Rhoda, Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you sure helped with that! I have requested the files from NAS! I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. I'm amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my Robert Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more generations. If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd be happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. Thank you Tammy On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: Hello Tammy A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a number of sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". The mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived in Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the village owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton family. I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to Robert CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded firearms, under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON "for the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref JC26/1822/24. He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is a footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert Charleton, 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute Book series E, as follows: "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, Address: Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some reason a number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that George THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has happened to the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But when I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them the various AD/ and JC/ references above. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting & Trial - Robert Mitchell & Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property Hi Listers, I have found a newspaper clipping from: The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a zoom of 300 I believe) It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed but John Anderson was badly injured. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com

Opps, I meant to sent below to Rhoda only, and then address everyone on the list who assisted with my request. Thank you all! The information you passed along is priceless to me. Would anyone know, about tax rolls, or any directory listing peoples names with their addresses, for Gilmerton between 1800-1839? My Robert Mitchell (was a farmer and cattle dealer in Gilmerton), had a daughter named Jean (Jane) who in 1839 married Mr. Daniel Rintoul Sutherland (Stationer). At the time of the marriage, Jean was residing at 10 South College Street, Edinburgh. Her father Robert was listed as deceased. -I've searched scppl constantly to no-end and have never been able to find a record for Robert's Death, (now I know he was alive in 1823, because I found an ad he posted in The Edinburgh Adviser paper, for selling Steer/Beef at market on High Street). (But I've only searched in Midlothian for his death record) -Nor have I been able to locate a will for him, which seems strange, because I would have thought he owned his land, or at least had assets/invoices/ etc to clear up upon his death. I know he did business with a man named Thomas Taylor, maybe Thomas was a partner with him in bringing the Steer to auction/market. He married his wife, Elizabeth Weir in 1808 at New Greyfriars - would this be the usual church that people who lived in Gilmerton attended? I know his wife died in 1852 at age 71 while living at 171 Causeway Side. So as far as I can tell, Robert didn't leave Scotland. Question: If he were to die, in Glasgow or another location- while away from home, would his death record show up in the place he died, rather then the place he lived? Thanks for all your help, again - priceless! Tammy Mitchell BC, Canada On 09/06/2010 8:24 AM, Tammy Mitchell wrote: > Rhoda, > Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. > Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you sure > helped with that! > I have requested the files from NAS! > I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. I'm > amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my Robert > Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more generations. > If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd be > happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. > Thank you > Tammy > On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: > > Hello Tammy > > A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a number of > sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning > 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". The > mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived in > Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the village > owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton > family. > > I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) > catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to Robert > CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded firearms, > under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial > itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, > Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. > > I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON "for > the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at > public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref JC26/1822/24. > He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is a > footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert Charleton, > 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. > > I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute Book > series E, as follows: > > "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, Address: > Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as > witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 > merks Scots > William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: Gilmerton, > Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date > of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots > John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. Entry > relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May > 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", > > So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some reason a > number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that George > THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has happened to > the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But when > I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in > 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition > papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them the > various AD/ and JC/ references above. > > > Rhoda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" > [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" > [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& > Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property > > > > > Hi Listers, > > I have found a newspaper clipping from: > The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. > > A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page > or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask > the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in > 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. > The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a > zoom of 300 I believe) > > It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding > a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s > property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed > but John Anderson was badly injured. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo > tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > References > > 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca > 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com > 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk > 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca > 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Tammy and Gerry You may find the Liberton site on the attached link of interest. I found it by googling Gilmerton Parish Church which seems to have closed within the last 10 years. I was trying to find out old it was. But Gilmerton appears to have been within the parish of Liberton at the end of the 18th century and may not have had its own church then. See: http://www.ancestor.abel.co.uk/lib/marrc.html Rhoda

Hello again, Tammy Gilmerton is about 5 miles from the centre of Edinburgh. Whilst it is now a suburb of Edinburgh, in the 18th and 19th centuries it would have been one of a number of small communities outside the Edinburgh boundaries. As a farmer near Gilmerton I imagine your Robert would have attended a church nearer to the village. His wife-to-be may have lived in Edinburgh which is why they married at New Greyfriars. There are 2 entries for a Robert Mitchell, Flesher in Edinburgh, in the Wills and Testaments index on Scotlands People. One dated 28/9/1826 (SC70/1/35), Edinburgh Sheriff Court Inventories, and one dated 12/10/1826, Edinburgh Commissary Court (CC8/8/151). A Flesher being a person who sold meat, it is possible that it could be your Robert. Rhoda

Hi, thank you for your help. Robert, who's will you speak. I have a copy of the will - if anyone wants it, I'll send it on. That Robert was the Deacon of Fleshers. He married Ann Porteous, they had children, but the only clue I can get out of the will is that his 'oldest' son was Alexander. He and his brother Hugh, were both in that company together and there may have been a John too, but I can't tell if that is a son or brother. I can find Alexander's birth record, but no others for this couple. So sad to say, I've followed that trail, and that Robert is not mine. He is however in my tree as a relative. His parents were Hugh Mitchell and Marion Grierson. He had a brother named Hugh, who married Jean Weir, from my research, I've been able to figure to an almost 99% confirmation, that Jean Weir, was Elisabeth Weir's older sister. (Elizabeth who married my Robert Mitchell cattle dealer) The Weir girls father was deceased by 1808, he had been a spirit dealer in Gilmerton. So there is definitely connection there. and could be more.. My Robert and Elizabeth Weir, had 4 sons and 2 daughters. I've only been able to follow one of their sons, who was Hugh Mitchell born in Gilmerton in 1816, he married Margaret MacDonald, and became a flesher/butcher master. He is my ancestor. Oh, and Robert's oldest son John Mitchell, who we believe moved on to the USA and married a woman named Ann Strober (Stroder) - and has descendants there. (New York, New Jersey area) - Descendants of John's have participated in the DNA research - with no close match to a Mitchell yet in the DNA project so far. I do thank you for your interest and support with researching my Robert Mitchell. His parentage has been a huge history for about 5 years. :( I think some records from Gilmerton are missing at scppl, because I can't seem to get anything reasonable going back. Hard with a name like Robert. Any further info, if you find it, will be great to receive. Thanks Tammy Partial Index of mitchells (and children and spouses) can be found at http://www.tammymitchell.com - maybe that will assist others. I have bought a lot of records from this area, these surnames, and I'm willing to share. On 09/06/2010 11:58 AM, CandROverson wrote: > Hello again, Tammy > > Gilmerton is about 5 miles from the centre of Edinburgh. Whilst it is now a > suburb of Edinburgh, in the 18th and 19th centuries it would have been one > of a number of small communities outside the Edinburgh boundaries. As a > farmer near Gilmerton I imagine your Robert would have attended a church > nearer to the village. His wife-to-be may have lived in Edinburgh which is > why they married at New Greyfriars. > > There are 2 entries for a Robert Mitchell, Flesher in Edinburgh, in the > Wills and Testaments index on Scotlands People. > One dated 28/9/1826 (SC70/1/35), Edinburgh Sheriff Court Inventories, and > one dated 12/10/1826, Edinburgh Commissary Court (CC8/8/151). A Flesher > being a person who sold meat, it is possible that it could be your Robert. > > Rhoda > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Tammy My family also comes from Gilmerton, they are Twiss. If you come across them in your investigations I would be interested. Gerry McGregor "As long as there are leaves in the forest, and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, Shall flourish forever." -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Mitchell Sent: 09 June 2010 16:25 To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting & Trial - Robert Mitchell & Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property Rhoda, Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you sure helped with that! I have requested the files from NAS! I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. I'm amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my Robert Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more generations. If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd be happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. Thank you Tammy On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: Hello Tammy A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a number of sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". The mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived in Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the village owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton family. I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to Robert CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded firearms, under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON "for the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref JC26/1822/24. He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is a footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert Charleton, 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute Book series E, as follows: "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, Address: Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some reason a number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that George THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has happened to the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But when I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them the various AD/ and JC/ references above. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting & Trial - Robert Mitchell & Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property Hi Listers, I have found a newspaper clipping from: The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a zoom of 300 I believe) It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed but John Anderson was badly injured. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message