Would like to ask for any HELP here PLEASE >> I would like to ask any SCOTTISH people if they have information of one WILLIAM GIBSON [ GIPSON ] born in the 1600's or early 1700's & 1800's , Lock Lomond , Dunbartonshire,& Dunfershire, & Edinburgh ] any GIBSON'S from Scotland who might have immigrated or went to Barbados, looking for a better life, as my GIBSON'S as I would like some help here, I have a WILLIAM JAMES GIBSON , from Lock Lomond, in my family line who I am DECADENCE from, on both sides of my family, I have GIBSON'S. I have traced the GILL'S / GREAVES / and still searching for MOFFORD's [ MAWFORD ] from Scotland, WILLIAM THOMAS MOFFORD 1610, Midlothian, Any help would be greatly Appreciated, also , FOSTER'S { FORRESTER ] [FOSTERS ], [ FOESTER'S ] from Scotland, Thanking you all very much, I have one cousin traced the GIBSON'S back to Lock Lomond , and Ayershire in the Time of Bloody MARY QUEEN OF SCOTS, BUT unfortunately , they just show me the papers, they won't share with me, MANY thanks to any one who will help, Rita Henry MURPHY ----- Original Message ----- From: <midlothian-request@rootsweb.com> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: MIDLOTHIAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 157 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. William Balleny, surgeon, Midlothian born? (Thomas Simpson) > 2. Re: William Balleny, surgeon, Midlothian born? (CandROverson) > 3. Re: William Balleny, surgeon, Midlothian born? (John Stevenson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:17:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Thomas Simpson <ts18575@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] William Balleny, surgeon, Midlothian born? > To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <66368.66942.qm@web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Hi Listers > ? > I'm new to the list and am hoping someone can assist/advise with their > local nous and know-how. > ? > I've been researching a Balleny family in County Durham, whose founding > father, William Balleny (born around 1749) may have hailed from > Midlothian, possibly Liberton, on the southern fringes of Edinburgh. > ? > The first sighting of the name Balleny, spelt in this particular manner in > County Durham church records, appears in 1774, when William Balleny, > surgeon, and Jane Barass, married at Chester-le-Street on August 23rd > 1774. > ? > Eight of his nine children's baptisms were registered at Presbyterian > churches in Newcastle and South Shields. This rather reinforces his > probable Scottish background. General searches have revealed that in the > 1700s quite a large cluster of Ballenys, spelling their name in this > particular manner, hailed from the Midlothian area. > ? > With his surgeon's?profession, is it possible that he? attended the famous > Royal College of Surgeons, in Edinburgh, or were there other avenues he > could have taken to become a surgeon? Does the Royal College have any > accessible records for around 1768-74ish? > ? > "Founding father William", in later life, went on to become a fairly > prosperous ship and land owner, he resided and died at Little Greencroft > Hall, his estate to the west of Lanchester, County Durham. Lanchester > Burial records note he was buried at?Lanchester, County Durham, on March > 2nd 1826, aged 78. > ? > Regards > Thomas Simpson, South Shields.?? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:42:26 +0100 > From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] William Balleny, surgeon, Midlothian born? > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BC8497EE8B13449692AC96FA8AB3C082@Chris> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Thomas > > You could try contacting the Library of the Royal College of Surgeons, > Edinburgh. See: > > http://www.library.rcsed.ac.uk/content/content.aspx > > Rhoda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Simpson" <ts18575@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 4:17 PM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] William Balleny, surgeon, Midlothian born? > > > > > Hi Listers > > I'm new to the list and am hoping someone can assist/advise with their > local > nous and know-how. > > I've been researching a Balleny family in County Durham, whose founding > father, William Balleny (born around 1749) may have hailed from > Midlothian, > possibly Liberton, on the southern fringes of Edinburgh. > > The first sighting of the name Balleny, spelt in this particular manner in > County Durham church records, appears in 1774, when William Balleny, > surgeon, and Jane Barass, married at Chester-le-Street on August 23rd > 1774. > > Eight of his nine children's baptisms were registered at Presbyterian > churches in Newcastle and South Shields. This rather reinforces his > probable > Scottish background. General searches have revealed that in the 1700s > quite > a large cluster of Ballenys, spelling their name in this particular > manner, > hailed from the Midlothian area. > > With his surgeon's profession, is it possible that he attended the famous > Royal College of Surgeons, in Edinburgh, or were there other avenues he > could have taken to become a surgeon? Does the Royal College have any > accessible records for around 1768-74ish? > > "Founding father William", in later life, went on to become a fairly > prosperous ship and land owner, he resided and died at Little Greencroft > Hall, his estate to the west of Lanchester, County Durham. Lanchester > Burial > records note he was buried at Lanchester, County Durham, on March 2nd > 1826, > aged 78. > > Regards > Thomas Simpson, South Shields. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:33:09 +0100 > From: "John Stevenson" <johndee.ships@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] William Balleny, surgeon, Midlothian born? > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <63C791EB74504B6EA4B6208B4303E962@nb8c77t523p89tj> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > Good evening , > Suggest you contact the "Archivist" at Royal College of Surgeons, > Edinburgh > www.library.rcsed.ac.uk > library@rcsed.ac.uk > I have availed myself of his "services" on numerous occasions and he is > extremely helpful !! > > If no record found try contacting the "Archivist" ( John Dallas) at Royal > College of Physicians , Edinburgh, > http://www.rcpe.ac.uk/library/services.php > > j.dallas@rcpe.ac.uk > Again I have had great help in my researches ! > > At the time you are interested in , a budding surgeon could be > apprenticed > to a surgeon and through membership of the "Worshipful Society of > Apothecaries", London., eventually become a surgeon > You can contact them at > http://www.apothecaries.org.uk/index.php?page=97&PHPSESSID=56ba9bd33bf113cb3ccdb7ac263e3cf7 > > archivist@apothecaries.org > > If you use email unfortunately full contact details, including home or > institutional postal address, must be supplied by the enquirer. > Suggest you phone first 020 7248 6648. > Have found that WSA are never in a hurry to reply but have been helpful > none > the less ! > > Good luck with your research > Regards > John > > John D. Stevenson > Edinburgh > > > > > > > > Hi Listers > > I'm new to the list and am hoping someone can assist/advise with their > local > nous and know-how. > > I've been researching a Balleny family in County Durham, whose founding > father, William Balleny (born around 1749) may have hailed from > Midlothian, > possibly Liberton, on the southern fringes of Edinburgh. > > The first sighting of the name Balleny, spelt in this particular manner in > County Durham church records, appears in 1774, when William Balleny, > surgeon, and Jane Barass, married at Chester-le-Street on August 23rd > 1774. > > Eight of his nine children's baptisms were registered at Presbyterian > churches in Newcastle and South Shields. This rather reinforces his > probable > Scottish background. General searches have revealed that in the 1700s > quite > a large cluster of Ballenys, spelling their name in this particular > manner, > hailed from the Midlothian area. > > With his surgeon's profession, is it possible that he attended the famous > Royal College of Surgeons, in Edinburgh, or were there other avenues he > could have taken to become a surgeon? Does the Royal College have any > accessible records for around 1768-74ish? > > "Founding father William", in later life, went on to become a fairly > prosperous ship and land owner, he resided and died at Little Greencroft > Hall, his estate to the west of Lanchester, County Durham. Lanchester > Burial > records note he was buried at Lanchester, County Durham, on March 2nd > 1826, > aged 78. > > Regards > Thomas Simpson, South Shields. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MIDLOTHIAN list administrator, send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MIDLOTHIAN mailing list, send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MIDLOTHIAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 157 > ****************************************** >

Good evening , Suggest you contact the "Archivist" at Royal College of Surgeons, Edinburgh www.library.rcsed.ac.uk library@rcsed.ac.uk I have availed myself of his "services" on numerous occasions and he is extremely helpful !! If no record found try contacting the "Archivist" ( John Dallas) at Royal College of Physicians , Edinburgh, http://www.rcpe.ac.uk/library/services.php j.dallas@rcpe.ac.uk Again I have had great help in my researches ! At the time you are interested in , a budding surgeon could be apprenticed to a surgeon and through membership of the "Worshipful Society of Apothecaries", London., eventually become a surgeon You can contact them at http://www.apothecaries.org.uk/index.php?page=97&PHPSESSID=56ba9bd33bf113cb3ccdb7ac263e3cf7 archivist@apothecaries.org If you use email unfortunately full contact details, including home or institutional postal address, must be supplied by the enquirer. Suggest you phone first 020 7248 6648. Have found that WSA are never in a hurry to reply but have been helpful none the less ! Good luck with your research Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh Hi Listers I'm new to the list and am hoping someone can assist/advise with their local nous and know-how. I've been researching a Balleny family in County Durham, whose founding father, William Balleny (born around 1749) may have hailed from Midlothian, possibly Liberton, on the southern fringes of Edinburgh. The first sighting of the name Balleny, spelt in this particular manner in County Durham church records, appears in 1774, when William Balleny, surgeon, and Jane Barass, married at Chester-le-Street on August 23rd 1774. Eight of his nine children's baptisms were registered at Presbyterian churches in Newcastle and South Shields. This rather reinforces his probable Scottish background. General searches have revealed that in the 1700s quite a large cluster of Ballenys, spelling their name in this particular manner, hailed from the Midlothian area. With his surgeon's profession, is it possible that he attended the famous Royal College of Surgeons, in Edinburgh, or were there other avenues he could have taken to become a surgeon? Does the Royal College have any accessible records for around 1768-74ish? "Founding father William", in later life, went on to become a fairly prosperous ship and land owner, he resided and died at Little Greencroft Hall, his estate to the west of Lanchester, County Durham. Lanchester Burial records note he was buried at Lanchester, County Durham, on March 2nd 1826, aged 78. Regards Thomas Simpson, South Shields. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Thomas You could try contacting the Library of the Royal College of Surgeons, Edinburgh. See: http://www.library.rcsed.ac.uk/content/content.aspx Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Simpson" <ts18575@yahoo.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] William Balleny, surgeon, Midlothian born? Hi Listers I'm new to the list and am hoping someone can assist/advise with their local nous and know-how. I've been researching a Balleny family in County Durham, whose founding father, William Balleny (born around 1749) may have hailed from Midlothian, possibly Liberton, on the southern fringes of Edinburgh. The first sighting of the name Balleny, spelt in this particular manner in County Durham church records, appears in 1774, when William Balleny, surgeon, and Jane Barass, married at Chester-le-Street on August 23rd 1774. Eight of his nine children's baptisms were registered at Presbyterian churches in Newcastle and South Shields. This rather reinforces his probable Scottish background. General searches have revealed that in the 1700s quite a large cluster of Ballenys, spelling their name in this particular manner, hailed from the Midlothian area. With his surgeon's profession, is it possible that he attended the famous Royal College of Surgeons, in Edinburgh, or were there other avenues he could have taken to become a surgeon? Does the Royal College have any accessible records for around 1768-74ish? "Founding father William", in later life, went on to become a fairly prosperous ship and land owner, he resided and died at Little Greencroft Hall, his estate to the west of Lanchester, County Durham. Lanchester Burial records note he was buried at Lanchester, County Durham, on March 2nd 1826, aged 78. Regards Thomas Simpson, South Shields. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers   I'm new to the list and am hoping someone can assist/advise with their local nous and know-how.   I've been researching a Balleny family in County Durham, whose founding father, William Balleny (born around 1749) may have hailed from Midlothian, possibly Liberton, on the southern fringes of Edinburgh.   The first sighting of the name Balleny, spelt in this particular manner in County Durham church records, appears in 1774, when William Balleny, surgeon, and Jane Barass, married at Chester-le-Street on August 23rd 1774.   Eight of his nine children's baptisms were registered at Presbyterian churches in Newcastle and South Shields. This rather reinforces his probable Scottish background. General searches have revealed that in the 1700s quite a large cluster of Ballenys, spelling their name in this particular manner, hailed from the Midlothian area.   With his surgeon's profession, is it possible that he  attended the famous Royal College of Surgeons, in Edinburgh, or were there other avenues he could have taken to become a surgeon? Does the Royal College have any accessible records for around 1768-74ish?   "Founding father William", in later life, went on to become a fairly prosperous ship and land owner, he resided and died at Little Greencroft Hall, his estate to the west of Lanchester, County Durham. Lanchester Burial records note he was buried at Lanchester, County Durham, on March 2nd 1826, aged 78.   Regards Thomas Simpson, South Shields.  

Based on the confirmed information that I have, Thomas CRILLY married Catherine BEGEN on February 21st, 1882 at St. Mary's R.C. Church, they both lived at Peter Street, Dundonald, Ayrshire, was witnessed by James GRAHAM and Bridget CLARK. The marriage was registered in Irvine, Extract # 13. Thomas CRILLY was a Chemical Labourer and it is believed that he was born in Dublin, Ireland and Catherine was a Domestic Servant. Thomas CRILLY was previously married to Margaret RUTHERFORD. For Thomas on the marriage extract his parents where Michael CRILLY and Alice MILLIGAN and on his death extract they are listed as Thomas CRILLY and Helen MILLIGAN. For Catherine, on the marriage extract her parents where Thomas BEGEN and Bridget CLARK and on her death extract as John BEGGEN and Bridget S- On searching the 1881 Census for Dundonald, Ayrshire for any of these families I find a Peter Street Priv. Ho. which I believe stands for Private Hospital, as many of the occupations of the neighbours are listed as Labourers (Chemical) is the addresses listed on the marriage extract. My problem is finding the either the CRILLY and the BEGEN families on the 1881 Census, although I think I may have found them, but how do I confirm it. The following families are all neighbours in the Peter Street Private Hospital in the 1881 Census: Catherine CREELY, widow, Head, 46, Ireland. James CREELY, son, 14, Irvine. Thomas CLARK, Head, 46, Ireland, Labr (Chemical) Bridget CLARK, Wife, 44, Ireland Michael CLARK, son, 25, Ireland, Labr (Chemical) Anne Cassidy CLARK, Son's Wife, 22, Ireland John CLARK, Son (Grandson), 1 month, Irvine. James CASSIDY, Lodger, Unmarried, 25, Ireland, Labr (Chemical) Is it be possible, that the family name was recorded as CLARK, instead of CRILLY? Agnes BIGHAM, Widow, Head, 40, Ireland Alexander BIGHAM, Son, 14, Irvine. Agnes BIGHAM, daughter, 10, Irvine. James MULHOLLAND, Lodger, Unmarried, 41, Ireland William BIGHAM, Head, 40, Ireland Elizabeth BIGHAM, Wife, 42, Ireland Elizabeth BIGHAM, daughter, 15, Ireland, Domestic Servant (Occupation and age coincide with Catherine BEGEN on the 1882 marriage extract) Sarah BIGHAM, daughter, 4, Irvine. Could one or both these families be my BEGEN'S? Most importantly how do I confirm it. Any help would be extremely appreciated, thank you John, Pitt Meadows, BC, Canada

Marriages of some Grierson's. Most in Midlothian. Just passing along in case anyone sees something interesting. I do have Grierson's in my Mitchell tree. Date Surname Forename Spouse Name/Frame No Sex Parish City/County GROS Data 01/06/1680 GREIRSON JOHN JONET WILLSON OR LEVINGSTOUN FR1123 M Edinburgh EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/001 0440 0209 14/06/1850 GREIRSON WILLIAM ANN LANG/FR8000 M Glasgow GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/001 0430 0642 07/02/1656 GREIRSONE JAMES BEATRIX LEVINGSTOUN/FR3707 M Canongate EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/003 0130 0084 02/02/1641 GREIRSONE WILLIAME JONET LEVINGSTOUN/FR839 M Edinburgh EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/001 0430 0235 11/07/1850 GRIERSON ROBERT JANE LITHGOW/FR2728 DAU 1 M St Cuthbert's EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/002 0470 0159 03/09/1800 GREERSON SIBELLA ALEXANDER LOGAN/FR2288 F Dalkeith /MIDLOTHIAN 683/ 0070 0204 30/03/1801 GRIERSON SIBBIE ALEXANDER LOGAN/FR4467 U Canongate EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/003 0160 0331 cheers Tammy

Hello listers I have a query from a friend in Canada. What does 'Blotter and Scroll' mean when referring to St. Nicholas Blotter and Scroll in Aberdeen? I have seen this expression myself and thought it was strange and I would be grateful if someone could tell me what it means. Sheila KC

Hi John, Tks so much yes great site will use it on my pages have started typing up the Sasines may be in for a long haul :-) Regards Jenny > From: johndee.ships@btinternet.com > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:40:17 +0100 > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Sasines > > Good morning Jenny, > This site should answer all your questions > http://www.scan.org.uk/researchrtools/glossary_s.htm > > Almost always gives me the answers I need !! > > Regards > John > > John D. Stevenson > Edinburgh > > > > > > > Snip. > > Hi, > > > > I have been going through my archives to see what else I can share and > > have added a few more deaths and marriages that were filed out of place to > > http://www.howdiie.com But have also found where I had transcribed from a > > Film of Sassines in Clackmannan some of the wording and abbreviations I do > > not quite understand and I have below three and wonder if someone could > > advise exactly what is meant. > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Regards Jenny > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706

I have searched Scotland's people extensively. I have a death printout for Robert BRUCE, which says he was 80 years old when he died in 1895. I have also seen his grave in Kaikohe NZ, which states he died in 1895. So unless it is incorrectly stated on the printout, he must have been born in 1815. His mother (Agnes HENDERSON) and several of her children emigrated to Australia in 1838. From there I assume they came to NZ. I have also found a grave in Auckland where Henry, James , William BRUCE are buried. Also William's wife ( Janet) and their son James BRUCE.) But because of the duplicate dates of birth of Thomas and Robert, I am wondering if they are the same person. Regards Sylvia Whautere ----- Original Message ----- From: <midlothian-request@rootsweb.com> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: MIDLOTHIAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 153 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Sasines (John Stevenson) > 2. Mortcloths and funeral traditions (Mary Guler) > 3. Robert or Thomas BRUCE (Sylvia Whautere) > 4. Re: Robert or Thomas BRUCE (hiflyte) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:40:17 +0100 > From: "John Stevenson" <johndee.ships@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Sasines > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D43AAF6A6D4B46E4B12000EFF3D6DF89@nb8c77t523p89tj> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Good morning Jenny, > This site should answer all your questions > http://www.scan.org.uk/researchrtools/glossary_s.htm > > Almost always gives me the answers I need !! > > Regards > John > > John D. Stevenson > Edinburgh > > > > > > > Snip. >> Hi, >> >> I have been going through my archives to see what else I can share and >> have added a few more deaths and marriages that were filed out of place >> to >> http://www.howdiie.com But have also found where I had transcribed from a >> Film of Sassines in Clackmannan some of the wording and abbreviations I >> do >> not quite understand and I have below three and wonder if someone could >> advise exactly what is meant. >> Any help greatly appreciated. >> Regards Jenny >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:11:28 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mary Guler <mlmguler@yahoo.com> > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Mortcloths and funeral traditions > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <281938.67702.qm@web43138.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I found these pages with information about Mortcloths and funeral > traditions in Scotland.? It was new information for me, and thought I'd > share with the group, in the event that others may also lack information > on this area..? > ? > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bldr/funerals.html > ? > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bldr/customs2.html > ? > Mary > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:29:10 +1200 > From: "Sylvia Whautere" <s.whautere@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Robert or Thomas BRUCE > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <9569111B83B54D989764D500099D91B6@Laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have found records of 7 children born to James BRUCE and Agnes > HENDERSON. I can find no evidence that they had a son called Robert. > There was a Thomas BRUCE born 3 June 1825 in Canongate, Scotland, but > there is also a mention on IGI that Robert BRUCE was born on that day as > well. Could he have changed his name? > > How can I found out that Robert BRUCE's parents were James BRUCE and Agnes > HENDERSON. Because I could be following a false lead. > > Any help appreciated. > > Sylvia > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:29:00 -0600 > From: hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Robert or Thomas BRUCE > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4A9DCA5C.90603@telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > It would appear that they had eight kids but I don't see a Robert in the > group > List all Roberts from 1800s in MLN, no Hendersons listed as birth Mom. > Also listed all Thomas births in 1800 for MLN and a Thomas does shoe up > > Did you do a search of Scotlands People website for the names, a search > is free only to view the data cost $.00 > > Anyways hope the info helps in some fashion > > Bob > Cdn > -------------------- > > BRUCE > Jane > Christening > Gender: Female > Birth Date: 5 Oct 1807 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: James BRUCE > Mother: Agnes HENDERSON > Source: FHL Film 1066688 > Dates: 1807 - 1807 > > BRUCE > William > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 8 Jan 1810 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: James BRUCE > Mother: Agnes HENDERSON > Source: FHL Film 1066688 > Dates: 1809 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Jane > Christening > Gender: Female > Birth Date: 11 Feb 1812 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: James BRUCE > Mother: Agnes HENDERSON > Source: FHL Film 1066688 > Dates: 1809 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Agnes > Christening > Gender: Female > Birth Date: 22 Oct 1814 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: James BRUCE > Mother: Agnes HENDERSON > Source: FHL Film 1066688 > Dates: 1809 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Walter > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 2 Aug 1820 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: James BRUCE > Mother: Agnes HENDERSON > Source: FHL Film 1066691 > Dates: 1809 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Margaret > Christening > Gender: Female > Birth Date: 4 May 1823 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: James BRUCE > Mother: Agnes HENDERSON > Source: FHL Film 1066691 > Dates: 1809 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 3 Jun 1825 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Blotter Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Collection: Edinburgh Blotter > Father: James BRUCE > Mother: Agnes HENDERSON > Source: FHL Film 1068158 + > Dates: 1813 - 1850 > > BRUCE > Henry > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 17 Apr 1828 > Birthplace: Saint Cuthberts Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Collection: St Cuthbert > Father: James BRUCE > Mother: Agnes HENDERSON > Source: FHL Film 1066761 > Dates: 1813 - 1855 > ------------------- > Robert Bruce Births 1800s > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 23 Dec 1790 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: William BRUCE > Mother: Margaret MONRO > Source: FHL Film 1066687 > Dates: 1790 - 1790 > > BRUCE > Robert > Allan > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 12 Jul 1796 > Christening Date: 24 Jul 1796 > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Collection: Canongate > Father: Francis BRUCE > Mother: Mary CHRISTALL > Source: FHL Film 1067742 > Dates: 1795 - 1830 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 27 Sep 1801 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: Robert BRUCE > Mother: Mary GOWANS > Source: FHL Film 1066687 > Dates: 1801 - 1801 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 8 Dec 1803 > Christening Date: 15 Dec 1803 > Recorded in: Liberton Midlothian Scotland > Father: Robert BRUCE > Mother: Susan SHAW > Source: FHL Film 1067783 > Dates: 1771 - 1820 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 4 Nov 1808 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: Robert BRUCE > Mother: Janet RITCHIE > Source: FHL Film 1066688 > Dates: 1808 - 1849 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 23 Jul 1813 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: David BRUCE > Mother: Frances WALKER > Source: FHL Film 1066688 > Dates: 1809 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 11 Jan 1817 > Christening Date: 12 Jan 1817 > Recorded in: Liberton Midlothian Scotland > Father: John BRUCE > Mother: Janet FULTON > Source: FHL Film 1067783 > Dates: 1814 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 29 Oct 1822 > Christening Date: 9 Nov 1822 > Recorded in: North Leith Midlothian Scotland > Father: Jonathan BRUCE > Mother: Janet MCROBERT > Source: FHL Film 1067767 > Dates: 1807 - 1844 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 21 Dec 1823 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: William BRUCE > Mother: Catharine GALBREATH > Source: FHL Film 1066691 > Dates: 1809 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 15 Apr 1825 > Christening Date: 23 May 1825 > Recorded in: Crichton Midlothian Scotland > Father: Andrew BRUCE > Mother: Janet STAIG > Source: FHL Film 1066677 > Dates: 1689 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Robert > Stevenson > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 19 Oct 1826 > Birthplace: North Leith Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: North Leith Midlothian Scotland > Father: George BRUCE > Mother: Jane THOMSON > Source: FHL Film 1067767 > Dates: 1824 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 17 Oct 1827 > Christening Date: 15 Jan 1828 > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: Robert BRUCE > Mother: Mary YOUNG > Source: FHL Film 1066691 > Dates: 1809 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 8 Sep 1828 > Birthplace: Saint Cuthberts Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Collection: St Cuthbert > Father: William BRUCE > Mother: Agnes MORRISON > Source: FHL Film 1066763 > Dates: 1813 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 19 Aug 1835 > Birthplace: Saint Cuthberts Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Collection: St Cuthbert > Father: Alexander BRUCE > Mother: Mary MUIR > Source: FHL Film 1040214 > Dates: 1813 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 23 Mar 1842 > Christening Date: 12 May 1842 > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Collection: Canongate > Father: William BRUCE > Mother: Ann SMART > Source: FHL Film 1067747 > Dates: 1811 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Robert > Smyth > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 27 May 1842 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: Joseph BRUCE > Mother: Jane FRASER > Source: FHL Film 1066692 > Dates: 1809 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 4 Jan 1847 > Birthplace: Canongate Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Collection: Canongate > Father: Robert BRUCE > Mother: Ann LOW > Source: FHL Film 1067747 > Dates: 1811 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Robert > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 19 Feb 1851 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: David John BRUCE > Mother: Martha HAY > Source: FHL Film 1066693 > Dates: 1809 - 1855 > ---------------------------- > Thomas Bruce > > BRUCE > Thomas > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 3 Mar 1798 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: John BRUCE > Mother: Katharine ANDREW > Source: FHL Film 1066687 > Dates: 1798 - 1798 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 29 Aug 1808 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: Thomas BRUCE > Mother: Clementina DUNDAS > Source: FHL Film 1066688 > Dates: 1808 - 1849 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Watson > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 14 Dec 1817 > Christening Date: 15 Jan 1818 > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Collection: St Cuthbert > Father: Edward BRUCE > Mother: Janetta WATSON > Source: FHL Film 1066756 > Dates: 1806 - 1826 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 5 Jun 1818 > Christening Date: 9 Jun 1818 > Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland > Father: James BRUCE > Mother: Robina KEMP > Source: FHL Film 1067779 > Dates: 1791 - 1835 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Christening > Gender: > Birth Date: 1 Mar 1819 > Christening Date: 22 Mar 1819 > Recorded in: Temple Midlothian Scotland > Father: John BRUCE > Mother: Janet NIVEN > Source: FHL Film 1067792 > Dates: 1806 - 1854 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 3 Jun 1825 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: John BRUCE > Mother: Agnes HENDERSON > Source: FHL Film 1066691 > Dates: 1809 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 3 Jun 1825 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Blotter Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Collection: Edinburgh Blotter > Father: James BRUCE > Mother: Agnes HENDERSON > Source: FHL Film 1068158 + > Dates: 1813 - 1850 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 9 Mar 1834 > Christening Date: 16 May 1834 > Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland > Father: Thomas BRUCE > Mother: Matilda GLOAG > Source: FHL Film 1067775 > Dates: 1791 - 1835 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 22 Mar 1848 > Christening Date: 20 Apr 1848 > Recorded in: Penicuik Midlothian Scotland > Father: Adam BRUCE > Mother: Janet LEADBETTER > Source: FHL Film 1067789 > Dates: 1805 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 18 Jul 1849 > Christening Date: 14 Sep 1849 > Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland > Father: Thomas BRUCE > Mother: Elizabeth STEVENSON > Source: FHL Film 1067776 + > Dates: 1817 - 1857 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 27 Nov 1851 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: David BRUCE > Mother: Allison LOGAN > Source: FHL Film 1066693 > Dates: 1809 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Purvis > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 3 Apr 1854 > Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Father: Thomas Purvis BRUCE > Mother: Helen CLARK > Source: FHL Film 1066693 > Dates: 1809 - 1855 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Purvis > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 3 Apr 1854 Birthplace: Warrenmsusa > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Collection: Potter Row; United Presbyterian > Father: Thomas Purvis BRUCE > Mother: Helen CLARK > Source: FHL Film 1484435 > Dates: 1795 - 1857 > Note: FRCH3V117NO7P90 > > BRUCE > Thomas > R. > Christening > Gender: > Christening Date: 27 Aug 1861 > Recorded in: Leith Midlothian Scotland > Collection: Mariners; Free Church > Source: FHL Film 889483 > Dates: 1841 - 1881 > > BRUCE > Thomas > Christening > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 8 Aug 1867 > Christening Date: 15 Sep 1867 > Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland > Collection: Bread Street; United Presbyterian > Father: George BRUCE > Mother: Elisabeth M. > Source: FHL Film 1484433 > Dates: 1829 - 1874 > Note: FRCH3V112NO1P176 > > =================== > Sylvia Whautere wrote: <SNIP>... I have found records of 7 children born > to James BRUCE and Agnes HENDERSON. I can find no evidence that they had > a son called Robert. There was a Thomas BRUCE born 3 June 1825 in > Canongate, Scotland, but there is also a mention on IGI that Robert > BRUCE was born on that day as well. Could he have changed his name?... > =================== > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MIDLOTHIAN list administrator, send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MIDLOTHIAN mailing list, send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MIDLOTHIAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 153 > ****************************************** >

Hello Sylvia I started writing this message about a month ago, saved it to my drafts and forgot about it. Sorry! I had a look to see if I could find out what happened to Robert's father who was dead when the family emigrated in 1838. James BRUCE senior died of jaundice aged "50" in 1832. Place of death is given as "The Dean" in Edinburgh. The death appears in the registers of the parish of St Cuthbert's. There is an area called the Dean Village in central Edinburgh so the family may have moved there from the Canongate. Robert's brother Walter died of "brain inflammation" at The Dean in 1833. I am not sure about Robert's brother James. A James BRUCE born Edinburgh was transported for 14 years to Van Diemen's Land in 1833 for theft and previous conviction but he was 19 and of no fixed abode. He was transported on the Moffatt in January 1834. I will send you images of the death entries off-list. Rhoda

Hello Sylvia The Robert BRUCE that sailed to Australia on the Portland in 1838 was the son of the Agnes HENDERSON and the late James BRUCE. That is confirmed by the ship's manifest (my earlier message of 3 August). He was 13 years old so born in 1825. I doubt you will be able to prove that his birth was registered as Thomas BRUCE born 3 June 1825 but you don't really need to worry about that because you know who Robert's parents were. On the other hand it is a mystery! I do find it a bit strange that the original birth registration for Thomas BRUCE born 3 June 1825 recorded the father quite clearly as JOHN Bruce (mother Agnes HENDERSON) but that the same entry is indexed on Scotlands People twice; firstly under a father's name of John and secondly under a father's name of James. This suggests that someone has asked Scotlands People to correct the index entry. It might be worthwhile contacting them to ask about this. If, as it seems, the parish clerk got the father's name wrong he may also have got the son's name wrong i.e. what was meant to be 'Robert' was entered as 'Thomas'. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Whautere" <s.whautere@xtra.co.nz> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:29 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Robert or Thomas BRUCE >I have found records of 7 children born to James BRUCE and Agnes HENDERSON. >I can find no evidence that they had a son called Robert. There was a >Thomas BRUCE born 3 June 1825 in Canongate, Scotland, but there is also a >mention on IGI that Robert BRUCE was born on that day as well. Could he >have changed his name? > > How can I found out that Robert BRUCE's parents were James BRUCE and Agnes > HENDERSON. Because I could be following a false lead. > > Any help appreciated. > > Sylvia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have found records of 7 children born to James BRUCE and Agnes HENDERSON. I can find no evidence that they had a son called Robert. There was a Thomas BRUCE born 3 June 1825 in Canongate, Scotland, but there is also a mention on IGI that Robert BRUCE was born on that day as well. Could he have changed his name? How can I found out that Robert BRUCE's parents were James BRUCE and Agnes HENDERSON. Because I could be following a false lead. Any help appreciated. Sylvia

It would appear that they had eight kids but I don't see a Robert in the group List all Roberts from 1800s in MLN, no Hendersons listed as birth Mom. Also listed all Thomas births in 1800 for MLN and a Thomas does shoe up Did you do a search of Scotlands People website for the names, a search is free only to view the data cost $.00 Anyways hope the info helps in some fashion Bob Cdn -------------------- BRUCE Jane Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 5 Oct 1807 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James BRUCE Mother: Agnes HENDERSON Source: FHL Film 1066688 Dates: 1807 - 1807 BRUCE William Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 8 Jan 1810 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James BRUCE Mother: Agnes HENDERSON Source: FHL Film 1066688 Dates: 1809 - 1855 BRUCE Jane Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 11 Feb 1812 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James BRUCE Mother: Agnes HENDERSON Source: FHL Film 1066688 Dates: 1809 - 1855 BRUCE Agnes Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 22 Oct 1814 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James BRUCE Mother: Agnes HENDERSON Source: FHL Film 1066688 Dates: 1809 - 1855 BRUCE Walter Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 2 Aug 1820 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James BRUCE Mother: Agnes HENDERSON Source: FHL Film 1066691 Dates: 1809 - 1855 BRUCE Margaret Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 4 May 1823 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James BRUCE Mother: Agnes HENDERSON Source: FHL Film 1066691 Dates: 1809 - 1855 BRUCE Thomas Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 3 Jun 1825 Birthplace: Edinburgh Blotter Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: Edinburgh Blotter Father: James BRUCE Mother: Agnes HENDERSON Source: FHL Film 1068158 + Dates: 1813 - 1850 BRUCE Henry Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 17 Apr 1828 Birthplace: Saint Cuthberts Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: St Cuthbert Father: James BRUCE Mother: Agnes HENDERSON Source: FHL Film 1066761 Dates: 1813 - 1855 ------------------- Robert Bruce Births 1800s BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 23 Dec 1790 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: William BRUCE Mother: Margaret MONRO Source: FHL Film 1066687 Dates: 1790 - 1790 BRUCE Robert Allan Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 12 Jul 1796 Christening Date: 24 Jul 1796 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: Canongate Father: Francis BRUCE Mother: Mary CHRISTALL Source: FHL Film 1067742 Dates: 1795 - 1830 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 27 Sep 1801 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: Robert BRUCE Mother: Mary GOWANS Source: FHL Film 1066687 Dates: 1801 - 1801 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 8 Dec 1803 Christening Date: 15 Dec 1803 Recorded in: Liberton Midlothian Scotland Father: Robert BRUCE Mother: Susan SHAW Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 4 Nov 1808 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: Robert BRUCE Mother: Janet RITCHIE Source: FHL Film 1066688 Dates: 1808 - 1849 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 23 Jul 1813 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: David BRUCE Mother: Frances WALKER Source: FHL Film 1066688 Dates: 1809 - 1855 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 11 Jan 1817 Christening Date: 12 Jan 1817 Recorded in: Liberton Midlothian Scotland Father: John BRUCE Mother: Janet FULTON Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1814 - 1855 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 29 Oct 1822 Christening Date: 9 Nov 1822 Recorded in: North Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: Jonathan BRUCE Mother: Janet MCROBERT Source: FHL Film 1067767 Dates: 1807 - 1844 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 21 Dec 1823 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: William BRUCE Mother: Catharine GALBREATH Source: FHL Film 1066691 Dates: 1809 - 1855 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 15 Apr 1825 Christening Date: 23 May 1825 Recorded in: Crichton Midlothian Scotland Father: Andrew BRUCE Mother: Janet STAIG Source: FHL Film 1066677 Dates: 1689 - 1855 BRUCE Robert Stevenson Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Oct 1826 Birthplace: North Leith Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: North Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: George BRUCE Mother: Jane THOMSON Source: FHL Film 1067767 Dates: 1824 - 1855 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 17 Oct 1827 Christening Date: 15 Jan 1828 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: Robert BRUCE Mother: Mary YOUNG Source: FHL Film 1066691 Dates: 1809 - 1855 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 8 Sep 1828 Birthplace: Saint Cuthberts Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: St Cuthbert Father: William BRUCE Mother: Agnes MORRISON Source: FHL Film 1066763 Dates: 1813 - 1855 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Aug 1835 Birthplace: Saint Cuthberts Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: St Cuthbert Father: Alexander BRUCE Mother: Mary MUIR Source: FHL Film 1040214 Dates: 1813 - 1855 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 23 Mar 1842 Christening Date: 12 May 1842 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: Canongate Father: William BRUCE Mother: Ann SMART Source: FHL Film 1067747 Dates: 1811 - 1855 BRUCE Robert Smyth Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 27 May 1842 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: Joseph BRUCE Mother: Jane FRASER Source: FHL Film 1066692 Dates: 1809 - 1855 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 4 Jan 1847 Birthplace: Canongate Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: Canongate Father: Robert BRUCE Mother: Ann LOW Source: FHL Film 1067747 Dates: 1811 - 1855 BRUCE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Feb 1851 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: David John BRUCE Mother: Martha HAY Source: FHL Film 1066693 Dates: 1809 - 1855 ---------------------------- Thomas Bruce BRUCE Thomas Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 3 Mar 1798 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: John BRUCE Mother: Katharine ANDREW Source: FHL Film 1066687 Dates: 1798 - 1798 BRUCE Thomas Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 29 Aug 1808 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: Thomas BRUCE Mother: Clementina DUNDAS Source: FHL Film 1066688 Dates: 1808 - 1849 BRUCE Thomas Watson Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 14 Dec 1817 Christening Date: 15 Jan 1818 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: St Cuthbert Father: Edward BRUCE Mother: Janetta WATSON Source: FHL Film 1066756 Dates: 1806 - 1826 BRUCE Thomas Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 5 Jun 1818 Christening Date: 9 Jun 1818 Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: James BRUCE Mother: Robina KEMP Source: FHL Film 1067779 Dates: 1791 - 1835 BRUCE Thomas Christening Gender: Birth Date: 1 Mar 1819 Christening Date: 22 Mar 1819 Recorded in: Temple Midlothian Scotland Father: John BRUCE Mother: Janet NIVEN Source: FHL Film 1067792 Dates: 1806 - 1854 BRUCE Thomas Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 3 Jun 1825 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: John BRUCE Mother: Agnes HENDERSON Source: FHL Film 1066691 Dates: 1809 - 1855 BRUCE Thomas Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 3 Jun 1825 Birthplace: Edinburgh Blotter Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: Edinburgh Blotter Father: James BRUCE Mother: Agnes HENDERSON Source: FHL Film 1068158 + Dates: 1813 - 1850 BRUCE Thomas Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 9 Mar 1834 Christening Date: 16 May 1834 Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: Thomas BRUCE Mother: Matilda GLOAG Source: FHL Film 1067775 Dates: 1791 - 1835 BRUCE Thomas Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 22 Mar 1848 Christening Date: 20 Apr 1848 Recorded in: Penicuik Midlothian Scotland Father: Adam BRUCE Mother: Janet LEADBETTER Source: FHL Film 1067789 Dates: 1805 - 1855 BRUCE Thomas Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 18 Jul 1849 Christening Date: 14 Sep 1849 Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: Thomas BRUCE Mother: Elizabeth STEVENSON Source: FHL Film 1067776 + Dates: 1817 - 1857 BRUCE Thomas Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 27 Nov 1851 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: David BRUCE Mother: Allison LOGAN Source: FHL Film 1066693 Dates: 1809 - 1855 BRUCE Thomas Purvis Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 3 Apr 1854 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: Thomas Purvis BRUCE Mother: Helen CLARK Source: FHL Film 1066693 Dates: 1809 - 1855 BRUCE Thomas Purvis Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 3 Apr 1854 Birthplace: Warrenmsusa Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: Potter Row; United Presbyterian Father: Thomas Purvis BRUCE Mother: Helen CLARK Source: FHL Film 1484435 Dates: 1795 - 1857 Note: FRCH3V117NO7P90 BRUCE Thomas R. Christening Gender: Christening Date: 27 Aug 1861 Recorded in: Leith Midlothian Scotland Collection: Mariners; Free Church Source: FHL Film 889483 Dates: 1841 - 1881 BRUCE Thomas Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 8 Aug 1867 Christening Date: 15 Sep 1867 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: Bread Street; United Presbyterian Father: George BRUCE Mother: Elisabeth M. Source: FHL Film 1484433 Dates: 1829 - 1874 Note: FRCH3V112NO1P176 =================== Sylvia Whautere wrote: <SNIP>... I have found records of 7 children born to James BRUCE and Agnes HENDERSON. I can find no evidence that they had a son called Robert. There was a Thomas BRUCE born 3 June 1825 in Canongate, Scotland, but there is also a mention on IGI that Robert BRUCE was born on that day as well. Could he have changed his name?... ===================

I found these pages with information about Mortcloths and funeral traditions in Scotland.  It was new information for me, and thought I'd share with the group, in the event that others may also lack information on this area..    http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bldr/funerals.html   http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bldr/customs2.html   Mary

Hi, I have been going through my archives to see what else I can share and have added a few more deaths and marriages that were filed out of place to http://www.howdiie.com But have also found where I had transcribed from a Film of Sassines in Clackmannan some of the wording and abbreviations I do not quite understand and I have below three and wonder if someone could advise exactly what is meant. Any help greatly appreciated. Regards Jenny SASSINES CLACKMANNAN 1781 -1868 1789 William NUCCLE sen., Mercant, Alloa, Scised, June 16 1789 in a Tenement in Kirk Street, Alloa – on disp. By Margaret BACHOP & William MCDOUGAL, shoemaker, Alloa, her husband, Dec 11, 1788 Thomas HUTTON, tenant, Balgownie, Scised, Aug 3 1789 – in tenements in Alloa – in security of ₤50 – on Bond & Disp by William Hutton in Alloa, Jul 27, 1789 David WYLLIE, Shoemaker, clackmannan, as heir to David WYLIE, weaver there, his father, Scised, aug 24 1789 - in a Tenement in Clackmannan - on Disp. by Alison DONALDSON, daughter of Alexander DONALDSON, Weaver, Stenhouse Mills, near Edinburgh to the said David WYLLIE sen., Jun 21 1764: & Ret. Gen. Serv. Jul 23 1780: & Christian INGLIS, his spouse, Scised, cod. die. in lifer _________________________________________________________________ Take a peek at other people's pay and perks Check out The Great Australian Pay Check http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/

Good morning Jenny, This site should answer all your questions http://www.scan.org.uk/researchrtools/glossary_s.htm Almost always gives me the answers I need !! Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh Snip. > Hi, > > I have been going through my archives to see what else I can share and > have added a few more deaths and marriages that were filed out of place to > http://www.howdiie.com But have also found where I had transcribed from a > Film of Sassines in Clackmannan some of the wording and abbreviations I do > not quite understand and I have below three and wonder if someone could > advise exactly what is meant. > Any help greatly appreciated. > Regards Jenny >

Is anyone researching the family of Georgina LAMB who married Robert TEMPLE 1870, Cranston. Georgina was born Pencaitland 1847 / 48. Robert born c 1849 in Cranston. Known children who show in census, Robert Sanderson 1872; William Livingston 1874; Helen c 1879; all born Cranston, Janet Davidson c 1879; Elizabeth / Lizzie 1884 ; Mary c 1887, born Cramond . When Georgina died, in 1918, she was living 17 High St., Bonnyrigg, her son William living 57 Polton St., Bonnyrigg, was the informant. I understand that Janet Davidson Temple, married William Knox 1901 in Bonnyrigg. Mary

Hello List, I have the Surnames Ritchie, Plain & Cunningham in my family and would love to find out if Robert Plain the Nephew of my 4X Great Grandmother Isobel Plain and who was married to two Elizabeth Ritchie's, were these two Elizabeth Ritchies related in anyway? I know that Robert Plain born 8 Mar 1825 in West Dough, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland was first married on 31 Dec 1847 in Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland to Elizabeth Ritchie born between 1825 & 1826 in Inveresk, Midlothian, Scotland. I have Elizabeth's death certificate which states she was the daughter of James Ritchie (Seaman) in other words Fisherman (Deceased) and Robina Ritchie nee Kerr (Deceased). I have looked for a birth for Elizabeth Ritchie and found one with father named James Ritchie but mothers name was Elizabeth Kerr. Do you think that Elizabeth the mother was nick named Robina having a daughter named Elizabeth. I am also trying to find a link between my Elizabeth/Betsy Ritchie and Elizabeth Plain nee Ritchie. You see after Roberts 1st wife Elizabeth Ritchie died in 1870 Robert Plain then went on to marry my 2X Great Grandmothers sister Elizabeth/Betsy Ritchie born 4 Feb 1838 in Musselburgh, Inveresk, Midlothian, Scotland. Elizabeth (Betsy) Ritchie was the daughter of Alexander Ritchie and Christian/Christina Cunningham. And Christian/Christina Cunningham was the daughter of James Cunningham and Isobel Plain.. Any help would be greatfully received. Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves

Hi Mary,            I am sorry I cannot answer your question though undoubtedly I have learnt far more history pursuing the family tree than ever I did in the classroom.   Much of it on these lists though also books I have been enticed to read simply to get the background. Sadly not all of it sticks any more than all of it did as a kid! So someone will know.            You have however prompted me to ask one of my own, so I have adapted the header. John Thompson husband of Barbara Weir was born in abt 1808 and served as a private in the 42nd regiment of Royal highland (Black Watch). he disappears between 1851 when he was on a census and 1859 when his wife remarried.               I think he died in the Crimea but John Thompson is a common name and I would like to be sure and also to know more. can anyone point me in the right direction?  Thankyou                Moira --- On Mon, 31/8/09, Mary Guler <mlmguler@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Mary Guler <mlmguler@yahoo.com> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Historical question To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 31 August, 2009, 3:41 AM I have found in baptismal records, a reference to the father and the witnesses being "foot soldiers" or "soldiers in Captain And. Stewart's company".  The timeframe is 1675 plus or minus 10 years.  The family is living between Glasgow and Edinburgh, with babies baptised in both locations.  Interestingly, the wife/mother's name (maiden) is Grisell Stewart, and her father is William Stewart, and she has siblings William and Charles Stewart.  She was born in Perthshire, in Methvan.  Her mother isn't named in the baptismal records, but I find a marriage of William Stewart to Grisall Irland (Ireland) in the right timeframe and place, so I believe this is the family.   I know that Stewarts are a distinguished family and come from Perthshire......but are these people part of that family?  I have read that there are 3 clans of Stewarts.  I am also trying to understand what was going on politically.  Wasn't this the era of the Ulster Plantation?  Were these foot soldiers likely conventers?  I wish I had learned more world history while i was in school!   I'd be grateful for any insight .   Mary        ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message