I waiver between whether that marriage entry is them or not. So far I haven't been able to find any proof that my James Bell was in the military so that is part of my problem. Jacquie -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Fitchett Sent: October 28, 2009 2:23 AM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] BELL/CAMPBELL I have come across Minny or Minnie as a variant for Marion in the past, so it may well be them, even if she was referred to as Marion on other documents. It does seem to be the case that parish registers sometimes used informal variants of names, while civil registration indexes were more likely to use formal versions (though not invariably). Perhaps Marion started insisting on formality more as she grew older! Catherine

Good morning Catherine, In the fishing villages along Firth of Forth , this is my personal research area, the names MARION & MAY were interchangeable . Still have a near 90 year old distant relative christened MARION but has always been known as MAY and we also know her as " Auntie MAIRN " Not a real aunt but in Newhaven we as children referred to an older lady as "Auntie" Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh >I have come across Minny or Minnie as a variant for Marion in the > past, so it may well be them, even if she was referred to as Marion on > other documents. > It does seem to be the case that parish registers sometimes used > informal variants of names, while civil registration indexes were more > likely to use formal versions (though not invariably). > Perhaps Marion started insisting on formality more as she grew older! > > Catherine > >> >> I haven't found a marriage entry for James BELL and Marion CAMPBELL. >> I have seen the marriage listed >> in the OPR for James BELL and Minny CAMPBELL in 1812. While it seems >> unlikely to be them, the fact >> that it indicates that Minny Campbell's father, James, was a >> labourer in Dunbar and James and >> Marion's daughter, Mary, was born in Dunbar is just a little too >> coincidental for me to rule it out >> completely. It should be noted though that every conclusive document >> that I have, Marion is never >> referred to by any other name than Marion. >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi listers: I would like to take this opportunity to let you know about the Johnston Newspapers Lothian, who run the Midlothian Advertiser, East Lothian News, Musselburgh News, Lothian Times, & Peebles Times. In basically a desperate last attempt to find living descendants of my grandfathers 1st cousin (William Campbell) who was born in Carstairs and lived most of his life in and around Dalkeith; I contacted the East Lothian News by phone and asked if they had a record of obituaries. They could not help me on the obituary, but after some discussion, the person on the other end of the phone (Ms. Jo Robinson) suggested that I write a short letter for help and they would be pleased to insert it in one of their newspapers. I do not know which one or how many it went in but I very close to immediately, received an e-mail from a great grand daughter of William. I cannot help but thank them for running my letter and for the professional attitude of their staff and in particular Ms. Jo Robinson. I do not think such great organizations and their staff should go unnoticed and unappreciated. I would certainly recommend them to any researcher. Frank Easton Sherwood Park Alberta Canada.

For Bill in Montana Re WEST CHARLTON; and variants; the 1881 British Census CD do not show up this place name, but Calton gets many "hits" both Edinburgh and Lanarks areas. You may wish to consider CALTON Edinburgh complete with prison; Edinburgh High School; burial ground/s observatory,etc as a place to examine.Old Ordnance Survey Maps Edinburgh Calton Hill 1852-1877 Edinburgh Sheet 30 published by Alan Godfrey Maps gives much more detail of CALTON. John in downtown Aus

It is actually CALTON Hill and CALTON New Cemetery - both situated in the centre of Edinburgh close to Princes Street. Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy" <romanoa@cox.net> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] West Charlton, Edinburgh > Believe you talking about West Carlton, Edinburgh. (no "h" or "l") Can't > locate it exactly on the map, but think it's an area of Edinburgh. I > suspect > at the time, the area was under the North Leith Registration District. > Attached link shows Carlton Hill and Carlton New Cemetary. > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=west+carlton+edinburgh&sll=55.955735,-3.140717&sspn=0.101675,0.21183&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Carlton+Terrace,+Edinburgh,+Midlothian+EH7+5DD,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=16 > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Dunbar" <bill_dunbar@msn.com> > To: "MIDLOTHIAN" <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:38 PM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] West Charlton, Edinburgh > > >> >> Hello: The 1871 census reports that my great grandmother was born in >> West >> Charlton, Edinburgh while her birth is registered in North Leith. I >> Googled West Chartlon and never really got a location. Does anyone know >> where West Charlton was or could it be a misspelling. Thanks. Bill in >> Montana >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 894 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

I'm just re-posting my interest regarding James BELL and Marion CAMPBELL. This is some of what I know: According to census information, James BELL was born about 1789 in Fife (one census says Cupar, another says Leslie). He died 13 Jul 1870 in St. George, Edinburgh. His death was registered by his son, Andrew, however the names of James' parents were not included in the registration. According to the 1841 census, Marion CAMPBELL was born about 1791 (not in county) and she died 2 Jul 1847 in St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh. I have found the following offspring for James BELL and Marion CAMPBELL: 1) Mary, born abt 1819 in Dunbar, East Lothian and died 6 May 1887 in St. Cuthbert's Poorhouse. I can't find a marriage for her but on her death registration it indicated she was married to George McLATCHIE. I know of one daughter, Marion (born abt 1848-died 1915, married George Wood); 2) William, born abt 1823 in West Barns, East or Midlothian and died 14 Jan 1890 in Blythswood, Glasgow. He married Catherine DONALDSON on 18 Nov 1844 in Glasgow. They had one daughter named Isabella (born abt 1842-died ?); 3) James, born 19 Oct 1824 in St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh. I don't have any additional information regarding James; 4) Thomas, born abt 1826 in Midlothian. I have him living with James and Marion on the 1841 census and nothing after that; 5) Elizabeth, born 29 Oct 1827 in St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh and died 22 Feb 1881 in Partick, Glasgow. She married James JOHNSTON on 2 Jun 1854 in Leith. They had five children, William (born 1555-died 1856), Marion (born 1856-died 1864), Euphemia (born 1858-died 1909, unmarried), Jemima (born 1860-died 1916, married Samuel Mulholland) and Elizabeth (born 1862-died 1874). Euphemia Galloway JOHNSTON was my g-grandmother. I have quite a bit of information regarding James, Elizabeth and their children; 6) Andrew, born 4 Dec 1831 in St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh and died 30 May 1875 in Cannongate, Edinburgh. He married Joan LOWRIE/LAURIE on 16 Feb 1855. They had six children, James (born 1855-died 1855), Andrew (1857-died 1914, married Helen Proud), Robert (born 1859-died ?), James (born 1861-died 1924, married Agnes Snape), Joan (born 1864-died 1890, married William Kirkwood) and Marion (born 1866-died 1945, married Hugh Nelson). I haven't found a marriage entry for James BELL and Marion CAMPBELL. I have seen the marriage listed in the OPR for James BELL and Minny CAMPBELL in 1812. While it seems unlikely to be them, the fact that it indicates that Minny Campbell's father, James, was a labourer in Dunbar and James and Marion's daughter, Mary, was born in Dunbar is just a little too coincidental for me to rule it out completely. It should be noted though that every conclusive document that I have, Marion is never referred to by any other name than Marion. If anyone has a connection or information on this BELL/CAMPBELL line, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Thanks. Jacquie Winnipeg, MB Canada

Believe you talking about West Carlton, Edinburgh. (no "h" or "l") Can't locate it exactly on the map, but think it's an area of Edinburgh. I suspect at the time, the area was under the North Leith Registration District. Attached link shows Carlton Hill and Carlton New Cemetary. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=west+carlton+edinburgh&sll=55.955735,-3.140717&sspn=0.101675,0.21183&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Carlton+Terrace,+Edinburgh,+Midlothian+EH7+5DD,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=16 Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Dunbar" <bill_dunbar@msn.com> To: "MIDLOTHIAN" <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] West Charlton, Edinburgh > > Hello: The 1871 census reports that my great grandmother was born in West > Charlton, Edinburgh while her birth is registered in North Leith. I > Googled West Chartlon and never really got a location. Does anyone know > where West Charlton was or could it be a misspelling. Thanks. Bill in > Montana > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello: The 1871 census reports that my great grandmother was born in West Charlton, Edinburgh while her birth is registered in North Leith. I Googled West Chartlon and never really got a location. Does anyone know where West Charlton was or could it be a misspelling. Thanks. Bill in Montana

Greetings Listers, In the Scottish Ecclesiastical Record of Ministers, Non Juror Bishop of Edinburgh, Arthur Miller, is confirmed as married to Elizabeth Calderwood and that he died 9^th October 1727 in his 78^th year. If being in his 78^th year was correct, he would have been born in 1649 or early 1650. Can anyone please advise any details of Arthur and Elizabeth in their earlier years, such as birth, christening, marriage, parents etc.or direct me to a site where I might find that information. I am unable to confirm christening or parents of either from the IGI. Margaret and Elizabeth Millar are both shown as his daughters. Margaret married Arthur Forrest in 1708. He was later Captain , Commodore and Admiral in the Royal Navy and served at the West Indian Station at Jamaica until 1770. Any help greatly appreciated. Doug Forrest Burnie, Tasmania, Australia.

Good morning Doug, Arthur Miller being a member of the Episcopalian Church adds to your problems finding his parents Surviving Epis'n archives are held at various Archive Centres around Scotland If we accept he was based in Edinburgh try National Archives of Scotland http://www.nas.gov.uk/ and Edinburgh City Archives http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/internet/council/council_business/cec_edinburgh_city_archives_2 >From the research I have carried out , I believe, all of those EDINBURGH Epis'n records which have survived .are held at one or other of these sources. Good luck with your researches !! Regards John John D.Stevenson Trinity Research Services, Edinburgh Scottish Maritime History Research Est 1989 johndee.ships@btinternet.com > > In the Scottish Ecclesiastical Record of Ministers, Non Juror Bishop of > Edinburgh, Arthur Miller, is confirmed as married to Elizabeth > Calderwood and that he died 9^th October 1727 in his 78^th year. If > being in his 78^th year was correct, he would have been born in 1649 or > early 1650. > Can anyone please advise any details of Arthur and Elizabeth in their > earlier years, such as birth, christening, marriage, parents etc.or > direct me to a site where I might find that information. I am unable to > confirm christening or parents of either from the IGI.

Some data from the LDS/FHC/BIVRI2 files -- can be found at the local FHC and not always on-line at the FS website. No record of their marriage in this source but found a Thomas Miller/Janet Calderwood mrg from 1785 Found three Eliz/Bessie born Inverness in this time frame one a bit early No connection to these surnames, only the postman Bob Cdn MILLAR, Margaret Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 2 Jun 1687 Christening Date: 4 Jun 1687 Recorded in: Inveresk, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Arthur MILLAR Mother: Elizabeth CALDERWOOD Source: FHL Film 1067754 Dates: 1678 - 1723 MILLER, Elizabeth Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 19 May 1689 Christening Date: 19 May 1689 Recorded in: Inveresk, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Arthur MILLER Mother: Elizabeth CALDERWOOD Source: FHL Film 1067754 Dates: 1678 - 1723 -------------- 1785 Marriage: MILLER, Thomas Marriage Wife: Janet CALDERWOOD Marriage Date: 1 Jul 1785 Recorded in: Mauchline, Ayrshire, Scotland Source: FHL Film 1041395 Dates: 1759 - 1820 ------------ CALDERWOOD, Elizabeth Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 16 Sep 1621 Birthplace: , Inveresk With Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Recorded in: Inveresk, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Andro CALDERWOOD Source: FHL Film 1067753 Dates: 1607 - 1678 CALDERWOOD, Bessie Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 16 Nov 1643 Christening Date: 18 Nov 1643 Recorded in: Inveresk, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Airchbald CALDERWOOD Mother: Janet SYMPSON Source: FHL Film 1067753 Dates: 1607 - 1678 CALDERWOOD, Bessie Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 12 Jul 1657 Christening Date: 12 Jul 1657 Recorded in: Inveresk, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Richard CALDERWOOD Mother: Violet DOWGLAS Source: FHL Film 1067753 Dates: 1607 - 1678 ================ Doug Forrest wrote:<SNIP>...Arthur Miller, is confirmed as married to Elizabeth Calderwood ==========

Hi Beryl.. I had a look at the newspapers, but they only go to 1890 and not into the 1919 etc. But thanks for the info. robbiej ? : Hi Robbie : Try this website - old NZ newspapers. : http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=p&p=about : :

Can anyone tell me if there is such a thing online, as information if people coming from Scotland to New Zealand were Assisted passage or paid for it themselves ? My parents came to New Zealand from Glasgow in 1919... and I would like to know IF they paid themselves or were assisted immigrants to New Zealand. Thanks robbiej

Hi Jacquie..Thank you for that info... I have been looking at your suggested John Robertson to Margaret Jack I had a look on LDS. There are seemingly several in the family, but NO EDWARD...and Census do not seem to bring them up with an Edward. I guess it is possible that they went overseas and left Edward behind, as he is by himself at the age of 20. Any suggestions then, IF I should follow up and accept the Jack.? as to where I might find them.? According to that Marriage you sent, she Margaret, remarried ! But I have nothing on John to say when or where he possibly dies. robbiej ----- Original Message ----- From: <midlothian-request@rootsweb.com> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:00 AM Subject: MIDLOTHIAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 171 : : : Today's Topics: : : 1. Re: SEEKING Marriage of John Robertson to Margaret More? (Jacquie) : 2. HALLIDAY/CAMPBELL/ EASTON (frank) : : : ---------------------------------------------------------------------- : : Message: 1 : Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:16:53 -0500 : From: "Jacquie" <jjjcmj@mts.net> : Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SEEKING Marriage of John Robertson to : Margaret More? : To: "'robbiej'" <robbiej@clear.net.nz>, <midlothian@rootsweb.com> : Message-ID: : <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAMdywwB37wRNt4XCmZsk+HTCgAAAEAAAABp+1/yZrqhOiEtcYjC480gBAAAAAA==@mts.net> : : Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" : : Are you certain the 1881 death you found is the right one? I viewed a death registration at : ScotlandsPeople for a Margaret Robertson, widow of John Robertson, journeyman mason, who died at the : age of 86 in South Leith on 5 Aug 1881 and she was the daughter of Walter and Margaret Jack. I : didn't see any other Margaret Robertsons who died in 1881 listed there. : : Jacquie : Winnipeg, MB : Canada : : -----Original Message----- : From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of robbiej : Sent: October 11, 2009 7:50 PM : To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com : Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SEEKING Marriage of John Robertson to Margaret More? : : I am seeking a marriage of John Robertson ... possibly born around the late 1700 to early 1800's, : who supposedly married a Margaret More (Moore ?) who was born South Leith Scotland UK in 1793 and : died South Leith 1881. : I have their son, Edward born 1821 on whose death certificate it states that his parents were the : above, and also have Edward's baptism, verified by a friend at the Edinburgh Research Centre, as : being born 11th and baptised 15th Feb 1921 at the St James' Episcopal Church, Constitution Street, : Leith, Scotland. : I have no data what so ever on these two., Without this I can not get further back in my Family : Tree. : : The only information I have in connection with them, is Edward the son, aged 20 in a census of : : Salamander Street, Leith South Ecclesiastical Parish.... (ROBERTSON Edward aged 20, Bottlemaker : Appren .. Midlothian ) with a Robt and Jane Mason and Thomas Henderson. : I realise that data from before 1855 is difficult to find, and also from this Church, : But someone out there may just come across it of have them in their Tree. : Any help would be appreciated. : robbiej : : : : ------------------------------ : : Message: 2 : Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:14:56 -0600 : From: "frank" <frank@telusplanet.net> : Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] HALLIDAY/CAMPBELL/ EASTON : To: "Midlothian" <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> : Message-ID: <784E7632147D42DAA816B104688AFF61@frankqppodr8pv> : Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" : : On October 19 1877, William Campbell married Margaret Smith in Edinburgh. : He was a miner and worked in the mines in and around the area. They had 11 : children that I am aware of, however I am only aware of 2 marriages of : their children. One of the children was : : ALLAN EASTON CAMPBELL married EUPHEMIA BROWN HALLIDAY on December 31 1925 : in Dalkeith, Midlothian. : : I am attempting to connect with descendants of this family as well as the : other families. They all seemed to be located in the vicinity of Midlothian : but some may have relocated in Lanarkshire as this was where the Campbell's : and Easton's were from. : : If anyone has any information on this particular family please contact me on : of off the list. : : Thank you : : Frank Easton : Alberta Canada : : : : ------------------------------ : : To contact the MIDLOTHIAN list administrator, send an email to : MIDLOTHIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. : : To post a message to the MIDLOTHIAN mailing list, send an email to MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com. : : __________________________________________________________ : To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com : with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the : email with no additional text. : : : End of MIDLOTHIAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 171 : ****************************************** :

Hello Bob, thanks for that information I will certainly check them out. Regards, Jan AUST

Hello Jim, thank-you for that piece of historical information on the Spottiswoode's. Every piece I get seems to give me a little more and hopefully I will be able to tie some of the threads together eventually. There seems to be several distinct families in and around the area and I have yet to find that necessary connection. One day.......... Regards, Jan AUST

Hello John, I have still to look at the web sites you have sent to me but thank-you for help on this. The more information I can gather I am sure will only further help my search. Regards, Jan AUST

Hello Archie, thank-you for that information. I would very much appreciate a scan of the map. I find it extremely difficult to try and co-ordinate places where family came from using modern day maps, as so many of the places from then no longer exist. I am trying to put two pieces of the puzzle together and to some extent maps of the districts hold some of the keys to how they met and lived their lives. Thanks again Archie, Regards, Jan AUST

I am looking for help in trying to locate a village or place. I have been led to believe there was once a place named Spottiswoode (unsure of the actual spelling) which appears to no longer to exist; this is not unusual. My GG grandmother was Agnes SPOTTISWOOD, born in Kirkliston this village seems to span two counties, Midlothian and West Lothian. The closest I can get from GENUKI Scotland is John SPOTTISWOODE who was born in Greenbank, Mid Calder and later became Archbishop of St Andrews. I know there is a family connection but am keen to get an historical perspective of the area and where the various family members may have lived, Cramond being another Spottiswoode place of interest. I would appreciate any help in pointing me in a direction that will help. Regards, Jan >From wet and windy Gippsland AUST Researching; LANNAN/LENNON, ROBERTSON, AITKEN, SPOTTISWOOD in SCT

Jan, SPOTTISWOODE is a large house about 4 miles E of Lauder, OS sheet 74 "Kelso". I assume that the area all round was a large estate at one time - maybe even still. Interestingly, 1 mile W is a hamlet called Cambridge, where my wife's GrGrGrandfather was the Blacksmilth in 1851 and 1861 censuses. We visited there a few years ago and found the original smithy. The local joke apparently was, when asked where they were educated, the reply was "Cambridge" !! If you would like, I could scan the Victorian 1" map for you. Archie Gilbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Lannan" <lannanjan@gmail.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:26 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Place of interest >I am looking for help in trying to locate a village or place. I have been > led to believe there was once a place named Spottiswoode (unsure of the > actual spelling) which appears to no longer to exist; this is not unusual. > My GG grandmother was Agnes SPOTTISWOOD, born in Kirkliston this village > seems to span two counties, Midlothian and West Lothian. The closest I can > get from GENUKI Scotland is John SPOTTISWOODE who was born in Greenbank, > Mid > Calder and later became Archbishop of St Andrews. I know there is a family > connection but am keen to get an historical perspective of the area and > where the various family members may have lived, Cramond being another > Spottiswoode place of interest. > > I would appreciate any help in pointing me in a direction that will help. > > Regards, Jan >>From wet and windy Gippsland AUST > > Researching; LANNAN/LENNON, ROBERTSON, AITKEN, SPOTTISWOOD in SCT > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.13/2432 - Release Date: 10/13/09 06:35:00