Hi Bob. Thanks very much for you time and effort. I found the children on the IGI on the net and have ordered the film number I got there (C116882) , and although I go to the FHC quite often am not familiar with BIVRI data. I was briefly in Edinburgh and found confirmation of this line at New Reg, House. Now the work begins. I was hoping to smoke out some live descendants. I have found message boards great for that in the past. Cheers Janet