I have been watching this post with interest for some time, my favourite bugbear is Elisabeth. E**** gets Ella, Eliza, Elspit, Elspeth, Elly, but fails to pick up Beth, Betty, Bessy, Betsy, Biff, Lisa, Liza, Lis, Liz, Lissy, Lilabet or Lisbet.

It may be of some interest - my old uncle (with a mother born in Scotland) always pronounced Janet as Jenet - so Janet could quite feasibly be called Jenny..

Thank you for replying Elizabeth- I cant see a connection yet but will keep your info in case thanks again Joan

You are welcome Joan. One never knows until asking! Kind regards Elizabeth

Hello Joan and other Crichton Families My only Chrichton connection is Ann Chrichton b. abt. 1828 in Abbotshall, Fifeshire who married James Duncan on 5 Mar. 1869 at 24 Broughton St., Edinburgh. She was my step-great-grandmother. Does anyone see any connections? Thank you. Kind regards Elizabeth Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] CRICHTON Does anyone on the List have a Wiliam CRICHTON b abt 1744-1750 who married Mary THOMSON 1779 in Skirling Peebles? William may have been born in Midlothian also a William CRICHTON b 1749 in Glasgow Lanarkshire His father William CRICHTON bc 1712 and his mother Jane/Jean SANDERSbc 1713 their children Ann Bap. 10/10/1738 St.Cuthberts Edinburgh Mary Bap. 20/7/1740 North Leith Jean Bap. 9/6/1742 North Leith Jean B17/4/1744 Bap. 17/4/1744 Glasgow James B21/8/1746 Bap.21/8/1746 Glasgow William B26/10/1949 Bap.29/10/1749 Glasgow Robert B15/8/1752 Bap.21/8/1752 Glasgow Thomas B21/2/1754 Bap.21/2/1754 Does anyone have a John CREIGHTON and a Margaret CROSBIE in their tree their ch John b 1731 Sth Leith Mungo b 1733 Sth Leith Hanna b 1734 Sth Leith Jamesd b 1735 Sth Leith Margaret b 1737 Sth Leith

In Scotland I have also come across Sadie for Sarah, Agnes was often Nan or Nancy, Margaret may become Peggy. I too, have come across Polly for Mary. Minnie can be either Marion or Jemima (possibly also Wilhelmina). Jemima can also be "Mima". One of the stranger (to me) name variants was Grizel/Grace. I'm not sure this is so much a nickname as a change of fashion - Grizel being the older form, and Grace more modern. One of my greatgrandmother's sisters was baptised in the 1820s as Grizel but at her marriage and in all census records was known as Grace. On 5/11/2009, at 9:00 PM, midlothian-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:31:35 EST > From: MMayn93990@aol.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Scottish nick names > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bbb.5d3b89c8.38239307@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Also, a woman named Ellen was called Helen. > > I don't know if this was true in Scotland, but in the US Sally was a > nickname for Sarah > > Mary Slack Maynard > North Georgia Mountains >

Mike, As I have mentioned previously , at times, my paternal Scottish family made my research life so difficult. The Family Birthday Book, combined with the 1891 & 1901 census, appeared to have many more Siblings for my Grandmother, than I had previously been led to believe. After I searched personally for hours, in Edinburgh, it eventually took a professional Researcher to sort my family for me. Noone was actually known by his / her Registered first name. Had I not been able at that time to pay for research, I would never have been able to track down "who was actually who". After that, happy to say, living relations found me . ( I was sure that family had put a spell of some sort onto their descendants.) Mary New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dowding Sent: Friday, 6 November 2009 5:05 a.m. To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Scottish nick names Hi all Nicknames can be a nightmare - I have four great aunts respectively Isabella (Tib) Janet (Jen) Jane (Jen?) and Margaret (Maggie). No one is alive now to tell me whether Aunt Jen is Janet or Jane! Mike > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 4574 (20091104) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

George William BRUCE was born in 1745 in Ceres,Fife, Scotland. Margaret BALMAIN was born in 1751 in Forgandenny, Perthshire, Scotland.They had 9 children that I know of. Katherine, Janet,Margaret,Anna,Helen,James,David, John and George. I am searching for living relatives of George and Margaret, that we could get in touch with in Scotland next June 2010. George is my husbands 4th Great grandfather. George's son James married Agnes HENDERSON. After James died Agnes came to Australia then New Zealand, with some of her children. I would appreciate any help offered.

Hello Listers Does anyone on the List have a Wiliam CRICHTON b abt 1744-1750 who married Mary THOMSON 1779 in Skirling Peebles? William may have been born in Midlothian also a William CRICHTON b 1749 in Glasgow Lanarkshire His father William CRICHTON bc 1712 and his mother Jane/Jean SANDERSbc 1713 their children Ann Bap. 10/10/1738 St.Cuthberts Edinburgh Mary Bap. 20/7/1740 North Leith Jean Bap. 9/6/1742 North Leith Jean B17/4/1744 Bap. 17/4/1744 Glasgow James B21/8/1746 Bap.21/8/1746 Glasgow William B26/10/1949 Bap.29/10/1749 Glasgow Robert B15/8/1752 Bap.21/8/1752 Glasgow Thomas B21/2/1754 Bap.21/2/1754 Does anyone have a John CREIGHTON and a Margaret CROSBIE in their tree their ch John b 1731 Sth Leith Mungo b 1733 Sth Leith Hanna b 1734 Sth Leith Jamesd b 1735 Sth Leith Margaret b 1737 Sth Leith Many thanks Joan Carmody jr_carmody@clear.net.nz

I am researching the family of ALEXANDER BROWN ROSS b.29 Oct 1831 in Newton. Midlothian, SCOT. First Marriage was to AGNES MILLER b1830. They married 21st Sept 1855 in Newton, Midlothian, SCOT. 2nd. Marriage was to MARGARET BORTHWICK b.2nd May 1839,Glasmuir, East Lothian, SCOT. They married in Leith. Midlothian, SCOT on the 12 Feb. 1875. The children of the 2nd Marriage were, John Borthwick ROSS b.13 Dec 1876 at Mossend, West Calder, SCOT. Alexander ROSS b.15 Mar 1878 at West Calder, SCOT. Helen ROSS b 24 July 1880, West Calder, SCOT. Isabella Reid ROSS b.28 July 1883, West Calder, SCOT. My Grandfather was John B. ROSS. Is there anyone out there with any connections to this ROSS FAMILY. I would like to hear from you. Regards Janice Gardner NZ

Hello Sylvia I see that you have gone back a generation with your Bruce family. I may be able to help you with the BALMAINS. My 3rd Great Grandfather (Thomas Hepburn) was born in Forgandenny in 1791 and about a year or so ago I bought a book named "Forgandenny - a place in history" by a locally based man named Gregory Ross. The book is A4 and about 500 pages long, and I think the Author must have spent many years researching the book which examines the history of Forgandenny (a small parish) from the ice age to about the middle of the last century! My 4th Great Grandfather (Robert Hepburn) gets a mention and looking at the index I see that a number of Balmains are mentioned in the book. Greg Ross was kind enough to send me a note of all the genealogical information that he had collected on the Forgandenny Hepburns and I expect he would be able to help you with your Balmains. I will send you his email address off-list. You may also find it useful to post your message on the Perthshire and Fife lists. Regards Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Whautere" <s.whautere@xtra.co.nz> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:16 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] George William BRUCE & Margaret BALMAIN > > George William BRUCE was born in 1745 in Ceres,Fife, Scotland. Margaret > BALMAIN was born in 1751 in Forgandenny, Perthshire, Scotland.They had 9 > children that I know of. Katherine, Janet,Margaret,Anna,Helen,James,David, > John and George. > I am searching for living relatives of George and Margaret, that we could > get in touch with in Scotland next June 2010. George is my husbands 4th > Great grandfather. > George's son James married Agnes HENDERSON. After James died Agnes came to > Australia then New Zealand, with some of her children. > I would appreciate any help offered. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all Nicknames can be a nightmare - I have four great aunts respectively Isabella (Tib) Janet (Jen) Jane (Jen?) and Margaret (Maggie). No one is alive now to tell me whether Aunt Jen is Janet or Jane! Mike > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Ops forgive me, it was Peggy that was a nickname for Margaret. Tammy Tammy Mitchell wrote: > Hi, it's been my experience that Polly was a nick name for Margaret. > Tammy > > frank wrote: > >> I have run across a situation where my cousin in Scotland advises that all >> they knew about an Aunt was that she was called "Polly". There was no one >> called that in the family but it could have been one of two. It was either >> Mary Jane or Janet. >> >> Any suggestions on which it might have been. >> >> Frank Easton >> Sherwood Park >> Alberta Canada >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I could not find a great aunt who is shown on three Scottish censuses and her baptism record as as "Ellinor." I knew she emigrated to the USA. The LDS Pilot site solved the puzzle when it threw her up under the name "Helen," which she continued to use in the States. In the family she was known as Nell or Nellie.

Hi, it's been my experience that Polly was a nick name for Margaret. Tammy frank wrote: > I have run across a situation where my cousin in Scotland advises that all > they knew about an Aunt was that she was called "Polly". There was no one > called that in the family but it could have been one of two. It was either > Mary Jane or Janet. > > Any suggestions on which it might have been. > > Frank Easton > Sherwood Park > Alberta Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello: Looking at the 1871 census of Leith and my Great Great Great Grandfather David Brown has a granddaughter M?? Ried (or Reid) living with him, 25 years old. She is shown as being born in Stevenstown, No county indicated. David and daughter Agnes were born born in England and that is indiacted but there is no county indicated for Stevenstown. Do you think this would be Stevenston in Lanark County or could it be St.Stevens in Midlothian or what? Thanks for any suggestions. Bill in Montana

Also, a woman named Ellen was called Helen. I don't know if this was true in Scotland, but in the US Sally was a nickname for Sarah Mary Slack Maynard North Georgia Mountains In a message dated 11/4/2009 4:34:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fionnghalnicphadraig@yahoo.co.uk writes: Pam is right, Frank. Polly = Mary. We just can't leave names alone, us Scots :-) Janet = Jessie, Helen = Nellie; Alastair/Alexander = Sandy.... I've also come on the Polly/Mary practice in Devon & Cornwall, so it's not limited to us. Not sure if the rest of England did it. Not surprised at all that the habit got carried overseas :-) :-) le durachd Fionnghal in the bright sunny but frosty Highlands of Scotland > I have run across a situation where > my cousin in Scotland advises that all > they knew about an Aunt was that she was called > "Polly". There was no one > called that in the family but it could have been one of > two. It was either Mary Jane or Janet. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

from my research point of view, it seems that the Scottish were guilty of giving all their children Nick names, or, shortened versions of names , that no one else would ever consider. e.g My Grandmother Registered , Baptised, Janet , was known as Jenny ! Her sister Marion known as, May. I will not bore you with the names of remaining Siblings. No wonder that I had major problems finding family members, as many other researchers have also found after spending heaps of money. Mary

> -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Mary Legarth > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:31 AM > To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Scottish first Names > > from my research point of view, it seems that the Scottish were guilty > of > giving all their children Nick names, or, shortened versions of names , > that > no one else would ever consider. > e.g My Grandmother Registered , Baptised, Janet , was known as Jenny > Her sister Marion known as, May. > I will not bore you with the names of remaining Siblings. > No wonder that I had major problems finding family members, This thread has been discussed on the Lanark List too, where the nickname 'Henny' was querried. Included in the thread is the following from myself: Please don't overlook that in Scotland, a young girl is referred to as "hen" (in Lancashire/Cheshire/Yorkshire etc, as "chick"), so the nickname could have come from this, particularly if the girl in question was the youngest in the family. Her true name could have had no bearing on the nickname 'Henny'. Young boys were called "cock" or referred to as the "wee Lordie" (wee lassie for a girl) in Scotland. In normal conversations with other family, friends or complete strangers, parents and older siblings will referred to the youngest in their family as "our wee hen/cock", instead of saying the child's actual name. Sometimes you will hear "our bairn", again referring to the youngest boy and/or girl. I do know someone who to this day is called 'Bairn". His true name is James William. Toni

Thanks Trena: Yours goes down as one of the most interesting, again thank you everyone. Frank -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trena Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:08 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Scottish first Names > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Mary Legarth > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:31 AM > To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Scottish first Names > > from my research point of view, it seems that the Scottish were guilty > of > giving all their children Nick names, or, shortened versions of names , > that > no one else would ever consider. > e.g My Grandmother Registered , Baptised, Janet , was known as Jenny > Her sister Marion known as, May. > I will not bore you with the names of remaining Siblings. > No wonder that I had major problems finding family members, This thread has been discussed on the Lanark List too, where the nickname 'Henny' was querried. Included in the thread is the following from myself: Please don't overlook that in Scotland, a young girl is referred to as "hen" (in Lancashire/Cheshire/Yorkshire etc, as "chick"), so the nickname could have come from this, particularly if the girl in question was the youngest in the family. Her true name could have had no bearing on the nickname 'Henny'. Young boys were called "cock" or referred to as the "wee Lordie" (wee lassie for a girl) in Scotland. In normal conversations with other family, friends or complete strangers, parents and older siblings will referred to the youngest in their family as "our wee hen/cock", instead of saying the child's actual name. Sometimes you will hear "our bairn", again referring to the youngest boy and/or girl. I do know someone who to this day is called 'Bairn". His true name is James William. Toni ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.49/2480 - Release Date: 11/04/09 00:37:00