Sorry, I did not read further down the email to see how long it was. Liz Dempster

Hello Faith I would love to share information on Redpath's. I am trying to sort out a tree of Redpath's starting about 1700 and I have two Redpath's on the 1881 census an Alexander and a Peter Redpath Actually there are 5 Alexanders in the line. I was in Scotland in March and bought a judges summation from West Register House . When I arrived home and studied the case I realized that the only two Redpaths were the two mentioned above, I realized what I had was the end of the case. I emailed West Register House and ask them if they could find the case, Three weeks later I received an Email stating that they had found the case 18 printed pages and 8 handwritten pages ,and it would cost me 20 pounds. It was well worth the money ,it gave three generations of Redpath's from Dunbar. If you like I could send you a copy of the Redpath Section It names names and how many children each had. Bob -------------------------------------------------- From: "Faith Stanners" <seahawk@xtra.co.nz> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 7:01 PM To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Alexander REDPATH word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I like this... Joyce Grier Hollett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry McGregor" <gerry@mc-gregor.org.uk> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] A Note from List Owner > sorry > > Gerry McGregor > > "As long as there are leaves in the forest, > and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, > Shall flourish forever." > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I have Alexander REDPATH marrying Jane STENHOUSE 12sept 1862 Faith Stanners B.O.I. NZ

sorry Gerry McGregor "As long as there are leaves in the forest, and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, Shall flourish forever."

Liz I will send you privately the info that I have about that part of the line if you want me to. It is too late at night here to give you a fuller response but I will try to tomorrow. Night & thanks Gerry McGregor "As long as there are leaves in the forest, and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, Shall flourish forever." -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Dempster Sent: 10 June 2010 23:18 To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? Hi Gerry: There are times that I find Scotlandspeople very expensive but to minimize the costs I use www.familysearch.org first to narrow down my search so I don't have to go through by process of elimination using credits up. What I like is the digital picture of the original documents, I have found out so much information that way. I have seen transcribed documents, but sometimes they are left to the transcriber to guess what a word is. I like to guess myself. Back to your Twiss family, do you think the John Twiss listed in my search of deaths below is yours? There is a Twiss family with a John Twiss 7 years old in 1891, born Midlothian Liberton Father Matthew, 32, he was a Baker by trade, Mother Elizabeth, 29 sister Elizabeth, age 6. Now I don't normally actively search for others on Scotlandspeople, usually when I have some credits and I am not getting anywhere in my research, and I do not know how my interest was peaked with this name, but this will just amaze you...... While looking for a marriage for your John and Anna I did not find their marriage but I found a death record for 1942 and his wife was listed as Anna Bridget - last name Rei(?) last letter hard to read. He died at Willowbrae Nursing home usual residence, 1 Brunstane? Road Joppa. ALSO in this search I found a 1953 marriage of John Joseph Twiss and Mary Aitken Laing. Mary Aitken Laing is a name in my tree, albeit one born in 1879. However the Laing family is quite extensive and they tend to name all their children in the Scottish naming pattern, so this one may very well be related. The actual marriage record is not available for me to confirm her parents, but I just found a birth in Portobello for 1929 and that is where this family hails from. So now my interest is beyond "peaked" because I have confirmed a family in Portobello and the two births I could confirm through death records are a boy, 1926 and one 1927 (unfortunately died in 1928) but would have been my dad's cousins. Their mother Cecilia was my grandfather's sister. Due to the privacy act for information, I have been stalled in my search for this family, so this is the type of find that I bite the bullet and order a document. There is also a birth for a John Twiss, 1925 St. Andrews, ED. and a David John Twiss George Square ED, 1959... I have found by purchasing documents important information that has led me to living relations, contacted them and found them to be excited to tell me about the family. Sometimes it is worth purchasing. So.....I have a gut feeling about this one and I may be thanking you later for posting online your TWISS family, and perhaps we are distantly related. I will be looking into this further. I may have some contacts in Edinburgh who just might have some information on this. Regards Liz Dempster. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry McGregor" <gerry@mc-gregor.org.uk> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > Hi Folks > > Thanks for those who have responded to my quest. That James is a distant > cousin. While I am interested in most Twiss, the main Twiss is my Great > Uncle John b 1883 d 1942. He married Anna Brigida from Argentina. He > travelled back and forth and I think some of his children were born over > there, some here. He owned the Willowbrae Nursing home in Edinburgh and > then > his wife and his daughter Ethal. Other children Gertrude, Julia married > Howard French, Edith, Aida, Marie & John married Mary Laing. Ethal married > John MacCallum and died in 1963 in Sussex, > > I find it very hard to find out more about them. > > On another topic, does anyone else find ScotlandsPeople expensive. If you > are doing a lot of research, the cost mounts up. Then if you have to order > copies ........ Why don't they do as the other sites do, an annual fee? > Also > it would save on searches if the mother's maiden name was included in the > search option. > > Gerry McGregor > > "As long as there are leaves in the forest, > and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, > Shall flourish forever." > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Dempster > Sent: 09 June 2010 23:45 > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > Hi Gerry, > > Interesting name, so while I was just in SP I looked up 1851 Census and > 1861 > > census - all records and did not find anything on your Twiss - Joseph in > 1851. There is a John Twiss, age 34, a John age 4 and a Matthew age 2 in > 1861 St. Andrews Ed. > > I also looked for a death record, from 1849 - 1850, nothing for a Joseph. >>From 1855 - 2006, the information on the records could confirm > relationshiops, these are all the deaths listed for J Twiss 1955 TWISS > JAMES M 72 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 2 1944 TWISS JAMES IRELAND M 20 SERVICE AND WAR RETURNS /MINOR > RECORDS > 3 1865 TWISS JOHN M CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 4 1918 TWISS JOHN M 64 KIRKINTILLOCH /DUNBARTON > 5 1942 TWISS JOHN M 59 CANONGATE AND PORTOBELLO EDINBURGH > CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 6 1946 TWISS JOHN M 88 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 7 2004 TWISS JOHN M 80 GLASGOW GLASGOW/GLASGOW CITY > 8 1997 TWISS JOHN COLUMBA M 72 EDINBURGH EDINBURGH/LOTHIAN REGION > 9 1950 TWISS JOHN JOSEPH M 69 ST ANDREW EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > > > > 1881 Census > > 1881 TWISS ELIZABETH F 2 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 2 1881 TWISS JOHN M 23 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 3 1881 TWISS JOHN M 0 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 4 1881 TWISS LIZZIE F 19 DALKEITH /MIDLOTHIAN > 5 1881 TWISS MARGARET F 16 NEWINGTON EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 6 1881 TWISS MATTHEW M 20 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 7 1881 TWISS SUSAN F 22 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > > > > Good luck hunting your TWISS family down. > > Liz Dempster > Ontario Canada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:51 PM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > >> Hey Gerry, >> >> I did a quick search at scotlands ppl, you sure have your work cut out >> for you! >> >> The only 2 Twiss births listed: >> >> 4 17/05/1850 TWISS FRANCES JOSEPH TWISS/ELISABETH PEMBLETON >> FR3163 FALKIRK /STIRLING 479/ 0110 0464 >> 5 23/07/1849 TWISS HELEN SAMUEL TWISS/HELEN TAYLOR FORFAR >> /ANGUS 288/ 0060 0417 >> >> >> after that poor result, I was afraid to look up any more! >> >> Sorry I couldn't be of more help. >> >> Tammy >> >> >> >> On 09/06/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry McGregor wrote: >>> Tammy >>> >>> My family also comes from Gilmerton, they are Twiss. If you come across >>> them >>> in your investigations I would be interested. >>> >>> Gerry McGregor >>> >>> "As long as there are leaves in the forest, >>> and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, >>> Shall flourish forever." >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Mitchell >>> Sent: 09 June 2010 16:25 >>> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>> >>> >>> Rhoda, >>> Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. >>> Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you >>> sure >>> helped with that! >>> I have requested the files from NAS! >>> I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. >>> I'm >>> amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my >>> Robert >>> Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more >>> generations. >>> If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd >>> be >>> happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. >>> Thank you >>> Tammy >>> On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: >>> >>> Hello Tammy >>> >>> A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a >>> number > >>> of >>> >>> sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning >>> 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". >>> The >>> >>> mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived >>> in >>> Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the >>> village >>> owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton >>> family. >>> >>> I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) >>> catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to >>> Robert >>> CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded >>> firearms, >>> under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial >>> itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, >>> Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. >>> >>> I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON >>> "for >>> the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at >>> public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref >>> JC26/1822/24. >>> He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is >>> a >>> footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert >>> Charleton, >>> 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. >>> >>> I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute >>> Book >>> >>> series E, as follows: >>> >>> "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, >>> Address: >>> Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear >>> as >>> witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - >>> 100 >>> merks Scots >>> William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: >>> Gilmerton, >>> Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. >>> Date >>> >>> of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks >>> Scots >>> John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. >>> Entry >>> relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 >>> May >>> >>> 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", >>> >>> So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some >>> reason > >>> a >>> number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that >>> George >>> THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has >>> happened > >>> to >>> >>> the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But >>> when >>> >>> I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in >>> 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition >>> papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them >>> the >>> various AD/ and JC/ references above. >>> >>> >>> Rhoda >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>> To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" >>> [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" >>> [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM >>> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Listers, >>> >>> I have found a newspaper clipping from: >>> The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. >>> >>> A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page >>> or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask >>> the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in >>> 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. >>> The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a >>> zoom of 300 I believe) >>> >>> It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding >>> a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s >>> property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed >>> but John Anderson was badly injured. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo >>> tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>> and >>> the >>> body of the message >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >>> 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com >>> 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk >>> 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >>> 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Garry I live in Australia. I find Scotlandspeople very reasonable compared to the cost of obtaining certificates from some other countries. If you do research before you go into Scotlandspeople it is possible to get 5 certificates for 30 points. I think this is comparable to the most reasonable cost of ONE Australian certificate. I was a Smith and have also Brown as a major family. I've not been looking for unusual names. Anyway that's my opinion. Cheers Ella Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry McGregor" <gerry@mc-gregor.org.uk> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > Hi Folks > > Thanks for those who have responded to my quest. That James is a distant > cousin. While I am interested in most Twiss, the main Twiss is my Great > Uncle John b 1883 d 1942. He married Anna Brigida from Argentina. He > travelled back and forth and I think some of his children were born over > there, some here. He owned the Willowbrae Nursing home in Edinburgh and > then > his wife and his daughter Ethal. Other children Gertrude, Julia married > Howard French, Edith, Aida, Marie & John married Mary Laing. Ethal married > John MacCallum and died in 1963 in Sussex, > > I find it very hard to find out more about them. > > On another topic, does anyone else find ScotlandsPeople expensive. If you > are doing a lot of research, the cost mounts up. Then if you have to order > copies ........ Why don't they do as the other sites do, an annual fee? > Also > it would save on searches if the mother's maiden name was included in the > search option. > > Gerry McGregor > > "As long as there are leaves in the forest, > and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, > Shall flourish forever." > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Dempster > Sent: 09 June 2010 23:45 > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > Hi Gerry, > > Interesting name, so while I was just in SP I looked up 1851 Census and > 1861 > > census - all records and did not find anything on your Twiss - Joseph in > 1851. There is a John Twiss, age 34, a John age 4 and a Matthew age 2 in > 1861 St. Andrews Ed. > > I also looked for a death record, from 1849 - 1850, nothing for a Joseph. >>From 1855 - 2006, the information on the records could confirm > relationshiops, these are all the deaths listed for J Twiss 1955 TWISS > JAMES M 72 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 2 1944 TWISS JAMES IRELAND M 20 SERVICE AND WAR RETURNS /MINOR > RECORDS > 3 1865 TWISS JOHN M CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 4 1918 TWISS JOHN M 64 KIRKINTILLOCH /DUNBARTON > 5 1942 TWISS JOHN M 59 CANONGATE AND PORTOBELLO EDINBURGH > CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 6 1946 TWISS JOHN M 88 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 7 2004 TWISS JOHN M 80 GLASGOW GLASGOW/GLASGOW CITY > 8 1997 TWISS JOHN COLUMBA M 72 EDINBURGH EDINBURGH/LOTHIAN REGION > 9 1950 TWISS JOHN JOSEPH M 69 ST ANDREW EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > > > > 1881 Census > > 1881 TWISS ELIZABETH F 2 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 2 1881 TWISS JOHN M 23 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 3 1881 TWISS JOHN M 0 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 4 1881 TWISS LIZZIE F 19 DALKEITH /MIDLOTHIAN > 5 1881 TWISS MARGARET F 16 NEWINGTON EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 6 1881 TWISS MATTHEW M 20 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 7 1881 TWISS SUSAN F 22 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > > > > Good luck hunting your TWISS family down. > > Liz Dempster > Ontario Canada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:51 PM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > >> Hey Gerry, >> >> I did a quick search at scotlands ppl, you sure have your work cut out >> for you! >> >> The only 2 Twiss births listed: >> >> 4 17/05/1850 TWISS FRANCES JOSEPH TWISS/ELISABETH PEMBLETON >> FR3163 FALKIRK /STIRLING 479/ 0110 0464 >> 5 23/07/1849 TWISS HELEN SAMUEL TWISS/HELEN TAYLOR FORFAR >> /ANGUS 288/ 0060 0417 >> >> >> after that poor result, I was afraid to look up any more! >> >> Sorry I couldn't be of more help. >> >> Tammy >> >> >> >> On 09/06/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry McGregor wrote: >>> Tammy >>> >>> My family also comes from Gilmerton, they are Twiss. If you come across >>> them >>> in your investigations I would be interested. >>> >>> Gerry McGregor >>> >>> "As long as there are leaves in the forest, >>> and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, >>> Shall flourish forever." >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Mitchell >>> Sent: 09 June 2010 16:25 >>> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>> >>> >>> Rhoda, >>> Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. >>> Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you >>> sure >>> helped with that! >>> I have requested the files from NAS! >>> I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. >>> I'm >>> amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my >>> Robert >>> Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more >>> generations. >>> If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd >>> be >>> happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. >>> Thank you >>> Tammy >>> On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: >>> >>> Hello Tammy >>> >>> A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a >>> number > >>> of >>> >>> sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning >>> 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". >>> The >>> >>> mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived >>> in >>> Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the >>> village >>> owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton >>> family. >>> >>> I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) >>> catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to >>> Robert >>> CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded >>> firearms, >>> under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial >>> itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, >>> Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. >>> >>> I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON >>> "for >>> the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at >>> public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref >>> JC26/1822/24. >>> He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is >>> a >>> footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert >>> Charleton, >>> 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. >>> >>> I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute >>> Book >>> >>> series E, as follows: >>> >>> "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, >>> Address: >>> Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear >>> as >>> witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - >>> 100 >>> merks Scots >>> William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: >>> Gilmerton, >>> Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. >>> Date >>> >>> of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks >>> Scots >>> John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. >>> Entry >>> relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 >>> May >>> >>> 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", >>> >>> So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some >>> reason > >>> a >>> number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that >>> George >>> THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has >>> happened > >>> to >>> >>> the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But >>> when >>> >>> I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in >>> 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition >>> papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them >>> the >>> various AD/ and JC/ references above. >>> >>> >>> Rhoda >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>> To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" >>> [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" >>> [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM >>> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Listers, >>> >>> I have found a newspaper clipping from: >>> The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. >>> >>> A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page >>> or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask >>> the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in >>> 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. >>> The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a >>> zoom of 300 I believe) >>> >>> It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding >>> a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s >>> property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed >>> but John Anderson was badly injured. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo >>> tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>> and >>> the >>> body of the message >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >>> 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com >>> 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk >>> 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >>> 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry McGregor" <gerry@mc-gregor.org.uk> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > Liz > > I will send you privately the info that I have about that part of the line > if you want me to. > > It is too late at night here to give you a fuller response but I will try > to > tomorrow. > > Night & thanks > > Gerry McGregor > > "As long as there are leaves in the forest, > and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, > Shall flourish forever." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Dempster > Sent: 10 June 2010 23:18 > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > Hi Gerry: > > There are times that I find Scotlandspeople very expensive but to minimize > the costs I use www.familysearch.org first to narrow down my search so I > don't have to go through by process of elimination using credits up. What > I > > like is the digital picture of the original documents, I have found out > so > much information that way. I have seen transcribed documents, but > sometimes > > they are left to the transcriber to guess what a word is. I like to > guess > myself. > > Back to your Twiss family, do you think the John Twiss listed in my search > of deaths below is yours? There is a Twiss family with a John Twiss 7 > years > > old in 1891, born Midlothian Liberton Father Matthew, 32, he was a Baker > by > > trade, Mother Elizabeth, 29 sister Elizabeth, age 6. > > Now I don't normally actively search for others on Scotlandspeople, > usually > when I have some credits and I am not getting anywhere in my research, and > I > > do not know how my interest was peaked with this name, but this will just > amaze you...... > > While looking for a marriage for your John and Anna I did not find their > marriage but I found a death record for 1942 and his wife was listed as > Anna > > Bridget - last name Rei(?) last letter hard to read. He died at > Willowbrae > Nursing home usual residence, 1 Brunstane? Road Joppa. ALSO in this > search > > I found a 1953 marriage of John Joseph Twiss and Mary Aitken Laing. Mary > Aitken Laing is a name in my tree, albeit one born in 1879. However the > Laing family is quite extensive and they tend to name all their children > in > the Scottish naming pattern, so this one may very well be related. The > actual marriage record is not available for me to confirm her parents, but > I > > just found a birth in Portobello for 1929 and that is where this family > hails from. So now my interest is beyond "peaked" because I have > confirmed > a family in Portobello and the two births I could confirm through death > records are a boy, 1926 and one 1927 (unfortunately died in 1928) but > would > have been my dad's cousins. Their mother Cecilia was my grandfather's > sister. Due to the privacy act for information, I have been stalled in my > search for this family, so this is the type of find that I bite the bullet > and order a document. There is also a birth for a John Twiss, 1925 St. > Andrews, ED. and a David John Twiss George Square ED, 1959... > > I have found by purchasing documents important information that has led me > to living relations, contacted them and found them to be excited to tell > me > about the family. Sometimes it is worth purchasing. > > So.....I have a gut feeling about this one and I may be thanking you later > for posting online your TWISS family, and perhaps we are distantly > related. > I will be looking into this further. I may have some contacts in > Edinburgh > who just might have some information on this. > > Regards > Liz Dempster. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerry McGregor" <gerry@mc-gregor.org.uk> > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:24 AM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > >> Hi Folks >> >> Thanks for those who have responded to my quest. That James is a distant >> cousin. While I am interested in most Twiss, the main Twiss is my Great >> Uncle John b 1883 d 1942. He married Anna Brigida from Argentina. He >> travelled back and forth and I think some of his children were born over >> there, some here. He owned the Willowbrae Nursing home in Edinburgh and >> then >> his wife and his daughter Ethal. Other children Gertrude, Julia married >> Howard French, Edith, Aida, Marie & John married Mary Laing. Ethal >> married >> John MacCallum and died in 1963 in Sussex, >> >> I find it very hard to find out more about them. >> >> On another topic, does anyone else find ScotlandsPeople expensive. If you >> are doing a lot of research, the cost mounts up. Then if you have to >> order >> copies ........ Why don't they do as the other sites do, an annual fee? >> Also >> it would save on searches if the mother's maiden name was included in the >> search option. >> >> Gerry McGregor >> >> "As long as there are leaves in the forest, >> and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, >> Shall flourish forever." >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Dempster >> Sent: 09 June 2010 23:45 >> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? >> >> Hi Gerry, >> >> Interesting name, so while I was just in SP I looked up 1851 Census and >> 1861 >> >> census - all records and did not find anything on your Twiss - Joseph in >> 1851. There is a John Twiss, age 34, a John age 4 and a Matthew age 2 in >> 1861 St. Andrews Ed. >> >> I also looked for a death record, from 1849 - 1850, nothing for a >> Joseph. >>>From 1855 - 2006, the information on the records could confirm >> relationshiops, these are all the deaths listed for J Twiss 1955 >> TWISS >> JAMES M 72 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN >> 2 1944 TWISS JAMES IRELAND M 20 SERVICE AND WAR RETURNS /MINOR >> RECORDS >> 3 1865 TWISS JOHN M CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN >> 4 1918 TWISS JOHN M 64 KIRKINTILLOCH /DUNBARTON >> 5 1942 TWISS JOHN M 59 CANONGATE AND PORTOBELLO EDINBURGH >> CITY/MIDLOTHIAN >> 6 1946 TWISS JOHN M 88 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN >> 7 2004 TWISS JOHN M 80 GLASGOW GLASGOW/GLASGOW CITY >> 8 1997 TWISS JOHN COLUMBA M 72 EDINBURGH EDINBURGH/LOTHIAN REGION >> 9 1950 TWISS JOHN JOSEPH M 69 ST ANDREW EDINBURGH >> CITY/MIDLOTHIAN >> >> >> >> 1881 Census >> >> 1881 TWISS ELIZABETH F 2 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN >> 2 1881 TWISS JOHN M 23 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN >> 3 1881 TWISS JOHN M 0 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN >> 4 1881 TWISS LIZZIE F 19 DALKEITH /MIDLOTHIAN >> 5 1881 TWISS MARGARET F 16 NEWINGTON EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN >> 6 1881 TWISS MATTHEW M 20 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN >> 7 1881 TWISS SUSAN F 22 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN >> >> >> >> Good luck hunting your TWISS family down. >> >> Liz Dempster >> Ontario Canada >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:51 PM >> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? >> >> >>> Hey Gerry, >>> >>> I did a quick search at scotlands ppl, you sure have your work cut out >>> for you! >>> >>> The only 2 Twiss births listed: >>> >>> 4 17/05/1850 TWISS FRANCES JOSEPH TWISS/ELISABETH PEMBLETON >>> FR3163 FALKIRK /STIRLING 479/ 0110 0464 >>> 5 23/07/1849 TWISS HELEN SAMUEL TWISS/HELEN TAYLOR FORFAR >>> /ANGUS 288/ 0060 0417 >>> >>> >>> after that poor result, I was afraid to look up any more! >>> >>> Sorry I couldn't be of more help. >>> >>> Tammy >>> >>> >>> >>> On 09/06/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry McGregor wrote: >>>> Tammy >>>> >>>> My family also comes from Gilmerton, they are Twiss. If you come across >>>> them >>>> in your investigations I would be interested. >>>> >>>> Gerry McGregor >>>> >>>> "As long as there are leaves in the forest, >>>> and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, >>>> Shall flourish forever." >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Mitchell >>>> Sent: 09 June 2010 16:25 >>>> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>>> >>>> >>>> Rhoda, >>>> Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. >>>> Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you >>>> sure >>>> helped with that! >>>> I have requested the files from NAS! >>>> I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. >>>> I'm >>>> amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my >>>> Robert >>>> Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more >>>> generations. >>>> If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, >>>> I'd >>>> be >>>> happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. >>>> Thank you >>>> Tammy >>>> On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Tammy >>>> >>>> A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a >>>> number >> >>>> of >>>> >>>> sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning >>>> 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". >>>> The >>>> >>>> mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I >>>> lived >>>> in >>>> Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the >>>> village >>>> owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton >>>> family. >>>> >>>> I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) >>>> catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to >>>> Robert >>>> CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded >>>> firearms, >>>> under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial >>>> itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, >>>> Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. >>>> >>>> I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON >>>> "for >>>> the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder >>>> at >>>> public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref >>>> JC26/1822/24. >>>> He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is >>>> a >>>> footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert >>>> Charleton, >>>> 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. >>>> >>>> I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute >>>> Book >>>> >>>> series E, as follows: >>>> >>>> "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, >>>> Address: >>>> Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear >>>> as >>>> witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - >>>> 100 >>>> merks Scots >>>> William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: >>>> Gilmerton, >>>> Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. >>>> Date >>>> >>>> of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks >>>> Scots >>>> John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. >>>> Entry >>>> relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: >>>> 28 >>>> May >>>> >>>> 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", >>>> >>>> So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some >>>> reason >> >>>> a >>>> number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that >>>> George >>>> THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has >>>> happened >> >>>> to >>>> >>>> the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But >>>> when >>>> >>>> I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary >>>> in >>>> 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition >>>> papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them >>>> the >>>> various AD/ and JC/ references above. >>>> >>>> >>>> Rhoda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>>> To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" >>>> [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" >>>> [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM >>>> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Listers, >>>> >>>> I have found a newspaper clipping from: >>>> The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. >>>> >>>> A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page >>>> or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask >>>> the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in >>>> 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. >>>> The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a >>>> zoom of 300 I believe) >>>> >>>> It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding >>>> a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s >>>> property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was >>>> killed >>>> but John Anderson was badly injured. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo >>>> tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>>> and >>>> the >>>> body of the message >>>> >>>> References >>>> >>>> 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >>>> 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com >>>> 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk >>>> 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >>>> 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Faith The 1881 census gives bad news Jane is a widow. Living at 56 Pleasance Jane Redpath Head Widow 38 Edinburgh City Parish Alison Redpath Dau U 17 Edinburgh City Parish Bookfolder Janet Redpath Dau 12 Edinburgh City Parish Scholar Mary Redpath Dau 9 Edinburgh City Parish Scholar Agnes Redpath Dau 7 Edinburgh City Parish Scholar Christine Redpath Dau 3 Edinburgh City Parish David Redpath Son 8m Edinburgh City Parish Living at 87 Pleasance Alison Stenhouse Head Widow 75 F Gavington , Berwick, Scotland Charles McBean Boarder U 30 M Lasswade,Edinburgh, Labourer Iron Foundry William Redpath Boarder U 14 M St Giles Edinburgh , Plasterers Apprentice Alexander Simpson Lodger U 60 M Liberton Parish, Edinburgh Tailor Gillis McBean Lodger U 40 M Daviot, Inverness Labourer Gas Works -------------------------------------------------- From: "Faith Stanners" <seahawk@xtra.co.nz> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:24 PM To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Alexander REDPATH > Hi > I have Alexander REDPATH marrying Jane STENHOUSE 12sept 1862 > > Faith Stanners > B.O.I. NZ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, Just a gentle reminder when responding to messages it's not necessary to include the entire string with your reply - please only include the necessary parts of a message when replying. If you are a subscriber to the Digest version of the list, please do not reply to the entire digest - reply to the individual message. Thanks! Nathan

Hello Faith I do not know if they fit into my tree yet but I will keep you in mind. I have found some children fot Alexander and Jane William Redpath, birth 25 Jul 1866 Edinburgh Parish Janet Fraser Redpath, birth 16 Nov 1868 Edinburgh Parish Alison Lawrie Redpath, birth 25 Jul 1864 Edinburgh Parish All the above are from IGI C116852, I will check the 1881 census tomorrow to find the place of birth of Alexander and Jane Bob -------------------------------------------------- From: "Faith Stanners" <seahawk@xtra.co.nz> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:24 PM To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Alexander REDPATH > Hi > I have Alexander REDPATH marrying Jane STENHOUSE 12sept 1862 > > Faith Stanners > B.O.I. NZ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Gerry: There are times that I find Scotlandspeople very expensive but to minimize the costs I use www.familysearch.org first to narrow down my search so I don't have to go through by process of elimination using credits up. What I like is the digital picture of the original documents, I have found out so much information that way. I have seen transcribed documents, but sometimes they are left to the transcriber to guess what a word is. I like to guess myself. Back to your Twiss family, do you think the John Twiss listed in my search of deaths below is yours? There is a Twiss family with a John Twiss 7 years old in 1891, born Midlothian Liberton Father Matthew, 32, he was a Baker by trade, Mother Elizabeth, 29 sister Elizabeth, age 6. Now I don't normally actively search for others on Scotlandspeople, usually when I have some credits and I am not getting anywhere in my research, and I do not know how my interest was peaked with this name, but this will just amaze you...... While looking for a marriage for your John and Anna I did not find their marriage but I found a death record for 1942 and his wife was listed as Anna Bridget - last name Rei(?) last letter hard to read. He died at Willowbrae Nursing home usual residence, 1 Brunstane? Road Joppa. ALSO in this search I found a 1953 marriage of John Joseph Twiss and Mary Aitken Laing. Mary Aitken Laing is a name in my tree, albeit one born in 1879. However the Laing family is quite extensive and they tend to name all their children in the Scottish naming pattern, so this one may very well be related. The actual marriage record is not available for me to confirm her parents, but I just found a birth in Portobello for 1929 and that is where this family hails from. So now my interest is beyond "peaked" because I have confirmed a family in Portobello and the two births I could confirm through death records are a boy, 1926 and one 1927 (unfortunately died in 1928) but would have been my dad's cousins. Their mother Cecilia was my grandfather's sister. Due to the privacy act for information, I have been stalled in my search for this family, so this is the type of find that I bite the bullet and order a document. There is also a birth for a John Twiss, 1925 St. Andrews, ED. and a David John Twiss George Square ED, 1959... I have found by purchasing documents important information that has led me to living relations, contacted them and found them to be excited to tell me about the family. Sometimes it is worth purchasing. So.....I have a gut feeling about this one and I may be thanking you later for posting online your TWISS family, and perhaps we are distantly related. I will be looking into this further. I may have some contacts in Edinburgh who just might have some information on this. Regards Liz Dempster. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry McGregor" <gerry@mc-gregor.org.uk> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > Hi Folks > > Thanks for those who have responded to my quest. That James is a distant > cousin. While I am interested in most Twiss, the main Twiss is my Great > Uncle John b 1883 d 1942. He married Anna Brigida from Argentina. He > travelled back and forth and I think some of his children were born over > there, some here. He owned the Willowbrae Nursing home in Edinburgh and > then > his wife and his daughter Ethal. Other children Gertrude, Julia married > Howard French, Edith, Aida, Marie & John married Mary Laing. Ethal married > John MacCallum and died in 1963 in Sussex, > > I find it very hard to find out more about them. > > On another topic, does anyone else find ScotlandsPeople expensive. If you > are doing a lot of research, the cost mounts up. Then if you have to order > copies ........ Why don't they do as the other sites do, an annual fee? > Also > it would save on searches if the mother's maiden name was included in the > search option. > > Gerry McGregor > > "As long as there are leaves in the forest, > and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, > Shall flourish forever." > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Dempster > Sent: 09 June 2010 23:45 > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > Hi Gerry, > > Interesting name, so while I was just in SP I looked up 1851 Census and > 1861 > > census - all records and did not find anything on your Twiss - Joseph in > 1851. There is a John Twiss, age 34, a John age 4 and a Matthew age 2 in > 1861 St. Andrews Ed. > > I also looked for a death record, from 1849 - 1850, nothing for a Joseph. >>From 1855 - 2006, the information on the records could confirm > relationshiops, these are all the deaths listed for J Twiss 1955 TWISS > JAMES M 72 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 2 1944 TWISS JAMES IRELAND M 20 SERVICE AND WAR RETURNS /MINOR > RECORDS > 3 1865 TWISS JOHN M CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 4 1918 TWISS JOHN M 64 KIRKINTILLOCH /DUNBARTON > 5 1942 TWISS JOHN M 59 CANONGATE AND PORTOBELLO EDINBURGH > CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 6 1946 TWISS JOHN M 88 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 7 2004 TWISS JOHN M 80 GLASGOW GLASGOW/GLASGOW CITY > 8 1997 TWISS JOHN COLUMBA M 72 EDINBURGH EDINBURGH/LOTHIAN REGION > 9 1950 TWISS JOHN JOSEPH M 69 ST ANDREW EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > > > > 1881 Census > > 1881 TWISS ELIZABETH F 2 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 2 1881 TWISS JOHN M 23 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 3 1881 TWISS JOHN M 0 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 4 1881 TWISS LIZZIE F 19 DALKEITH /MIDLOTHIAN > 5 1881 TWISS MARGARET F 16 NEWINGTON EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 6 1881 TWISS MATTHEW M 20 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 7 1881 TWISS SUSAN F 22 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > > > > Good luck hunting your TWISS family down. > > Liz Dempster > Ontario Canada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:51 PM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > >> Hey Gerry, >> >> I did a quick search at scotlands ppl, you sure have your work cut out >> for you! >> >> The only 2 Twiss births listed: >> >> 4 17/05/1850 TWISS FRANCES JOSEPH TWISS/ELISABETH PEMBLETON >> FR3163 FALKIRK /STIRLING 479/ 0110 0464 >> 5 23/07/1849 TWISS HELEN SAMUEL TWISS/HELEN TAYLOR FORFAR >> /ANGUS 288/ 0060 0417 >> >> >> after that poor result, I was afraid to look up any more! >> >> Sorry I couldn't be of more help. >> >> Tammy >> >> >> >> On 09/06/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry McGregor wrote: >>> Tammy >>> >>> My family also comes from Gilmerton, they are Twiss. If you come across >>> them >>> in your investigations I would be interested. >>> >>> Gerry McGregor >>> >>> "As long as there are leaves in the forest, >>> and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, >>> Shall flourish forever." >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Mitchell >>> Sent: 09 June 2010 16:25 >>> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>> >>> >>> Rhoda, >>> Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. >>> Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you >>> sure >>> helped with that! >>> I have requested the files from NAS! >>> I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. >>> I'm >>> amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my >>> Robert >>> Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more >>> generations. >>> If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd >>> be >>> happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. >>> Thank you >>> Tammy >>> On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: >>> >>> Hello Tammy >>> >>> A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a >>> number > >>> of >>> >>> sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning >>> 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". >>> The >>> >>> mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived >>> in >>> Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the >>> village >>> owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton >>> family. >>> >>> I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) >>> catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to >>> Robert >>> CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded >>> firearms, >>> under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial >>> itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, >>> Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. >>> >>> I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON >>> "for >>> the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at >>> public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref >>> JC26/1822/24. >>> He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is >>> a >>> footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert >>> Charleton, >>> 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. >>> >>> I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute >>> Book >>> >>> series E, as follows: >>> >>> "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, >>> Address: >>> Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear >>> as >>> witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - >>> 100 >>> merks Scots >>> William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: >>> Gilmerton, >>> Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. >>> Date >>> >>> of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks >>> Scots >>> John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. >>> Entry >>> relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 >>> May >>> >>> 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", >>> >>> So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some >>> reason > >>> a >>> number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that >>> George >>> THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has >>> happened > >>> to >>> >>> the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But >>> when >>> >>> I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in >>> 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition >>> papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them >>> the >>> various AD/ and JC/ references above. >>> >>> >>> Rhoda >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>> To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" >>> [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" >>> [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM >>> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Listers, >>> >>> I have found a newspaper clipping from: >>> The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. >>> >>> A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page >>> or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask >>> the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in >>> 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. >>> The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a >>> zoom of 300 I believe) >>> >>> It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding >>> a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s >>> property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed >>> but John Anderson was badly injured. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo >>> tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>> and >>> the >>> body of the message >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >>> 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com >>> 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk >>> 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >>> 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Folks Thanks for those who have responded to my quest. That James is a distant cousin. While I am interested in most Twiss, the main Twiss is my Great Uncle John b 1883 d 1942. He married Anna Brigida from Argentina. He travelled back and forth and I think some of his children were born over there, some here. He owned the Willowbrae Nursing home in Edinburgh and then his wife and his daughter Ethal. Other children Gertrude, Julia married Howard French, Edith, Aida, Marie & John married Mary Laing. Ethal married John MacCallum and died in 1963 in Sussex, I find it very hard to find out more about them. On another topic, does anyone else find ScotlandsPeople expensive. If you are doing a lot of research, the cost mounts up. Then if you have to order copies ........ Why don't they do as the other sites do, an annual fee? Also it would save on searches if the mother's maiden name was included in the search option. Gerry McGregor "As long as there are leaves in the forest, and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, Shall flourish forever." -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Dempster Sent: 09 June 2010 23:45 To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? Hi Gerry, Interesting name, so while I was just in SP I looked up 1851 Census and 1861 census - all records and did not find anything on your Twiss - Joseph in 1851. There is a John Twiss, age 34, a John age 4 and a Matthew age 2 in 1861 St. Andrews Ed. I also looked for a death record, from 1849 - 1850, nothing for a Joseph. >From 1855 - 2006, the information on the records could confirm relationshiops, these are all the deaths listed for J Twiss 1955 TWISS JAMES M 72 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 2 1944 TWISS JAMES IRELAND M 20 SERVICE AND WAR RETURNS /MINOR RECORDS 3 1865 TWISS JOHN M CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 4 1918 TWISS JOHN M 64 KIRKINTILLOCH /DUNBARTON 5 1942 TWISS JOHN M 59 CANONGATE AND PORTOBELLO EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 6 1946 TWISS JOHN M 88 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 7 2004 TWISS JOHN M 80 GLASGOW GLASGOW/GLASGOW CITY 8 1997 TWISS JOHN COLUMBA M 72 EDINBURGH EDINBURGH/LOTHIAN REGION 9 1950 TWISS JOHN JOSEPH M 69 ST ANDREW EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 1881 Census 1881 TWISS ELIZABETH F 2 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN 2 1881 TWISS JOHN M 23 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN 3 1881 TWISS JOHN M 0 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN 4 1881 TWISS LIZZIE F 19 DALKEITH /MIDLOTHIAN 5 1881 TWISS MARGARET F 16 NEWINGTON EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN 6 1881 TWISS MATTHEW M 20 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN 7 1881 TWISS SUSAN F 22 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN Good luck hunting your TWISS family down. Liz Dempster Ontario Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:51 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > Hey Gerry, > > I did a quick search at scotlands ppl, you sure have your work cut out > for you! > > The only 2 Twiss births listed: > > 4 17/05/1850 TWISS FRANCES JOSEPH TWISS/ELISABETH PEMBLETON > FR3163 FALKIRK /STIRLING 479/ 0110 0464 > 5 23/07/1849 TWISS HELEN SAMUEL TWISS/HELEN TAYLOR FORFAR > /ANGUS 288/ 0060 0417 > > > after that poor result, I was afraid to look up any more! > > Sorry I couldn't be of more help. > > Tammy > > > > On 09/06/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry McGregor wrote: >> Tammy >> >> My family also comes from Gilmerton, they are Twiss. If you come across >> them >> in your investigations I would be interested. >> >> Gerry McGregor >> >> "As long as there are leaves in the forest, >> and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, >> Shall flourish forever." >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Mitchell >> Sent: 09 June 2010 16:25 >> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >> >> >> Rhoda, >> Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. >> Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you >> sure >> helped with that! >> I have requested the files from NAS! >> I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. >> I'm >> amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my >> Robert >> Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more >> generations. >> If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd >> be >> happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. >> Thank you >> Tammy >> On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: >> >> Hello Tammy >> >> A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a number >> of >> >> sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning >> 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". >> The >> >> mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived >> in >> Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the village >> owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton >> family. >> >> I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) >> catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to >> Robert >> CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded >> firearms, >> under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial >> itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, >> Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. >> >> I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON >> "for >> the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at >> public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref JC26/1822/24. >> He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is a >> footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert >> Charleton, >> 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. >> >> I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute >> Book >> >> series E, as follows: >> >> "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, Address: >> Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as >> witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - >> 100 >> merks Scots >> William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: Gilmerton, >> Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. >> Date >> >> of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots >> John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. >> Entry >> relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 >> May >> >> 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", >> >> So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some reason >> a >> number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that George >> THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has happened >> to >> >> the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But >> when >> >> I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in >> 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition >> papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them the >> various AD/ and JC/ references above. >> >> >> Rhoda >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >> To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" >> [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" >> [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM >> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >> >> >> >> >> Hi Listers, >> >> I have found a newspaper clipping from: >> The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. >> >> A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page >> or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask >> the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in >> 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. >> The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a >> zoom of 300 I believe) >> >> It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding >> a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s >> property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed >> but John Anderson was badly injured. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo >> tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >> and >> the >> body of the message >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >> 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com >> 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk >> 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >> 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List I am seeking information on a REDPATH family from Dunbar, East Lothian. Alexander REDPATH married Lilias MURRAY 12 May 1751 ,in Dunbar, East Lothian. IGI M117060 the Couple had the following children , this from the vital Records Index, Second Edition FHL Film 1067796 George Ridpath Chr 19 June 1752 James Ridpath Chr 06 Oct 1754 Lilias Ridpath Chr 24 Apr 1757 Agnes Ridpath Chr 30 Mar 1760 Magdalen Ridpath Chr 22 may 1763 >From Steve Ridpath's excellent site I found Alexander Redpath Chr 28 Apr 1769. >From a Court Case That I have Received from West Register House . Which gives the REDPATH Family connection I have the final name Janet REDPATH born 1758 in Dunbar ,She is buried in the Canongate Graveyard. Janet Was the wife of Thomas Kinnaird of Fleshmarket Close ,Edinburgh. I am starting to assemble the tree of the REDPATH family . If anyone has them in their tree or has any information on the Families. The two REDPATH's involved in the case The following is from 1881 census Peter REDPATH age 52 born Dunbar, East Lothian , Butcher of 8 Hamilton Place, St Cuthberts, Edinburgh Alexander REDPATH age 52 born Dunbar,East Lothian, Slater Master, 4 men 67 Torphichen Street Edinbiurgh. The Case also involves the KINNAIRD Family Bob

Hi Bob, I have in my scraggle of records a marriage, I'll just throw it out to you in case you ever find a connection ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HUTTON, Thomas Marriage Wife: Margreat RIDPATH Marriage Date: 21 Oct 1789 Recorded in: Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland Collection: United Associate Congregation Source: FHL Film 1484192 Dates: 1789 - 1789 Note: FRCH3V85NO1P49 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have over 300 birth records (list) for "Redpath" East Lothian... email me and I'll send them to you if you want. ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca. They only look like what's below, but it might help you move along.. For now, based on your naming pattern.. Would this be your Alexander's parents and siblings? REDPATH, Alexander Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 20 Dec 1724 Recorded in: Innerwick, East Lothian, Scotland Father: George REDPATH Mother: Agnes CATCLEUGH Source: FHL Film 1067849 Dates: 1663 - 1740 ------------------ with siblings REDPATH, John Chr 1723 Scot EaLo Innerw Fa: George REDPATH Mo: Agnes CATCLEUGH REDPATH, Alexander Chr 1724 Scot EaLo Innerw Fa: George REDPATH Mo: Agnes CATCLEUGH REDPATH, Issobell Bir 1733 Scot EaLo Stento Fa: George REDPATH Mo: Agnes CATCLEUGH ------------------------------------------- OH, one other record, could be yours, or not, you'll have to check it all (scppl maybe) A birth of a Lyllias Murry... MURRY, Lyllias Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 16 Sep 1728 Recorded in: Oldhamstocks, East Lothian, Scotland Father: James MURRY Mother: Lyllias COWAN Source: FHL Film 1067853 Dates: 1669 - 1854 ---------------------------------------------- Naming pattern matches... so check it out. Take care, Tammy BC Canada On 10/06/2010 5:33 AM, robertgascoigne wrote: > Hello List > > I am seeking information on a REDPATH family from Dunbar, East Lothian. Alexander REDPATH married Lilias MURRAY 12 May 1751 ,in Dunbar, East Lothian. IGI M117060 the Couple had the following children , this from the vital Records Index, Second Edition FHL Film 1067796 > > George Ridpath Chr 19 June 1752 > > James Ridpath Chr 06 Oct 1754 > > Lilias Ridpath Chr 24 Apr 1757 > > Agnes Ridpath Chr 30 Mar 1760 > > Magdalen Ridpath Chr 22 may 1763 > > > > From Steve Ridpath's excellent site I found Alexander Redpath Chr 28 Apr 1769. > > > From a Court Case That I have Received from West Register House . Which gives the REDPATH Family connection I have the final name Janet REDPATH born 1758 in Dunbar ,She is buried in the Canongate Graveyard. Janet Was the wife of Thomas Kinnaird of Fleshmarket Close ,Edinburgh. > > I am starting to assemble the tree of the REDPATH family . If anyone has them in their tree or has any information on the Families. The two REDPATH's involved in the case The following is from 1881 census > Peter REDPATH age 52 born Dunbar, East Lothian , Butcher of 8 Hamilton Place, St Cuthberts, Edinburgh > > Alexander REDPATH age 52 born Dunbar,East Lothian, Slater Master, 4 men 67 Torphichen Street Edinbiurgh. > > > The Case also involves the KINNAIRD Family > > Bob >

Well I'll comment on the scppl. I've spent a few hundred if not up to thousands there over the past 3 years. So yes I do find it VERY expensive. But I'm at my brick wall on that Robert Mitchell's parentage, and have been for that time. Funny it took me abt a day or two to get back to him and his wife, but since then... yes a lot of money. But I find it MUCH better then the ireland site, that, only gives you a tidbit of a clue on your search, but if after trying to weed out any returns that really couldn't be 'yours' - you jump in any buy a VERY expensive record, and it's not even close. At least with Scppl, you can get a reasonable amount of info prior to buying. cheers Tammy On 10/06/2010 3:24 AM, Gerry McGregor wrote: > Hi Folks > > Thanks for those who have responded to my quest. That James is a distant > cousin. While I am interested in most Twiss, the main Twiss is my Great > Uncle John b 1883 d 1942. He married Anna Brigida from Argentina. He > travelled back and forth and I think some of his children were born over > there, some here. He owned the Willowbrae Nursing home in Edinburgh and then > his wife and his daughter Ethal. Other children Gertrude, Julia married > Howard French, Edith, Aida, Marie& John married Mary Laing. Ethal married > John MacCallum and died in 1963 in Sussex, > > I find it very hard to find out more about them. > > On another topic, does anyone else find ScotlandsPeople expensive. If you > are doing a lot of research, the cost mounts up. Then if you have to order > copies ........ Why don't they do as the other sites do, an annual fee? Also > it would save on searches if the mother's maiden name was included in the > search option. > > Gerry McGregor > > "As long as there are leaves in the forest, > and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, > Shall flourish forever." > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Dempster > Sent: 09 June 2010 23:45 > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > Hi Gerry, > > Interesting name, so while I was just in SP I looked up 1851 Census and 1861 > > census - all records and did not find anything on your Twiss - Joseph in > 1851. There is a John Twiss, age 34, a John age 4 and a Matthew age 2 in > 1861 St. Andrews Ed. > > I also looked for a death record, from 1849 - 1850, nothing for a Joseph. > > From 1855 - 2006, the information on the records could confirm > relationshiops, these are all the deaths listed for J Twiss 1955 TWISS > JAMES M 72 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 2 1944 TWISS JAMES IRELAND M 20 SERVICE AND WAR RETURNS /MINOR > RECORDS > 3 1865 TWISS JOHN M CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 4 1918 TWISS JOHN M 64 KIRKINTILLOCH /DUNBARTON > 5 1942 TWISS JOHN M 59 CANONGATE AND PORTOBELLO EDINBURGH > CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 6 1946 TWISS JOHN M 88 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > 7 2004 TWISS JOHN M 80 GLASGOW GLASGOW/GLASGOW CITY > 8 1997 TWISS JOHN COLUMBA M 72 EDINBURGH EDINBURGH/LOTHIAN REGION > 9 1950 TWISS JOHN JOSEPH M 69 ST ANDREW EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN > > > > 1881 Census > > 1881 TWISS ELIZABETH F 2 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 2 1881 TWISS JOHN M 23 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 3 1881 TWISS JOHN M 0 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 4 1881 TWISS LIZZIE F 19 DALKEITH /MIDLOTHIAN > 5 1881 TWISS MARGARET F 16 NEWINGTON EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 6 1881 TWISS MATTHEW M 20 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > 7 1881 TWISS SUSAN F 22 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN > > > > Good luck hunting your TWISS family down. > > Liz Dempster > Ontario Canada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tammy Mitchell"<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > To:<midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:51 PM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > > > >> Hey Gerry, >> >> I did a quick search at scotlands ppl, you sure have your work cut out >> for you! >> >> The only 2 Twiss births listed: >> >> 4 17/05/1850 TWISS FRANCES JOSEPH TWISS/ELISABETH PEMBLETON >> FR3163 FALKIRK /STIRLING 479/ 0110 0464 >> 5 23/07/1849 TWISS HELEN SAMUEL TWISS/HELEN TAYLOR FORFAR >> /ANGUS 288/ 0060 0417 >> >> >> after that poor result, I was afraid to look up any more! >> >> Sorry I couldn't be of more help. >> >> Tammy >> >> >> >> On 09/06/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry McGregor wrote: >> >>> Tammy >>> >>> My family also comes from Gilmerton, they are Twiss. If you come across >>> them >>> in your investigations I would be interested. >>> >>> Gerry McGregor >>> >>> "As long as there are leaves in the forest, >>> and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, >>> Shall flourish forever." >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Mitchell >>> Sent: 09 June 2010 16:25 >>> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>> >>> >>> Rhoda, >>> Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. >>> Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you >>> sure >>> helped with that! >>> I have requested the files from NAS! >>> I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. >>> I'm >>> amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my >>> Robert >>> Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more >>> generations. >>> If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd >>> be >>> happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. >>> Thank you >>> Tammy >>> On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: >>> >>> Hello Tammy >>> >>> A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a number >>> > >>> of >>> >>> sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning >>> 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". >>> The >>> >>> mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived >>> in >>> Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the village >>> owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton >>> family. >>> >>> I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) >>> catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to >>> Robert >>> CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded >>> firearms, >>> under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial >>> itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, >>> Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. >>> >>> I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON >>> "for >>> the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at >>> public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref JC26/1822/24. >>> He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is a >>> footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert >>> Charleton, >>> 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. >>> >>> I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute >>> Book >>> >>> series E, as follows: >>> >>> "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, Address: >>> Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as >>> witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - >>> 100 >>> merks Scots >>> William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: Gilmerton, >>> Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. >>> Date >>> >>> of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots >>> John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. >>> Entry >>> relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 >>> May >>> >>> 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", >>> >>> So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some reason >>> > >>> a >>> number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that George >>> THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has happened >>> > >>> to >>> >>> the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But >>> when >>> >>> I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in >>> 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition >>> papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them the >>> various AD/ and JC/ references above. >>> >>> >>> Rhoda >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>> To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" >>> [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" >>> [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM >>> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >>> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Listers, >>> >>> I have found a newspaper clipping from: >>> The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. >>> >>> A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page >>> or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask >>> the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in >>> 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. >>> The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a >>> zoom of 300 I believe) >>> >>> It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding >>> a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s >>> property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed >>> but John Anderson was badly injured. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo >>> tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>> and >>> the >>> body of the message >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >>> 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com >>> 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk >>> 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >>> 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Mary and Tammy Just to say that there are many gaps in Scottish death records before statutory registration was introduced in 1855. The Scotlands People website says this about death and burial records: ''Of all the OPR records, those of deaths and/or burials are acknowledged to be the most sparsely kept. Since there was no requirement to record these, a great many parishes simply did not bother and of those that did, many have not survived. Often the only record that a death has taken place will be implied in the payment of a fee to the parish for the hire of the mortcloth or pall which was draped over the coffin or the body itself for the funeral''. This also suggests that any records would relate to the parish of burial. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Guler" <mlmguler@yahoo.com> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton: Robert Mitchell Hi, Just to try to explore possibilities further, IF our Robert Mitchell, who lived in Gilmerton, traveled for business as a cattle broker, and IF he died in another area of Scotland, might we find the death record somewhere other than in the Midlothian parishes? Would they have carried his remains back to Liberton parish for burial, and therefore this is the only place we would find the records?

Hello again, Tammy Gilmerton is about 5 miles from the centre of Edinburgh. Whilst it is now a suburb of Edinburgh, in the 18th and 19th centuries it would have been one of a number of small communities outside the Edinburgh boundaries. As a farmer near Gilmerton I imagine your Robert would have attended a church nearer to the village. His wife-to-be may have lived in Edinburgh which is why they married at New Greyfriars. There are 2 entries for a Robert Mitchell, Flesher in Edinburgh, in the Wills and Testaments index on Scotlands People. One dated 28/9/1826 (SC70/1/35), Edinburgh Sheriff Court Inventories, and one dated 12/10/1826, Edinburgh Commissary Court (CC8/8/151). A Flesher being a person who sold meat, it is possible that it could be your Robert. Rhoda

Hi Gerry, Interesting name, so while I was just in SP I looked up 1851 Census and 1861 census - all records and did not find anything on your Twiss - Joseph in 1851. There is a John Twiss, age 34, a John age 4 and a Matthew age 2 in 1861 St. Andrews Ed. I also looked for a death record, from 1849 - 1850, nothing for a Joseph. >From 1855 - 2006, the information on the records could confirm relationshiops, these are all the deaths listed for J Twiss 1955 TWISS JAMES M 72 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 2 1944 TWISS JAMES IRELAND M 20 SERVICE AND WAR RETURNS /MINOR RECORDS 3 1865 TWISS JOHN M CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 4 1918 TWISS JOHN M 64 KIRKINTILLOCH /DUNBARTON 5 1942 TWISS JOHN M 59 CANONGATE AND PORTOBELLO EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 6 1946 TWISS JOHN M 88 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 7 2004 TWISS JOHN M 80 GLASGOW GLASGOW/GLASGOW CITY 8 1997 TWISS JOHN COLUMBA M 72 EDINBURGH EDINBURGH/LOTHIAN REGION 9 1950 TWISS JOHN JOSEPH M 69 ST ANDREW EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 1881 Census 1881 TWISS ELIZABETH F 2 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN 2 1881 TWISS JOHN M 23 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN 3 1881 TWISS JOHN M 0 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN 4 1881 TWISS LIZZIE F 19 DALKEITH /MIDLOTHIAN 5 1881 TWISS MARGARET F 16 NEWINGTON EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN 6 1881 TWISS MATTHEW M 20 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN 7 1881 TWISS SUSAN F 22 LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN Good luck hunting your TWISS family down. Liz Dempster Ontario Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:51 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Twiss and Scotland ? > Hey Gerry, > > I did a quick search at scotlands ppl, you sure have your work cut out > for you! > > The only 2 Twiss births listed: > > 4 17/05/1850 TWISS FRANCES JOSEPH TWISS/ELISABETH PEMBLETON > FR3163 FALKIRK /STIRLING 479/ 0110 0464 > 5 23/07/1849 TWISS HELEN SAMUEL TWISS/HELEN TAYLOR FORFAR > /ANGUS 288/ 0060 0417 > > > after that poor result, I was afraid to look up any more! > > Sorry I couldn't be of more help. > > Tammy > > > > On 09/06/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry McGregor wrote: >> Tammy >> >> My family also comes from Gilmerton, they are Twiss. If you come across >> them >> in your investigations I would be interested. >> >> Gerry McGregor >> >> "As long as there are leaves in the forest, >> and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, >> Shall flourish forever." >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Mitchell >> Sent: 09 June 2010 16:25 >> To: midlothian@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >> >> >> Rhoda, >> Thank you for your effort on this, you gave amazing information. >> Seems I've never learned how to use NAS very effectively, and you >> sure >> helped with that! >> I have requested the files from NAS! >> I've never been able to learn much about Gilmerton for some reason. >> I'm >> amazed that this document might help me to learn where exactly my >> Robert >> Mitchell lived, perhaps opening the door to research back more >> generations. >> If you know of any good informational sites regarding Gilmerton, I'd >> be >> happy to know about them. I'm going to send a request to the list. >> Thank you >> Tammy >> On 09/06/2010 4:29 AM, CandROverson wrote: >> >> Hello Tammy >> >> A "black guard" was a scroundrel. If you google it you will find a number >> of >> >> sources for the word. There is an English slang word "blaggard" meaning >> 'scroundrel' which sounds as if it may have derived from "black guard". >> The >> >> mention of William TAIT in the newspaper article is interesting. I lived >> in >> Gilmerton as a child and there was a small provisions shop in the village >> owned by a "Mrs TAIT". I think she came from a long-standing Gilmerton >> family. >> >> I had a look for the trial in the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) >> catalogue and found the precognition (pre-trial papers) relating to >> Robert >> CHARLETON and George THOMSON for the crime of discharging loaded >> firearms, >> under ref: AD/14/21/99. I couldn't find a catalogue entry for the trial >> itself. Robert CHARLETON was a ''Dogbreaker'' of Bruntsfield Links, >> Edinburgh. George THOMSON was a wright who also lived in Edinburgh. >> >> I also found a catalogue entry for the trial papers of George THOMSON >> "for >> the crime of discharging loaded firearms with intent to commit murder at >> public Turnpike Road, Gilmerton, parish of Libberton". Ref JC26/1822/24. >> He was tried on 8 July 1822 and the verdict was 'Not Proven'. There is a >> footnote to the catalogue entry which says: ''See case of Robert >> Charleton, >> 28 May 1821 (see JC8/16/8v)''. >> >> I found a related catalogue reference (JC8/16) in the High Court Minute >> Book >> >> series E, as follows: >> >> "Margaret SCOTT, wife of James SCOTT, farm servant, m.s. MURRAY, Address: >> Gilmerton, Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as >> witness. Date of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - >> 100 >> merks Scots >> William Nimmo STEVENSON, doctor of Medicine, surgeon, Address: Gilmerton, >> Edinburgh. Entry relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. >> Date >> >> of trial: 28 May 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots >> John ANDERSON, labourer, Address: Gilmerton, with John BELL, tailor. >> Entry >> relating to the crime of failure to appear as witness. Date of trial: 28 >> May >> >> 1821, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Fined - 100 merks Scots", >> >> So it seems the main trial date was 28 May 1821 and that for some reason >> a >> number of witnesses didn't turn up, including the Doctor; and that George >> THOMSON was not tried until a year later. I don't know what has happened >> to >> >> the May 1821 trial papers. The NAS should be able to tell you that. But >> when >> >> I obtained papers relating to a trial at the High Court of Justiciary in >> 1836, I found that there was much more information in the precognition >> papers. I suggest that when you contact the NAS you should give them the >> various AD/ and JC/ references above. >> >> >> Rhoda >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tammy Mitchell" [1]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >> To: [2]<midlothian@rootsweb.com>; "Edinburgh Room" >> [3]<EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk>; "Tammy Mitchell" >> [4]<ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:22 AM >> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gilmerton Shooting& Trial - Robert Mitchell& >> Elizabeth Mitchell's Gilmerton Property >> >> >> >> >> Hi Listers, >> >> I have found a newspaper clipping from: >> The Edinburgh Advertiser July 10 1821. >> >> A link to the page is lower down, in case anyone wants to see the page >> or read the article that I want to ask questions about. First I'll ask >> the questions, then I'll comment on the article. Then I'll type in >> 'some' names on the page for others it might assist. >> The article is the entire second column on the page. (best viewed at a >> zoom of 300 I believe) >> >> It is describing a court case that took place on July 9 1821, regarding >> a shooting on Robert Mitchell and Elisabeth (Wier/Weir his wife)'s >> property in Gilmerton, on the date of 18 January 1821. No one was killed >> but John Anderson was badly injured. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [5]MIDLOTHIAN-request@roo >> tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >> and >> the >> body of the message >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >> 2. mailto:midlothian@rootsweb.com >> 3. mailto:EdinburghRoom@edinburgh.gov.uk >> 4. mailto:ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca >> 5. mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Tammy and Gerry You may find the Liberton site on the attached link of interest. I found it by googling Gilmerton Parish Church which seems to have closed within the last 10 years. I was trying to find out old it was. But Gilmerton appears to have been within the parish of Liberton at the end of the 18th century and may not have had its own church then. See: http://www.ancestor.abel.co.uk/lib/marrc.html Rhoda