Hi Robin I saw your comment below: <<Looks like you should be on the West Lothian list asking the folks there about your Uphall families>> Maybe you haven't realised this is the West Lothian List or at least the only one that exists that covers the area, hence why I joined it. I quote from the entrypage to the list: "Topic: the counties of East Lothian, Midlothian, and West Lothian, Scotland, Great Britain." Just in case anyone feels unwelcome Gillian White