Hi I was pleased to see the name Kay being given such attention. I have a Kay family in Edinburgh. In the 1851 census there was Thomas Kay (abt 30) and his wife Isabella ms McLaren (abt 25) . They were living in the Cowgate with their children Simon (4) Robert(2) and Thomas. Simon married my g g grandmother Isabella Gillespie. Does anyone have an interest in this family? regards Ella Ross To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I would like to thank list members for their help. I now know William S Kay married a Janet Gray. The information sent to me has helped a lot, much of which I did`t even know was out there. Now for the Aberdeen list in seach of the Forbes Once agin thanks everybody. Eunice Wilson

Dear Eunice, None of the children born before 1855 had to be registered - if this couple had any children born after 1855 then finding that child's birth certificate (on Scotlandspeople) will give you the mother's maiden surname. However if their child bearing days were over then there are a number of routes to try. William S Kay did not make it to 1855 so his death wont help you, unless he left a will. If Janet Kay made it to 1855 then her age and location may help you find her death certificate. If she did not make it to 1855 then you need to follow the children - if you know any of the later children's spouses then you can find the childrens marriage certificate and in Scotland after 1855 this gives you both parents including maiden surname and a date of marriage (of the parents. However you may only know of marriages which took place in England and then you are scuppered. If you dont know any of the childrens spouses then you are going to have to find a likely Kay marriage in Lasswade at around the right time and take a punt... the fathers occupation is given so if the father is william Key miller - you have it sorted. Moira --- On Mon, 30/11/09, Eunice Wilson <eunicewilson@btinternet.com> wrote: > From: Eunice Wilson <eunicewilson@btinternet.com> > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Kay family Lasswade > To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 15:19 > Hi > > Thanks to Mary for pointing out this marriage and baptisms > could have been non conformist.  Had it been England I > might have known about it,but it never passed my mind.  > I know little or nothing about church and chapel in > Scotland.  The 1851 census has all the family born > Lasswade.  On the 1911 census the James of the family > is in Cheshire, still says born Lasswade, > Midlothian.   The whole point of the exercise > is to find which Janet married William Kay. > > Eunice Wilson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hi Thanks to Mary for pointing out this marriage and baptisms could have been non conformist. Had it been England I might have known about it,but it never passed my mind. I know little or nothing about church and chapel in Scotland. The 1851 census has all the family born Lasswade. On the 1911 census the James of the family is in Cheshire, still says born Lasswade, Midlothian. The whole point of the exercise is to find which Janet married William Kay. Eunice Wilson

I found a possible death at SP for Janet. I did a search at Ancestry and I think I found her on the 1871 census listed as a visitor to the household of Allen and Mary Whitelaw at 2 Henry Place, St. Cuthberts. Since I couldn't find her on the 1881 census I made the assumption that she died between 1871 and 1881 and used a year of birth of 1806 +/- 2 years based on her age listed on the 1851-1871 census. I found the following: Janet Kay, widow of William Strachan Kay, corn miller, died 13 Feb 1876 at 65 North Fountainbridge Edinburgh at age 67. Parents listed are Alexander Gray, corn miller (deceased) and Janet Arthur (I think that's what it says - it's difficult to make out) (deceased). The informant was James Kay, son, Willington Road, Fallowfield (I think) Manchester. Jacquie Winnipeg, MB Canada -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eunice Wilson Sent: November 30, 2009 6:19 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Kay family Lasswade Hi First attempt at Scottish Family History. I have the following Kay family on 1841, 1851 and 1681 census William Kay born c 1806 miller, wife Janet c 1811. My problem is although I have numerous children I can not find a marriage for William and Janet nor can I find baptisms for William jr, Janet jr, Isabella, John, Agnes, James, or Margaret. I have searched Scotland's People on many occasions. Janet in 1861 was a toll keeper and a widow. A grandson of this family was William Alexander Kay who worked at Manchester University with Prof Rutherford when he split the atom. Is anybody researching this family, or could give me any advice, I would be very grateful. Eunice Wilson Cheshire

Eunice In the 1851/61 Census it should tell you where they were all born. We would then find it easier to locate them. What is Janet's maiden name? If she died in Scotland you will find her registered under her maiden name as well as her married name. Sheila KC Eunice Wilson wrote: > Hi > > First attempt at Scottish Family History. I have the following Kay family on 1841, 1851 and 1681 census > > William Kay born c 1806 miller, wife Janet c 1811. My problem is although I have numerous children I can not find a marriage for William and Janet nor can I find baptisms for William jr, Janet jr, Isabella, John, Agnes, James, or Margaret. > > I have searched Scotland's People on many occasions. Janet in 1861 was a toll keeper and a widow. > > A grandson of this family was William Alexander Kay who worked at Manchester University with Prof Rutherford when he split the atom. > > Is anybody researching this family, or could give me any advice, I would be very grateful. >

Mary is rightly referring to 'irregular marriages'. They were carried out, before witnesses, and were legal until 1940. The church of course frowned upon them and would fine the couple and witnesses. You will often see in later years that the couple were married by a clergyman. It was too expensive for some couples to register many years ago. Information from the Scottish Record Office book. Sheila KC Mary Guler wrote: > There are some non conformist records and small church records which are not on Scotland's People. Someone on the listserv may have one of the rare CDs and be able to do a look up for you. The other possibility is that they married in England or Ireland, or, I have read about some people who never "officially" married in the church because they thought that the fees for the banns was excessive. > > Mary > > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Eunice Wilson <eunicewilson@btinternet.com> wrote: > > From: Eunice Wilson <eunicewilson@btinternet.com> > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Kay family Lasswade > To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 7:19 AM > > Hi > > First attempt at Scottish Family History. I have the following Kay family on 1841, 1851 and 1681 census > > William Kay born c 1806 miller, wife Janet c 1811. My problem is although I have numerous children I can not find a marriage for William and Janet nor can I find baptisms for William jr, Janet jr, Isabella, John, Agnes, James, or Margaret. > > I have searched Scotland's People on many occasions. Janet in 1861 was a toll keeper and a widow. > > A grandson of this family was William Alexander Kay who worked at Manchester University with Prof Rutherford when he split the atom. > > Is anybody researching this family, or could give me any advice, I would be very grateful. > > Eunice Wilson > Cheshire > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi First attempt at Scottish Family History. I have the following Kay family on 1841, 1851 and 1681 census William Kay born c 1806 miller, wife Janet c 1811. My problem is although I have numerous children I can not find a marriage for William and Janet nor can I find baptisms for William jr, Janet jr, Isabella, John, Agnes, James, or Margaret. I have searched Scotland's People on many occasions. Janet in 1861 was a toll keeper and a widow. A grandson of this family was William Alexander Kay who worked at Manchester University with Prof Rutherford when he split the atom. Is anybody researching this family, or could give me any advice, I would be very grateful. Eunice Wilson Cheshire

There are some non conformist records and small church records which are not on Scotland's People.  Someone on the listserv may have one of the rare CDs and be able to do a look up for you.  The other possibility is that they married in England or Ireland, or, I have read about some people who never "officially" married in the church because they thought that the fees for the banns was excessive. Mary --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Eunice Wilson <eunicewilson@btinternet.com> wrote: From: Eunice Wilson <eunicewilson@btinternet.com> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Kay family Lasswade To: MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 7:19 AM Hi First attempt at Scottish Family History.  I have the following Kay family on 1841, 1851 and 1681 census William Kay born c 1806 miller, wife Janet c 1811.  My problem is although I have numerous children I can not find a marriage for William and Janet nor can I find baptisms for William jr, Janet jr, Isabella, John, Agnes, James, or Margaret. I have searched Scotland's People on many occasions. Janet in 1861 was a toll keeper and a widow. A grandson of this family was William Alexander Kay who worked at Manchester University with Prof Rutherford when he split the atom. Is anybody researching this family, or could give me any advice, I would be very grateful. Eunice Wilson Cheshire ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Irene, many thanks! This will help me a lot. Regards, Juanita In a message dated 11/28/2009 5:34:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, IPollands@aol.com writes: This is the information a friend sent me just a few days ago: The wedding records of more than 10,000 couples who eloped to Scotland to get married in the 18th and 19th century are set to be published online on _Ancestry.co.uk_ (http://ancestry.co.uk/) . Gretna Green became a popular venue for weddings in the 18th century. The town became a popular venue after the Marriage Act of 1754 in England, outlawing marriages without parental consent if either party was under 21. Many younger couples simply traveled over the border to Scotland, which had more lenient laws. Gretna Green became the most popular spot for couples who eloped. The Gretna Green Marriage Registers cover the period from 1795 to 1895. The collection contains the marriage records of Gretna Green's most prolific minister, David Lang. Each record details the full names of both husband and wife, their respective locations of residence, and the date of their wedding. Gretna Green remains a popular wedding venue to this day. However, the number of "runaway" marriages fell after an act of parliament was passed in 1856. _http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2009/11/gretna-green-runaway -wedding-records-go-online.html_ (http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2009/11/gretna-green-runaway -wedding-records-go-online.html) Irene, in Michigan In a message dated 11/28/2009 6:20:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Jua342@aol.com writes: Does anyone know of any listing of Gretna Green marriages c 1830? Would appreciate any info. Juanita ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is the information a friend sent me just a few days ago: The wedding records of more than 10,000 couples who eloped to Scotland to get married in the 18th and 19th century are set to be published online on _Ancestry.co.uk_ (http://ancestry.co.uk/) . Gretna Green became a popular venue for weddings in the 18th century. The town became a popular venue after the Marriage Act of 1754 in England, outlawing marriages without parental consent if either party was under 21. Many younger couples simply traveled over the border to Scotland, which had more lenient laws. Gretna Green became the most popular spot for couples who eloped. The Gretna Green Marriage Registers cover the period from 1795 to 1895. The collection contains the marriage records of Gretna Green's most prolific minister, David Lang. Each record details the full names of both husband and wife, their respective locations of residence, and the date of their wedding. Gretna Green remains a popular wedding venue to this day. However, the number of "runaway" marriages fell after an act of parliament was passed in 1856. _http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2009/11/gretna-green-runaway -wedding-records-go-online.html_ (http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2009/11/gretna-green-runaway-wedding-records-go-online.html) Irene, in Michigan In a message dated 11/28/2009 6:20:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Jua342@aol.com writes: Does anyone know of any listing of Gretna Green marriages c 1830? Would appreciate any info. Juanita ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know of any listing of Gretna Green marriages c 1830? Would appreciate any info. Juanita

I am researching Alexander Linton b 1778 son of Alexander Linton and Ann Young. A family story has him running away to sea as a young boy following the death of his mother and his father's remarriage. By 1813 he marries in Plymouth Devon, and is recorded as a mariner on the marriage certificate of his eldest daughter Ann Young Linton my gggg grandmother. I have so far been unable to find his father's remarriage or his mother's burial, and wonder if anyone could help me on this. kind regards Judith _________________________________________________________________ Got more than one Hotmail account? Save time by linking them together http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/

William, I looked thru the records I have, and I can't find anything more then what you have unfortunately. I do have a Mitchell Lauder connection. But I don't know which family Margaret Mitchell comes from yet. A birth: MITCHEL, Margaret Birth Date: 17 Oct 1758 Christening Date: 29 Oct 1758 Recorded in: Ratho, Midlothian, Scotland Fa: William MITCHEL Mo: Margaret LAUDER They had a lot of kids, here are the rest of the ones I have for this family. -MITCHEL, James Bir 1760 Scot Midl Ratho Fa: William MITCHEL Mo: Margaret LAUDER -MITCHEL, Alexander Bir 1762 Scot Midl Ratho Fa: William MITCHEL Mo: Margaret LAUDER -MITCHEL, William Bir 1765 Scot Midl Ratho Fa: William MITCHEL Mo: Margaret LAUDER -MITCHEL, Jean Bir 1767 Scot Midl Ratho Fa: William MITCHEL Mo: Margaret LAUDER Tammy William Garner wrote: > Albert and Tammy, > > I also have been seeking records from Ratho's missing period 1690-Aug 1737, searching for the ancestors & children of these two George Lauders. > > 25 May 1727 George Lauder & Elizabeth Brown married in Kirknewton/East Calder > > 22 Nov 1728 George Lauder & Jean Walker married in Ratho > > 6 May 1739 George Lauder born in Ratho parents: George Lauder & Elspeth Brown > > 3 Feb 1753 George Lauder born in Currie parents: George Lauder & Elizabeth Brown > > Curiously, ScotlandsPeople has the 1728 marriage of one George Lauder from > Ratho's missing period, as it does for George Lauder & Eliz Brown's marriage > in nearby Mid-Calder in 1727. Then it has the 1739 birth of George Lauder > in Ratho, to that earlier George Lauder couple from Mid-Calder, which same > couple then moved to Currie by 1753, I am trying to determine whether the > same couple were pre-1739 parents to my gggg-grandfather Thomas Lauder, who > married Margaret Aikman in Currie in 1765 & became a snuff miller in > EastMiln in Kinleith, Currie until his death in 1804 > > There is a good possibility that such Lauders from around Ratho would be > descendants of cadet branches from the Lauders of Haltoun, since the > principle Haltoun estate was located at Ratho, although the main branch of > that Lauder family had folded into the Maitland / Lauderdale family in the > mid-1600s. Does anyone know whether the Lauder/Maitland family would have > retained separate private records during that Ratho missing period which > could somehow still be accessed? By the way, it was the grandson of this > same Thomas Lauder, George Lauder (1815-1901) of Dunfermline, who founded > Lauder College (recently changed to Carnegie College), in order to realize > the dream of providing poor Scots a free education. > > William > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RussellAlb@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:14 PM > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Locating Ratho Records 1690-1737 > > > Tammy, > unfortunately the records from March 1689 to August 1738 simply have not > survived. > (even the baptismal register prior to 1689 is only an 18th? century copy > of the original). > > The registers must have been lost at some time before 1855. In that year, > all the birth, death and marriage registers of the Church of Scotland up to > > 1854 were brought in to be preserved at the General Register Office. > > Albert > > > > In a message dated 11/11/2009 19:16:36 GMT Standard Time, > ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca writes: > > My reason for writing, is to ask if there is any way to gain access to > the Ratho records for the period of 1690-1737 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have a few records for Ratho, that I thought I would share with others, hoping that it will help people research for this timeperiod. Tammy Mitchell >>>>> Bannatyne (Bannantyn, Bannatine), Patrick, schoolmaster in Ratho; Christian Ogilvie, d. of William O., farmer in Thurso, par. in Caithness, now in N. W. p. 26 Aug 1722 ----------------------------- Boog, John, indw. in par. of Ratho; Isobel Elder, ser. to Mrs. Campbell, milliner, in S. K. p. 26 Sep 1731 ------------------------------ Cleghorn (Claighorn), George, mason, in S. S. W. p.; Katherine Hodge, d. of Thomas H., farmer in Ratho, in S. S. W. p. 12 May 1728 ------------------------------- Cramond (Craumond), Robert, s. of John C., farmer in Ratho par.; Elizabeth Craig, ser. to James Connell, stabler, burgess, in S. W. p. 13 May 1711 , m. 08 Jun 1711 --------------------------------- Cumming (Cuming, Cummin) William, gardener in Adiestoun, in Ratho par.; Helen Smellie, d. of late John S., merchant in Glasgow, now in N. K. p. 20 Oct 1723 -------------------------------- Finnie (Finny), David, s. of David F., in Ratho par., now in S. S. E. p.; Jean Tod, d. of John T., tenant in Liberton par., now in S. S. E. p. 08 Oct 1710 , m. 09 Nov 1710 --------------------------------- Hardie (Hardy), James, smith, in S. S. E. p.; Isobel Dalmahoy, d. of late Alexander D., in Ratho par., now in S. S. E. p. 17 Jun 1716 , m. 13 Jul 1716 --------------------------------- Home (Hoom), John, mealmaker, indweller in N. W. p.; Agnes Cleiland, d. of late Robert C., wright in Ratho par. 10 May 1702 , m. (W. K.) 18 Jun 1702 --------------------------------- Kay, George, baker, s. of William K., farmer in the New Miln of Panbride, in S. K. p.; Ann Brown, d. of late Thomas B., farmer in par. of Ratho, now in S. S. W. p. 10 Nov 1734 ---------------------------------- Kincaid (Kinkaid), of Over Gogar Mains, Mr. Robert, in par. of Ratho; Frances Fullerton, d. of late Mr. William F. of Craighall, now in N. N. K. p. 09 Apr 1704 ---------------------------------- Hadden, Jonet, sometime spouse to George Mitchel, in Ratho, par. of Ratho, sher. of Edinburgh 27 Dec 1630 --------------------------------- Apprentice: Mitchell, Wm., s. to umq. Joseph M., fermorer in Ratho, p. to Patrick Anderson, white iron smith (B.) 16 Feb 1698 --------------------------------- Mitchell (Mitchel), John, s. of late Hugh M., maltman in Ratho; Margaret King, ser. to Mr. John M'Laren, minister in Edinburgh 21 Apr 1723 ---------------------------------- Thomson (Thomesoune, Thomsone) James, mason in Ratho; Janet Shearer, d. of deceased Andrew S., mason, burgess of Edinburgh 20 Mar 1698 , m. 09 Apr 1698 ----------------------------------- Robertson, William, merchant, in N. W. p.; Mrs. Agnes Fleeming, d. of Sir James F. of Ratho Byres, in N. K. p. 15 Mar 1719 , m. 26 Mar 1719 -------------------------------- Smith (Smyth), Mungo, indweller in S. K. p.; Margaret Caldwell, d. of James C., weaver in Ratho par. 23 Mar 1701 , m. (N. K.) 11 Apr 1701 ------------------------------- Welsh, John, s. of George W., stabler, in S. W. p.; Agnes Thomson, d. of late William T., farmer in par. of Ratho, now in N. W. p. 03 Aug 1735 ------------------------------- Whitsone, Wm., s. to Thomas W., portioner of Kirktoun in the parochine of Ratho, p. to Laurance Gellitly, mt. 27 Apr 1687 ------------------------------ Protocol Book of James Young 1507-1514/15 13 Jul 1503. Walter Yowng, burgess of gave sasine to Patrick Wilkesone of half of the said Walter's half (that is, one quarter) of the town and lands of Rathobiris, in the barony of Kirklistone and sheriffdom of Edinburgh. Done at the said Patrick's dwellinghouse on the ground of the said lands. Witnesses: Sir John Smalee, vicar of Ratho, Thomas Wilkesone, James Robisone, Thomas Biggare, William Coltis, James Steyl, Robert Wilkesone, George Foulis and John Braughy. 10th. 73v. ~~~ 10 Nov 1507. Ninian Marschell of Clauchrory, depute of John, lord Sympill, sheriff of Renfrew, gave sasine to Sir George Lauder of Quhitslaid, as son and heir of Sir Alexander Lauder of Haltoun, of the lands of Haltoun, Northraw of Ratho and Nortoune, extending to "four pleuch of land," lying in the barony of Renfrew and sheriffdom of Edinburgh; on crown precept dated at Edinburgh, 10 Nov a.r. 20. Done at the dwelling-house of Alexander Young (Nortoune), the dwelling-house of James Bischop (Northraw) and the gate of the castle of Haltoun. Witnesses: Alexander Dalmahoy of that ilk, Alexander Wardlaw of Wariston, Jasper Lauder of Balbardy, William Wilkin, John Gray, Walter Mychell, James Richart, William Smyth, William Hyne, James Masone, John Mathy, Robert Dalmahoy, John Braugy and John Reidheid. 12. 67r. ------------------------------- Brown (Broun, Browne) James, smith (test. from N. Leith); Agnes Chambers, d. of deceased Andrew C., wright at Livingstone (test. from Ratho) 12 Jun 1698 , m. 30 Jun 1698 ------------------------------ Hart (Heart, Hert) Mr. James, minister of Ratho; Margaret Livingston 04 Aug 1692 ------------------------------ Reid (Red, Reed, Rid, Ridde), Margaret; James Reid, in Ratho 05 Nov 1651 ------------------------------ Thomson (Thomesoune, Thomsone) James, mason in Ratho; Janet Shearer, d. of deceased Andrew S., mason, burgess of Edinburgh 20 Mar 1698 , m. 09 Apr 1698 ------------------------------- Young (Yowng), James, kirk officer in Ratho; Jean Weir, d. of deceased John W., farmer in Camnethen 11 Oct 1696 , m. 20 Nov 1696 ------------------------------- Maitland, James, Lord, in the paroch of Ratho, and Lady Jean Sutherland, daughter to the Lord Strathnaver 08 Aug 1702 Sutherland, Lady Jean, daughter to the Lord Strathnavar, and James, Lord Maitland, in the paroch of Ratho 08 Aug 1702 ------------------------------ Rule, Thomas, weaver, and Ann Dick, daughter of Daniel Dick, mason in Ratho 17 May 1790 ----------------------------- Tweeddale, Robert, tanner, and Ann Aitkin, daughter of Andrew Aitkin, farmer in the parish of Ratho 26 Mar 1798 ---------------------------- Finlay, Robert, s. to umq. James F., tenent in Jaw, paroch of Ratho, p. to Alexr. Henderson, baxter (B.) 23 Apr 1707 Finlay, John, s. to John F., tenant in the paroch of Ratho, p. to Robert Finlay, baxter (B.) 21 Feb 1733 ---------------------------- Thomson, Thomas, s. to John T., tailor in Ratho, p. to Wm. Smith, founder 23 Apr 1735 ----------------------------- Foulis, (blank), of Ratho, B. and G., be r. of fr. John F. of R., B. and G., gratis, by act of C. 01 Mar 1710 ----------------------------- Testament -Carmichael, Hugh, tenant in Ratho-byres 22 Jan 1709 -Foulis, Janet, daughter of the deceased John F., of Ratho 01 Aug 1792 Interments -Ratho (Ratha, Rathie), Lady, See Bryson. -Ratho (Ratha, Rathie), Janet, indweller; old thorn: a truf 06 Dec 1695 --------------------------- Hurron, William, in Ratho parish and Margaret Orr in this parish 17 May 1714 Orr Margaret, and William Hurron in Ratho par. 17 May 1714 --------------------------

I've found Parish session records handy. They may not include BMDs but could well mention any disputes, bastardy orders, folk receiving parish relief. It might be worth a look. All sorts of things come up in them though they may vary from parish to parish. the LDS may have films of them which would allow you to have a good browse though the writing back then could be difficult to read. If he was Church of Scotland you may find some references to him + very often local tradesmen, especially those who have proven to be good, get asked to do work for the church, repairs, additions &c. so bills and costs may be mentioned. If it was me, I'd go for it. If nothing else you'll get a picture of the life of the community back then :-) le durachd fionnghal > > Would there be other records for the time period, that I > may not know > about? Perhaps land ownership or tenantry? > I did see at the NAS there were the Ratho Parish Church > session records - what do you think would be within those, would there be > any BMD info?

Not at all unlikely in Scotland. The Scots had a very positive attitude to education, for all classes, and it was entirely possible for the son of a tradesman or tenant farmer to attend university. I don't have any references to hand, but there is plenty of information on Scottish education available in many books and journals Catherine On 12/11/2009, at 9:00 PM, midlothian-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Tammy: > > Are you certain that John's sons attended Edinburgh University? It > would be > highly unlikely that the sons of a tradesman would be accepted at > University. More likely, they would follow in their father's > footsteps, and > be stone masons. > > Eileen

Mary, Thank you for calling attention to those Ratho Kirk session records. I telephoned to the NAS and they confirmed that they do indeed hold all such Church of Scotland Ratho session records from 1683 thru 1947, but that theses records belong to the Church of Scotland, and therefore have not been incorporated into the online data available through ScotlandsPeople (a joint project of NAS & General Registry). Thus it was only the Parish / administrative records during 1690-1738 from Ratho which are missing. The only way to access those Kirk Session records, I am told, is for yourself or a friend/genealogist in your behalf actually to visit those NAS archives and research them personally (e.g., genealogists from www.asgra.co.uk ). William -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Guler Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:13 AM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Locating Ratho Records 1690-1738: George Lauder I've read that sometims births, marriages and deaths were noted in Kirk sessions.  There are apparently Kirk session records for Ratho available, but only at NAS in Scotland.  Does anyone know of any other way to access those records? Mary in FL --- On Fri, 11/13/09, William Garner <william@wgarner.com> wrote: From: William Garner <william@wgarner.com> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Locating Ratho Records 1690-1738: George Lauder To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:20 AM Albert and Tammy, I also have been seeking records from Ratho's missing period 1690-Aug 173, searching for the ancestors & children of these two George Lauders. 25 May 1727    George Lauder & Elizabeth Brown married in Kirknewton/East Calder 22 Nov 1728 George Lauder & Jean Walker married in Ratho 6 May 1739    George Lauder born in Ratho        parents: George Lauder & Elspeth Brown 3 Feb 1753    George Lauder born in Currie         parents: George Lauder & Elizabeth Brown Curiously, ScotlandsPeople has the 1728 marriage of one George Lauder from Ratho's missing period, as it does for George Lauder & Eliz Brown's marriage in nearby Mid-Calder in 1727.  Then it has the 1739 birth of George Lauder in Ratho, to that earlier George Lauder couple from Mid-Calder, which same couple then moved to Currie by 1753,  I am trying to determine whether the same couple were pre-1739 parents to my gggg-grandfather Thomas Lauder, who married Margaret Aikman in Currie in 1765 & became a snuff miller in EastMiln in Kinleith, Currie until his death in 1804    There is a good possibility that such Lauders from around Ratho would be descendants of cadet branches from the Lauders of Haltoun, since the principle Haltoun estate was located at Ratho, although the main branch of that Lauder family had folded into the Maitland / Lauderdale family in the mid-1600s.  Does anyone know whether the Lauder/Maitland family would have retained separate private records during that Ratho missing period which could somehow still be accessed?  By the way, it was the grandson of this same Thomas Lauder, George Lauder (1815-1901) of Dunfermline, who founded Lauder College (recently changed to Carnegie College), in order to realize the dream of providing poor Scots a free education. William  -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RussellAlb@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:14 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Locating Ratho Records 1690-1737 Tammy, unfortunately the records from March 1689 to August 1738 simply have not  survived. (even the baptismal register prior to 1689 is only an 18th?  century copy of the original). The registers must have been lost at some time before 1855. In that  year, all the birth, death and marriage registers of the Church of  Scotland up to 1854 were brought in to be preserved at the General  Register Office. Albert In a message dated 11/11/2009 19:16:36 GMT Standard Time,  ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca writes: My  reason for writing, is to ask if there is any way to gain access to the  Ratho records for the period of 1690-1737 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Transcribed from: History of the Regality of Musselburgh: with numerous extracts from the town ... By James Paterson The next prominent event in Scottish history is the rebellion 1715 or Mar's Year as it is popularly styled The measures of protection resorted to by the authorities of Musselburgh that occasion are fully recorded in the minutes 9 Aug 1715 The which day the Baillie having produced letter from the Shirreff deputes directed to him by order of Marquis of Lothian requiring his attendance against the instant in the Inner Session House att Edr in order to with the other gentlemen of the shyre upon methods for common saftie and for averting the sad effects with which nation is threatened which letter being produced to the they empower Baillie Ainslie to go and meett and treat the gentlemen forsaid and to report the result of the meeting to the Councill. 13 Aug 1715 The which day Baillie Ainslie having reported to the Councill that the gentlemen of the shyre had ou the llth inst resolved that all gentlemen heretors magistrates of burghs and others should against Thursday the eighteenth instant take up a particular list of what men live within their respective precincts from 16 years to 60 years of age in obedience thereto the Councill resolve that Baillie Ainslie BailJie Wilkie George Turnbull John Douglas and the clerk shall go through the liberties of this burgh on this side of the water and Baillie Mitchell Baillie Smart John Cathie Alexander Young and Thomas Mitchell shall go through the liberties on the other side of the water against Monday the fifteenth instant aud take a list of the forsaid persons and after this is done to present it to the Councill and certifie it as they see fitt. Councill they 27 Aug 1715 The Councill considering the dangerous times they condescend that their shall be ane guard keept in every side of the water consisting of ane captain of guard ser gand corporal and thirtie men and that this guard begin on Monday next entering at six of the clock at night and lowsing att six of the morning and for that end they condescend that all the guns and swords belonging to the inhabitants be lodged in the tolbooth against Monday morning in order to choose out as many of the best of them as will be fitt to serve the guard nightlie and that the captain to be named shall always at the dismounting of his guard take charge of the said guns and swords till the next succeeding captain conveen his guard att his house and gett them from him and they condescend thatt their be ffour pound weight of powder and eight pound weight of lead bullets provided for each of the said guards. -- just a clip! More info on google books, search the title. Tammy

Transcribed from: History of the Regality of Musselburgh: with numerous extracts from the town ... By James Paterson April 1847 18 Sacred to the memory of ROBERT MITCHELL timber merchant Fisherrow his wife MARGARET LIVIE and his two sons JOHN and FRANCIS all of whom fell victims to that awful visitation of Heaven the cholera morbus during the first week of February 1832. A few records to send to the list. My interest at the moment is Mitchell, so here is one. Tammy Mitchell