Maybe, if he ended up being that convict - the church records just 'said' she was a widow with children, to help her keep her pride. - just a thought! There were other Duncans in the area, I'll send you a list, when I have more time. Tammy On 18/06/2010 8:45 AM, Lynne Ingalls wrote: > Tony - I was able to find mention of mort cloths for Duncan's children, and > a fee paid for his widow's grave digging in the Parish expenses, but there > was never any mention of Duncan's passing. I find that odd because everyone > else in the family is mentioned, but not him. Of course, a Catholic > wouldn't be buried in the parish grave yard, would he? Or perhaps he died > elsewhere (at sea?), so wasn't mentioned in the expenses. I had never made > the connection to Catholicism before, and it gives me something to think > about. I think I read somewhere that some Irish weavers were brought into > the Dunbar area at one time to work in a new mill there. But, with the > given name 'Duncan', he was probably not Irish. I've now begun to look for > the families of the witnesses at his children's baptisms. Maybe that will > shed a clue as to where Duncan came from originally. > > Thanks again. > > Lynne in Tucson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Burton"<burton-tony@sky.com> > To:<midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 4:02 AM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] > Irregularmarriages:DuncanM'CarterandElisabethSimpson > > > >> Hello Lynn, I can't be of much more help I'm afraid. Our 'irregular ' >> took >> place in 1906; a hundred years later than your period of research. >> I do know that marriages between Catholics and Protestants - in Scotland - >> were not all that uncommon, especially after the mid 19th Century when a >> lot >> of immigration of Irish Catholics into Scotland took place. My Wife has >> Irish ancestors on both her paternal& maternal sides who came over to >> Scotland in the mid 1880's. >> Don't read too much into the fact that you can't find evidence of Duncan's >> death or burial. Scottish OPR's are very sparse indeed regarding burials >> and deaths and one is very lucky to find any such evidence before 1855. >> There have always been Catholics in Scotland - more prevalent in some >> areas >> than others - but I would have thought that Edinburgh and East Lothian >> would >> both have had their fair share. >> Do bear in mind Lynn that 'irregular' marriages - although frowned upon by >> the Churches of all denominations - were not as uncommon as many people >> think and that the reasons for them were many and various. Best wishes, >> Tony >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Lynne Ingalls"<Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:02 PM >> To:<midlothian@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Irregular >> marriages:DuncanM'CarterandElisabethSimpson >> >> >>> Thanks, Tony. A CATHOLIC? This actually might explain a lot of things: >>> why Duncan had two irregular marriages, why there is no burial record for >>> him, why I can't locate a christening record for him. Would the College >>> Kirk in Edinburgh have allowed a marriage between a Catholic and >>> Protetant >>> in the 1790's, early 1800's? Were there Catholics in East Lothian at >>> that >>> time? >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tony Burton"<burton-tony@sky.com> >>> To:<midlothian@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Irregular marriages:Duncan >>> M'CarterandElisabethSimpson >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hello Lynne, Our 'irregular marriage' took place in the Edinburgh >>>> Registry >>>> Office in Victoria Place and was between a Catholic and a Protestant. >>>> Yet >>>> another possible reason for not having a 'regular' marriage in a Church. >>>> Best wishes. Tony. >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Lynne Ingalls"<Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:18 PM >>>> To:<midlothian@rootsweb.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Irregular marriages:Duncan M'Carter >>>> andElisabethSimpson >>>> >>>> >>>>> Brigid, Tammy, and Rhoda - Thank you each for your comments. It gives >>>>> me >>>>> something to think about - why Duncan would need his banns read >>>>> elsewhere. >>>>> I >>>>> don't know what was in his background that would prevent him from >>>>> having >>>>> banns read at Whittingehame. Like you mentioned, it was quite a trek to >>>>> Edinburgh. Duncan and Elizabeth had a daughter, Jean b. 9 Feb 1798. I >>>>> don't know if Elizabeth and Jean died shortly thereafter, but Duncan >>>>> remarried again in 1802 at Edinburgh to an Agnes Barclay from Dunbar, >>>>> and >>>>> he >>>>> was rebuked and fined again by the Whittingehame parish for another >>>>> irregular marriage. Then later he died and left poor Agnes with 6 - 7 >>>>> kids >>>>> for the parish to support. I wonder if the College Church would have >>>>> published the banns for either/both marriages? I did not find the >>>>> banns >>>>> on-line, only the marriage records. Because I'm trying to find >>>>> Duncan's >>>>> parents, I am interested in where he may have originated. >>>>> >>>>> Lynne in Tucson >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "CandROverson"<overson12@btinternet.com> >>>>> To:<midlothian@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 3:46 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Irregular marriages:Duncan M'Carter and >>>>> ElisabethSimpson >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Lynne >>>>>> >>>>>> One explanation is that one or both of the parties to the marriage >>>>>> came >>>>>> from >>>>>> the parish of Whittinghame but that they had their banns read in >>>>>> Edinburgh >>>>>> only. Perhaps they left Whittinghame for Edinburgh in order to be >>>>>> married >>>>>> because of parental disapproval. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rhoda >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >