I have a big problem! There are no living males left in my Mitchell surname line. All the children of male Mitchell's were adopted, due to all the male children of my grandfather having the mumps as adults, thus becoming sterile. I follow this Aberdeen list, because I've had possible connections to people in Aberdeen, altho the line I speak about here are from Midlothian. (Edinburgh). I've researched them back to 1770 from that area, where they seem to have been for many hundred years. I have acquired my uncle's watch. He passed away in 2002 and it has been sealed up in a baggie since before he died. On the watch band, there is a bit of 'gunk' and quite a bit where the watch meets the band. I have contacted a scientist in Edinburgh, he said there is no doubt some DNA there that can be extracted. I really want to get the DNA, specifically the Y, tested. Can anyone point me to an AFFORDABLE way to do this. So far I was quoted almost 1000.00 usd. I have over 192 Mitchell's in my family tree who could (well are) related to this man, from that area. I think getting this DNA tested will at least keep that door open for other people as well as myself, since there are no more males. I'd hate to see this line totally 'disappear' without this chance! Any and all tips greatly welcome, Thank you Tammy Mitchell BC Canada Ps: I have Bissett's in my tree, who are from fife area, the name was used in my tree for a few generations, but I've only found it as a middle name, not a surname, altho passed along alot. The middle name always goes with the surname Amess. I have Amess who married Sutherland. On 09/07/2010 5:46 AM, Ray Forsberg wrote: > Hi all, > > Just one more little bit of info which may be of assistance; if you > are thinking of doing Y-DNA testing, it pays to go the whole hog, > i.e., don't just do 12 or 25 or even 37 markers (although 37 is better > than 12!). At 12 markers we have over 100 exact matches all of > differing surnames; at 25 markers we are down to just 4 - just two > surnames; at 37 we are down to just one surname and very close > matches; at 67 we have just one close seven generation match and a > haplogroup which gives us the exact subclade (very small group of > people) to which we belong. It costs more to do this bit by bit, so > go for the whole test plus the deep clade test from the start if you > want some meaningful information. > > This has given us the name of our male line which has been hidden to > the family since 1857 - well worth it! > > Cheers, > > Carol > > On 9 July 2010 12:13, Venita Roylance<venitar@mac.com> wrote: > >> As for DNA testing, I was one of the first to donate my blood for it. It was so early in the testing that they took a vial of blood, not just a mouth swab. So my data is in the pot. Since I am a female it isn't used as much as some, but I feel I did my part for research. >> >> Venita >> >> >> On Jul 8, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Lorne&Judy wrote: >> >> >>> Hello, >>> If others are interested in seeing what a DNA search project is about, I >>> would suggest that you look up Dennis WEST DNA Project. It really gives a >>> good idea, and explains what this is all about. >>> Yes, this new test, is quite a bit more expensive that the Y DNA testing. >>> There were no other Male lines in my husband's family to test, and so they >>> suggested this test with an Aunt of the family. My husband was adopted, and >>> this will prove ( although we know from his birth mother that this is the >>> correct Birthfather's family), that he is connected to not only this Aunt, >>> but cousins etc. etc. of other family members also. I believe the cost >>> though, was something like $289.00 U.S. each. So, a little prohibitive with >>> some. >>> Judy Anderson nee STABLES >>> B.C. Canada >>> lorneanderson@shaw.ca >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joe Bissett"<jbissett@hot-peppers.com> >>> To:<aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:14 AM >>> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lines of Ascent...... and DNA >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Mark, >>>> >>>> I definitely am NOT trying to be argumentative. Rather, I hope my >>>> responses are taken as an attempt by me to inform others about what I >>>> have learned. I must also state for the record that I have become a >>>> genealogy DNA evangelist. >>>> >>>> On 7/8/2010 7:56 AM, Mark Sutherland-Fisher wrote: >>>> >>>>> DNA may help break down some of these brick walls, but sadly for most of >>>>> us, all too few of them. >>>>> >>>> With all due respect, from your informative note I must disagree. It >>>> seems to me, from my experience, that you are a perfect candidate for >>>> Y-DNA 37 marker testing. Many folks have not yet learned that a non-match >>>> can be just as informative as a match. This is particularly true if the >>>> tester's results match those of someone with a different surname. Such a >>>> result can possibly lead to clues to break through the fog of what we call >>>> "Non Paternal Events" (NPE). I have such a situation in my own family, >>>> and our only hope now appears to be to wait for a future match. And that >>>> is the main problem confronting those of us having submitted tests. The >>>> databases are still relatively small. For example, my own BISSETT >>>> project. Out of the hundreds, perhaps thousands of BISSETTs who post to >>>> genealogy message boards, only eight have tested so far for our project. >>>> The more folks test, the higher the likelihood of others enjoying the >>>> success that I found. >>>> >>>>> As far as I understand it to be, only the direct male and direct female >>>>> ancestors can be linked through current DNA testing. >>>>> >>>> This is no longer the case. FTDNA is now offering a new test called >>>> "Family Finder", which matches both male and female "cousins" back 3 (90%) >>>> to 5 (10%) generations. Obviously the probability of the validity of the >>>> match decreases by generation; however, this technology is very new, and >>>> can only improve. My "guru" who administers the Rootsweb PIGGOTT list >>>> submitted his test. To his great pleasure, the test unveiled a female >>>> ancestor among the Pennsylvania Dutch; an ancestor he had suspected, but >>>> was now proven. I submitted this test as well, but my results so far are >>>> still without a tie-in. With this test in particular, the fact that it is >>>> so new limits immediate success. >>>> >>>> I now refer to DNA testing as a "post and forget" test. Every day that >>>> passes more and more people are submitting test kits. I suspect that as >>>> the months and years progress, I will receive other notifications that my >>>> results have matched with some other researcher, and my knowledge of my >>>> lines (both paternal and maternal) will be increased accordingly. >>>> Respectfully, Joe Bissett, Somerset, Texas, USA

Hi Bob I don't know I Margaret but I have an unconfirmed relative, Lilias Porteous. She married William Dingwall. I think Lilias was born around 1791 and died about 1884. They had a daughter Elizabeth born in Liberton, Midlothian. Gerry McGregor "As long as there are leaves in the forest, and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, Shall flourish forever." -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of robertgascoigne Sent: 08 July 2010 12:05 To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Margaret PORTEOUS Hello List I am seeking a Margaret Porteous born abt 1814 in Gifford, East Lothian. Margaret married Archibald Waldie 14 May 1836 in Whitekirk and Tyningham, East Lothian.. Archibald was from Crichton , Midlothian. Any information on Margaret will be most welcome, I believe her parents to be Thomas Porteous and Christian Thomson but have no proof. Thank You in Advance Bob ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was unable to find the birth for Margaret but did find other children born to Porteous/Thomson and the children of the Waldie/Porteous match. Bob Cdn ------------------------------------- PORTEOUS Alexander Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 25 Sep 1815 Christening Date: 17 Dec 1815 Recorded in: Yester East Lothian Scotland Father: Thomas PORTEOUS Mother: Christian THOMSON Source: FHL Film 1067864 Dates: 1654 - 1855 PORTEOUS Agnes Halden Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 22 Jul 1819 Christening Date: 29 Aug 1819 Recorded in: Yester East Lothian Scotland Father: Thomas PORTEOUS Mother: Christian THOMSON Source: FHL Film 1067864 Dates: 1654 - 1855 PORTEOUS Cathrine Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 30 Jun 1821 Christening Date: 12 Aug 1821 Recorded in: Yester East Lothian Scotland Father: Thomas PORTEOUS Mother: Christian THOMSON Source: FHL Film 1067864 Dates: 1654 - 1855 PORTEOUS Martin Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 24 Oct 1823 Christening Date: 1 Dec 1823 Recorded in: Yester East Lothian Scotland Father: Thomas PORTEOUS Mother: Christian THOMSON Source: FHL Film 1067864 Dates: 1654 - 1855 PORTEOUS John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 8 Jul 1825 Christening Date: 18 Sep 1825 Recorded in: Yester East Lothian Scotland Father: Thomas PORTEOUS Mother: Christian THOMSON Source: FHL Film 1067864 Dates: 1654 - 1855 PORTEOUS Janet Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 19 Mar 1828 Christening Date: 13 May 1828 Recorded in: Yester East Lothian Scotland Father: Thomas PORTEOUS Mother: Christian THOMSON Source: FHL Film 1067864 Dates: 1654 - 1855 WALDIE Christian Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 29 Jul 1835 Christening Date: 14 Aug 1835 Recorded in: Whitekirk East Lothian Scotland Father: Archibald WALDIE Mother: Margaret PORTEOUS Source: FHL Film 1067862 Dates: 1695 - 1855 WALDIE George Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 21 Apr 1838 Christening Date: 11 May 1838 Recorded in: Whitekirk East Lothian Scotland Father: Archibald WALDIE Mother: Margaret PORTEOUS Source: FHL Film 1067862 Dates: 1695 - 1855 WALDIE Thomas Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 26 Aug 1840 Christening Date: 16 Sep 1840 Recorded in: Whitekirk East Lothian Scotland Father: Archibald WALDIE Mother: Margaret PORTEOUS Source: FHL Film 1067862 Dates: 1695 - 1855 WALDIE Alexander Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 29 Jul 1843 Christening Date: 20 Aug 1843 Recorded in: Whitekirk East Lothian Scotland Father: Archibald WALDIE Mother: Margaret PORTEOUS Source: FHL Film 1067862 Dates: 1695 - 1855 WALDIE John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 8 Jul 1846 Christening Date: 22 Aug 1846 Recorded in: Whitekirk East Lothian Scotland Father: Archibald WALDIE Mother: Margaret PORTEOUS Source: FHL Film 1067862 Dates: 1695 - 1855 WALDIE Archibald Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 14 Oct 1849 Christening Date: 9 Dec 1849 Recorded in: Whitekirk East Lothian Scotland Father: Archibald WALDIE Mother: Margaret PORTEOUS Source: FHL Film 1067862 Dates: 1695 - 1855 =========================== On 08/07/2010 5:05 AM, robertgascoigne wrote:.... I am seeking a Margaret Porteous born abt 1814 in Gifford, East Lothian. Margaret married Archibald Waldie 14 May 1836 in Whitekirk and Tyningham, East Lothian.. Archibald was from Crichton , Midlothian. Any information on Margaret will be most welcome, I believe her parents to be Thomas Porteous and Christian Thomson but have no proof.... ==========================

Hello List I am seeking a Margaret Porteous born abt 1814 in Gifford, East Lothian. Margaret married Archibald Waldie 14 May 1836 in Whitekirk and Tyningham, East Lothian.. Archibald was from Crichton , Midlothian. Any information on Margaret will be most welcome, I believe her parents to be Thomas Porteous and Christian Thomson but have no proof. Thank You in Advance Bob

In the following banns item found in the Canongate Parish records, it refers to Jean DUNDASS as a "wright and portioner". She was 16 at the time of the banns. Would a woman have been a wright? What's the possibility that this is referring to her father and the "daughter of Alexander Dundas" was omitted? April 1778 Dundas Jean daughter to Alexander DUNDAS Coach maker and his spouse Margaret WATSON had a daughter Born 20th Baptised 26th Witnes Wm Dunbar weaver and Geroge McKenzie 2 August 1794 Adam LINDSAY Coach Maker Residenter & Jean DUNDASS Wright & Portioner in this parish, gave up their names for Marriage -- Patty Lindsay

Hi Elinor, Thanks for the contact. My Michael Dunn was Irish, living in Scotland. On the 1841 census, he was listed in a household in Kirkintilloch, married Catherine McGuire (McWare on the census) somewhere around then, and died May 7, 1851 in Maybole. Catherine remarried to John Roddy between 1851 and 1853. I cannot seem to find anything about Michael Dunn except his death record. The Irish genealogical site told me that if I didn't know where he was from, I had little chance of finding anything about him. I can only hope to stumble upon someone who knows who he is! Best regards, Claire Rosenberger -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elinor1@sympatico.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:39 AM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Dun site Hi Claire, I have a Michael Dunn, son of John Dunn and Mary Robertson, born abt. 1837 Airth, Stirlingshire married to Elizabeth Hutton. Best wishes, Elinor Rennie. > From: claire@cooperinstruments.com > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:32:20 -0400 > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Dun site > > Thank you so much for the Dun site! I may be able to find my long-lost gg > grandfather Mick Dunn now! > > Regards, > Claire Rosenberger > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 1:35 PM > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Kinnaird, Redpath,DUN,Manderson,Thomson,Borland > > Hi Bob > > This is quite a good site if you have the name DUN/DUNN in your ancestry (my > > 4xGt Grandmother was a DUN from, or living in, > Perthshire). > > See: http://www.dun.org.uk/ > > Rhoda > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Toni, Nottingham, England. Myself & all Burton Ancestors born in Nottingham as far back as 2nd Gt Grandfather, Sylvester Burton b. 1812. Our 3rd Gt Grandfather, Joseph Burton, married in Nottingham in 1796 but was not born in Nottinghamshire. As he married a Derbyshire Girl, Elizabeth Featherstone, we surmise that Joseph may have been a Derbyshire man - but there is no proof of this. Best wishes, Tony -------------------------------------------------- From: "Trena" <amheater@cogeco.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:39 PM To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Symbolism in Family Trees >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tony Burton >> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Symbolism in Family Trees > > A shot in the dark Tony, but nothing ventured, nothing gained ... > > Where do your BURTONs originate? > > Cheers ~ Toni > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Claire, I have a Michael Dunn, son of John Dunn and Mary Robertson, born abt. 1837 Airth, Stirlingshire married to Elizabeth Hutton. Best wishes, Elinor Rennie. > From: claire@cooperinstruments.com > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:32:20 -0400 > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Dun site > > Thank you so much for the Dun site! I may be able to find my long-lost gg > grandfather Mick Dunn now! > > Regards, > Claire Rosenberger > > -----Original Message----- > From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 1:35 PM > To: midlothian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Kinnaird, Redpath,DUN,Manderson,Thomson,Borland > > Hi Bob > > This is quite a good site if you have the name DUN/DUNN in your ancestry (my > > 4xGt Grandmother was a DUN from, or living in, > Perthshire). > > See: http://www.dun.org.uk/ > > Rhoda > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the suggestion Lynne - but no I don't think it's a formatting error. The printed tree concerned is in a book and contains over 70 names. The odd thing is that in one family of nine children, seven of them are shown as married, with four of the seven using the symbol 'm' and the other three using this 'm with a forward slash superimposed' The same symbol occurs in other families BUT not in all cases in the same family. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 4:05 PM To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Symbolism in Family Trees > Tony - It sound like a formatting error, perhaps particular to Family > Tree > Maker software. > > Lynne in Tucson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Burton" <burton-tony@sky.com> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:57 AM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Symbolism in Family Trees > > >> Hi list, A bit of technical information if anyone can help please. I >> have recently come across a printed Family Tree where the various >> marriages are shown in three ways. >> 1. Fred Bloggs m Lovely Rita 2. Fred Bloggs = Lovely Rita 3. >> Fred >> Bloggs m/ Lovely Rita (In this third instance the forward slash is >> superimposed on top of the small letter m, as if crossing it out.) >> >> The first two formats I have come across before but not the third. I'm >> wondering if this indicates a marriage that ended in divorce ? If not, >> can anyone please tell me what it does indicate ? Many thanks and best >> wishes, Tony Burton. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list, A bit of technical information if anyone can help please. I have recently come across a printed Family Tree where the various marriages are shown in three ways. 1. Fred Bloggs m Lovely Rita 2. Fred Bloggs = Lovely Rita 3. Fred Bloggs m/ Lovely Rita (In this third instance the forward slash is superimposed on top of the small letter m, as if crossing it out.) The first two formats I have come across before but not the third. I'm wondering if this indicates a marriage that ended in divorce ? If not, can anyone please tell me what it does indicate ? Many thanks and best wishes, Tony Burton.

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Burton > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Symbolism in Family Trees A shot in the dark Tony, but nothing ventured, nothing gained ... Where do your BURTONs originate? Cheers ~ Toni

Thank you so much for the Dun site! I may be able to find my long-lost gg grandfather Mick Dunn now! Regards, Claire Rosenberger -----Original Message----- From: midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:midlothian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 1:35 PM To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Kinnaird, Redpath,DUN,Manderson,Thomson,Borland Hi Bob This is quite a good site if you have the name DUN/DUNN in your ancestry (my 4xGt Grandmother was a DUN from, or living in, Perthshire). See: http://www.dun.org.uk/ Rhoda

Tony - Sometimes when I'm entering family into software, I forget which symbol I used from one to another generation. My software has a space for those who were later divorced, so I can show the marriage, the date, and then the divorce. Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Burton" <burton-tony@sky.com> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Symbolism in Family Trees > Thanks for the suggestion Lynne - but no I don't think it's a formatting > error. The printed tree concerned is in a book and contains over 70 > names. > The odd thing is that in one family of nine children, seven of them are > shown as married, with four of the seven using the symbol 'm' > and the other three using this 'm with a forward slash superimposed' The > same symbol occurs in other families BUT not in all cases in the same > family. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 4:05 PM > To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Symbolism in Family Trees > >> Tony - It sound like a formatting error, perhaps particular to Family >> Tree >> Maker software. >> >> Lynne in Tucson >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tony Burton" <burton-tony@sky.com> >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:57 AM >> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Symbolism in Family Trees >> >> >>> Hi list, A bit of technical information if anyone can help please. I >>> have recently come across a printed Family Tree where the various >>> marriages are shown in three ways. >>> 1. Fred Bloggs m Lovely Rita 2. Fred Bloggs = Lovely Rita 3. >>> Fred >>> Bloggs m/ Lovely Rita (In this third instance the forward slash is >>> superimposed on top of the small letter m, as if crossing it out.) >>> >>> The first two formats I have come across before but not the third. I'm >>> wondering if this indicates a marriage that ended in divorce ? If not, >>> can anyone please tell me what it does indicate ? Many thanks and best >>> wishes, Tony Burton. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1-800-ANCESTRY makes and supports Family Tree Maker software......I'd call and ask. Mary --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Lynne Ingalls <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> wrote: From: Lynne Ingalls <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Symbolism in Family Trees To: midlothian@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 11:05 AM Tony -  It sound like a formatting error, perhaps particular to Family Tree Maker software. Lynne in Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Burton" <burton-tony@sky.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:57 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Symbolism in Family Trees > Hi list,  A bit of technical information if anyone can help please.  I > have recently come across a printed Family Tree where the various > marriages are shown in three ways. > 1.  Fred Bloggs m Lovely Rita    2.  Fred Bloggs = Lovely Rita     3. Fred > Bloggs m/ Lovely Rita  (In this third instance the forward slash is > superimposed on top of the small letter m, as if crossing it out.) > > The first two formats I have come across before but not the third.  I'm > wondering if this indicates a marriage that ended in divorce ?  If not, > can anyone please tell me what it does indicate ?   Many thanks and best > wishes, Tony Burton. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tony - It sound like a formatting error, perhaps particular to Family Tree Maker software. Lynne in Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Burton" <burton-tony@sky.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:57 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Symbolism in Family Trees > Hi list, A bit of technical information if anyone can help please. I > have recently come across a printed Family Tree where the various > marriages are shown in three ways. > 1. Fred Bloggs m Lovely Rita 2. Fred Bloggs = Lovely Rita 3. Fred > Bloggs m/ Lovely Rita (In this third instance the forward slash is > superimposed on top of the small letter m, as if crossing it out.) > > The first two formats I have come across before but not the third. I'm > wondering if this indicates a marriage that ended in divorce ? If not, > can anyone please tell me what it does indicate ? Many thanks and best > wishes, Tony Burton. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tammy I had a google search last night, and found a number of interesting references. The Mechanics Arms is at No 36 Drum Street, which is a C-Listed building, which was built about 1800. The old Gilmerton village is now a preservation area. The third link below is a paper on the preservation area. Unfortunately the annexes mentioned in the paper, which included old maps of the area, are not attached to the online copy. The first link is a mention in the Scotsman newspaper to Mitchell's Pub in 1950s' Gilmerton (see the comment below the article). The second link is an old engraving of Drum Street, Gilmerton. http://sport.scotsman.com/bt-cups/Rugby-Promotion-still-the-big.6258373.jp http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_a/0_around_edinburgh_-_gilmerton_drum_street_looking_nw_sepia_engraving.htm http://download.edinburgh.gov.uk/caca/CACAGilmerton.pdf Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Pub in Gilmerton, 1820 > Hi > > I've heard the Mechanics Arms hotel used to be called Mitchell's > does anyone know more about the previous ownership of that pub? > > Are there records somewhere we could order do you think? and where from. >

Hi I've heard the Mechanics Arms hotel used to be called Mitchell's does anyone know more about the previous ownership of that pub? Are there records somewhere we could order do you think? and where from. Thanks so much, wonderful story On 04/07/2010 7:28 PM, CandROverson wrote: > Hi Mary and Tammy > > I think I have probably mentioned before that I was brought up in Gilmerton. > I lived there as a child in the 1950s. If I remember correctly, the old > village consisted of one main street (Drum Street, I think) with a > blacksmith's and a line of shops, including a pub on a corner and two roads > leading off the main street. One road contained Gilmerton Parish Church > (now closed, I believe) and the other had a wonderful fish and chip shop. By > the 1950s there were number of new housing schemes surrounding the village. > > I have just had a look at the Google map of Gilmerton. Travelling south > (away from Edinburgh) down Drum Street, I see the old village hall is still > there on the corner of Drum Street and Ferniehill Drive (I used to learn > Scottish country dancing there!). But a Bingo Hall now stands where the > blacksmith's once stood. If you carry on up Drum Street still in a southern > direction, on your left you will see a Kwik Serve, then a Mr Man's (whatever > that is). An electrical shop owned by a man called Mr Tomes stood where > Kwik Serve is now and there used to be a fish shop where Mr Man's is now. > It was family-owned and at the moment I can't remember the name of the > family but I think they were an old Gilmerton family. All I remember is that > he was called Alan and I used to love watching him filleting the fish. The > next shop along which is now called Studio 45, was known by us as "Mrs > Tait's". This again was a family-owned shop which sold groceries, veg, cakes > and sweets. I think the Taits were an old Gilmerton family and wonder if > they were connected to the 'William Tait' who was a neighbour of Mrs > Mitchell. The Mechanic Arms is opposite 'Studio 45'. I can't remember what > it was called when I was a child, or even if it was a pub. The street to the > right, leading off Drum Street, is called Ravenscroft Street, and is one of > the roads I mentioned in my opening para. Gilmerton Church was/is on this > road, about 200 yards up on the right. > > See: http://tiny.cc/i4hul > > Thanks for giving me an excuse to walk down memory lane! > > > Rhoda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Guler"<mlmguler@yahoo.com> > To:<midlothian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 9:17 PM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Pub in Gilmerton, 1820 > > > We have found that our Mitchell gggg grandparents, Robert Mitchell and > Elizabeth Weir Mitchell owned a Pub in Gilmerton. Their home included the > both the pub and a grocery store, and was on what, at the time, was > "Gilmerton" Highway? We got this information from a newspaper article in the > Edinburgh Advertiser referencing a court case(1821) in which Elizabeth > Mitchell was asked to give a deposition to the court related to an attempted > murder on the road near the pub. The deposition mentions that Mrs. > Mitchell's husband, was a cattle broker and a publican, and that Mrs > Mitchell served a neighbor, William Tait, who came into the pub along with 2 > men unknown to her. She described the men as best she could, and said they > both had rifles with them. One of the two men was subsequently charged with > attempted murder. > > This story was the first we had heard that Robert Mitchell was a publican, > and now have interest in knowing if the site still stands. By the time of > the 1841 census, Elizabeth Weir Mitchell is widowed and living in Edinburgh, > so the pub was no longer in the family's possession (we suspect). We posed > the question to a Gilmerton site on the internet, and someone said that the > pub now called "the Mechanic's Arms". was known in the 1950's as "Mitchell's > Pub". I don't know if the pub owned by Mitchell's in the 1820s would/could > retain the name for about 125 years without Mitchell ownership, so I don't > know if this is the pub they owned. > > Is there a way to find records of land ownership in Gilmerton in 1820, > without having an actual address to research? > > A complication of this is that we have been unable to find either the birth > record or the death record of our Robert Mitchell. We would think that if > there were land owned, that there would be either a will, or some records of > land transactions after his death. We have been unsuccessful at finding > anything like that. We had always thought that he was a cattle broker, and > never considered that there might be a death record that referred to him as > a publican, so we will go through the potential death records again, looking > for a Robert Mitchell with that occupation. > > Any and all suggestions welcomed! > > Mary Mitchell Guler and Tammy Mitchell > Cape Coral, FL and Chilliwack, BC > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Rhoda Thank you for the Dun/Dunn Site , my Dunn families were from Pately Bridge ,West Riding Of Yorkshire. They married into my Gascoigne Tree. Again Thank You Bob -------------------------------------------------- From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 1:35 PM To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Kinnaird, Redpath,DUN,Manderson,Thomson,Borland > Hi Bob > > This is quite a good site if you have the name DUN/DUNN in your ancestry > (my > 4xGt Grandmother was a DUN from, or living in, > Perthshire). > > See: http://www.dun.org.uk/ >

Hi Mary and Tammy I think I have probably mentioned before that I was brought up in Gilmerton. I lived there as a child in the 1950s. If I remember correctly, the old village consisted of one main street (Drum Street, I think) with a blacksmith's and a line of shops, including a pub on a corner and two roads leading off the main street. One road contained Gilmerton Parish Church (now closed, I believe) and the other had a wonderful fish and chip shop. By the 1950s there were number of new housing schemes surrounding the village. I have just had a look at the Google map of Gilmerton. Travelling south (away from Edinburgh) down Drum Street, I see the old village hall is still there on the corner of Drum Street and Ferniehill Drive (I used to learn Scottish country dancing there!). But a Bingo Hall now stands where the blacksmith's once stood. If you carry on up Drum Street still in a southern direction, on your left you will see a Kwik Serve, then a Mr Man's (whatever that is). An electrical shop owned by a man called Mr Tomes stood where Kwik Serve is now and there used to be a fish shop where Mr Man's is now. It was family-owned and at the moment I can't remember the name of the family but I think they were an old Gilmerton family. All I remember is that he was called Alan and I used to love watching him filleting the fish. The next shop along which is now called Studio 45, was known by us as "Mrs Tait's". This again was a family-owned shop which sold groceries, veg, cakes and sweets. I think the Taits were an old Gilmerton family and wonder if they were connected to the 'William Tait' who was a neighbour of Mrs Mitchell. The Mechanic Arms is opposite 'Studio 45'. I can't remember what it was called when I was a child, or even if it was a pub. The street to the right, leading off Drum Street, is called Ravenscroft Street, and is one of the roads I mentioned in my opening para. Gilmerton Church was/is on this road, about 200 yards up on the right. See: http://tiny.cc/i4hul Thanks for giving me an excuse to walk down memory lane! Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Guler" <mlmguler@yahoo.com> To: <midlothian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Pub in Gilmerton, 1820 We have found that our Mitchell gggg grandparents, Robert Mitchell and Elizabeth Weir Mitchell owned a Pub in Gilmerton. Their home included the both the pub and a grocery store, and was on what, at the time, was "Gilmerton" Highway? We got this information from a newspaper article in the Edinburgh Advertiser referencing a court case(1821) in which Elizabeth Mitchell was asked to give a deposition to the court related to an attempted murder on the road near the pub. The deposition mentions that Mrs. Mitchell's husband, was a cattle broker and a publican, and that Mrs Mitchell served a neighbor, William Tait, who came into the pub along with 2 men unknown to her. She described the men as best she could, and said they both had rifles with them. One of the two men was subsequently charged with attempted murder. This story was the first we had heard that Robert Mitchell was a publican, and now have interest in knowing if the site still stands. By the time of the 1841 census, Elizabeth Weir Mitchell is widowed and living in Edinburgh, so the pub was no longer in the family's possession (we suspect). We posed the question to a Gilmerton site on the internet, and someone said that the pub now called "the Mechanic's Arms". was known in the 1950's as "Mitchell's Pub". I don't know if the pub owned by Mitchell's in the 1820s would/could retain the name for about 125 years without Mitchell ownership, so I don't know if this is the pub they owned. Is there a way to find records of land ownership in Gilmerton in 1820, without having an actual address to research? A complication of this is that we have been unable to find either the birth record or the death record of our Robert Mitchell. We would think that if there were land owned, that there would be either a will, or some records of land transactions after his death. We have been unsuccessful at finding anything like that. We had always thought that he was a cattle broker, and never considered that there might be a death record that referred to him as a publican, so we will go through the potential death records again, looking for a Robert Mitchell with that occupation. Any and all suggestions welcomed! Mary Mitchell Guler and Tammy Mitchell Cape Coral, FL and Chilliwack, BC

Hello Bob Thank you. That is kind of you. I shall e-mail you direct with what I have - heaps of it! It would save you doubling up. Sheila. robertgascoigne wrote: > Hello Sheila > > I can send you a five generation tree going back from Archibald Waldie if > you send your email. > > Bob >