cuthbert's); & the first born son of George > (b.1784) was George Lauder (b. 1815, Dunfermline), from whom I > descend. > Although the name George already existed in the family as the great- > uncle > George (b.1752 as the younger brother of Thomas b.1748) and George > was the > name of the last Lauder of Bass in the mid-1600s, these sources do > not seem > sufficient to explain such surprising uniformity amongst three > brothers > against the traditional naming custom. So I ask, was there some > political > currency or reasons of patriotism during the period post- 1784 > period and > especially around 1798-1801 for Scots to name their first born sons > "George" > after then reigning King "George"? William Garner > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message