Hello Carolyn Can't really help with what happened to this family. I couldn't find them in Scotland after 1901 nor could I find any deaths in England for John E W Jack or his son. I did notice, however, that according to the birth index on Scotlands People, his son was registered under the name of Edward, and not Frederick. I had a look on Ancestry's passenger lists but couldn't find them. But I may have missed them. I don't believe that Ancestry has transcribed 20th Century passenger lists for Australia, New Zealand and South Africa but they can be found on Find My Past. I had a look on there but there were too many John Jacks, age unknown, plus a few possible matches which you might like to pursue (it is a pay site). Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Prellwitz" <cprellwitz@telus.net> To: <jack@rootsweb.com>; <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:01 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] John Edward Wastle JACK > Seeking information re the family of John Edward Wastle JACK, born 28 Dec > 1871 in Leith, Midlothian, Scotland to William Stevenson JACK and Johanna > WASTLE. > > John married Emily Maud Wingrave HAWKES (b. 1881) on 16 Sept 1895 in > Luton, Bedfordshire, England. In 1901 John was working as a dock worker > and living with his wife, children (Emily Ann JACK, born 1898 and > Frederick JACK, born 1900) and widowed sister (Johanna Henderson, nee > JACK, born 1878) at 113 Bonnington Road, South Leith, Edinburgh. > > Have not been able to find any subsequent B/M/D/census information re this > family. Did they migrate? If so, where? Any leads most appreciated. > > Carolyn >

Rhoda - Thank you for your bit of research, particularly the tip about Frederick being registered under the name of Edward, instead of Frederick. I will follow that up myself on Scotland's People. I have searched the migration records at Find My Past but so far have come up empty. I will search again using the son's name as Edward instead of Fred/Frederick. Thanks again. Carolyn

Seeking information re the family of John Edward Wastle JACK, born 28 Dec 1871 in Leith, Midlothian, Scotland to William Stevenson JACK and Johanna WASTLE. John married Emily Maud Wingrave HAWKES (b. 1881) on 16 Sept 1895 in Luton, Bedfordshire, England. In 1901 John was working as a dock worker and living with his wife, children (Emily Ann JACK, born 1898 and Frederick JACK, born 1900) and widowed sister (Johanna Henderson, nee JACK, born 1878) at 113 Bonnington Road, South Leith, Edinburgh. Have not been able to find any subsequent B/M/D/census information re this family. Did they migrate? If so, where? Any leads most appreciated. Carolyn

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Ronald The attached link is to a page on "Scotlands Places" which refers to an early 19th Century Plan of the Estate of Dalkeith including Newfarm. There is no digital image of the Plan but if you wanted to view the Plan the advice is to contact the NAS quoting the Site ID (given at the top of the webpage). http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search_item/index.php?service=NAS&id=RHP3678 Rhoda

Hello again, Thanks to all the listers who replied re SHILLINGLAW. Rhoda, I am fairly sure that the William who died at Dalkeith in 1809 (one of the five?) is my man, but no age is shown. Simply that he was a ' labourer at Newfarm.' Incidentally scotlandspeople have mis-read the year. I have examined the film and the year is '1807'. I did the decent thing and e-mailed them to point out the error. They told me to take it up with GROS. I told them to get off their backsides! Bob, I'm lost in admiration of (a) your industry, and (b) your technical ability in putting all that information on the screen. I'm beyond help as far as that sort of thing goes, being of a certain age, and posting my little bit on this list was the acme of my computing career! Your list includes Philip's known siblings (first four on your list) plus Philip's children born at Chislehurst Kent. Not shown is an earlier daughter, Ann, born 1808 at Bray, Berkshire (in IGI), and Elizabeth (c.1820) and Martha (c.1825) these last two not being found in any known parish-register. However, we believe they were born at Aberdalgie, Perthshire, as Philip was working at Dupplin between 1820 and 1841. The other 'Shillinglaw' baptisms, etc, in Kent don't appear to be directly connected with mine, despite the apparent geographical nearness. Liz, I've noted your interest re a Thomas SHILLINGLAW and will respond should anything come to my notice. Thank you. Ronald.

Sorry, that is Thomas SHILLINGLAW.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Dempster" <germic90@sympatico.ca> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SHILLINGLAW in Dalkeith > Hi: > > If anyone comes across a connection to a Thomas SHILLINLAW and Margaret > SWANSTON, daughter Christian SHILLINLAW(bd08May1806) and her husband > Murdoch > MacKay (married July 17, 1829) and then their daughter Margaret > (30Jun1830) > who married George Mill and then their daughter, George Jane, > (bd09May1867(aka Georgina)) who married Lauchlan John Dempster (bd31 > Jul1863) on 05 Dec 1884 please contact me. I have lots of Dempster > info, > and some Mill(s) family as well...and some McKay info. Have only just > started sourcing the Shillinglaw part of the family but am always > interested > in the possiblity of a connection. > > Liz Dempster > Ontario Canada. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronald Smith" <ronald.smith99@virgin.net> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:44 AM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SHILLINGLAW in Dalkeith > > >> Hello all, >> >> this is my first contact with the Midlothian list. In >> 1768 William SHILLINGLAW and Ann SCOUGALL were married at Channelkirk. >> During the next twenty years they had four children baptised at >> Dalkeith, >> including Philip SHILLINGLAW (1777 ) who is my ancestor. Nothing >> is known of Philip until 30 years later when in 1807, he married Sarah >> PRINCE at St Martin in the Fields, London. Thereafter, he worked >> as >> a gardener at Bray, Berkshire; Camden Place Chislehurst, Kent; then >> Dupplin Castle, Aberdalgie, Perthshire (gardener to the Earl of >> Kinnoul ). In 1841, Philip, then aged 64, emigrated to Victoria, >> Australia, with son William, and daughters, Caroline, Elizabeth and >> Martha. It is presumed that his wife Sarah had died before 1841, >> but >> no record has been found. >> >> What was he doing for the first thirty years of his life? >> I fancy he was probably working as a gardener in Dalkeith area, >> possibly >> the Dalkeith Palace Gardens (given his subsequent carreer). Can >> anyone help me fill in this blank period please. I have been >> told >> that when Philip's brother William died at Pathhead in the 1860s the >> death-entry described their father, William, as a 'soldier.' ( that's >> the William mentioned in the first line of this posting.) Does anyone >> have any information on that? >> >> I do know that there were other SHILLINGLAWs in Dalkeith >> during the period of interest, but I don't know if they were related. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Ronald Smith at Romford, Essex, U.K. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Ronald Scotlands People lists the deaths/burials of 5 William Shillinglaws in Midlothian between 1802 and 1847. One of those was in Dalkeith in 1809. Have you looked at those to see if your Philip's father is one of them? Having said that I don't know how much information will be in these pre-1855 records Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Smith" <ronald.smith99@virgin.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SHILLINGLAW in Dalkeith > Hello all, > > this is my first contact with the Midlothian list. In > 1768 William SHILLINGLAW and Ann SCOUGALL were married at Channelkirk. > During the next twenty years they had four children baptised at Dalkeith, > including Philip SHILLINGLAW (1777 ) who is my ancestor. Nothing > is known of Philip until 30 years later when in 1807, he married Sarah > PRINCE at St Martin in the Fields, London. Thereafter, he worked as > a gardener at Bray, Berkshire; Camden Place Chislehurst, Kent; then > Dupplin Castle, Aberdalgie, Perthshire (gardener to the Earl of > Kinnoul ). In 1841, Philip, then aged 64, emigrated to Victoria, > Australia, with son William, and daughters, Caroline, Elizabeth and > Martha. It is presumed that his wife Sarah had died before 1841, but > no record has been found. > > What was he doing for the first thirty years of his life? > I fancy he was probably working as a gardener in Dalkeith area, possibly > the Dalkeith Palace Gardens (given his subsequent carreer). Can > anyone help me fill in this blank period please. I have been told > that when Philip's brother William died at Pathhead in the 1860s the > death-entry described their father, William, as a 'soldier.' ( that's > the William mentioned in the first line of this posting.) Does anyone > have any information on that? > > I do know that there were other SHILLINGLAWs in Dalkeith > during the period of interest, but I don't know if they were related. > > > Regards, > > > Ronald Smith at Romford, Essex, U.K. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all, this is my first contact with the Midlothian list. In 1768 William SHILLINGLAW and Ann SCOUGALL were married at Channelkirk. During the next twenty years they had four children baptised at Dalkeith, including Philip SHILLINGLAW (1777 ) who is my ancestor. Nothing is known of Philip until 30 years later when in 1807, he married Sarah PRINCE at St Martin in the Fields, London. Thereafter, he worked as a gardener at Bray, Berkshire; Camden Place Chislehurst, Kent; then Dupplin Castle, Aberdalgie, Perthshire (gardener to the Earl of Kinnoul ). In 1841, Philip, then aged 64, emigrated to Victoria, Australia, with son William, and daughters, Caroline, Elizabeth and Martha. It is presumed that his wife Sarah had died before 1841, but no record has been found. What was he doing for the first thirty years of his life? I fancy he was probably working as a gardener in Dalkeith area, possibly the Dalkeith Palace Gardens (given his subsequent carreer). Can anyone help me fill in this blank period please. I have been told that when Philip's brother William died at Pathhead in the 1860s the death-entry described their father, William, as a 'soldier.' ( that's the William mentioned in the first line of this posting.) Does anyone have any information on that? I do know that there were other SHILLINGLAWs in Dalkeith during the period of interest, but I don't know if they were related. Regards, Ronald Smith at Romford, Essex, U.K.

Hi: If anyone comes across a connection to a Thomas SHILLINLAW and Margaret SWANSTON, daughter Christian SHILLINLAW(bd08May1806) and her husband Murdoch MacKay (married July 17, 1829) and then their daughter Margaret (30Jun1830) who married George Mill and then their daughter, George Jane, (bd09May1867(aka Georgina)) who married Lauchlan John Dempster (bd31 Jul1863) on 05 Dec 1884 please contact me. I have lots of Dempster info, and some Mill(s) family as well...and some McKay info. Have only just started sourcing the Shillinglaw part of the family but am always interested in the possiblity of a connection. Liz Dempster Ontario Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Smith" <ronald.smith99@virgin.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SHILLINGLAW in Dalkeith > Hello all, > > this is my first contact with the Midlothian list. In > 1768 William SHILLINGLAW and Ann SCOUGALL were married at Channelkirk. > During the next twenty years they had four children baptised at Dalkeith, > including Philip SHILLINGLAW (1777 ) who is my ancestor. Nothing > is known of Philip until 30 years later when in 1807, he married Sarah > PRINCE at St Martin in the Fields, London. Thereafter, he worked as > a gardener at Bray, Berkshire; Camden Place Chislehurst, Kent; then > Dupplin Castle, Aberdalgie, Perthshire (gardener to the Earl of > Kinnoul ). In 1841, Philip, then aged 64, emigrated to Victoria, > Australia, with son William, and daughters, Caroline, Elizabeth and > Martha. It is presumed that his wife Sarah had died before 1841, but > no record has been found. > > What was he doing for the first thirty years of his life? > I fancy he was probably working as a gardener in Dalkeith area, possibly > the Dalkeith Palace Gardens (given his subsequent carreer). Can > anyone help me fill in this blank period please. I have been told > that when Philip's brother William died at Pathhead in the 1860s the > death-entry described their father, William, as a 'soldier.' ( that's > the William mentioned in the first line of this posting.) Does anyone > have any information on that? > > I do know that there were other SHILLINGLAWs in Dalkeith > during the period of interest, but I don't know if they were related. > > > Regards, > > > Ronald Smith at Romford, Essex, U.K. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ronald, Found the following info while looking for your Shillinglaws. You probably have most of this but would be a shame not to post it for others to see. Bob Cdn ---------------------------- SHILLINGLAW Andrew Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 22 Apr 1772 Christening Date: 26 Apr 1772 Recorded in: Dalkeith Midlothian Scotland Father: William SHILLINGLAW Mother: Anne SCOUGAL Source: FHL Film 1066680 Dates: 1765 - 1820 SHILLINGLAW Philip Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 21 May 1777 Christening Date: 25 May 1777 Recorded in: Dalkeith Midlothian Scotland Father: William SHILLINGLAW Mother: Anne SCOUGAL Source: FHL Film 1066680 Dates: 1773 - 1779 SHILLINGLAW Ann Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 17 Mar 1784 Christening Date: 28 Mar 1784 Recorded in: Dalkeith Midlothian Scotland Father: William SHILLINGLAW Mother: Ann SCUGAL Source: FHL Film 1066680 Dates: 1765 - 1820 SHILLINGLAW William Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 2 Jun 1787 Christening Date: 11 Jun 1787 Recorded in: Dalkeith Midlothian Scotland Father: William SHILLINGLAW Mother: Ann SCUGAL Source: FHL Film 1066680 Dates: 1765 - 1820 SHILLINGLAW Carolina Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 23 Dec 1812 Christening Date: 10 Jan 1813 Recorded in: Dalkeith Midlothian Scotland Father: Thomas SHILLINGLAW Mother: Elisabeth GRAY Source: FHL Film 1066680 Dates: 1805 - 1855 SHILLINGLAW Caroline Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 30 Dec 1812 Birthplace: Dalkeith Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Dalkeith Midlothian Scotland Father: Thomas SHILLINGLAW Mother: Elesabeth CLARKSON Source: FHL Film 1066682 Dates: 1805 - 1855 SHILLINGLAW James Guthrie Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 28 Feb 1846 Birthplace: Dalkeith Midlothian Scotland Recorded in: Dalkeith Midlothian Scotland Father: Andrew SHILLINGLAW Mother: Elizabeth GUTHRIE Source: FHL Film 1066682 Dates: 1805 - 1855 --------------- SHILLINGLAW Caroline Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 14 Aug 1810 Christening Date: 14 Oct 1810 Recorded in: Chislehurst Kent England Collection: BTs Father: Philip SHILLINGLAW Mother: Sarah Source: FHL Film 1042459 Dates: 1567 - 1880 SHILLINGLAW Jane Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 21 Jun 1812 Christening Date: 15 Nov 1812 Recorded in: Chislehurst Kent England Collection: BTs Father: Philip SHILLINGLAW Mother: Sarah Source: FHL Film 1042459 Dates: 1567 - 1880 SHILLINGLAW Sarah Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 2 May 1814 Christening Date: 29 May 1814 Recorded in: Chislehurst Kent England Collection: BTs Father: Philip SHILLINGLAW Mother: Sarah Source: FHL Film 1042459 Dates: 1567 - 1880 SHILLINGLAW William Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 21 Sep 1817 Recorded in: Chislehurst Kent England Collection: BTs Father: Philip SHILLINGLAW Mother: Sarah Source: FHL Film 1042459 Dates: 1567 - 1880 SHILLINGLAW Margaret Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 5 May 1861 Recorded in: Gillingham Kent England Father: John SHILLINGLAW Mother: Jane Source: FHL Film 1042491 Dates: 1813 - 1882 SHILLINGLAW Helen Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 16 Nov 1862 Recorded in: Gillingham Kent England Father: John SHILLINGLAW Mother: Jane Source: FHL Film 1042491 Dates: 1813 - 1882 SHILLINGLAW Jane Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 4 Sep 1864 Recorded in: Gillingham Kent England Father: John SHILLINGLAW Mother: Jane Source: FHL Film 1042491 Dates: 1813 - 1882 SHILLINGLAW Mary Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 28 Oct 1866 Recorded in: Gillingham Kent England Father: John SHILLINGLAW Mother: Jane Source: FHL Film 1042491 Dates: 1813 - 1882 --SHILLINGLOW William Marriage Wife: Sarah COULTHARD Marriage Date: 8 Dec 1813 Recorded in: Chatham Kent England Collection: BTs Source: FHL Film 1469318 Dates: 1813 - 1821 SLACKFORD Robert Marriage Wife: Ester SHILLINGLAW Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1814 Recorded in: Frindsbury Kent England Source: FHL Film 1469343 Dates: 1813 - 1825 SHILLINGLAW William Marriage Wife: Sarah FARMER Marriage Date: 1 Jun 1818 Recorded in: Rochester Kent England Collection: St Margaret Source: FHL Film 1469483 Dates: 1813 - 1833 =============== On 13/12/2009 9:44 AM, Ronald Smith wrote:<SNIP>...this is my first contact with the Midlothian list. In 1768 William SHILLINGLAW and Ann SCOUGALL were married at Channelkirk. ... ===============

Seeking marriage/death/descendant information re the following children of George Jack (born c. 1779) and Christian Logan (born c. 1779), married 1 July 1800 in Edinburgh: Margaret JACK- born 25 April 1801 in Tranent, East Lothian; baptized 3 May 1801 in Tranent; baptism witnessed by congregation in Tranent Christian JACK - baptized 26 January 1803 in Durness, Sutherland (Father George Jack was working as a grieve or principal servant of Mr. Dunlop at Balnakiel, Durness at the time of the baptism. Mr. Dunlop was a sheep farm tenant in the 1800's at Balnakiel House in Durness.) Robina JACK - born 24 Mar 1805 Tranent; baptized 7 April 1805 Tranent William Graham Jack - born 24 Dec 1806 Haddington, East Lothian; baptized 18 Jan 1807 Haddington; baptism witnessed by John Purves and Rick Dobie The above children are all "brick walls" in my family tree. Any leads much appreciated. Carolyn Canada

Mary This link will give you a bit of information on the history of Wright's Houses or "Wrychtis-housis" as the house that once stood there was called. http://www.oldandnewedinburgh.co.uk/volume5/page43.html Rhoda

Hello Mary I think there was an area called Valleyfield in the Tollcross area of Edinburgh. There is a Valleyfield Street in the area today and apparently there used to be a paper mill at Valleyfield. Castlebarns was an area lying to both sides of the present-day Lothian Road, just north of Tollcross. Googling it tells me that Castlebarns was an area for the accommodation of the Scottish Court when the King lived in Edinburgh Castle but it may have started off as a grange or farm attached to the Castle. If you put "Wright's Houses" in Google you will find the place on Google Maps. It is just off the Meadows in the centre of Edinburgh and I imagine got its name from a Mr Wright. But someone may know better. (Using the Google walkthrough made me feel quite homesick. I used to walk through that part of The Meadows every weekday afternoon on my way home from school!) Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Guler" <mlmguler@yahoo.com> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 5:23 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Question I recently got the following citation (1751, St Cuthberts) from Scotlandspeople: "James McCrabie Causey layer residenter in Castlebarns and Agnes Pirrie Servitrix in Wrighthouses daughter of James Pirrie Castle Soldier and servent to Mr Matheson at Valley <illegible>" Can anyone tell me about Castlebarns? I have found it as two words, as well as one word, and think that it might be an area that was once the castle barns of Edinburgh Castle. If someone was a "castle soldier" in 1751, in the Edinburgh area, is it safe to assume that the reference is to Edinburgh Castle? What were Wrighthouses? Would it be safe to assume that "Mr. Matheson" was a surgeon, a reverend, or of some other educated profession? And, lastly, is there an area known as "Valley <something>" in the Edinburgh region? I apologize for all the questions, but this is such a learned group......I know that this is the right place to ask these questions :o) Thank you in advance of your answer! Mary

Hi Mary, If you check out http://edinburghbookshelf.org.uk/volume10/page166.html you will find reference to Castle Barns. It appears to have been the Home Farm for Edinburgh Castle. I would imagine that "Castle soldier", would refer to Edinburgh Castle. Could your Valley**** be Valleyfield? Quote from http://living.scotsman.com/books/Prisoners-from-Napoleon-All-Men.4721137.jp - "William Chambers, who would grow up to establish with his brother Robert the eponymous publishing empire and become twice Lord Provost of Edinburgh, was looking at Valleyfield Depot, a prisoner-of-war camp holding French and other soldiers and sailors captured in the Napoleonic Wars raging at the time - and the place was going like a fair. "The shops in the village were shut," he would write 60-odd years later. "From the church was heard the voice of the preacher. Looking down on this hive of living beings, there was not among them a vestige of the ordinary calm of Sunday - only Dimanche!" There are still streets in Edinburgh bearing the name "Valleyfield." Without a Christian name for Mr Matheson, it is hard to discover what his profession would be, but I would imagine that he would be a "Learned gentleman", since he is referred to as Mr rather than by his Christian name. Hope that this helps a little with your query. Margaret

I recently got the following citation (1751, St Cuthberts) from Scotlandspeople: "James McCrabie Causey layer residenter in Castlebarns and Agnes Pirrie Servitrix in Wrighthouses daughter of James Pirrie Castle Soldier and servent to Mr Matheson at Valley <illegible>"   Can anyone tell me about Castlebarns?  I have found it as two words, as well as one word, and think that it might be an area that was once the castle barns of Edinburgh Castle.  If someone was a "castle soldier" in 1751, in the Edinburgh area, is it safe to assume that the reference is to Edinburgh Castle?  What were Wrighthouses? Would it be safe to assume that "Mr. Matheson" was a surgeon, a reverend, or of some other educated profession?  And, lastly, is there an area known as "Valley <something>" in the Edinburgh region?    I apologize for all the questions, but this is such a learned group......I know that this is the right place to ask these questions :o)   Thank you in advance of your answer!   Mary 

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhona and Tom Seath" <rtseath1@bigpond.com> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] KAY >I also have Percy Thomas KAY no other details other than the married my >aunt > Agnes (Una) O'RORKE in Edinburgh. I presume he was born around 1910 > > Take Care > > Rhona > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ella Ross" <ebbtide@ihug.com.au> > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:58 AM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] KAY > > >> Hi >> I was pleased to see the name Kay being given such attention. >> >> I have a Kay family in Edinburgh. >> In the 1851 census there was Thomas Kay (abt 30) and his wife Isabella ms >> McLaren (abt 25) . >> They were living in the Cowgate with their children >> Simon (4) >> Robert(2) and >> Thomas. >> >> Simon married my g g grandmother Isabella Gillespie. >> >> Does anyone have an interest in this family? >> >> regards >> Ella Ross >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I also have Percy Thomas KAY no other details other than the married my aunt Agnes (Una) O'RORKE in Edinburgh. I presume he was born around 1910 Take Care Rhona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ella Ross" <ebbtide@ihug.com.au> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] KAY > Hi > I was pleased to see the name Kay being given such attention. > > I have a Kay family in Edinburgh. > In the 1851 census there was Thomas Kay (abt 30) and his wife Isabella ms > McLaren (abt 25) . > They were living in the Cowgate with their children > Simon (4) > Robert(2) and > Thomas. > > Simon married my g g grandmother Isabella Gillespie. > > Does anyone have an interest in this family? > > regards > Ella Ross > >