According to the 1851 census, William Lain is recorded as 10 months old and living in 12 Hermitage Place, St Cuthbert's - Midlothian. ( father John Lain and mother Helen)   I need to get information regarding his birth.   If anyone is researching this time period in the relevant parish registers, would it be possible for them to look up this information, as they are doing their own research?   I have also drawn a blank for the whole of the family in the 1861 census - so any helpful pointers would be very much appreciated   I live in Plymouth, and am happy to look up records in my local library if this is helpful to anyone.   Kind regards   Avril

Avril, In addition to what Rhoda gave you, the following info was obtained via the LDS/FHC information system. The correction of dates you did in your second message made sense of the files listed below pre 1841. I did not find your William but two other children show up, Helen and John Christopher. If it is the correct family you now have the Mothers surname "Allan". Hope the data helps with your research. Bob Cdn ---------------------------------- LANE, John Christopher Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Mar 1834 Birthplace: Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Collection: St Cuthbert Father: John LANE Mother: Helen ALLAN LANE, Helen Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 25 Aug 1836 Birthplace: Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Recorded in: Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Collection: St Cuthbert Father: John LANE Mother: Helen ALLAN Source: FHL Film 1040214 Dates: 1813 - 1855 ===================== On 03/04/2010 4:36 AM, avril lacey wrote:<SNIP>...I recently sent an message containing the wrong dates relating to William Lain. Apologies for that. The followoing is what should have been sent: According to the 1841 census, William Lain is recorded as 10 months old and living in 12 Hermitage Place, St Cuthbert's - Midlothian. ( father John Lain and mother Helen)... ============== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/ *Interested in Ireland Genealogy, visit the IGP Archives.* IGP Archives Website <http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/> ===============

Noted with interest your reply to John which referenced a number of Cooks and Wallaces. My Greatgrandfather Alexander Wallace b. 4 Oct 1867 at Leith, Midlothian, Scotland was the illegimate son of Andrew Leslie Wallace b. 21 Aug 1846 and Christina Cochrane Cook b. 23 Apr 1850. I would appreciate hearing from John if he finds any connection to his Cook family. Christine's parents were Alexander Cook and Anne Gilray. Thanks Tom Wallace San Francisco In a message dated 3/28/2010 7:53:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hiflyte@telus.net writes: John, Some entries that appear to be your research surnames, three John/Elizabeth births and other births South Leith (short format). This data can be located via your local FHC. Bob Cdn -------------------- Births: COOK Christine Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 12 May 1695 Christening Date: 16 May 1695 Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: John COOK Mother: Elizabeth ROSS Source: FHL Film 1067773 Dates: 1687 - 1712 COOK Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 13 Apr 1700 Christening Date: 18 Apr 1700 Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: John COOK Mother: Elizabeth ROSS Source: FHL Film 1067773 Dates: 1687 - 1712 COOK Margaret Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 25 Nov 1701 Christening Date: 27 Nov 1701 Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: John COOK Mother: Elizabeth ROSS Source: FHL Film 1067773 Dates: 1687 - 1712 ------------------------ Robert Cook/ Margaret Wallace/other births COOK, Grizell Bir 1706 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK Mo: Margaret WALLACE COOK, James Bir 1707 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK Mo: Margaret WALLACE COOK, Georg Bir 1709 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK Mo: Margaret WALLACE COOK, Bessie Bir 1710 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK Mo: Margaret WALLACE COOK, Robert Bir 1711 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK Mo: Margaret WALLACE COOK, Margaret Bir 1712 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK Mo: Margaret WALLACE COOK, Bir 1789 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK ==================== On 28/03/2010 1:35 AM, John Cook wrote: <SNIP>...I am looking for information about a John Cook, who, in April, 1700, is called a " town officer " for Leith. This comes from the birth record of his son Robert, who might be my 7th great grandfather. John Cook's wife is called " Elizabeth Ross ".... ==================== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/ *Interested in Ireland Genealogy, visit the IGP Archives.* IGP Archives Website <http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could not located the 1867 Alex birth Just a follow-up check of the data and found these entries: WALLACE, Alexander Leslie Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 21 Aug 1846 Christening Date: 30 Aug 1846 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: James WALLACE Mother: Mary NICHOLSON Source: FHL Film 1067784 Dates: 1814 - 1855 WALLACE, Agnes Leslie Bir 1840 Scot Midl Libert Fa: James WALLACE Mo: Mary NICHOLSON WALLACE, James Bir 1842 Scot Midl Libert Fa: James WALLACE Mo: Mary NICHOLSON WALLACE, John Bir 1844 Scot Midl Libert Fa: James WALLACE Mo: Mary NICHOLSON WALLACE, Alexander Leslie Bir 1846 Scot Midl Libert Fa: James WALLACE Mo: Mary NICHOLSON WALLACE, Andrew Leslie Bir 1846 Scot Midl Libert Fa: James WALLACE Mo: Mary NICHOLSON =================== On 28/03/2010 9:54 AM, Proliberta@aol.com wrote:<SNIP>...My Greatgrandfather Alexander Wallace b. 4 Oct 1867 at Leith, Midlothian, Scotland was the illegimate son of Andrew Leslie Wallace b. 21 Aug 1846 and Christina Cochrane Cook b. 23 Apr 1850.... ==================== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/ *Interested in Ireland Genealogy, visit the IGP Archives.* IGP Archives Website <http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/>

Maybe his parents sent/allowed him to migrate to North America (NA) but could not afford the cost so he was indentured to Boyd in Maryland or maybe he could not afford the cost of the trip to NA so put himself into indentureship. Is Boyd related to Cook? The town/county archives "may" have a copy of the indenture legal papers - one never knows what may be stored away in the city archives. They just may shed some light on the subject. Wish you luck with the research. At least you have place of birth to start with, I have been looking for a number of years in Ireland for some of mine but no luck so far....but never give up the ship. Bob Cdn ================ On 28/03/2010 9:30 AM, John Cook wrote: <SNIP>...Robert, first shows up as an indentured servant, in the employ of a " Mr. Boyd ", in St. Mary's County, Maryland. Everything turns upon somehow showing that the Robert, born in 1700 to John Cook and Elizabeth Ross, left Scotland, and went to America. ... ============== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/ *Interested in Ireland Genealogy, visit the IGP Archives.* IGP Archives Website <http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/>

John, Some entries that appear to be your research surnames, three John/Elizabeth births and other births South Leith (short format). This data can be located via your local FHC. Bob Cdn -------------------- Births: COOK Christine Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 12 May 1695 Christening Date: 16 May 1695 Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: John COOK Mother: Elizabeth ROSS Source: FHL Film 1067773 Dates: 1687 - 1712 COOK Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 13 Apr 1700 Christening Date: 18 Apr 1700 Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: John COOK Mother: Elizabeth ROSS Source: FHL Film 1067773 Dates: 1687 - 1712 COOK Margaret Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 25 Nov 1701 Christening Date: 27 Nov 1701 Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: John COOK Mother: Elizabeth ROSS Source: FHL Film 1067773 Dates: 1687 - 1712 ------------------------ Robert Cook/ Margaret Wallace/other births COOK, Grizell Bir 1706 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK Mo: Margaret WALLACE COOK, James Bir 1707 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK Mo: Margaret WALLACE COOK, Georg Bir 1709 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK Mo: Margaret WALLACE COOK, Bessie Bir 1710 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK Mo: Margaret WALLACE COOK, Robert Bir 1711 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK Mo: Margaret WALLACE COOK, Margaret Bir 1712 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK Mo: Margaret WALLACE COOK, Bir 1789 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert COOK ==================== On 28/03/2010 1:35 AM, John Cook wrote: <SNIP>...I am looking for information about a John Cook, who, in April, 1700, is called a " town officer " for Leith. This comes from the birth record of his son Robert, who might be my 7th great grandfather. John Cook's wife is called " Elizabeth Ross ".... ==================== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/ *Interested in Ireland Genealogy, visit the IGP Archives.* IGP Archives Website <http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/>

Dear Bob:        Thank you for the information. I already had some of it, from the Scotland's People website. My trouble is, that my 7th great grandfather, Robert, first shows up as an indentured servant, in the employ of a " Mr. Boyd ", in St. Mary's County, Maryland. Everything turns upon somehow showing that the Robert, born in 1700 to John Cook and Elizabeth Ross, left  Scotland, and went to America. --- On Sun, 3/28/10, hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> wrote: From: hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Cook - South Leith To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 10:53 AM John, Some entries that appear to be your research surnames, three John/Elizabeth births and other births South Leith (short format). This data can be located via your local FHC. Bob Cdn -------------------- Births: COOK Christine Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 12 May 1695 Christening Date: 16 May 1695 Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: John COOK Mother: Elizabeth ROSS Source: FHL Film 1067773 Dates: 1687 - 1712 COOK Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 13 Apr 1700 Christening Date: 18 Apr 1700 Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: John COOK Mother: Elizabeth ROSS Source: FHL Film 1067773 Dates: 1687 - 1712 COOK Margaret Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 25 Nov 1701 Christening Date: 27 Nov 1701 Recorded in: South Leith Midlothian Scotland Father: John COOK Mother: Elizabeth ROSS Source: FHL Film 1067773 Dates: 1687 - 1712 ------------------------ Robert Cook/ Margaret Wallace/other births COOK, Grizell    Bir    1706    Scot    Midl    SouLei Fa:    Robert COOK Mo:    Margaret WALLACE COOK, James    Bir    1707    Scot    Midl    SouLei Fa:    Robert COOK Mo:    Margaret WALLACE COOK, Georg    Bir    1709    Scot    Midl    SouLei Fa:    Robert COOK Mo:    Margaret WALLACE COOK, Bessie    Bir    1710    Scot    Midl    SouLei Fa:    Robert COOK Mo:    Margaret WALLACE COOK, Robert    Bir    1711    Scot    Midl    SouLei Fa:    Robert COOK Mo:    Margaret WALLACE COOK, Margaret    Bir    1712    Scot    Midl    SouLei Fa:    Robert COOK Mo:    Margaret WALLACE COOK,     Bir    1789    Scot    Midl    SouLei Fa:    Robert COOK ==================== On 28/03/2010 1:35 AM, John Cook wrote: <SNIP>...I am looking for information about a John Cook, who, in April, 1700, is called a " town officer " for Leith. This comes from the birth record of his son Robert, who might be my 7th great grandfather. John Cook's wife is called " Elizabeth Ross ".... ==================== http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/ *Interested in Ireland Genealogy, visit the IGP Archives.* IGP Archives Website <http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

   I am looking for information about a John Cook, who, in April, 1700, is called a " town officer " for Leith. This comes from the birth record of his son Robert, who might be my 7th great grandfather. John Cook's wife is called " Elizabeth Ross ".      

Thank you all for your assistance with Clockmakers. I have a working clock that was made by Geo. Dunn, I think about 1750-1780 that has been been in my family since at least 1810. Tracy On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:00 AM, <midlothian-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Clockmakers of Edinburgh (TRACY MCCALLUM) > 2. Re: Clockmakers of Edinburgh (archie gilbert) > 3. Re: Thomas ROBERTSON (Murray Robertson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:49:15 -0600 > From: TRACY MCCALLUM <corsair@wildblue.net> > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Clockmakers of Edinburgh > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <903e10b61003210749s45634f3dt285859860364804c@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dear Listers > > Does anyone know of a resource for Clock makers in Edinburgh or Douglas? > > I am trying to research a George Dunn, clockmaker in Douglas, and Andrew > Fairbairnof Edinburgh, both in the mid 1700s. > > With much gratitude > > Tracy McCallum > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:46:06 -0000 > From: "archie gilbert" <agillbert@tiscali.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Clockmakers of Edinburgh > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D335E14A0B2240FE86EC7F1226F4C2CD@D6QSMM2J> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Tracy, > I had a look at this website, but could not find George Dunn. > There is a reference to Andrew Fairbairn, but only because he had died and > his shop was up for sale. > > http://www.archive.org/stream/oldscottishclock00smitrich/oldscottishclock00smitrich_djvu.txt > > Archie Gilbert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TRACY MCCALLUM" <corsair@wildblue.net> > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:49 PM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Clockmakers of Edinburgh > > > > Dear Listers > > > > Does anyone know of a resource for Clock makers in Edinburgh or Douglas? > > > > I am trying to research a George Dunn, clockmaker in Douglas, and Andrew > > Fairbairnof Edinburgh, both in the mid 1700s. > > > > With much gratitude > > > > Tracy McCallum > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:22:07 +1300 > From: "Murray Robertson" <murray.robtsn@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Thomas ROBERTSON > To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> > Cc: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <D140D13F76E9474291B7AFCDD12F6705@owner3ff004449> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thanks Rhoda for your reply. My research on Thomas Masson indicates that he > probably died as an infant as did 2 of his sisters and they are all buried > in St Andrews Monastery graveyard together with other family members. It is > my thinking that if my Thomas (my great grandfather) used a false identity > to join the Sappers & Miners it could well be that of Thomas Masson. > > Thanks again, > Murray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <sct-edinburgh-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:01 PM > Subject: SCT-EDINBURGH Digest, Vol 5, Issue 30 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Thomas ROBERTSON (Murray Robertson) > > 2. Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Thomas ROBERTSON (CandROverson) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:43:39 +1300 > > From: "Murray Robertson" <murray.robtsn@xtra.co.nz> > > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Thomas ROBERTSON > > To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> > > Cc: midlothian@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <B3DA2BDFE7C04678AEC2AEB2BC41F971@owner3ff004449> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > > > > I have a Thomas ROBERTSON attested for the Royal Sappers and Miners at > > Glasgow on 28 September 1841 and using the name Thomas ROBERTSON b c1820 > > in St Andrews, Fife. We have found no proof that he was born with that > > name or that he existed prior to 1841 and he does not appear in the 1841 > > Census which were taken earlier than September. Thomas always maintained > > that he was born c1813 and while he stated he was born in St Andrews it > > could have been in Fife or Edinburgh (or anywhere else). Has anyone a > > missing ancestor who disappeared after the 1841 Census? > > > > Murray Robertson, > > New Zealand > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:59:31 -0000 > > From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> > > Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] [MIDLOTHIAN] Thomas ROBERTSON > > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com>, <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> > > Cc: SCT-FIFE@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <F4A3FEC5A17347D49D2406F8BBFDD3CA@Chris> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Hello Murray > > > > The birth index on Scotlands People has the record of only 1 Thomas > > ROBERTSON born in St Andrews between 1810 and 1825. He was born/baptised > > on > > 3 May 1818 as Thomas Masson ROBERTSON, the son of John ROBERTSON and > Agnes > > KEY. > > > > Have you discounted him? > > > > Rhoda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Murray Robertson" <murray.robtsn@xtra.co.nz> > > To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> > > Cc: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 7:43 PM > > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Thomas ROBERTSON > > > > > >> > >> I have a Thomas ROBERTSON attested for the Royal Sappers and Miners at > >> Glasgow on 28 September 1841 and using the name Thomas ROBERTSON b c1820 > >> in St Andrews, Fife. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the SCT-EDINBURGH list administrator, send an email to > > SCT-EDINBURGH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the SCT-EDINBURGH mailing list, send an email to > > SCT-EDINBURGH@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of SCT-EDINBURGH Digest, Vol 5, Issue 30 > > ******************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MIDLOTHIAN list administrator, send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MIDLOTHIAN mailing list, send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MIDLOTHIAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 26 > ***************************************** >

Thanks Rhoda for your reply. My research on Thomas Masson indicates that he probably died as an infant as did 2 of his sisters and they are all buried in St Andrews Monastery graveyard together with other family members. It is my thinking that if my Thomas (my great grandfather) used a false identity to join the Sappers & Miners it could well be that of Thomas Masson. Thanks again, Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: <sct-edinburgh-request@rootsweb.com> To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:01 PM Subject: SCT-EDINBURGH Digest, Vol 5, Issue 30 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Thomas ROBERTSON (Murray Robertson) > 2. Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Thomas ROBERTSON (CandROverson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:43:39 +1300 > From: "Murray Robertson" <murray.robtsn@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Thomas ROBERTSON > To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> > Cc: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <B3DA2BDFE7C04678AEC2AEB2BC41F971@owner3ff004449> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > I have a Thomas ROBERTSON attested for the Royal Sappers and Miners at > Glasgow on 28 September 1841 and using the name Thomas ROBERTSON b c1820 > in St Andrews, Fife. We have found no proof that he was born with that > name or that he existed prior to 1841 and he does not appear in the 1841 > Census which were taken earlier than September. Thomas always maintained > that he was born c1813 and while he stated he was born in St Andrews it > could have been in Fife or Edinburgh (or anywhere else). Has anyone a > missing ancestor who disappeared after the 1841 Census? > > Murray Robertson, > New Zealand > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:59:31 -0000 > From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] [MIDLOTHIAN] Thomas ROBERTSON > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com>, <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> > Cc: SCT-FIFE@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <F4A3FEC5A17347D49D2406F8BBFDD3CA@Chris> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Murray > > The birth index on Scotlands People has the record of only 1 Thomas > ROBERTSON born in St Andrews between 1810 and 1825. He was born/baptised > on > 3 May 1818 as Thomas Masson ROBERTSON, the son of John ROBERTSON and Agnes > KEY. > > Have you discounted him? > > Rhoda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Murray Robertson" <murray.robtsn@xtra.co.nz> > To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 7:43 PM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Thomas ROBERTSON > > >> >> I have a Thomas ROBERTSON attested for the Royal Sappers and Miners at >> Glasgow on 28 September 1841 and using the name Thomas ROBERTSON b c1820 >> in St Andrews, Fife. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCT-EDINBURGH list administrator, send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCT-EDINBURGH mailing list, send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCT-EDINBURGH Digest, Vol 5, Issue 30 > ********************************************

Tracy, I had a look at this website, but could not find George Dunn. There is a reference to Andrew Fairbairn, but only because he had died and his shop was up for sale. http://www.archive.org/stream/oldscottishclock00smitrich/oldscottishclock00smitrich_djvu.txt Archie Gilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "TRACY MCCALLUM" <corsair@wildblue.net> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Clockmakers of Edinburgh > Dear Listers > > Does anyone know of a resource for Clock makers in Edinburgh or Douglas? > > I am trying to research a George Dunn, clockmaker in Douglas, and Andrew > Fairbairnof Edinburgh, both in the mid 1700s. > > With much gratitude > > Tracy McCallum > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Listers Does anyone know of a resource for Clock makers in Edinburgh or Douglas? I am trying to research a George Dunn, clockmaker in Douglas, and Andrew Fairbairnof Edinburgh, both in the mid 1700s. With much gratitude Tracy McCallum

I have a Thomas ROBERTSON attested for the Royal Sappers and Miners at Glasgow on 28 September 1841 and using the name Thomas ROBERTSON b c1820 in St Andrews, Fife. We have found no proof that he was born with that name or that he existed prior to 1841 and he does not appear in the 1841 Census which were taken earlier than September. Thomas always maintained that he was born c1813 and while he stated he was born in St Andrews it could have been in Fife or Edinburgh (or anywhere else). Has anyone a missing ancestor who disappeared after the 1841 Census? Murray Robertson, New Zealand

Hello Murray The birth index on Scotlands People has the record of only 1 Thomas ROBERTSON born in St Andrews between 1810 and 1825. He was born/baptised on 3 May 1818 as Thomas Masson ROBERTSON, the son of John ROBERTSON and Agnes KEY. Have you discounted him? Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray Robertson" <murray.robtsn@xtra.co.nz> To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> Cc: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 7:43 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Thomas ROBERTSON > > I have a Thomas ROBERTSON attested for the Royal Sappers and Miners at > Glasgow on 28 September 1841 and using the name Thomas ROBERTSON b c1820 > in St Andrews, Fife.

Re - post sent 19 Feb requesting help on placename in Penicuik which looked like Khime. Now believe the name was Whime or Whim. The first letter looks nothing like a W, however Whim is slap bang in the middle of the area where my Veitches came from. This info was found on Rootschat under title "Interpretation od (sic) parish record Newlands 1758". Whim is called a "settlement" and is perhaps connected to an old Roman site, in the Parish of Newlands, Peeblesshire. Thanks again for the helpful replies sent. Julie

Is anyone researching the family of Robert BROWN & Isabella Forsyth CLUGGIE, who married 1912, in Stow ? Mary

Hi Bill Thanks for that information. The 1855 certs certainly gave a lot of information Thanks again Rhona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Martin" <macgiollamhartain@gmail.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Bridget Earley > Hi

Hi Bill I am interested in Bridget EARLEY. My great grandmother was Mary EARLEY who I think was born in Kilronan about 1844 and her parents were Laurence EARLEY and Mary GILHOOLY. She married James O'RORKE in Edinurgh in 1865 and eventually settled in West Calder. She had a sister Catherine EARLEY who married Michael WYNNE in 1874 and they settled in Pumpherston Regards Rhona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Martin" <macgiollamhartain@gmail.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Martin - Dignan > Hi hiflyte -- Thank you for the Martin - Dignan data. > > >. In 1855, a > Patrick Gilmartin was married to Bridget Earley in Haddington, East > Lothian County, Scotland. Because the year was 1855, the record gives > more information than in any year previous or since. It was Patrick's > second marriage. His parents were listed as James Gilmartin and > Catherine Duignan. I suspect that this Patrick was the father of the > James Martin who married Mary Dignan... the product of Parick's first > marriage to Catherine Pow.

Hi Rhona -- Well, the 1855 marriage document for Patk. Gilmartin & Bridget Earley in Haddington, ELN, lists her birthplace as County Mayo, Ireland, abt. 1834, with her parents listed as Cormac Earley and Catherine O'Donnell. She was considerably younger that Patrick, and it was her first marriage. The 1881 UK Census shows a Patrick Gilmartin born 1810 and wife Bridget in Haddington, who are probably them. Again, I suspect that Patrick was the father of the James Martin married to Mary Dignan, the product of Patrick's first marriage to Catherine Pow. Patrick & Bridget had a daughter Mary born 13 Oct 1856, at Haddington, ELN, where the parents are listed a Patrick Martine (the "e" on the end usually denoting Scottish lineage) and Bridget Earley. The family folklore is that Patrick came to America. This could be the Patrick Martine & wife Bridget who appear in Galena, Jo Daviess County, Illinois in the 1860 US Census... who may have returned to Scotland later, reverting back to using Gilmartin by the 1881 UK Census. Bridget may be a relative to your Earleys -- hard to say. Bill

Hi hiflyte -- Thank you for the Martin - Dignan data. Bridgidam Martin is among my known relatives, the daughter of James Martin & Mary Dignan. In the 1844 Irish marriage record for the parents, James appears with the surname variant of Kilmartin. In that 1845 baptismal record cited for Bridget, the surname Martin is used, and in the 1850 baptismal record for the second daughter, Catherine, they use Gilmartin. These events all took place in Ardcarne Parish, up in northern County Roscommon, Ireland. In the Scottish death record for Mary Martin (nee Dignan), her parents are listed as Thomas Dignan and Bridget McLoughlin -- and this couple were known to have lived in Seltannaveeny townland, Kilronan Parish, Co. Roscommon, where two of Mary's siblings were born. That townland is right on the border with Co. Leitrim. James Martin's death record in Scotland lists his parents as Patrick Martin and Catherine Pow. In 1855, a Patrick Gilmartin was married to Bridget Earley in Haddington, East Lothian County, Scotland. Because the year was 1855, the record gives more information than in any year previous or since. It was Patrick's second marriage. His parents were listed as James Gilmartin and Catherine Duignan. I suspect that this Patrick was the father of the James Martin who married Mary Dignan... the product of Parick's first marriage to Catherine Pow. If that was the case, Mary Dignan may have been a cousin of some kind to James, -- if James' father was this Patrick... the son of a James Gilmartin and Catherine Duignan. Apparently, the Martin/Kilmartin/Gilmartin men found the Dignan/Duignan women irresistible. Several Martin and Dignan families of Irish lineage settled in East Lothian County, working the farms and tending to the cattle. They were probably seasonal laborers that made their stay permanent in Scotland during and after the Famine back home. There were well-established Martine families in East Lothian County, too, spelled with an "e" on the end, denoting Scottish lineage. Some of these Martine families did have some ties to Ireland, with the birth of a child in Co. Sligo in one case, and in another case there was a will (as in last will and testament) with a reference to Lissadell House in Co. Sligo. Patrick Gilmartin and Bridget Earley had a daughter, Mary, born in Haddington, and the surname used in the record was Martine... perhaps a simple mistake in spelling by the Parish Priest... or an attempt on the part of the parents to assimilate better. Thanks again, Bill