Tammy My family also comes from Gilmerton, they are Twiss. If you come across them in your investigations I would be interested. Gerry McGregor "As long as there are leaves in the forest, and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, Shall flourish forever." -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Mitchell Sent: 09 June 2010 16:25 To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting & Trial - Robert Mitchell & Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property Rhoda, Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you sure helped with that! I have requested the files from NAS! I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. I'm amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my Robert Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more generations. If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd be happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. Thank you Tammy On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: Hello Tammy A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a number of sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". The mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived in Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the village owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton family. I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to Robert CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded firearms, under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON "for the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref JC26/1822/24. He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is a footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert Charleton, 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute Book series E, as follows: "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, Address: Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some reason a number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that George THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has happened to the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But when I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them the various AD/ and JC/ references above. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting & Trial - Robert Mitchell & Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property Hi Listers, I have found a newspaper clipping from: The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a zoom of 300 I believe) It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed but John Anderson was badly injured. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gerry, I am thinking that you have already tried this site, but the following is available at www.familysearch.org: Results for: Twiss, Scotland, British Isles Exact Spelling: Off [refine search] [Print] Prepare selected records for download International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 12 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. HELEN TWISS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 12 JUL 1849 2. HELEN TWISS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 23 JUL 1849 Forfar, Angus, Scotland 3. MATTHEW TWISH - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 23 FEB 1859 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 4. MARY ANN TWISH - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 12 JUN 1855 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 5. ELIZABETH TWISS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 02 MAY 1861 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 6. JOHN TWISH - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 08 JUL 1857 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 7. MARGARET TWISS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 21 JAN 1863 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 8. MARGARET TWISS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 05 APR 1864 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 9. WILLIAM TWISSE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 01 MAR 1858 Kinfauns, Perth, Scotland 10. THOMAS HENRY TWISSE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 29 MAY 1855 Kinfauns, Perth, Scotland 11. FRANCES TWISS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 17 MAY 1850 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland 12. Dorcas Ann Twiss - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 04 DEC 1797 Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland Here's hoping that there is something "new" here for you :o) Mary --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Tammy Mitchell <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> wrote: From: Tammy Mitchell <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 3:51 PM Hey Gerry, I did a quick search at scotlands ppl, you sure have your work cut out for you! The only 2 Twiss births listed: 4     17/05/1850     TWISS     FRANCES     JOSEPH TWISS/ELISABETH PEMBLETON FR3163         FALKIRK     /STIRLING     479/ 0110 0464 5     23/07/1849     TWISS     HELEN     SAMUEL TWISS/HELEN TAYLOR         FORFAR /ANGUS     288/ 0060 0417 after that poor result, I was afraid to look up any more! Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Tammy On 09/06/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry McGregor wrote: > Tammy > > My family also comes from Gilmerton, they are Twiss. If you come across them > in your investigations I would be interested. > > Gerry McGregor > > "As long as there are leaves in the forest, > and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, > Shall flourish forever." > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Mitchell > Sent: 09 June 2010 16:25 > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting&  Trial - Robert Mitchell& > Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property > > >     Rhoda, >     Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. >     Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you sure >     helped with that! >     I have requested the files from NAS! >     I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. I'm >     amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my Robert >     Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more > generations. >     If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd be >     happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. >     Thank you >     Tammy >     On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: > > Hello Tammy > > A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a number of > > sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning > 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard".  The > > mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived in > Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the village > owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton > family. > > I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) > catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to Robert > CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded firearms, > under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial > itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, > Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. > > I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON "for > the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at > public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton".  Ref JC26/1822/24. > He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'.  There is a > footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert Charleton, > 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. > > I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute Book > > series E, as follows: > > "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, Address: > Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as > witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 > merks Scots > William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: Gilmerton, > Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date > > of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots > John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. Entry > relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May > > 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", > > So it seems the main trial date was  28 May 1821 and that for some reason a > number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that George > THOMSON was not tried until a year later.  I don't know what has happened to > > the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But when > > I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in > 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition > papers.  I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them the > various AD/ and JC/ references above. > > > Rhoda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" > [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" > [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting&  Trial - Robert Mitchell& > Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property > > > > > Hi Listers, > > I have found a newspaper clipping from: > The Edinburgh Advertiser  July 10 1821. > > A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page > or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask > the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in > 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. > The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a > zoom of 300 I believe) > > It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding > a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s > property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed > but John Anderson was badly injured. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo > tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the >   body of the message > > References > >     1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >     2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com >     3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk >     4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >     5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >    ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey Gerry, I did a quick search at scotlands ppl, you sure have your work cut out for you! The only 2 Twiss births listed: 4 17/05/1850 TWISS FRANCES JOSEPH TWISS/ELISABETH PEMBLETON FR3163 FALKIRK /STIRLING 479/ 0110 0464 5 23/07/1849 TWISS HELEN SAMUEL TWISS/HELEN TAYLOR FORFAR /ANGUS 288/ 0060 0417 after that poor result, I was afraid to look up any more! Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Tammy On 09/06/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry McGregor wrote: > Tammy > > My family also comes from Gilmerton, they are Twiss. If you come across them > in your investigations I would be interested. > > Gerry McGregor > > "As long as there are leaves in the forest, > and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, > Shall flourish forever." > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Mitchell > Sent: 09 June 2010 16:25 > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& > Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property > > > Rhoda, > Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. > Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you sure > helped with that! > I have requested the files from NAS! > I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. I'm > amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my Robert > Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more > generations. > If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd be > happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. > Thank you > Tammy > On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: > > Hello Tammy > > A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a number of > > sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning > 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". The > > mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived in > Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the village > owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton > family. > > I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) > catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to Robert > CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded firearms, > under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial > itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, > Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. > > I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON "for > the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at > public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref JC26/1822/24. > He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is a > footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert Charleton, > 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. > > I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute Book > > series E, as follows: > > "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, Address: > Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as > witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 > merks Scots > William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: Gilmerton, > Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date > > of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots > John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. Entry > relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May > > 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", > > So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some reason a > number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that George > THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has happened to > > the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But when > > I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in > 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition > papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them the > various AD/ and JC/ references above. > > > Rhoda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" > [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" > [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& > Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property > > > > > Hi Listers, > > I have found a newspaper clipping from: > The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. > > A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page > or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask > the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in > 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. > The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a > zoom of 300 I believe) > > It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding > a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s > property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed > but John Anderson was badly injured. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo > tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > body of the message > > References > > 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca > 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com > 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk > 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca > 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Just to try to explore possibilities further, IF our Robert Mitchell, who lived in Gilmerton, traveled for business as a cattle broker, and IF he died in another area of Scotland, might we find the death record somewhere other than in the Midlothian parishes?  Would they have carried his remains back to Liberton parish for burial, and therefore this is the only place we would find the records?  We have exhausted the death records at scotlandspeople for Robert Mitchell in Midlothian for the timeframe in which we believed he died; i.e., after 1819, when his youngest child was conceived, and before 1834 when his daughter married, and her marriage record says her father was deceased.  There appears to be no will, but I think that most/many wrote their wills upon their deathbed, and if he died suddenly, then that might explain the absence of a will.  I have checked the available Edinburgh Advertisor newspapers available on ancestry.com, and I have not found a notice of the selling of an estate, which often followed the death of someone.  We are now up to considering that maybe he went to America to either visit his son John, or maybe he even preceded John to America, in search of a cattle market, and then died here.  The records for the timeframe we are considering are virtually nonexistent in America. We welcome any and all ideas/suggestions.  We were hoping that with a death record, we might find a birth year and be able to determine family of origin. Mary Mitchell Guler (Tammy's cousin and co-researcher of Mitchells) Cape Coral, FL USA --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Tammy Mitchell <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> wrote: From: Tammy Mitchell <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton: Robert Mitchell To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 3:25 PM Hi, thank you for your help. Robert, who's will you speak. I have a copy of the will - if anyone wants it, I'll send it on. That Robert was the Deacon of Fleshers. He married Ann Porteous, they had children, but the only clue I can get out of the will is that his 'oldest' son was Alexander.  He and his brother Hugh, were both in that company together and there may have been a John too, but I can't tell if that is a son or brother. I can find Alexander's birth record, but no others for this couple. So sad to say, I've followed that trail, and that Robert is not mine. He is however in my tree as a relative. His parents were Hugh Mitchell and Marion Grierson. He had a brother named Hugh, who married Jean Weir, from my research, I've been able to figure to an almost 99% confirmation, that Jean Weir, was Elisabeth Weir's older sister. (Elizabeth who married my Robert Mitchell cattle dealer) The Weir girls father was deceased by 1808, he had been a spirit dealer in Gilmerton. So there is definitely connection there. and could be more.. My Robert and Elizabeth Weir, had 4 sons and 2 daughters. I've only been able to follow one of their sons, who was Hugh Mitchell born in Gilmerton in 1816, he married Margaret MacDonald, and became a flesher/butcher master. He is my ancestor. Oh, and Robert's oldest son John Mitchell, who we believe moved on to the USA and married a woman named Ann Strober (Stroder) - and has descendants there. (New York, New Jersey area) - Descendants of John's have participated in the DNA research - with no close match to a Mitchell yet in the DNA project so far. I do thank you for your interest and support with researching my Robert Mitchell. His parentage has been a huge history for about 5 years. :( I think some records from Gilmerton are missing at scppl, because I can't seem to get anything reasonable going back. Hard with a name like Robert. Any further info, if you find it, will be great to receive. Thanks Tammy Partial Index of mitchells (and children and spouses) can be found at http://www.tammymitchell.com - maybe that will assist others. I have bought a lot of records from this area, these surnames, and I'm willing to share. On 09/06/2010 11:58 AM, CandROverson wrote: > Hello again, Tammy > > Gilmerton is about 5 miles from the centre of Edinburgh.  Whilst it is now a > suburb of Edinburgh, in the 18th and 19th centuries it would have been one > of a number of small communities outside the Edinburgh boundaries.  As a > farmer near Gilmerton I imagine your Robert would have attended a church > nearer to the village.  His wife-to-be may have lived in Edinburgh which is > why they married at New Greyfriars. > > There are 2 entries for a Robert Mitchell, Flesher in Edinburgh, in the > Wills and Testaments index on Scotlands People. > One dated 28/9/1826 (SC70/1/35), Edinburgh Sheriff Court Inventories, and > one dated 12/10/1826, Edinburgh Commissary Court  (CC8/8/151). A Flesher > being a person who sold meat, it is possible that it could be your Robert. > > Rhoda > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >    ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Tammy A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a number of sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". The mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived in Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the village owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton family. I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to Robert CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded firearms, under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON "for the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref JC26/1822/24. He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is a footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert Charleton, 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute Book series E, as follows: "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, Address: Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some reason a number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that George THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has happened to the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But when I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them the various AD/ and JC/ references above. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" <EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting & Trial - Robert Mitchell & Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property > Hi Listers, > > I have found a newspaper clipping from: > The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. > > A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page > or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask > the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in > 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. > The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a > zoom of 300 I believe) > > It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding > a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s > property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed > but John Anderson was badly injured. > >

Hi, thank you for your help. Robert, who's will you speak. I have a copy of the will - if anyone wants it, I'll send it on. That Robert was the Deacon of Fleshers. He married Ann Porteous, they had children, but the only clue I can get out of the will is that his 'oldest' son was Alexander. He and his brother Hugh, were both in that company together and there may have been a John too, but I can't tell if that is a son or brother. I can find Alexander's birth record, but no others for this couple. So sad to say, I've followed that trail, and that Robert is not mine. He is however in my tree as a relative. His parents were Hugh Mitchell and Marion Grierson. He had a brother named Hugh, who married Jean Weir, from my research, I've been able to figure to an almost 99% confirmation, that Jean Weir, was Elisabeth Weir's older sister. (Elizabeth who married my Robert Mitchell cattle dealer) The Weir girls father was deceased by 1808, he had been a spirit dealer in Gilmerton. So there is definitely connection there. and could be more.. My Robert and Elizabeth Weir, had 4 sons and 2 daughters. I've only been able to follow one of their sons, who was Hugh Mitchell born in Gilmerton in 1816, he married Margaret MacDonald, and became a flesher/butcher master. He is my ancestor. Oh, and Robert's oldest son John Mitchell, who we believe moved on to the USA and married a woman named Ann Strober (Stroder) - and has descendants there. (New York, New Jersey area) - Descendants of John's have participated in the DNA research - with no close match to a Mitchell yet in the DNA project so far. I do thank you for your interest and support with researching my Robert Mitchell. His parentage has been a huge history for about 5 years. :( I think some records from Gilmerton are missing at scppl, because I can't seem to get anything reasonable going back. Hard with a name like Robert. Any further info, if you find it, will be great to receive. Thanks Tammy Partial Index of mitchells (and children and spouses) can be found at http://www.tammymitchell.com - maybe that will assist others. I have bought a lot of records from this area, these surnames, and I'm willing to share. On 09/06/2010 11:58 AM, CandROverson wrote: > Hello again, Tammy > > Gilmerton is about 5 miles from the centre of Edinburgh. Whilst it is now a > suburb of Edinburgh, in the 18th and 19th centuries it would have been one > of a number of small communities outside the Edinburgh boundaries. As a > farmer near Gilmerton I imagine your Robert would have attended a church > nearer to the village. His wife-to-be may have lived in Edinburgh which is > why they married at New Greyfriars. > > There are 2 entries for a Robert Mitchell, Flesher in Edinburgh, in the > Wills and Testaments index on Scotlands People. > One dated 28/9/1826 (SC70/1/35), Edinburgh Sheriff Court Inventories, and > one dated 12/10/1826, Edinburgh Commissary Court (CC8/8/151). A Flesher > being a person who sold meat, it is possible that it could be your Robert. > > Rhoda > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Tammy NAS online info re Crime and Criminals is at http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/crime.asp which may help. good luck!

Opps, I meant to sent below to Rhoda only, and then address everyone on the list who assisted with my request. Thank you all! The information you passed along is priceless to me. Would anyone know, about tax rolls, or any directory listing peoples names with their addresses, for Gilmerton between 1800-1839? My Robert Mitchell (was a farmer and cattle dealer in Gilmerton), had a daughter named Jean (Jane) who in 1839 married Mr. Daniel Rintoul Sutherland (Stationer). At the time of the marriage, Jean was residing at 10 South College Street, Edinburgh. Her father Robert was listed as deceased. -I've searched scppl constantly to no-end and have never been able to find a record for Robert's Death, (now I know he was alive in 1823, because I found an ad he posted in The Edinburgh Adviser paper, for selling Steer/Beef at market on High Street). (But I've only searched in Midlothian for his death record) -Nor have I been able to locate a will for him, which seems strange, because I would have thought he owned his land, or at least had assets/invoices/ etc to clear up upon his death. I know he did business with a man named Thomas Taylor, maybe Thomas was a partner with him in bringing the Steer to auction/market. He married his wife, Elizabeth Weir in 1808 at New Greyfriars - would this be the usual church that people who lived in Gilmerton attended? I know his wife died in 1852 at age 71 while living at 171 Causeway Side. So as far as I can tell, Robert didn't leave Scotland. Question: If he were to die, in Glasgow or another location- while away from home, would his death record show up in the place he died, rather then the place he lived? Thanks for all your help, again - priceless! Tammy Mitchell BC, Canada On 09/06/2010 8:24 AM, Tammy Mitchell wrote: > Rhoda, > Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. > Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you sure > helped with that! > I have requested the files from NAS! > I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. I'm > amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my Robert > Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more generations. > If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd be > happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. > Thank you > Tammy > On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: > > Hello Tammy > > A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a number of > sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning > 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". The > mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived in > Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the village > owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton > family. > > I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) > catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to Robert > CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded firearms, > under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial > itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, > Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. > > I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON "for > the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at > public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref JC26/1822/24. > He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is a > footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert Charleton, > 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. > > I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute Book > series E, as follows: > > "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, Address: > Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as > witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 > merks Scots > William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: Gilmerton, > Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date > of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots > John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. Entry > relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May > 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", > > So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some reason a > number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that George > THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has happened to > the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But when > I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in > 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition > papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them the > various AD/ and JC/ references above. > > > Rhoda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" > [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" > [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& > Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property > > > > > Hi Listers, > > I have found a newspaper clipping from: > The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. > > A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page > or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask > the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in > 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. > The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a > zoom of 300 I believe) > > It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding > a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s > property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed > but John Anderson was badly injured. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo > tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > References > > 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca > 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com > 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk > 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca > 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Rhoda, Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you sure helped with that! I have requested the files from NAS! I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. I'm amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my Robert Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more generations. If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd be happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. Thank you Tammy On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: Hello Tammy A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a number of sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". The mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived in Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the village owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton family. I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to Robert CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded firearms, under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON "for the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref JC26/1822/24. He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is a footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert Charleton, 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute Book series E, as follows: "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, Address: Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some reason a number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that George THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has happened to the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But when I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them the various AD/ and JC/ references above. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting & Trial - Robert Mitchell & Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property Hi Listers, I have found a newspaper clipping from: The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a zoom of 300 I believe) It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed but John Anderson was badly injured. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com

Tammy The trial papers you require may be stored at West Register House, Charlotte Square, Edinburgh - contact - enquiries@nas.gov.uk Regards Patricia. ________________________________ From: Tammy Mitchell <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com; Edinburgh Room <EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; Tammy Mitchell <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> Sent: Wed, 9 June, 2010 7:22:45 Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting & Trial - Robert Mitchell & Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property Hi Listers, I have found a newspaper clipping from: The Edinburgh Advertiser  July 10 1821. A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a zoom of 300 I believe) It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed but John Anderson was badly injured. 2 questions: -I would like to know where I could get a copy of the arrest information or evidence file for the shooting. -I would like to know where I might get a transcript of the court proceedings, as apparently my ancestors were witnesses at the hearing, and I find that an interesting glimpse into their lives. Jury trial. Dr. Stevenson was called to attend John Anderson. The lawyers seem to be mentioned as well. Mr. Dickson was the lawyer for the prisoner. http://www.tammymitchell.com/surnames/robertmitchell-ElisabethWeirShootingAtHome1821.pdf Here are the names of the people involved: (and a few other clues) - Robert Charlton, found guilty and sentenced to "transportation for 7 years". - John Anderson, victim (attended school at Gilmerton) was returning from. - Thomas Armour, was with John Anderson - George Knox was with John Anderson also. - William Tait, (Gilmerton) apparent neighbour of Mr. Robert Mitchell (William was returning from Dalkeith Market on 18 Jan 1821, when at Melville Castle Gate, he saw 2 men with guns) - A person, surname Murray, came up to see what was going on. - Thomas Bain came out of his house (Gilmerton) ... and said "the black-guards ought to be stoned out of town" - One of the men with guns was dressed as a 'game-keeper'. - Mrs. Elizabeth Mitchell (in my tree, her maiden name Elizabeth Weir) - said the men had 3-4 gills at her home that nite, one of the men loaded a gun while at her house, but not the prisoner. - Dr. Stevenson, attended John Anderson - A man with the surname Thomson, joined John Anderson prior to the shooting. - Mr. Dickson addressed the Jury for the prisoner. - Lord Gillies (would this be the Judge, or Crown Lawyer?) said the crime was of most serious nature. - Lord Succoth (?) - Lord Justice Clerk (maybe this was the Judge) - Counsel for the Crown -the Lord Advocate and J.A. Maconochie, Esq; Adam Rolland, Esq; W.S. Agent, for the prisoner. J.W.Dickson and Mark Napier, Esq's; Peter Cam?ill Esq. S.S.C. Agent. Anyone know who the Black-Guards were? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (some) Other names on this page, no connection to article: DEATHS: - At Dublin, Lieut Colonel John Campbell of the 2d Royal Veteran Battalion. - At Coldblow, county of Dublin, Denis George, Esq late, a Baron of his Magesty's court... - At Kilbryde Castle, 21st June, Susan Jane, the only daughter, and on the 3rd July. Colin the infant son of Sire Alex Campbell, Bart. - At Scarva House, Downshire, Ireland 2 July, Eliza Amelia, only daughter of the late Andrew Macfarlane, Esq. of Donavourd, Perthshire. - 30th June in his 78th year, James Hamilton, sen. Esq of Mavisbank. - At Portobello, 30 Jun William Maxwell Morrison, Esq. Advocate - Cannan 5th William Wilson Esq. W. S. (this William Wilson could be in my tree too) - At Viewfeild Cottage, near Inverness on 25 June, John Noble, Esq of India House, London. - At Forfar, on the 26th June Peter Ranken Esq, Sheriff-Substitute of Forfarshire. MARRIAGES & BIRTHS  are on the page too.... Thanks for your help Tammy Mitchell BC, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List West Register House would be the correct site to contact, I have just received a transcript of a court case from them that had 18 printed pages and six handwritten pages of a case of Thomas Kinnaird of Carrubbers Close, Edinburgh, vs Jacobina Kinnaird or Thomson, of East Calder. The case was over the Estate of Alexander Redpath , Bookseller of High Street ,Edinburgh. The case gives the generation's of the Redpath Family going back to about 1725. I ordered it from the USA and including postage it cost 20 pounds. I think it well worth it. Bob -------------------------------------------------- From: "Patricia Player" <patriciaplayer@ymail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:06 AM To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting & Trial - Robert Mitchell &Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property > Tammy > > The trial papers you require may be stored at West Register House, > Charlotte Square, Edinburgh - contact - enquiries@nas.gov.uk > > Regards > Patricia. > > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, I have found a newspaper clipping from: The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a zoom of 300 I believe) It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed but John Anderson was badly injured. 2 questions: -I would like to know where I could get a copy of the arrest information or evidence file for the shooting. -I would like to know where I might get a transcript of the court proceedings, as apparently my ancestors were witnesses at the hearing, and I find that an interesting glimpse into their lives. Jury trial. Dr. Stevenson was called to attend John Anderson. The lawyers seem to be mentioned as well. Mr. Dickson was the lawyer for the prisoner. http://www.tammymitchell.com/surnames/robertmitchell-ElisabethWeirShootingAtHome1821.pdf Here are the names of the people involved: (and a few other clues) - Robert Charlton, found guilty and sentenced to "transportation for 7 years". - John Anderson, victim (attended school at Gilmerton) was returning from. - Thomas Armour, was with John Anderson - George Knox was with John Anderson also. - William Tait, (Gilmerton) apparent neighbour of Mr. Robert Mitchell (William was returning from Dalkeith Market on 18 Jan 1821, when at Melville Castle Gate, he saw 2 men with guns) - A person, surname Murray, came up to see what was going on. - Thomas Bain came out of his house (Gilmerton) ... and said "the black-guards ought to be stoned out of town" - One of the men with guns was dressed as a 'game-keeper'. - Mrs. Elizabeth Mitchell (in my tree, her maiden name Elizabeth Weir) - said the men had 3-4 gills at her home that nite, one of the men loaded a gun while at her house, but not the prisoner. - Dr. Stevenson, attended John Anderson - A man with the surname Thomson, joined John Anderson prior to the shooting. - Mr. Dickson addressed the Jury for the prisoner. - Lord Gillies (would this be the Judge, or Crown Lawyer?) said the crime was of most serious nature. - Lord Succoth (?) - Lord Justice Clerk (maybe this was the Judge) - Counsel for the Crown -the Lord Advocate and J.A. Maconochie, Esq; Adam Rolland, Esq; W.S. Agent, for the prisoner. J.W.Dickson and Mark Napier, Esq's; Peter Cam?ill Esq. S.S.C. Agent. Anyone know who the Black-Guards were? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (some) Other names on this page, no connection to article: DEATHS: - At Dublin, Lieut Colonel John Campbell of the 2d Royal Veteran Battalion. - At Coldblow, county of Dublin, Denis George, Esq late, a Baron of his Magesty's court... - At Kilbryde Castle, 21st June, Susan Jane, the only daughter, and on the 3rd July. Colin the infant son of Sire Alex Campbell, Bart. - At Scarva House, Downshire, Ireland 2 July, Eliza Amelia, only daughter of the late Andrew Macfarlane, Esq. of Donavourd, Perthshire. - 30th June in his 78th year, James Hamilton, sen. Esq of Mavisbank. - At Portobello, 30 Jun William Maxwell Morrison, Esq. Advocate - Cannan 5th William Wilson Esq. W. S. (this William Wilson could be in my tree too) - At Viewfeild Cottage, near Inverness on 25 June, John Noble, Esq of India House, London. - At Forfar, on the 26th June Peter Ranken Esq, Sheriff-Substitute of Forfarshire. MARRIAGES & BIRTHS are on the page too.... Thanks for your help Tammy Mitchell BC, Canada

Hi Listers, I have found a newspaper clipping from: The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a zoom of 300 I believe) It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed but John Anderson was badly injured. 2 questions: -I would like to know where I could get a copy of the arrest information or evidence file for the shooting. -I would like to know where I might get a transcript of the court proceedings, as apparently my ancestors were witnesses at the hearing, and I find that an interesting glimpse into their lives. Jury trial. Dr. Stevenson was called to attend John Anderson. The lawyers seem to be mentioned as well. Mr. Dickson was the lawyer for the prisoner. http://www.tammymitchell.com/surnames/robertmitchell-ElisabethWeirShootingAtHome1821.pdf Here are the names of the people involved: (and a few other clues) - Robert Charlton, found guilty and sentenced to "transportation for 7 years". - John Anderson, victim (attended school at Gilmerton) was returning from. - Thomas Armour, was with John Anderson - George Knox was with John Anderson also. - William Tait, (Gilmerton) apparent neighbour of Mr. Robert Mitchell (William was returning from Dalkeith Market on 18 Jan 1821, when at Melville Castle Gate, he saw 2 men with guns) - A person, surname Murray, came up to see what was going on. - Thomas Bain came out of his house (Gilmerton) ... and said "the black-guards ought to be stoned out of town" - One of the men with guns was dressed as a 'game-keeper'. - Mrs. Elizabeth Mitchell (in my tree, her maiden name Elizabeth Weir) - said the men had 3-4 gills at her home that nite, one of the men loaded a gun while at her house, but not the prisoner. - Dr. Stevenson, attended John Anderson - A man with the surname Thomson, joined John Anderson prior to the shooting. - Mr. Dickson addressed the Jury for the prisoner. - Lord Gillies (would this be the Judge, or Crown Lawyer?) said the crime was of most serious nature. - Lord Succoth (?) - Lord Justice Clerk (maybe this was the Judge) - Counsel for the Crown -the Lord Advocate and J.A. Maconochie, Esq; Adam Rolland, Esq; W.S. Agent, for the prisoner. J.W.Dickson and Mark Napier, Esq's; Peter Cam?ill Esq. S.S.C. Agent. Anyone know who the Black-Guards were? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (some) Other names on this page, no connection to article: DEATHS: - At Dublin, Lieut Colonel John Campbell of the 2d Royal Veteran Battalion. - At Coldblow, county of Dublin, Denis George, Esq late, a Baron of his Magesty's court... - At Kilbryde Castle, 21st June, Susan Jane, the only daughter, and on the 3rd July. Colin the infant son of Sire Alex Campbell, Bart. - At Scarva House, Downshire, Ireland 2 July, Eliza Amelia, only daughter of the late Andrew Macfarlane, Esq. of Donavourd, Perthshire. - 30th June in his 78th year, James Hamilton, sen. Esq of Mavisbank. - At Portobello, 30 Jun William Maxwell Morrison, Esq. Advocate - Cannan 5th William Wilson Esq. W. S. (this William Wilson could be in my tree too) - At Viewfeild Cottage, near Inverness on 25 June, John Noble, Esq of India House, London. - At Forfar, on the 26th June Peter Ranken Esq, Sheriff-Substitute of Forfarshire. MARRIAGES & BIRTHS are on the page too.... Thanks for your help Tammy Mitchell BC, Canada

I'm looking for information on Robert Cambell Forbes WHITELAW or WHITLOW born about 1860 in Scottland. He and his wife, Mary Ann CANNON, had a daughter, Elizabeth Adeline, born in Belfast,Antrim Ireland .on January 1890. I have a possible connection to a William WHITLAW and Christina CAMBELL that could be Robert WHITLAWS parents. If you have any information that confirms this information please respond. Thanks, Maureen

Hello List. I am seeking information on Albert Gibson and Annie Howe who married on the 27th of Jan 1950 in Edinburgh. Any information on this couple will be welcomed. Thank you in Advance Bob

Thank you....I didn't have the earlier Eupham Ronald, and since there is a Rachel amongst the children of Robert Parker and Euphemia Ronald, there may indeed be a connection. --- On Sun, 5/9/10, hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> wrote: From: hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Parker, Ronald To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 9:54 AM Some entries that may assist you. I have no connection to these surnames. Bob Cdn -------------------- Robert Parker births - in the time frame PARKER Robert Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 29 Jul 1797 Recorded in: Larbert Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Joseph PARKER Mother: Agnes DUNLOP Source: FHL Film 1041953 Dates: 1723 - 1855 PARKER Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 1 Apr 1805 Christening Date: 7 Apr 1805 Recorded in: Larbert Stirlingshire Scotland Father: John PARKER Mother: Kathrine PRIMROSE Source: FHL Film 1041953 Dates: 1723 - 1855 PARKER Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 26 Dec 1809 Christening Date: 29 Dec 1809 Recorded in: Larbert Stirlingshire Scotland Father: John PARKER Mother: Catherine PRIMROSE Source: FHL Film 1041953 Dates: 1723 - 1855 ------------ Parker/Ronald children: PARKER Margaret Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 9 Jul 1820 Christening Date: 23 Jul 1820 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 304668 Dates: 1820 - 1820 PARKER Joseph Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 26 May 1822 Christening Date: 9 Jun 1822 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 304668 Dates: 1783 - 1839 PARKER John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 8 Apr 1824 Christening Date: 25 Apr 1824 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 1041945 Dates: 1824 - 1824 PARKER Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 22 Feb 1826 Christening Date: 5 Mar 1826 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 1041945 Dates: 1783 - 1839 PARKER Agnes Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 18 Apr 1828 Christening Date: 27 Apr 1828 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 1041945 Dates: 1827 - 1828 PARKER Mary Tennent Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 23 Oct 1837 Christening Date: 21 Jan 1838 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 304668 Dates: 1834 - 1846 PARKER Mary Tennent Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 23 Oct 1838 Birthplace:  Falkirk Stirling Scotland Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 1041946 Dates: 1834 - 1846 PARKER Robina Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 23 Oct 1840 Christening Date: 15 Nov 1840 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 304669 Dates: 1834 - 1846 ----------- Euphem birth - not yours to early but could be mother or such. RONALD, Eupham Christening Gender:    Female Christening Date:    24 Apr 1763 Recorded in:    Bothkennar, Stirlingshire, Scotland Father:    Michael RONALD Mother:    Rachel SPENCE Source:    FHL Film 1041972 Dates:    1722 - 1854 ============ On 09/05/2010 12:21 AM, Mary Guler wrote: > I am researching my Parker line from Falkirk.....I know this is the Midlothian listserv, but my question is generic.  I have Euphemia Ronald marrying Robert Parker in both Larbert and Falkirk, Stirling, in 1819.  I find them in the 1841 census for Falkirk.  Euphemia was born about 1801; however, I can't find a birth for her.  Robert's parish was Larbert, and Euphemia's parish was Falkirk.  Based on the names of their children, I have found appropriate named parents for Euphemia, but no baptismal record.  The logical parents are John Ronald and Margaret Turnbull. >    ================= *Interested in Irish Genealogy :* Visit Bob's Genealogy Website <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ehiflyte/> Visit IGPA's Website <http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some entries that may assist you. I have no connection to these surnames. Bob Cdn -------------------- Robert Parker births - in the time frame PARKER Robert Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 29 Jul 1797 Recorded in: Larbert Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Joseph PARKER Mother: Agnes DUNLOP Source: FHL Film 1041953 Dates: 1723 - 1855 PARKER Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 1 Apr 1805 Christening Date: 7 Apr 1805 Recorded in: Larbert Stirlingshire Scotland Father: John PARKER Mother: Kathrine PRIMROSE Source: FHL Film 1041953 Dates: 1723 - 1855 PARKER Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 26 Dec 1809 Christening Date: 29 Dec 1809 Recorded in: Larbert Stirlingshire Scotland Father: John PARKER Mother: Catherine PRIMROSE Source: FHL Film 1041953 Dates: 1723 - 1855 ------------ Parker/Ronald children: PARKER Margaret Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 9 Jul 1820 Christening Date: 23 Jul 1820 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 304668 Dates: 1820 - 1820 PARKER Joseph Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 26 May 1822 Christening Date: 9 Jun 1822 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 304668 Dates: 1783 - 1839 PARKER John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 8 Apr 1824 Christening Date: 25 Apr 1824 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 1041945 Dates: 1824 - 1824 PARKER Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 22 Feb 1826 Christening Date: 5 Mar 1826 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 1041945 Dates: 1783 - 1839 PARKER Agnes Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 18 Apr 1828 Christening Date: 27 Apr 1828 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 1041945 Dates: 1827 - 1828 PARKER Mary Tennent Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 23 Oct 1837 Christening Date: 21 Jan 1838 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 304668 Dates: 1834 - 1846 PARKER Mary Tennent Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 23 Oct 1838 Birthplace: Falkirk Stirling Scotland Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 1041946 Dates: 1834 - 1846 PARKER Robina Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 23 Oct 1840 Christening Date: 15 Nov 1840 Recorded in: Falkirk Stirlingshire Scotland Father: Robert PARKER Mother: Euphemia RONALD Source: FHL Film 304669 Dates: 1834 - 1846 ----------- Euphem birth - not yours to early but could be mother or such. RONALD, Eupham Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 24 Apr 1763 Recorded in: Bothkennar, Stirlingshire, Scotland Father: Michael RONALD Mother: Rachel SPENCE Source: FHL Film 1041972 Dates: 1722 - 1854 ============ On 09/05/2010 12:21 AM, Mary Guler wrote: > I am researching my Parker line from Falkirk.....I know this is the Midlothian listserv, but my question is generic. I have Euphemia Ronald marrying Robert Parker in both Larbert and Falkirk, Stirling, in 1819. I find them in the 1841 census for Falkirk. Euphemia was born about 1801; however, I can't find a birth for her. Robert's parish was Larbert, and Euphemia's parish was Falkirk. Based on the names of their children, I have found appropriate named parents for Euphemia, but no baptismal record. The logical parents are John Ronald and Margaret Turnbull. > ================= *Interested in Irish Genealogy :* Visit Bob's Genealogy Website <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ehiflyte/> Visit IGPA's Website <http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/>

I am researching my Parker line from Falkirk.....I know this is the Midlothian listserv, but my question is generic.  I have Euphemia Ronald marrying Robert Parker in both Larbert and Falkirk, Stirling, in 1819.  I find them in the 1841 census for Falkirk.  Euphemia was born about 1801; however, I can't find a birth for her.  Robert's parish was Larbert, and Euphemia's parish was Falkirk.  Based on the names of their children, I have found appropriate named parents for Euphemia, but no baptismal record.  The logical parents are John Ronald and Margaret Turnbull. The marriage records do not give parental information.  I can't find a death record in Scotland for her either.  I have found a person that I think is her, in the 1871 and 1881 censuses for England, but don't see a death record in the BMD records either. If she had been born prematurely or if her health were fragile at birth, is it possible that she may have been christened at home, rather than in a church? I have found some birth records listed in Scotlandspeople for this couple that have no child's name listed, and are available only by ordering them.  Can anyone tell me if I am likely to find concrete information on those records IF I do purchase them?  I understand that they will each cost 10 euros, which is alot to pay if there is no info on them, so I'd like to be prepared for what, if anything, they might contain.  Why wouldn't they be available in the customary way? Thanks in advance for suggestions.  I have tried alternative spellings of the name, and I have considered the possibility that Euphemia was the middle name of one of the girls otherwise named. Mary

Hello Tammy and Frank Thank you so much for your replies, I am seeking this information for a family member so I do not have as much information as I would like. The only Albert Victor Gibson I could find on the 1881 census was in Scarborough . I found two marriages later that could be the same Albert Victor Gibson on Free BMD in London, so he could have been a Man who liked to move around or a bigamist. When I receive more information like a Scottish marriage certificate so I can find the parents I can then go further. Again Thank You -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:01 AM To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Albert V T Gibson > I'd like to add, with a digital camera, they can take a nice picture of > the record! > > Tammy > Canada > > frank wrote: >> Hi Bob: >>

http://www.kinnaird.net I would be very surprised if you don't find some excellent leads on this exemplary Kinnaird site! Jim Walker scotlandforever7@sbcglobal.net