The LDS site was not working for a while because they were performing maintenance. You may want to try again. Jacquie -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Westergaard Sent: June 21, 2010 12:54 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SEASTON children from IGI Hi This did not work for me - could you give me the URL of the search page you are using. Ian Westergaard New Zealand

I should have included the website on my last message. Sorry. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Menu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquie" <jjjcmj@mymts.net> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SEASTON children from IGI > The LDS site was not working for a while because they were performing > maintenance. You may want to try again. > > Jacquie > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Westergaard > Sent: June 21, 2010 12:54 PM > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SEASTON children from IGI > > Hi > > This did not work for me - could you give me the URL of the search page > you > are using. > > Ian Westergaard > New Zealand > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try the Hugh Wallis IGI site. I only contains extractions and not submissions to the IGI (and is therefore, more accurate). Click on the hot link under "What is a Batch? and then select the country you are searching. >From there you can go to the county, and then to the parishes. Once you have selected the parish, you will get to a page that asks for your search criteria. I don't fill in the box with a name, I just click on Submit Query, and I all of the records for that parish in those time frames. Much easier than going thru the Family Search IGI and weeding out the submissions, which may be inaccurate. Lynne in Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquie" <jjjcmj@mymts.net> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SEASTON children from IGI > The LDS site was not working for a while because they were performing > maintenance. You may want to try again. > > Jacquie > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Westergaard > Sent: June 21, 2010 12:54 PM > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SEASTON children from IGI > > Hi > > This did not work for me - could you give me the URL of the search page > you > are using. > > Ian Westergaard > New Zealand > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Neville Rasmussen wrote: > Thanx so much for that information and no I don't know how to get the > children out of the IGI. Hello Neville I thought all my birthdays had come at once when I found I could list the childrens names. What a great help it is. To list the children of a couple on the IGI go onto familysearch.org I shall use your John SEATON and Margaret PATRICK as an example. Enter ONLY the following fields, no dates. Father - John SEATON Mother - Margaret PATRICK Region - British Isles Country - Scotland Click on SEARCH. The following children should be listed: John Patrick Seaton b. 17 May 1860 Inveresk with Musselburgh, ML William Seaton b. 24 June 1865 Inveresk with Musselburgh, ML Margaret Seaton b. 27 June 1863 Inveresk with Musselburgh, ML. You will note that they don't always come up in date order. Let me know how you get on. Sheila.

Hi Lynne You can buy parts of these records. Go to the "what now" (image of question mark with green boarder) link on the return search pages, and it tells you how to contact them. Give them a bit of background info, with his wives and childrens names, where he lived etc... They will give you a quote for getting the entire file, but for me, when I ordered from them, they broke it down and just let me buy the part I was interested in (when I bought a court file re my family) it only cost 10 pounds. If you tell them you want to pay by credit card, they send you an email address to send them your cc info. Just be sure, since they don't have a secure site that you break up your cc info into 2 emails, or you can call them too. They are quite good there! Tammy On 20/06/2010 11:11 AM, Lynne Ingalls wrote: > Jacquie - I am just finding these records you mentioned. I had never looke > at the NAS On-line Catalogue for Duncan McCarter. I suppose the 1818 Duncan > McLearter file could refer to my Duncan McCarter expect it says he's from > Glasgow. That's a bit of a trek from Whittingehame without a car. I > suppose if he were a hawker, he could have traveled about, but his records > show he was a labourer (probably agricultural). Of course, he could have > been a lad of many professions. I will have to hunt around for other > records of a Duncan McCarter/McLearter in the Glasgow area to either rule > out or make a match. I'm slowly going thru the incredible amounts of > information sent to me with regard to Duncan. I am feeling much more > hopeful that I will find a connection somewhere. > > Thanks again for this tip. I may spend the day going the the NAS database! > > Lynne in Tucson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacquie"<jjjcmj@mymts.net> > To:<midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 1:37 PM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter > > > >> A possibility that you might want to check out - the National Archives of >> Scotland has some files regarding a Duncan McCarter/McLearter who was >> tried >> for theft. The first file is from 1818 and he is listed as Duncan >> McLearter, >> alias McCarter, labourer and hawker, formerly seaman, Address: Glasgow >> (reference AD14/18/157). There are also two files from 1820 in which he is >> referred to as Duncan McCarter, Address: Edinburgh (reference AD14/20/85) >> and as Duncan McCarter, alias McArthur, travelling hawker, Address: >> Ayrshire >> (reference AD14/20/184). There is a record at Ancestry for a Duncan >> McCarter/McArthur who was convicted on 25 Apr 1826 in Glasgow and >> transported on 21 Sep 1826. The record says his sentence was life. >> Unfortunately it doesn't say how old that Duncan is in the NAS summaries >> or >> on the transportation record. >> >> Jacquie >> Winnipeg, MB >> Canada >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Neville, I have had another look at the Seatons on the IGI. John Seaton married Margaret PATRICK on 31 December 1858 in Edinburgh. Their children were: John Patrick Seaton b. 17 May 1860 in Inveresk w. Musselburgh Margaret Seaton b. 1863 William b. 24 June 1865 all Inveresk. The records are extracted not submitted so you'll be ok there. Do you know how to find the children of a couple on the IGI Family Search? Sheila. Neville Rasmussen wrote: > Greetings All! > > I have just joined this list as part of my efforts in tracing the Scottish side of the family. My particular interest is The Seaton family who lived in and around the Edinburgh area > > William Seaton (commercial traveller) can't find his birth date. He emigrated to South Africa in 1900/01. He was married to a Jane Chalmers Sandilands b1870 d1901 in SA. They had 4 children William, Mina, Charles and James (born in SA). > > John Seaton (father of William) (shoemaker) b1829 d1899 Married to a Margaret Patrick b1839 can't find her death date > > William Seaton (father of John) birth and death sought is listed as deceased on son Johns marriage record in 1859, he married Elizabeth Bell b1801 can't find death record > > William Seaton father of William no details married to a Jacobina Brown no details > > Some of the wives came from further afield in East Lothian, Berwick and Coldstream but the Seaton men seem to all come from Cannongate, Inveresk, Leith parishes of Midlothian. > > In which records am I likely to find any siblings of these Seaton men? > > Many thanx > > Neville Rasmussen > jimmyjamjar@cybersmart.co.za > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Neville William SETON (sic) married Jacobina BROWN on 19 September 1789 at Newhaven, Midlothian. They had 8 children. The names and dates have all been submitted to the IGI by a member of the Mormon Church. Sheila. Neville Rasmussen wrote: > Greetings All! > > I have just joined this list as part of my efforts in tracing the Scottish side of the family. My particular interest is The Seaton family who lived in and around the Edinburgh area > > William Seaton (commercial traveller) can't find his birth date. He emigrated to South Africa in 1900/01. He was married to a Jane Chalmers Sandilands b1870 d1901 in SA. They had 4 children William, Mina, Charles and James (born in SA). > > John Seaton (father of William) (shoemaker) b1829 d1899 Married to a Margaret Patrick b1839 can't find her death date > > William Seaton (father of John) birth and death sought is listed as deceased on son Johns marriage record in 1859, he married Elizabeth Bell b1801 can't find death record > > William Seaton father of William no details married to a Jacobina Brown no details > > Some of the wives came from further afield in East Lothian, Berwick and Coldstream but the Seaton men seem to all come from Cannongate, Inveresk, Leith parishes of Midlothian. > > In which records am I likely to find any siblings of these Seaton men? > >

Greetings All! I have just joined this list as part of my efforts in tracing the Scottish side of the family. My particular interest is The Seaton family who lived in and around the Edinburgh area William Seaton (commercial traveller) can't find his birth date. He emigrated to South Africa in 1900/01. He was married to a Jane Chalmers Sandilands b1870 d1901 in SA. They had 4 children William, Mina, Charles and James (born in SA). John Seaton (father of William) (shoemaker) b1829 d1899 Married to a Margaret Patrick b1839 can't find her death date William Seaton (father of John) birth and death sought is listed as deceased on son Johns marriage record in 1859, he married Elizabeth Bell b1801 can't find death record William Seaton father of William no details married to a Jacobina Brown no details Some of the wives came from further afield in East Lothian, Berwick and Coldstream but the Seaton men seem to all come from Cannongate, Inveresk, Leith parishes of Midlothian. In which records am I likely to find any siblings of these Seaton men? Many thanx Neville Rasmussen jimmyjamjar@cybersmart.co.za

Jacquie - I am just finding these records you mentioned. I had never looke at the NAS On-line Catalogue for Duncan McCarter. I suppose the 1818 Duncan McLearter file could refer to my Duncan McCarter expect it says he's from Glasgow. That's a bit of a trek from Whittingehame without a car. I suppose if he were a hawker, he could have traveled about, but his records show he was a labourer (probably agricultural). Of course, he could have been a lad of many professions. I will have to hunt around for other records of a Duncan McCarter/McLearter in the Glasgow area to either rule out or make a match. I'm slowly going thru the incredible amounts of information sent to me with regard to Duncan. I am feeling much more hopeful that I will find a connection somewhere. Thanks again for this tip. I may spend the day going the the NAS database! Lynne in Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquie" <jjjcmj@mymts.net> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter >A possibility that you might want to check out - the National Archives of > Scotland has some files regarding a Duncan McCarter/McLearter who was > tried > for theft. The first file is from 1818 and he is listed as Duncan > McLearter, > alias McCarter, labourer and hawker, formerly seaman, Address: Glasgow > (reference AD14/18/157). There are also two files from 1820 in which he is > referred to as Duncan McCarter, Address: Edinburgh (reference AD14/20/85) > and as Duncan McCarter, alias McArthur, travelling hawker, Address: > Ayrshire > (reference AD14/20/184). There is a record at Ancestry for a Duncan > McCarter/McArthur who was convicted on 25 Apr 1826 in Glasgow and > transported on 21 Sep 1826. The record says his sentence was life. > Unfortunately it doesn't say how old that Duncan is in the NAS summaries > or > on the transportation record. > > Jacquie > Winnipeg, MB > Canada

Hello List I am researching a Marriage between James Redpath and Agnes Manderson who Married 25 July 1823 in Whitekirk and Tyninghame, East Lothian . Agnes was the daughter of James Manderson and Jean Bridges who married 27 Jul 1804 in Edinburgh Parish. The Redpath line I have until 1881,. so it is the Manderson , Bridge lines I am interested in. Thank You in Advance Bob The list for Midlothian states Midlothian ,East Lothian and West Lothian

Jacquie - I had a look at the transport records on Ancestry, and they show two Duncan McArthur's transported from Glasgow: 1) Duncan McCarter/McArthur transported from Glasgow to Australia in 1826 for life, and 2) another Duncan McArthur transported to Australia in 1831 for seven years. Are those the records you are referring to? I do not find a third Duncan McCarter record for 1818. Both of these men would have been too late for my Duncan. He disappeared in 1817. Duncan's wife was expecting their last child, George McCarter who was born 27April 1817 at Ruchlaw Mains, Whittingehame. Someone paid for a mortcloth for his daughter, M[ary] McCarter 13 July 1817 in Whittingehame parish. His widow began collecting from the poor accounts in August 1817 and continued collecting until her death. There seem to have been more deaths listed in the summer of 1817 at Whittingehame, so I expect there was some type of sickness that went thru the village. I have assumed that Duncan died then, but it is always possible something else happened. If you could tell me where you found the reference to the third Duncan McCarter dated 1818, I would much appreciate it. Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquie" <jjjcmj@mymts.net> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter > The records at Ancestry indicated that Duncan McCarter/McArthur was > transported to and died in New South Wales. The Australian Convict > Transportation Records at Ancestry are dated from 1791 to 1868. The three > court records I referenced seem to be the same man and the first one was > dated 1818 but the transportation date wasn't until 1826. The > district/parish where he died in 1836 was Liverpool which I understand is > close to Sydney. > > Jacquie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynne Ingalls > Sent: June 19, 2010 1:25 PM > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter > > Duncan disappeared or died in 1817. I don't think > emigration to Australia began until 1820, and I don't know when prisoners > began to be transported to Tasmania, but I think it was much later than > 1817. Perhaps he could have been sent to Canada or So Africa. > > I suppose Duncan could have abandoned his family, but my gut feeling is > that > > he died. Its not that important to my research as I'm looking for his > lineage and will probably have to go thru collateral relatives to figure > it > out. It would be interesting to know though. > > Lynne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Had to look that one up! Van Diemens Land was colonised by the British in 1803 as a penal colony. It became part of British Colony of NSW. In 1824 it became a colony in its own right. Sheila. CandROverson wrote: > Hi Lynne > > I think that transportation to Australia began at the end of the 18th > century. But I think you are probably right that transportation to Tasmania > (or Van Diemens Land as it was then) began some years later, once NSW began > to get a bit full up! >

The records at Ancestry indicated that Duncan McCarter/McArthur was transported to and died in New South Wales. The Australian Convict Transportation Records at Ancestry are dated from 1791 to 1868. The three court records I referenced seem to be the same man and the first one was dated 1818 but the transportation date wasn't until 1826. The district/parish where he died in 1836 was Liverpool which I understand is close to Sydney. Jacquie -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynne Ingalls Sent: June 19, 2010 1:25 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter Duncan disappeared or died in 1817. I don't think emigration to Australia began until 1820, and I don't know when prisoners began to be transported to Tasmania, but I think it was much later than 1817. Perhaps he could have been sent to Canada or So Africa. I suppose Duncan could have abandoned his family, but my gut feeling is that he died. Its not that important to my research as I'm looking for his lineage and will probably have to go thru collateral relatives to figure it out. It would be interesting to know though. Lynne

Hi Lynne I think that transportation to Australia began at the end of the 18th century. But I think you are probably right that transportation to Tasmania (or Van Diemens Land as it was then) began some years later, once NSW began to get a bit full up! How certain are you that your Duncan was born in or near Dunbar? Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter ...... Duncan disappeared or died in 1817. I don't think > emigration to Australia began until 1820, and I don't know when prisoners > began to be transported to Tasmania, but I think it was much later than > 1817. Perhaps he could have been sent to Canada or So Africa. > > I suppose Duncan could have abandoned his family, but my gut feeling is > that > he died. Its not that important to my research as I'm looking for his > lineage and will probably have to go thru collateral relatives to figure > it > out. It would be interesting to know though. > > Lynne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 3:38 AM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter > > >> My GGG Grandfather was transported to Tasmania for life in 1836. He was >> still alive (in Tasmania) in 1853 but his wife was entered as a Widow in >> the >> 1851 (Cupar, Fife) Census. >> >> Rhoda >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jacquie" <jjjcmj@mymts.net> >> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 2:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter >> >> >>> If Duncan abandoned his family would Agnes be listed as being widowed? >>> >>> Jacquie >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Oops. I meant 1790's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter > Rhoda - I am not at all sure where Duncan was born. Both of his wives > were > born in Dunbar. He and maybe a brother, John show up in the records in > the > late 1890's, but I have no idea of his age or his birth. > > Lynne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 11:45 AM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter > > >> Hi Lynne >> >> I think that transportation to Australia began at the end of the 18th >> century. But I think you are probably right that transportation to >> Tasmania >> (or Van Diemens Land as it was then) began some years later, once NSW >> began >> to get a bit full up! >> >> How certain are you that your Duncan was born in or near Dunbar? >> >> Rhoda >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> >> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 7:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter >> >> ...... Duncan disappeared or died in 1817. I don't think >>> emigration to Australia began until 1820, and I don't know when >>> prisoners >>> began to be transported to Tasmania, but I think it was much later than >>> 1817. Perhaps he could have been sent to Canada or So Africa. >>> >>> I suppose Duncan could have abandoned his family, but my gut feeling is >>> that >>> he died. Its not that important to my research as I'm looking for his >>> lineage and will probably have to go thru collateral relatives to figure >>> it >>> out. It would be interesting to know though. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> >>> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 3:38 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter >>> >>> >>>> My GGG Grandfather was transported to Tasmania for life in 1836. He was >>>> still alive (in Tasmania) in 1853 but his wife was entered as a Widow >>>> in >>>> the >>>> 1851 (Cupar, Fife) Census. >>>> >>>> Rhoda >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jacquie" <jjjcmj@mymts.net> >>>> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 2:21 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter >>>> >>>> >>>>> If Duncan abandoned his family would Agnes be listed as being widowed? >>>>> >>>>> Jacquie >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Irene I have no connections with any of your families, but you should be able to find out quite a lot about the Penningtons by using the Scotlands People website. It is a pay site, but PENNINGTON is a fairly uncommon name in Scotland, so you should be able to find out quite a lot without spending too much money. For example, the marriage index has a George PENNINGTON marrying an Annie WOOD in Edinburgh in 1877. There is also a John PENNINGTON marrying a Jane SMITH in Edinburgh in 1878. The images of both marriage entries may be downloaded on the site (this may not be your John if he married an 'Agnes'). The birth index includes the birth of a Jessie McQueen Ross PENNINGTON in Edinburgh in 1902. The image of the entry is available to download. And the death index has the death of Henry Arthur PENNINGTON aged 71 in Edinburgh in 1935. The image is available to download. Henry Arthur PENNINGTON junior died in Edinburgh in 1974 aged 79. The image is not available for privacy reasons, and you would need to order the certificate from the General Register Office for Scotland. I only looked for these few. There are probably many more to be found on the BMD indexes. See: www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Rhoda ---- Original Message ----- From: <IPollands@aol.com> To: <Midlothian-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:29 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Pennington, Dewar, Ross families > Is anyone working on any of the following? > > John PENNINGTON married Margaret DEWAR in Edinburgh in 1845. > > Their children were: > > Margaret - 1851 > George - 1856 > John Lorimer - 1858 (married an Agnes) > Alexander McAndrew - 1861 > > Henry Arthur - 1863 > >

Rhoda - I am not at all sure where Duncan was born. Both of his wives were born in Dunbar. He and maybe a brother, John show up in the records in the late 1890's, but I have no idea of his age or his birth. Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter > Hi Lynne > > I think that transportation to Australia began at the end of the 18th > century. But I think you are probably right that transportation to > Tasmania > (or Van Diemens Land as it was then) began some years later, once NSW > began > to get a bit full up! > > How certain are you that your Duncan was born in or near Dunbar? > > Rhoda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 7:24 PM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter > > ...... Duncan disappeared or died in 1817. I don't think >> emigration to Australia began until 1820, and I don't know when prisoners >> began to be transported to Tasmania, but I think it was much later than >> 1817. Perhaps he could have been sent to Canada or So Africa. >> >> I suppose Duncan could have abandoned his family, but my gut feeling is >> that >> he died. Its not that important to my research as I'm looking for his >> lineage and will probably have to go thru collateral relatives to figure >> it >> out. It would be interesting to know though. >> >> Lynne >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> >> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 3:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter >> >> >>> My GGG Grandfather was transported to Tasmania for life in 1836. He was >>> still alive (in Tasmania) in 1853 but his wife was entered as a Widow in >>> the >>> 1851 (Cupar, Fife) Census. >>> >>> Rhoda >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jacquie" <jjjcmj@mymts.net> >>> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 2:21 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter >>> >>> >>>> If Duncan abandoned his family would Agnes be listed as being widowed? >>>> >>>> Jacquie >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My GGG Grandfather was transported to Tasmania for life in 1836. He was still alive (in Tasmania) in 1853 but his wife was entered as a Widow in the 1851 (Cupar, Fife) Census. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquie" <jjjcmj@mymts.net> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 2:21 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter > If Duncan abandoned his family would Agnes be listed as being widowed? > > Jacquie >

I have no reason to think Duncan left his family or that he was transported. The money collected and paid out from the Whittingehame parish poor fund specifically mentions each person receiving assistance. Some are women listed alone, or women and children, or widows and children, or orphans. For example, money was paid out to Jean Allen and daughter, in distress; Widow Douglas, Susan Nielans, Christian Bertram, Mary Brown, and Widow McCarter's children and Widow McCarter's rent. I should think the church elders were consistent in their description - either the woman was a widow or she was not. I don't know about the census takers - whether they were all consistent in their entries - or whether other parishes listed women and widows differently. Duncan disappeared or died in 1817. I don't think emigration to Australia began until 1820, and I don't know when prisoners began to be transported to Tasmania, but I think it was much later than 1817. Perhaps he could have been sent to Canada or So Africa. I suppose Duncan could have abandoned his family, but my gut feeling is that he died. Its not that important to my research as I'm looking for his lineage and will probably have to go thru collateral relatives to figure it out. It would be interesting to know though. Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter > My GGG Grandfather was transported to Tasmania for life in 1836. He was > still alive (in Tasmania) in 1853 but his wife was entered as a Widow in > the > 1851 (Cupar, Fife) Census. > > Rhoda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacquie" <jjjcmj@mymts.net> > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 2:21 AM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter > > >> If Duncan abandoned his family would Agnes be listed as being widowed? >> >> Jacquie >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You can buy the records from NAS. Contact them ask them for a quote - provide the file numbers. I got the Robert Mitchell/ Elizabeth Mitchell (court case, ordered and paid for within a day, and in the mail) I've ordered from them before, very good! Tammy On 18/06/2010 1:46 PM, Jacquie wrote: > Further to my earlier post (below), that Duncan McCarter/McArthur was > transported on the Albion. I found a convict death register entry in New > South Wales for Duncan McArthur who was on the Albion. He died in a hospital > on 17 Dec 1838 at the age of 62. That would give that Duncan a birth year > pretty close to the year of the Duncan in the LDS family tree submission > that I referred to. > > Jacquie > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jacquie > Sent: June 18, 2010 3:38 PM > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Duncan M'Carter > > A possibility that you might want to check out - the National Archives of > Scotland has some files regarding a Duncan McCarter/McLearter who was tried > for theft. The first file is from 1818 and he is listed as Duncan McLearter, > alias McCarter, labourer and hawker, formerly seaman, Address: Glasgow > (reference AD14/18/157). There are also two files from 1820 in which he is > referred to as Duncan McCarter, Address: Edinburgh (reference AD14/20/85) > and as Duncan McCarter, alias McArthur, travelling hawker, Address: Ayrshire > (reference AD14/20/184). There is a record at Ancestry for a Duncan > McCarter/McArthur who was convicted on 25 Apr 1826 in Glasgow and > transported on 21 Sep 1826. The record says his sentence was life. > Unfortunately it doesn't say how old that Duncan is in the NAS summaries or > on the transportation record. > > Jacquie > Winnipeg, MB > Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >