http://books.google.com/books?id=xYsUAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA620&dq=Barony+of+Newton+%22Fifeshire%22&lr=&ei=oSlnSKudKZnstAPI6Ni4Bg#PRA1-PA642,M1 The property amd residence of John Hutcheson Fergusson 
Home, eldest son of the late James Fergusson, of Cross Hill, 
Ayrshire, Esq., advocate, one of the Principal Clerk of Session, 
Edinburgh, by Mary, daughter of Captain John Home of 
Bassendean ; Major late 33d Regiment, Bengal Infantry; Captain-
Commandant 4th Berwickshire Rifle Volunteers; mc- 
ceeded, 1860, his nncle, Lient.-General John Home Home of 
Btuaendean, formerly of the Grenadier Guards, Commander of 
t Post town for Bassendean and the locality— Gordon, Kolso. H.M. Forces in Canada, Colonel of theSG'h Regiment, whoso name and arms he assumed ; married (1st), 1851, Jane Anne, eldest daughter of the late James Walker, Esq, of Dairy (she died in 1862) ; (3d), in 1861, Dorothea, youngest daughter of the late Hugh Vuitch, Esq., of Stewart6eld ; has no issue. Ii Lord of the Barony of Basseydean. This estate is said, in Douglas' Peerage, nnder the title of " Earl of Home," to have belonged to the ancient family of Sir John Home of Cowdinknowea. The present Earl is said to be descended from the eldest son (of Sir John Home), and William, his brother, got the estate of Basaendean in 1577 by royal charter granted by King James VI. — "in recommpensa- tione of his service in the lang weirs against England and of the gryt heirs-hippes be anatainit." Major Fergnsaon Home i» lineally descended from the said William, and Sir John Home of Kowdinknowes, by Margaret Kerr of Ceaaford, his wife. Residences — E. I. U. S. Club, St. James' Square, London ; U. S. Club, Edinburgh. SPOTTISWOODE. The seat and residence of 'John Spottiawoode, Esq. of Spottis- woode, eldest son of the late John Spottiswoode, Esq. ; bora 1780; succeeded 1805; married, 1809, Helen, daughter of Andrew Wanchope, Esq. of Niddrie Mariachall, Mid-Lothian, and has issue — John, bora llth August 1811, Lieut. -Col. Grenadier Guards; died, unmarried, 3rd November 1816. Andrew, born 18th October 1812, Colonel in the Army, commanded the 1st Dragoon Guards in the Crimea and in India ; married Emily-Jane, second daughter of Lieut.-Col. Campbell, 9th Lancers ; and died, 12th August 1862, leaving a daughter. Alicia-Ann (see Kirkbank, pp. 170, 171). Margaret Penelope (see Marohmont House, p. 624). Mr. Spottiswoode is a Justice of Peace and Deputy-Lieut, for Berwickshire, and Lord of the barony of Spottiiwoode. London address — Carlton Club, S.W. The family of Spottiiwoode have had a local habitation and a name in this district before the commencement of authentic history, and several of ita members have attained the highest honoura in various departments both in church and state. The celebrated Archbishop Spottiswoode was a member of thin family ; thia memorable prelate, the author of the History of the Church of Scotland, was born in 1565. In 1633 he had the high honour of crowning King Charles I. at Holy rood, and waa afterwards appointed Lord High Chancellor of the kingdom. Jim Walker Scotland Forever! scotlandforever7@sbcglobal.net Comcast Television Interview - Scottish Highland Games http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fDf2JshQ74 19 months old - completely blind - sings 7 songs!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TIiH1hVW6I MySpace Website http://www.myspace.com/101438851 --- On Wed, 10/14/09, midlothian-request@rootsweb.com <midlothian-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > From: midlothian-request@rootsweb.com <midlothian-request@rootsweb.com> > Subject: MIDLOTHIAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 172 > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 12:00 AM > > > Today's Topics: > >    1. Place of interest (Jan Lannan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:26:16 +1100 > From: Jan Lannan <lannanjan@gmail.com> > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Place of interest > To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: >     <4e4e61a60910132226q3eb9d993u606a6cb095fededc@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I am looking for help in trying to locate a village or > place. I have been > led to believe there was once a place named Spottiswoode > (unsure of the > actual spelling) which appears to no longer to exist; this > is not unusual. > My GG grandmother was Agnes SPOTTISWOOD, born in Kirkliston > this village > seems to span two counties, Midlothian and West Lothian. > The closest I can > get from GENUKI Scotland is John SPOTTISWOODE who was born > in Greenbank, Mid > Calder and later became Archbishop of St Andrews. I know > there is a family > connection but am keen to get an historical perspective of > the area and > where the various family members may have lived, Cramond > being another > Spottiswoode place of interest. > > I would appreciate any help in pointing me in a direction > that will help. > > Regards, Jan > >From wet and windy Gippsland AUST > > Researching; LANNAN/LENNON, ROBERTSON, AITKEN, SPOTTISWOOD > in SCT > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MIDLOTHIAN list administrator, send an email > to > MIDLOTHIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MIDLOTHIAN mailing list, send an > email to MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MIDLOTHIAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 172 > ****************************************** >

Good morning Jan, See http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/John_Spottiswoode#encyclopedia and http://www.electricscotland.com/history/nation/spottiswood.htm For Spottiswoode and its connections to the Spottiswoode family see http://www.bccforum.info/Gordon/westruther_page.asp?Org_ID=18 Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh Snip >I am looking for help in trying to locate a village or place. I have been > led to believe there was once a place named Spottiswoode (unsure of the > actual spelling) which appears to no longer to exist; this is not unusual.

Entries from MLN/WLN that may assist in your research: Bob Cdn. ------------ SPOTTISWOOD Henrie Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 6 Sep 1598 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James SPOTTISWOOD Source: FHL Film 1066661 Dates: 1595 - 1616 SPOTTIS Euphame Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 29 Jun 1609 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: Peter SPOTTIS Mother: Agnes YOUNG Source: FHL Film 1066661 Dates: 1595 - 1616 SPOTTS Margaret Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 12 May 1614 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: Peter SPOTTS Mother: Agnes YOUNG Source: FHL Film 1066661 Dates: 1595 - 1616 SPOTTISWOD Thomas Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 26 Mar 1615 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: Canongate Father: Johne SPOTTISWOD Source: FHL Film 1067739 Dates: 1600 - 1625 SPOTTISWOOD Robert Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 7 Dec 1673 Recorded in: Cramond Midlothian Scotland Father: James SPOTTISWOOD Mother: Agnas SAMUEL Source: FHL Film 103009 + Dates: 1651 - 1820 SPOTTISWOOD John Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 9 Sep 1677 Recorded in: West Calder Midlothian Scotland Father: William SPOTTISWOOD Mother: Agnes ROSS Source: FHL Film 1067793 Dates: 1674 - 1688 SPOTTISWOOD John Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 20 Feb 1702 Recorded in: Cramond Midlothian Scotland Father: Archbald SPOTTISWOOD Mother: Mary FRAZER Source: FHL Film 103009 + Dates: 1651 - 1820 SPOTTISWOOD Janet Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 17 Apr 1794 Christening Date: 26 Apr 1794 Recorded in: Kirkliston West Lothian Scotland Father: William SPOTTISWOOD Mother: Janet MITCHELL Source: FHL Film 1066630 Dates: 1692 - 1855 SPOTTISWOOD James Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 10 Dec 1795 Christening Date: 24 Dec 1795 Recorded in: Kirkliston West Lothian Scotland Father: William SPOTTISWOOD Mother: Janet MITCHELL Source: FHL Film 1066630 Dates: 1692 - 1855 SPOTTISWOOD William Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 11 Oct 1795 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James SPOTTISWOOD Mother: Margaret MELDRUM Source: FHL Film 1066687 Dates: 1793 - 1795 SPOTTSWOOD Ann Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 18 Nov 1808 Christening Date: 27 Nov 1808 Recorded in: Dalkeith Midlothian Scotland Father: John SPOTTSWOOD Mother: Ann ECCLES Source: FHL Film 1066680 Dates: 1805 - 1855 SPOTTSWOOD William Frederick C. Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 18 Mar 1810 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: William SPOTTSWOOD Mother: Isabella KNOX Source: FHL Film 1066688 Dates: 1809 - 1855 SPOTTSWOOD James Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 14 Jul 1814 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: Morris SPOTTSWOOD Mother: Janet KINLOCH Source: FHL Film 1066688 Dates: 1809 - 1855 ================== Jan Lannan wrote: > I am looking for help in trying to locate a village or place. I have been > led to believe there was once a place named Spottiswoode (unsure of the > actual spelling) which appears to no longer to exist; this is not unusual. > My GG grandmother was Agnes SPOTTISWOOD, born in Kirkliston ... > =============

I am seeking a marriage of John Robertson ... possibly born around the late 1700 to early 1800's, who supposedly married a Margaret More (Moore ?) who was born South Leith Scotland UK in 1793 and died South Leith 1881. I have their son, Edward born 1821 on whose death certificate it states that his parents were the above, and also have Edward's baptism, verified by a friend at the Edinburgh Research Centre, as being born 11th and baptised 15th Feb 1921 at the St James' Episcopal Church, Constitution Street, Leith, Scotland. I have no data what so ever on these two., Without this I can not get further back in my Family Tree. The only information I have in connection with them, is Edward the son, aged 20 in a census of : Salamander Street, Leith South Ecclesiastical Parish.... (ROBERTSON Edward aged 20, Bottlemaker Appren .. Midlothian ) with a Robt and Jane Mason and Thomas Henderson. I realise that data from before 1855 is difficult to find, and also from this Church, But someone out there may just come across it of have them in their Tree. Any help would be appreciated. robbiej

On October 19 1877, William Campbell married Margaret Smith in Edinburgh. He was a miner and worked in the mines in and around the area. They had 11 children that I am aware of, however I am only aware of 2 marriages of their children. One of the children was ALLAN EASTON CAMPBELL married EUPHEMIA BROWN HALLIDAY on December 31 1925 in Dalkeith, Midlothian. I am attempting to connect with descendants of this family as well as the other families. They all seemed to be located in the vicinity of Midlothian but some may have relocated in Lanarkshire as this was where the Campbell's and Easton's were from. If anyone has any information on this particular family please contact me on of off the list. Thank you Frank Easton Alberta Canada

Are you certain the 1881 death you found is the right one? I viewed a death registration at ScotlandsPeople for a Margaret Robertson, widow of John Robertson, journeyman mason, who died at the age of 86 in South Leith on 5 Aug 1881 and she was the daughter of Walter and Margaret Jack. I didn't see any other Margaret Robertsons who died in 1881 listed there. Jacquie Winnipeg, MB Canada -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of robbiej Sent: October 11, 2009 7:50 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SEEKING Marriage of John Robertson to Margaret More? I am seeking a marriage of John Robertson ... possibly born around the late 1700 to early 1800's, who supposedly married a Margaret More (Moore ?) who was born South Leith Scotland UK in 1793 and died South Leith 1881. I have their son, Edward born 1821 on whose death certificate it states that his parents were the above, and also have Edward's baptism, verified by a friend at the Edinburgh Research Centre, as being born 11th and baptised 15th Feb 1921 at the St James' Episcopal Church, Constitution Street, Leith, Scotland. I have no data what so ever on these two., Without this I can not get further back in my Family Tree. The only information I have in connection with them, is Edward the son, aged 20 in a census of : Salamander Street, Leith South Ecclesiastical Parish.... (ROBERTSON Edward aged 20, Bottlemaker Appren .. Midlothian ) with a Robt and Jane Mason and Thomas Henderson. I realise that data from before 1855 is difficult to find, and also from this Church, But someone out there may just come across it of have them in their Tree. Any help would be appreciated. robbiej

We have different children listed.  I have James, Thomas, Walter, Lewis, and Peter,  It seems like there might be a generation missing because of the difference in the children's names and birthdates.   Thank You for your help. Dee H. genluver_2@yahoo.com I cannot breathe life into you I can only be. --- On Sun, 9/27/09, hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> wrote: From: hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Hogg - Blackburn To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Cc: VA-ROLLCALL@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 8:06 AM Dee, These Hogg/Blackburn names may fit into your research folder but the initial dates are off by a few years. Bob Cdn --------------- HOG Janet Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 9 Sep 1716 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLACKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG Peter Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 8 Jan 1719 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLAICKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG Robert Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 14 Mar 1721 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLACKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG James Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 16 Apr 1723 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLAIKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG Alexander Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 14 Feb 1725 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLACKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG William Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Dec 1726 Christening Date: 27 Dec 1726 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLACKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG Lewis Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 3 Apr 1728 Christening Date: 9 Apr 1728 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLACKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG Charles Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 2 Aug 1729 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLACKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 ============= Dee H. wrote, <SNIP>... Father of Peter James Hog/Hogg DOB abt 1680-89  Edinburgh, Scotland DOD Before 1717  Edinburgh?... ============= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would be interested in connecting with anyone who is descended from the following marriage OR anyone who has information on any descendants. ELIZABETH SCOULER BURNETT was born July 4 1904 in the Parish of Dalkeith in the County of Edinburgh to ALEXANDER BURNETT and ELIZA (CROZIER) BURNETT. She married one of my 2nd cousin 1 gen removed by the name of JAMES DOUGLAS CAMPBELL. The marriage took place on June 17 1930 in the Parish of Dalkeith. James Douglas was the son of WILLIAM CAMPBELL and MARGARET SMITH. Due to the commonality of the names I am having difficulty locating any descendants of William Campbell and Margaret Smith. Would appreciate hearing on or off list from anyone with information on these particular families. Thank you. Frank Easton. Alberta Canada

Some more certificates Births 1885 Uphall Thomas GRANT 12 April 1885 Uphall Parents Thomas GRANT Shale Miner and Agnes Grant nee GRIERSON married January 1881 Clarkston sign Thomas Grant his mark father reg at Broxburn 25 April 1885 Thomas Hislop Michael COMISKIE 9 April 1885 at East End Broxburn Uphall Parents Michael COMISKIE Shale Miner and Rose Ann Comiskie nee BROWN married Broxburn 2 January 1883 sign Michael Comiske father reg Broxburn 29th April Thomas Hislop Hugh KIERNAN 25 April 42 ?gate Broxburn Uphall Parents John KIERNAN hamerman and Elizabeth Kiernan neee MORGAN married Glasgow 7 July 1874 sign John Kiernan father reg Broxburn 30th April Thomas Hislop Birth 1891 Uphall Jame McARTHUR 15 Feb ruary 1891 East End Broxburn Uphall Parents James McARTHUR Shale Miner and Janet McArthur nee CRAWFORD married December 1879 Broxburn sign James McArthur father reg Broxburn 17 Februaty 1891 Thomas Hislop Helen CUMISKY 15 February 1891 East End Broxburn Uphall Parents Michael CUMISKY Shale Miner and Rose Ann Cumisky nee BROWN married Broxburn 2 January 1883 sign Michael Cumisky father reg 17 February 1891 Broxburn Thomas Hislop Margaret REDMOND 18 February 1891 169 Back Street Broxburn Uphall Parents Matthew REDMOND Rotorman and Margaret Redmond nee McVICAR Married 24 March 1886 Ballymina Antrim sign Matthew Redmond his mark reg 18 February 1891 Broxburn Thomas Hislop written at the side is twin so I prsume there was another birth registed over the page Birth 1892 UPHALL Andrew DENHOLM 28 May 1892 86 Stewartfield Boxburn Uphall Parents Thomas Alison DENHOLM Labourer and Helen Denholm nee LAURIE married 1 June 1888 at Kirkliston sig T A Denholm father reg 18th June 1892 Broxburn Thomas Hislop Ann JENKINS 28 Mary 1892 28 Stewartfield Broxburn Uphall Parents Alexander JENKINS Shale Miner and Catherine Jenkins nee BARCLAY married 9 October 1885 Denny sign Catherine Jekins mother reg 20 June 1892 Broxburn Thomas Hislop Mary CUMISKY 31 May 1892 East End Broxburn Uphall Parents Michael CUMISKY Shale Miner and Rose Ann Cumisky ee BROWN married Broxburn 2 January 1883 sign Michael Cumisky father reg 21 June 1982 Broxburn Thomas Hislop Births 1887 Uphall Isabella Turner HUNTER 23 December 1887 15 Greendykes Road Broxburn Uphall Parents George HUNTER Shale Miner and Helen Hunter nee SMITH married August 1865 Bathgate sig George Hunter his mark reg 9 January 1889 Broxburn Thomas Hislop Euphemia SNEDDON 30 December 1887 29 Stewarfield Broxburn Uphall Parents Daniel SNEDDON Shale Miner and Margaret Sneddon nee MCMIN married June 1864 Kilsyth sig Daniel Sneddon father reg 14 January 1888 Broxburn Thomas Hislop Margaret CUMISKY 10th January 1888 East End Broxburn Uphall Parents Michael CUMISKY Shale Miner and Rose Ann Cumisky ee BROWN married Broxburn 2 January 1883 sign Michael Cumisky father reg 14 January 1888 Broxburn Thomas Hislop Rhona

Thank you very much for the info.  Dee H. genluver_2@yahoo.com I cannot breathe life into you I can only be.  

Hi william,                I did not proof read ny response sorry. Robert and Grizzel married 1746. The known children John 1748 Robert 1749 William 1755 and James1764 ; Isobel Janet and Grissel I have lines for Robert and James but no knowledge of John or Williams destiny. This is why I put Roberts parentage in case it rang any bells. His parents and grandparents married in St Ninians but it is not so far from Edinburgh to refute kinship. Parents John and Janet married in 1698 and Roberts sibs were John William and James Yes exactly as he named his own sons) Grandparents William and Margaret married about 1656 and the other known sons were William and Robert (distinct pausity of variation on this theme!)                 Moira ________________________________ From: William Garner <william@wgarner.com> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 27 September, 2009 3:35:29 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? Moira,  There is of course a big gap of 175 years between the Lauder-Aikman marriages! Let's look for others in between. But to help determine how closely related were our two Lauder families ,during the late 1700s and early 1800s, I would need to know the birth and death date as well as the localities of your earliest known George Lauder from ca 1830 and if possible the name of his parents and siblings.  There was a John Lauder who in 1771 in Currie witnessed the baptisms of three children of Thomas Lauder and Margaret Aikman.  Embarrassingly enough, there was also a John Lauder born illegitimately in 1809 in Markench (near Glenrothes) to my ggg-grandfather George Lauder (b.1784) with Margaret Brown, but I have no information about whose possible marriage or descendents of this John Lauder.  No Thomases appeared among our own future generations of Lauders either, almost exclusively Georges, so this seems less significant.  Thanks for inquiring. William  -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M LEDGER Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:26 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? William,            I suspect that the George derives as you suggest from King George but it may have been to honour uncle George (was he rich and childless or did he die just before these sons were born?)  However my greatest interst is in Thomas Lauder wjho married Margaret Aikman. I descend form a Robert Lauder of throsk who married a Grizzel Aikman in 1946 in St Ninians. Is there a kinship link to your Lauders. We believe Robert was the son of John Lauder and Janet Row and that John was the son of William Lauder and Margaret Wilsone.          Georges do appear in the line but not till 1830 and no Thomases appear so I have my doubts but Lauder - Aikman marriages cannot be that common!                         Moira ________________________________ From: William Garner <william@wgarner.com> To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 26 September, 2009 2:55:01 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? My gggg-grandparents, Thomas Lauder (b.1748, St Cuthbert's, Edinburgh) & Margaret Aikman from Currie, named their sons, James (b.1766, Currie), Thomas (b.1775, Currie) and George (b.1784, Currie), which seemed to follow the traditional naming custom, since James Lawther (b.1720 in Glencorse, later shoemaker in Edinburgh)  and his wife Elizabeth Smith appear to have been the parents of Thomas (b.1748), James (b.1750, St Cuthbert's) and George (b. 1752, St Cuthbert's).  However, contrary to the traditional custom of naming first born sons after the paternal grandfather,  all three of Thomas Lauder's sons, in their turn, named their first born sons "GEORGE":  the first son of James (b.1766) was George Lauder (b.1801, Gladmuir, Longniddrie, East Lothian); the first son of Thomas (b.1775) was George Lauder (b. 1798, St Cuthbert's); & the first born son of George (b.1784) was George Lauder (b. 1815, Dunfermline), from whom I descend. Although the name George already existed in the family as the great-uncle George (b.1752 as the younger brother of Thomas b.1748) and George was the name of the last Lauder of Bass in the mid-1600s, these sources do not seem sufficient to explain such surprising uniformity amongst three brothers against the traditional  naming custom.  So I ask, was there some political currency or reasons of patriotism during the period post- 1784 period and especially around 1798-1801 for Scots to name their first born sons "George" after then reigning King "George"?  William Garner ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Moira, Thank you. I will look through our records for possible connection on both the Lauder and Aikman sides. Please send any more information you might have on Grizzel Aikman, and her possible parents / grandparents. Her unusual first name might be easier to search for and identify that Robert Lauder. Our Margaret Aikman may be: Margaret Aitken born the year before in St Cuthberts Parish. "August 2nd 1747 John Aikman indweller at Cloakmill and Spouse Cathrine Schaw a Daughter, Margaret born 31st last July. Witt: William Pollack there and Joseph Watson, Potterrow." Her other siblings: 1738 Catharin 1740 Elizabeth 1742 Agnes 1744 Francis (daughter) William ( perhaps better to email directly William@wgarner.com ) -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M LEDGER Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:07 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? Hi william,                I did not proof read ny response sorry. Robert and Grizzel married 1746. The known children John 1748 Robert 1749 William 1755 and James1764 ; Isobel Janet and Grissel I have lines for Robert and James but no knowledge of John or Williams destiny. This is why I put Roberts parentage in case it rang any bells. His parents and grandparents married in St Ninians but it is not so far from Edinburgh to refute kinship. Parents John and Janet married in 1698 and Roberts sibs were John William and James Yes exactly as he named his own sons) Grandparents William and Margaret married about 1656 and the other known sons were William and Robert (distinct pausity of variation on this theme!)                 Moira ________________________________ From: William Garner <william@wgarner.com> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 27 September, 2009 3:35:29 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? Moira,  There is of course a big gap of 175 years between the Lauder-Aikman marriages! Let's look for others in between. But to help determine how closely related were our two Lauder families ,during the late 1700s and early 1800s, I would need to know the birth and death date as well as the localities of your earliest known George Lauder from ca 1830 and if possible the name of his parents and siblings.  There was a John Lauder who in 1771 in Currie witnessed the baptisms of three children of Thomas Lauder and Margaret Aikman.  Embarrassingly enough, there was also a John Lauder born illegitimately in 1809 in Markench (near Glenrothes) to my ggg-grandfather George Lauder (b.1784) with Margaret Brown, but I have no information about whose possible marriage or descendents of this John Lauder.  No Thomases appeared among our own future generations of Lauders either, almost exclusively Georges, so this seems less significant.  Thanks for inquiring. William  -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M LEDGER Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:26 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? William,            I suspect that the George derives as you suggest from King George but it may have been to honour uncle George (was he rich and childless or did he die just before these sons were born?)  However my greatest interst is in Thomas Lauder wjho married Margaret Aikman. I descend form a Robert Lauder of throsk who married a Grizzel Aikman in 1946 in St Ninians. Is there a kinship link to your Lauders. We believe Robert was the son of John Lauder and Janet Row and that John was the son of William Lauder and Margaret Wilsone.          Georges do appear in the line but not till 1830 and no Thomases appear so I have my doubts but Lauder - Aikman marriages cannot be that common!                         Moira ________________________________ From: William Garner <william@wgarner.com> To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 26 September, 2009 2:55:01 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? My gggg-grandparents, Thomas Lauder (b.1748, St Cuthbert's, Edinburgh) & Margaret Aikman from Currie, named their sons, James (b.1766, Currie), Thomas (b.1775, Currie) and George (b.1784, Currie), which seemed to follow the traditional naming custom, since James Lawther (b.1720 in Glencorse, later shoemaker in Edinburgh)  and his wife Elizabeth Smith appear to have been the parents of Thomas (b.1748), James (b.1750, St Cuthbert's) and George (b. 1752, St Cuthbert's).  However, contrary to the traditional custom of naming first born sons after the paternal grandfather,  all three of Thomas Lauder's sons, in their turn, named their first born sons "GEORGE":  the first son of James (b.1766) was George Lauder (b.1801, Gladmuir, Longniddrie, East Lothian); the first son of Thomas (b.1775) was George Lauder (b. 1798, St Cuthbert's); & the first born son of George (b.1784) was George Lauder (b. 1815, Dunfermline), from whom I descend. Although the name George already existed in the family as the great-uncle George (b.1752 as the younger brother of Thomas b.1748) and George was the name of the last Lauder of Bass in the mid-1600s, these sources do not seem sufficient to explain such surprising uniformity amongst three brothers against the traditional  naming custom.  So I ask, was there some political currency or reasons of patriotism during the period post- 1784 period and especially around 1798-1801 for Scots to name their first born sons "George" after then reigning King "George"?  William Garner ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Moira, There is of course a big gap of 175 years between the Lauder-Aikman marriages! Let's look for others in between. But to help determine how closely related were our two Lauder families ,during the late 1700s and early 1800s, I would need to know the birth and death date as well as the localities of your earliest known George Lauder from ca 1830 and if possible the name of his parents and siblings. There was a John Lauder who in 1771 in Currie witnessed the baptisms of three children of Thomas Lauder and Margaret Aikman. Embarrassingly enough, there was also a John Lauder born illegitimately in 1809 in Markench (near Glenrothes) to my ggg-grandfather George Lauder (b.1784) with Margaret Brown, but I have no information about whose possible marriage or descendents of this John Lauder. No Thomases appeared among our own future generations of Lauders either, almost exclusively Georges, so this seems less significant. Thanks for inquiring. William -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M LEDGER Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:26 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? William,            I suspect that the George derives as you suggest from King George but it may have been to honour uncle George (was he rich and childless or did he die just before these sons were born?)  However my greatest interst is in Thomas Lauder wjho married Margaret Aikman. I descend form a Robert Lauder of throsk who married a Grizzel Aikman in 1946 in St Ninians. Is there a kinship link to your Lauders. We believe Robert was the son of John Lauder and Janet Row and that John was the son of William Lauder and Margaret Wilsone.          Georges do appear in the line but not till 1830 and no Thomases appear so I have my doubts but Lauder - Aikman marriages cannot be that common!                         Moira ________________________________ From: William Garner <william@wgarner.com> To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 26 September, 2009 2:55:01 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? My gggg-grandparents, Thomas Lauder (b.1748, St Cuthbert's, Edinburgh) & Margaret Aikman from Currie, named their sons, James (b.1766, Currie), Thomas (b.1775, Currie) and George (b.1784, Currie), which seemed to follow the traditional naming custom, since James Lawther (b.1720 in Glencorse, later shoemaker in Edinburgh)  and his wife Elizabeth Smith appear to have been the parents of Thomas (b.1748), James (b.1750, St Cuthbert's) and George (b. 1752, St Cuthbert's).  However, contrary to the traditional custom of naming first born sons after the paternal grandfather,  all three of Thomas Lauder's sons, in their turn, named their first born sons "GEORGE":  the first son of James (b.1766) was George Lauder (b.1801, Gladmuir, Longniddrie, East Lothian); the first son of Thomas (b.1775) was George Lauder (b. 1798, St Cuthbert's); & the first born son of George (b.1784) was George Lauder (b. 1815, Dunfermline), from whom I descend. Although the name George already existed in the family as the great-uncle George (b.1752 as the younger brother of Thomas b.1748) and George was the name of the last Lauder of Bass in the mid-1600s, these sources do not seem sufficient to explain such surprising uniformity amongst three brothers against the traditional  naming custom.  So I ask, was there some political currency or reasons of patriotism during the period post- 1784 period and especially around 1798-1801 for Scots to name their first born sons "George" after then reigning King "George"?  William Garner ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A "George Lauder," from the 21st Regiment, died in August 1796 at his house Silver-Mills on the road from Cannonmills to Stockbridge, per the Edinburgh Advertiser of 12 Aug 1796, and his house was advertised for sale on 1 Jul 1798 in the same journal by Robert Dick, writer from Edinburgh. But I have been unable find military records, a will, or even the birth year and family for this George Lauder, to determine whether he could have been the Uncle ("rich") George (born 16 Jan 1752 at St. Cuthbert's) of the two brothers, Thomas and James, whose firstborn sons were respectively named "George" in 1798 and 1801. Thanks for the suggestion. -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rosemary Wake Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:39 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? Rich uncle? Did he leave a will? if so, worth checking out the wills online at the Scottish Archives... On 26 Sep 2009, at 14:55, William Garner wrote: > all three > of Thomas Lauder's sons, in their turn, named their first born sons > "GEORGE": the first son of James (b.1766) was George Lauder (b.1801, > Gladmuir, Longniddrie, East Lothian); the first son of Thomas (b. > 1775) was > George Lauder (b. 1798, St Cuthbert's); & the first born son of George > (b.1784) was George Lauder (b. 1815, Dunfermline), from whom I > descend. > Although the name George already existed in the family as the great- > uncle > George (b.1752 as the younger brother of Thomas b.1748) and George > was the > name of the last Lauder of Bass in the mid-1600s, these sources do > not seem > sufficient to explain such surprising uniformity amongst three > brothers > against the traditional naming custom. So I ask, was there some > political > currency or reasons of patriotism during the period post- 1784 > period and > especially around 1798-1801 for Scots to name their first born sons > "George" > after then reigning King "George"? William Garner > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dee, These Hogg/Blackburn names may fit into your research folder but the initial dates are off by a few years. Bob Cdn --------------- HOG Janet Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 9 Sep 1716 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLACKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG Peter Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 8 Jan 1719 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLAICKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG Robert Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 14 Mar 1721 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLACKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG James Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 16 Apr 1723 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLAIKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG Alexander Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 14 Feb 1725 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLACKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG William Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Dec 1726 Christening Date: 27 Dec 1726 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLACKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG Lewis Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 3 Apr 1728 Christening Date: 9 Apr 1728 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLACKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 HOG Charles Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 2 Aug 1729 Birthplace: Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Father: James HOG Mother: Janet BLACKBURN Source: FHL Film 1066666 Dates: 1706 - 1733 ============= Dee H. wrote, <SNIP>... Father of Peter James Hog/Hogg DOB abt 1680-89 Edinburgh, Scotland DOD Before 1717 Edinburgh?... =============

Rich uncle? Did he leave a will? if so, worth checking out the wills online at the Scottish Archives... On 26 Sep 2009, at 14:55, William Garner wrote: > all three > of Thomas Lauder's sons, in their turn, named their first born sons > "GEORGE": the first son of James (b.1766) was George Lauder (b.1801, > Gladmuir, Longniddrie, East Lothian); the first son of Thomas (b. > 1775) was > George Lauder (b. 1798, St Cuthbert's); & the first born son of George > (b.1784) was George Lauder (b. 1815, Dunfermline), from whom I > descend. > Although the name George already existed in the family as the great- > uncle > George (b.1752 as the younger brother of Thomas b.1748) and George > was the > name of the last Lauder of Bass in the mid-1600s, these sources do > not seem > sufficient to explain such surprising uniformity amongst three > brothers > against the traditional naming custom. So I ask, was there some > political > currency or reasons of patriotism during the period post- 1784 > period and > especially around 1798-1801 for Scots to name their first born sons > "George" > after then reigning King "George"? William Garner > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

William,            I suspect that the George derives as you suggest from King George but it may have been to honour uncle George (was he rich and childless or did he die just before these sons were born?)  However my greatest interst is in Thomas Lauder wjho married Margaret Aikman. I descend form a Robert Lauder of throsk who married a Grizzel Aikman in 1946 in St Ninians. Is there a kinship link to your Lauders. We believe Robert was the son of John Lauder and Janet Row and that John was the son of William Lauder and Margaret Wilsone.          Georges do appear in the line but not till 1830 and no Thomases appear so I have my doubts but Lauder - Aikman marriages cannot be that common!                         Moira ________________________________ From: William Garner <william@wgarner.com> To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 26 September, 2009 2:55:01 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] GEORGE as a first name choice during the 1784-1801 period: Political vs Family reasons? My gggg-grandparents, Thomas Lauder (b.1748, St Cuthbert's, Edinburgh) & Margaret Aikman from Currie, named their sons, James (b.1766, Currie), Thomas (b.1775, Currie) and George (b.1784, Currie), which seemed to follow the traditional naming custom, since James Lawther (b.1720 in Glencorse, later shoemaker in Edinburgh)  and his wife Elizabeth Smith appear to have been the parents of Thomas (b.1748), James (b.1750, St Cuthbert's) and George (b. 1752, St Cuthbert's).  However, contrary to the traditional custom of naming first born sons after the paternal grandfather,  all three of Thomas Lauder's sons, in their turn, named their first born sons "GEORGE":  the first son of James (b.1766) was George Lauder (b.1801, Gladmuir, Longniddrie, East Lothian); the first son of Thomas (b.1775) was George Lauder (b. 1798, St Cuthbert's); & the first born son of George (b.1784) was George Lauder (b. 1815, Dunfermline), from whom I descend. Although the name George already existed in the family as the great-uncle George (b.1752 as the younger brother of Thomas b.1748) and George was the name of the last Lauder of Bass in the mid-1600s, these sources do not seem sufficient to explain such surprising uniformity amongst three brothers against the traditional  naming custom.  So I ask, was there some political currency or reasons of patriotism during the period post- 1784 period and especially around 1798-1801 for Scots to name their first born sons "George" after then reigning King "George"?  William Garner ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My gggg-grandparents, Thomas Lauder (b.1748, St Cuthbert's, Edinburgh) & Margaret Aikman from Currie, named their sons, James (b.1766, Currie), Thomas (b.1775, Currie) and George (b.1784, Currie), which seemed to follow the traditional naming custom, since James Lawther (b.1720 in Glencorse, later shoemaker in Edinburgh) and his wife Elizabeth Smith appear to have been the parents of Thomas (b.1748), James (b.1750, St Cuthbert's) and George (b. 1752, St Cuthbert's). However, contrary to the traditional custom of naming first born sons after the paternal grandfather, all three of Thomas Lauder's sons, in their turn, named their first born sons "GEORGE": the first son of James (b.1766) was George Lauder (b.1801, Gladmuir, Longniddrie, East Lothian); the first son of Thomas (b.1775) was George Lauder (b. 1798, St Cuthbert's); & the first born son of George (b.1784) was George Lauder (b. 1815, Dunfermline), from whom I descend. Although the name George already existed in the family as the great-uncle George (b.1752 as the younger brother of Thomas b.1748) and George was the name of the last Lauder of Bass in the mid-1600s, these sources do not seem sufficient to explain such surprising uniformity amongst three brothers against the traditional naming custom. So I ask, was there some political currency or reasons of patriotism during the period post- 1784 period and especially around 1798-1801 for Scots to name their first born sons "George" after then reigning King "George"? William Garner

Hello Listers Anyone researching George Main Daughter Elizabeth Main 1776 Portsburgh Married Alexander Borrowman born 1763 St Cuthberts die 1837 Causewayside, St Cuthberts age 74 Any Cameron researchers with ancestors living in Edinburgh abt 1789 - Kindest Regards Kristina Cameron (NZ)

No connection this line but did find the following data. Bob Cdn --------------------- BARROWMAN Elizabeth Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 6 Jan 1794 Christening Date: 11 Jan 1794 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: St Cuthbert Father: Alexander BARROWMAN Mother: Elizabeth MAIN Source: FHL Film 1066755 Dates: 1794 - 1800 BARROWMAN John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 7 Jul 1796 Christening Date: 16 Jul 1796 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: St Cuthbert Father: Alexander BARROWMAN Mother: Elizabeth MAIN Source: FHL Film 1066755 Dates: 1794 - 1800 BARROWMAN Christian Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 16 Feb 1799 Christening Date: 26 Feb 1799 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: St Cuthbert Father: Alexander BARROWMAN Mother: Elisabeth MAIN Source: FHL Film 1066755 Dates: 1794 - 1800 BARROWMAN Elspeth Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 7 Aug 1803 Christening Date: 13 Aug 1803 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: St Cuthbert Father: Alexander BARROWMAN Mother: Elizabeth MAIN Source: FHL Film 1066755 Dates: 1802 - 1808 BARROWMAN Alexander Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 5 Jul 1805 Christening Date: 13 Jul 1805 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: St Cuthbert Father: Alexander BARROWMAN Mother: Elizabeth MAIN Source: FHL Film 1066755 Dates: 1802 - 1808 BARROWMAN George Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 16 May 1808 Christening Date: 3 Jun 1808 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: St Cuthbert Father: Alexander BARROWMAN Mother: Elizabeth MAIN Source: FHL Film 1066755 Dates: 1806 - 1826 BARROWMAN Elizabeth Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 26 May 1811 Christening Date: 8 Jun 1811 Recorded in: Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland Collection: St Cuthbert Father: Alexander BARROWMAN Mother: Elizabeth MAIN Source: FHL Film 1066755 Dates: 1806 - 1826 ============== Kristina Cameron wrote: <SNIP>......Anyone researching George Main Daughter Elizabeth Main 1776 Portsburgh Married Alexander Borrowman born 1763 St Cuthberts die 1837 Causewayside, St.... ==============