Dear Barbara and list, I'm sorry that I haven't answered before but for some reason this email didn't go from my out box and I have just found it. Please accept my apologies. Mary. Hi Barbara, Thanks so much, if one can go on the naming pattern and the dates ect. these are my Shaw's, but I'm not sure about James and Robert, so will have to do some more checking. According to the IGI they were definitely born Tranent, E. Lothian. The Kilsyth James is definately not mine. Your help is really appreciated. Regards, Mary. Qld Aus. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 12/01/2005