Liz I will send you privately the info that I have about that part of the line if you want me to. It is too late at night here to give you a fuller response but I will try to tomorrow. Night & thanks Gerry McGregor "As long as there are leaves in the forest, and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, Shall flourish forever." -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Dempster Sent: 10 June 2010 23:18 To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? Hi Gerry: There are times that I find Scotlandspeople very expensive but to minimize the costs I use www.familysearch.org first to narrow down my search so I don't have to go through by process of elimination using credits up. What I like is the digital picture of the original documents, I have found out so much information that way. I have seen transcribed documents, but sometimes they are left to the transcriber to guess what a word is. I like to guess myself. Back to your Twiss family, do you think the John Twiss listed in my search of deaths below is yours? There is a Twiss family with a John Twiss 7 years old in 1891, born Midlothian Liberton Father Matthew, 32, he was a Baker by trade, Mother Elizabeth, 29 sister Elizabeth, age 6. Now I don't normally actively search for others on Scotlandspeople, usually when I have some credits and I am not getting anywhere in my research, and I do not know how my interest was peaked with this name, but this will just amaze you...... While looking for a marriage for your John and Anna I did not find their marriage but I found a death record for 1942 and his wife was listed as Anna Bridget - last name Rei(?) last letter hard to read. He died at Willowbrae Nursing home usual residence, 1 Brunstane? Road Joppa. ALSO in this search I found a 1953 marriage of John Joseph Twiss and Mary Aitken Laing. Mary Aitken Laing is a name in my tree, albeit one born in 1879. However the Laing family is quite extensive and they tend to name all their children in the Scottish naming pattern, so this one may very well be related. The actual marriage record is not available for me to confirm her parents, but I just found a birth in Portobello for 1929 and that is where this family hails from. So now my interest is beyond "peaked" because I have confirmed a family in Portobello and the two births I could confirm through death records are a boy, 1926 and one 1927 (unfortunately died in 1928) but would have been my dad's cousins. Their mother Cecilia was my grandfather's sister. Due to the privacy act for information, I have been stalled in my search for this family, so this is the type of find that I bite the bullet and order a document. There is also a birth for a John Twiss, 1925 St. Andrews, ED. and a David John Twiss George Square ED, 1959... I have found by purchasing documents important information that has led me to living relations, contacted them and found them to be excited to tell me about the family. Sometimes it is worth purchasing. So.....I have a gut feeling about this one and I may be thanking you later for posting online your TWISS family, and perhaps we are distantly related. I will be looking into this further. I may have some contacts in Edinburgh who just might have some information on this. Regards Liz Dempster. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry McGregor" <gerry@mc-gregor.org.uk> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > Hi Folks > > Thanks for those who have responded to my quest. That James is a distant > cousin. While I am interested in most Twiss, the main Twiss is my Great > Uncle John b 1883 d 1942. He married Anna Brigida from Argentina. He > travelled back and forth and I think some of his children were born over > there, some here. He owned the Willowbrae Nursing home in Edinburgh and > then > his wife and his daughter Ethal. Other children Gertrude, Julia married > Howard French, Edith, Aida, Marie & John married Mary Laing. Ethal married > John MacCallum and died in 1963 in Sussex, > > I find it very hard to find out more about them. > > On another topic, does anyone else find ScotlandsPeople expensive. If you > are doing a lot of research, the cost mounts up. Then if you have to order > copies ........ Why don't they do as the other sites do, an annual fee? > Also > it would save on searches if the mother's maiden name was included in the > search option. > > Gerry McGregor > > "As long as there are leaves in the forest, > and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, > Shall flourish forever." > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Dempster > Sent: 09 June 2010 23:45 > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > Hi Gerry, > > Interesting name, so while I was just in SP I looked up 1851 Census and > 1861 > > census - all records and did not find anything on your Twiss - Joseph in > 1851. There is a John Twiss, age 34, a John age 4 and a Matthew age 2 in > 1861 St. Andrews Ed. > > I also looked for a death record, from 1849 - 1850, nothing for a Joseph. >>From 1855 - 2006, the information on the records could confirm > relationshiops, these are all the deaths listed for J Twiss 1955 TWISS > JAMES M 72 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 2 1944 TWISS JAMES IRELAND M 20 SERVICE AND WAR RETURNS /MINOR > RECORDS > 3 1865 TWISS JOHN M CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 4 1918 TWISS JOHN M 64 KIRKINTILLOCH /DUNBARTON > 5 1942 TWISS JOHN M 59 CANONGATE AND PORTOBELLO EDINBURGH > CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 6 1946 TWISS JOHN M 88 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 7 2004 TWISS JOHN M 80 GLASGOW GLASGOW/GLASGOW CITY > 8 1997 TWISS JOHN COLUMBA M 72 EDINBURGH EDINBURGH/LOTHIAN REGION > 9 1950 TWISS JOHN JOSEPH M 69 ST ANDREW EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > > > > 1881 Census > > 1881 TWISS ELIZABETH F 2 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 2 1881 TWISS JOHN M 23 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 3 1881 TWISS JOHN M 0 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 4 1881 TWISS LIZZIE F 19 DALKEITH /MIDLOTHIAN > 5 1881 TWISS MARGARET F 16 NEWINGTON EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 6 1881 TWISS MATTHEW M 20 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 7 1881 TWISS SUSAN F 22 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > > > > Good luck hunting your TWISS family down. > > Liz Dempster > Ontario Canada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:51 PM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > >> Hey Gerry, >> >> I did a quick search at scotlands ppl, you sure have your work cut out >> for you! >> >> The only 2 Twiss births listed: >> >> 4 17/05/1850 TWISS FRANCES JOSEPH TWISS/ELISABETH PEMBLETON >> FR3163 FALKIRK /STIRLING 479/ 0110 0464 >> 5 23/07/1849 TWISS HELEN SAMUEL TWISS/HELEN TAYLOR FORFAR >> /ANGUS 288/ 0060 0417 >> >> >> after that poor result, I was afraid to look up any more! >> >> Sorry I couldn't be of more help. >> >> Tammy >> >> >> >> On 09/06/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry McGregor wrote: >>> Tammy >>> >>> My family also comes from Gilmerton, they are Twiss. If you come across >>> them >>> in your investigations I would be interested. >>> >>> Gerry McGregor >>> >>> "As long as there are leaves in the forest, >>> and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, >>> Shall flourish forever." >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Mitchell >>> Sent: 09 June 2010 16:25 >>> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>> >>> >>> Rhoda, >>> Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. >>> Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you >>> sure >>> helped with that! >>> I have requested the files from NAS! >>> I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. >>> I'm >>> amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my >>> Robert >>> Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more >>> generations. >>> If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd >>> be >>> happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. >>> Thank you >>> Tammy >>> On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: >>> >>> Hello Tammy >>> >>> A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a >>> number > >>> of >>> >>> sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning >>> 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". >>> The >>> >>> mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived >>> in >>> Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the >>> village >>> owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton >>> family. >>> >>> I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) >>> catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to >>> Robert >>> CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded >>> firearms, >>> under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial >>> itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, >>> Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. >>> >>> I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON >>> "for >>> the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at >>> public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref >>> JC26/1822/24. >>> He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is >>> a >>> footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert >>> Charleton, >>> 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. >>> >>> I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute >>> Book >>> >>> series E, as follows: >>> >>> "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, >>> Address: >>> Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear >>> as >>> witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - >>> 100 >>> merks Scots >>> William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: >>> Gilmerton, >>> Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. >>> Date >>> >>> of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks >>> Scots >>> John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. >>> Entry >>> relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 >>> May >>> >>> 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", >>> >>> So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some >>> reason > >>> a >>> number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that >>> George >>> THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has >>> happened > >>> to >>> >>> the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But >>> when >>> >>> I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in >>> 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition >>> papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them >>> the >>> various AD/ and JC/ references above. >>> >>> >>> Rhoda >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>> To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" >>> [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" >>> [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM >>> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Listers, >>> >>> I have found a newspaper clipping from: >>> The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. >>> >>> A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page >>> or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask >>> the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in >>> 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. >>> The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a >>> zoom of 300 I believe) >>> >>> It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding >>> a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s >>> property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed >>> but John Anderson was badly injured. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo >>> tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>> and >>> the >>> body of the message >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >>> 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com >>> 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk >>> 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >>> 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry McGregor" <gerry@mc-gregor.org.uk> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > Liz > > I will send you privately the info that I have about that part of the line > if you want me to. > > It is too late at night here to give you a fuller response but I will try > to > tomorrow. > > Night & thanks > > Gerry McGregor > > "As long as there are leaves in the forest, > and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, > Shall flourish forever." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Dempster > Sent: 10 June 2010 23:18 > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > Hi Gerry: > > There are times that I find Scotlandspeople very expensive but to minimize > the costs I use www.familysearch.org first to narrow down my search so I > don't have to go through by process of elimination using credits up. What > I > > like is the digital picture of the original documents, I have found out > so > much information that way. I have seen transcribed documents, but > sometimes > > they are left to the transcriber to guess what a word is. I like to > guess > myself. > > Back to your Twiss family, do you think the John Twiss listed in my search > of deaths below is yours? There is a Twiss family with a John Twiss 7 > years > > old in 1891, born Midlothian Liberton Father Matthew, 32, he was a Baker > by > > trade, Mother Elizabeth, 29 sister Elizabeth, age 6. > > Now I don't normally actively search for others on Scotlandspeople, > usually > when I have some credits and I am not getting anywhere in my research, and > I > > do not know how my interest was peaked with this name, but this will just > amaze you...... > > While looking for a marriage for your John and Anna I did not find their > marriage but I found a death record for 1942 and his wife was listed as > Anna > > Bridget - last name Rei(?) last letter hard to read. He died at > Willowbrae > Nursing home usual residence, 1 Brunstane? Road Joppa. ALSO in this > search > > I found a 1953 marriage of John Joseph Twiss and Mary Aitken Laing. Mary > Aitken Laing is a name in my tree, albeit one born in 1879. However the > Laing family is quite extensive and they tend to name all their children > in > the Scottish naming pattern, so this one may very well be related. The > actual marriage record is not available for me to confirm her parents, but > I > > just found a birth in Portobello for 1929 and that is where this family > hails from. So now my interest is beyond "peaked" because I have > confirmed > a family in Portobello and the two births I could confirm through death > records are a boy, 1926 and one 1927 (unfortunately died in 1928) but > would > have been my dad's cousins. Their mother Cecilia was my grandfather's > sister. Due to the privacy act for information, I have been stalled in my > search for this family, so this is the type of find that I bite the bullet > and order a document. There is also a birth for a John Twiss, 1925 St. > Andrews, ED. and a David John Twiss George Square ED, 1959... > > I have found by purchasing documents important information that has led me > to living relations, contacted them and found them to be excited to tell > me > about the family. Sometimes it is worth purchasing. > > So.....I have a gut feeling about this one and I may be thanking you later > for posting online your TWISS family, and perhaps we are distantly > related. > I will be looking into this further. I may have some contacts in > Edinburgh > who just might have some information on this. > > Regards > Liz Dempster. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerry McGregor" <gerry@mc-gregor.org.uk> > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:24 AM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > >> Hi Folks >> >> Thanks for those who have responded to my quest. That James is a distant >> cousin. While I am interested in most Twiss, the main Twiss is my Great >> Uncle John b 1883 d 1942. He married Anna Brigida from Argentina. He >> travelled back and forth and I think some of his children were born over >> there, some here. He owned the Willowbrae Nursing home in Edinburgh and >> then >> his wife and his daughter Ethal. Other children Gertrude, Julia married >> Howard French, Edith, Aida, Marie & John married Mary Laing. Ethal >> married >> John MacCallum and died in 1963 in Sussex, >> >> I find it very hard to find out more about them. >> >> On another topic, does anyone else find ScotlandsPeople expensive. If you >> are doing a lot of research, the cost mounts up. Then if you have to >> order >> copies ........ Why don't they do as the other sites do, an annual fee? >> Also >> it would save on searches if the mother's maiden name was included in the >> search option. >> >> Gerry McGregor >> >> "As long as there are leaves in the forest, >> and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, >> Shall flourish forever." >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Dempster >> Sent: 09 June 2010 23:45 >> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? >> >> Hi Gerry, >> >> Interesting name, so while I was just in SP I looked up 1851 Census and >> 1861 >> >> census - all records and did not find anything on your Twiss - Joseph in >> 1851. There is a John Twiss, age 34, a John age 4 and a Matthew age 2 in >> 1861 St. Andrews Ed. >> >> I also looked for a death record, from 1849 - 1850, nothing for a >> Joseph. >>>From 1855 - 2006, the information on the records could confirm >> relationshiops, these are all the deaths listed for J Twiss 1955 >> TWISS >> JAMES M 72 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN >> 2 1944 TWISS JAMES IRELAND M 20 SERVICE AND WAR RETURNS /MINOR >> RECORDS >> 3 1865 TWISS JOHN M CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN >> 4 1918 TWISS JOHN M 64 KIRKINTILLOCH /DUNBARTON >> 5 1942 TWISS JOHN M 59 CANONGATE AND PORTOBELLO EDINBURGH >> CITY/MIDLOTHIAN >> 6 1946 TWISS JOHN M 88 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN >> 7 2004 TWISS JOHN M 80 GLASGOW GLASGOW/GLASGOW CITY >> 8 1997 TWISS JOHN COLUMBA M 72 EDINBURGH EDINBURGH/LOTHIAN REGION >> 9 1950 TWISS JOHN JOSEPH M 69 ST ANDREW EDINBURGH >> CITY/MIDLOTHIAN >> >> >> >> 1881 Census >> >> 1881 TWISS ELIZABETH F 2 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN >> 2 1881 TWISS JOHN M 23 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN >> 3 1881 TWISS JOHN M 0 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN >> 4 1881 TWISS LIZZIE F 19 DALKEITH /MIDLOTHIAN >> 5 1881 TWISS MARGARET F 16 NEWINGTON EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN >> 6 1881 TWISS MATTHEW M 20 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN >> 7 1881 TWISS SUSAN F 22 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN >> >> >> >> Good luck hunting your TWISS family down. >> >> Liz Dempster >> Ontario Canada >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:51 PM >> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? >> >> >>> Hey Gerry, >>> >>> I did a quick search at scotlands ppl, you sure have your work cut out >>> for you! >>> >>> The only 2 Twiss births listed: >>> >>> 4 17/05/1850 TWISS FRANCES JOSEPH TWISS/ELISABETH PEMBLETON >>> FR3163 FALKIRK /STIRLING 479/ 0110 0464 >>> 5 23/07/1849 TWISS HELEN SAMUEL TWISS/HELEN TAYLOR FORFAR >>> /ANGUS 288/ 0060 0417 >>> >>> >>> after that poor result, I was afraid to look up any more! >>> >>> Sorry I couldn't be of more help. >>> >>> Tammy >>> >>> >>> >>> On 09/06/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry McGregor wrote: >>>> Tammy >>>> >>>> My family also comes from Gilmerton, they are Twiss. If you come across >>>> them >>>> in your investigations I would be interested. >>>> >>>> Gerry McGregor >>>> >>>> "As long as there are leaves in the forest, >>>> and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, >>>> Shall flourish forever." >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Mitchell >>>> Sent: 09 June 2010 16:25 >>>> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>>> >>>> >>>> Rhoda, >>>> Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. >>>> Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you >>>> sure >>>> helped with that! >>>> I have requested the files from NAS! >>>> I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. >>>> I'm >>>> amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my >>>> Robert >>>> Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more >>>> generations. >>>> If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, >>>> I'd >>>> be >>>> happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. >>>> Thank you >>>> Tammy >>>> On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Tammy >>>> >>>> A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a >>>> number >> >>>> of >>>> >>>> sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning >>>> 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". >>>> The >>>> >>>> mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I >>>> lived >>>> in >>>> Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the >>>> village >>>> owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton >>>> family. >>>> >>>> I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) >>>> catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to >>>> Robert >>>> CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded >>>> firearms, >>>> under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial >>>> itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, >>>> Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. >>>> >>>> I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON >>>> "for >>>> the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder >>>> at >>>> public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref >>>> JC26/1822/24. >>>> He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is >>>> a >>>> footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert >>>> Charleton, >>>> 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. >>>> >>>> I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute >>>> Book >>>> >>>> series E, as follows: >>>> >>>> "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, >>>> Address: >>>> Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear >>>> as >>>> witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - >>>> 100 >>>> merks Scots >>>> William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: >>>> Gilmerton, >>>> Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. >>>> Date >>>> >>>> of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks >>>> Scots >>>> John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. >>>> Entry >>>> relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: >>>> 28 >>>> May >>>> >>>> 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", >>>> >>>> So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some >>>> reason >> >>>> a >>>> number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that >>>> George >>>> THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has >>>> happened >> >>>> to >>>> >>>> the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But >>>> when >>>> >>>> I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary >>>> in >>>> 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition >>>> papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them >>>> the >>>> various AD/ and JC/ references above. >>>> >>>> >>>> Rhoda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>>> To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" >>>> [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" >>>> [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM >>>> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Listers, >>>> >>>> I have found a newspaper clipping from: >>>> The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. >>>> >>>> A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page >>>> or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask >>>> the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in >>>> 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. >>>> The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a >>>> zoom of 300 I believe) >>>> >>>> It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding >>>> a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s >>>> property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. 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