Hi Diane, I am very interested in the fact you are tracing the PETERKIN family. I have Margaret PETERKIN who married Franics UPHAM, a Labourer from England. They came to NZ where Francis worked in the Coal mines. This would have been after 1840 (when NZ started bringing labourers to NZ), and there son Edwin (whose birth is not registered I can only guess at his birth being c1880. I no nothing else which is of useless help as there are numerous Margaret PETERKIN's, unless you have an UPHAM in your files? Patricia in New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Pearen" <dpearen@shaw.ca> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: [MLN] Peterkin > I am still researching this PETERKIN family but now feel that they may have been in the Leith area for the 1851/1861 or 1871 census.Is there anyone who could please look them up on those census for me?PLEASE!!!! Jane Peterkin and her husband John appear in Kirkwalls 1841 census with 3 children.After that,there was no mention of them.Their youngest daughter Catherine may have been born in McDuff Banff December 1851........thats what she told the enumerator in 1881.But everything else seems to point to Leith. > > Any help at all might get me in the right direction on this family,so I really would appreciate having someone look into the census. Diane........................Canada > > >

Terry, I can't find a Baylon / Bayton Place, but there used to be a Bayton Terrace. It was a side road to the East of Granton Road, and was almost opposite where Wardie Crescent joins the modern day Granton Road in the Granton / Wardie area. The name Bayton Terrace only existed between about 1879 - 1900. Duncan, Dundee

Sorry about my PETERKIN Saga......it was meant to go to PATSY in New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: Diane Pearen <dpearen@shaw.ca> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] Peterkin > Hello Patricia.....from what I have found,my JOHN PETERKIN was born > somewhere in Scotland in 1809.I have not located where he came from,but he > did get married in Kirkwall Orkney on May 24 1836 to Jane Fairweather.They > had 7 children...Elizabeth born August 1842 in Kirkwall,married William > Swanson.....Isabella born January 1845 and married George Begg.....Jane born > March 1841 and married Alexander fairweather[her mothers brothers > son...cousins]Alexander born 1840 and married to Margaret MoorAlexander is > listed as a master mariner in Englands 1881 cencus with his wife and > children.......John born 1848 and married to Mary Brechin......Margaaret > born 1836,no other information on her........possibly she is the Margaret > Peterkin in New Zealand.and lastly,Catherine...my great grandmother born in > Banff.....possibly the only pPeterkin child not born in Orkney,and married > to James Johnston. > > > > I do have a new Zealand connection....a strong one,but I dont > think it has any connection to your Margaret.My grandfather Peter > Johnston,,,son of james and Catherine Peterkin,emmigrated to New Zealand > along with 5 of his sisters,his wife and 3 children (my dad was 6)I am not > sure how it all came about,but the girls went on to New Zealand and grandpa > and his family stayed in Canada.The girls would all have been > "Johnston/e's,and as they came from a family of 12 children they all had > the middle name of Peterkin or Fairweather......all but one,the youngest > whos middle name was Pirie.........So,Mary Pirie Johnstone went to New > Zealand with her sisters,married there and I have recently located her > death records from pirwa crematorium in Aukland.So,Marys mothers maiden name > was Peterkin.It is an unusual name in Canada.It was also my dads middle name > and was forever being shortened to Peter,which really irked him.Dads last > couple of years were in a rest home...he lived to be 98...and his wrist band > said James Peter Johnstone.Knowing that he did not have much time left,I > went streight to the top dog on the totem pole and demanded for the > umpteenth time that it be put right.....and it was. > > > Long winded story,but if you are like me,when you find a wee bit of > information,you want it ALL! > > Looking forward to hearing from you and seeing what information you > have.I have visited New Zealand several times,still have loads of cousins > there,and they took me around to see the different homes where grandads > sisters had lived and raised their familys,mostly Onehunga area. > > > Write soon...................we expect a bit of snow later > tonight,so I must get out and grab some milk and bread from the > shop........Diane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patsyd <Patsyd@paradise.net.nz> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [MLN] Peterkin > > > > Hi Diane, > > I am very interested in the fact you are tracing the PETERKIN family. > > I have Margaret PETERKIN who married Franics UPHAM, a Labourer from > England. > > They came to NZ where Francis worked in the Coal mines. > > This would have been after 1840 (when NZ started bringing labourers to > NZ), > > and there son Edwin (whose birth is not registered I can only guess at his > > birth being c1880. > > > > I no nothing else which is of useless help as there are numerous Margaret > > PETERKIN's, unless you have an UPHAM in your files? > > > > Patricia in New Zealand. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Diane Pearen" <dpearen@shaw.ca> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:50 PM > > Subject: [MLN] Peterkin > > > > > > > I am still researching this PETERKIN family but now feel that they may > > have been in the Leith area for the 1851/1861 or 1871 census.Is there > anyone > > who could please look them up on those census for me?PLEASE!!!! Jane > > Peterkin and her husband John appear in Kirkwalls 1841 census with 3 > > children.After that,there was no mention of them.Their youngest daughter > > Catherine may have been born in McDuff Banff December 1851........thats > what > > she told the enumerator in 1881.But everything else seems to point to > Leith. > > > > > > Any help at all might get me in the right direction on this > > family,so I really would appreciate having someone look into the census. > > Diane........................Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hello Patricia.....from what I have found,my JOHN PETERKIN was born somewhere in Scotland in 1809.I have not located where he came from,but he did get married in Kirkwall Orkney on May 24 1836 to Jane Fairweather.They had 7 children...Elizabeth born August 1842 in Kirkwall,married William Swanson.....Isabella born January 1845 and married George Begg.....Jane born March 1841 and married Alexander fairweather[her mothers brothers son...cousins]Alexander born 1840 and married to Margaret MoorAlexander is listed as a master mariner in Englands 1881 cencus with his wife and children.......John born 1848 and married to Mary Brechin......Margaaret born 1836,no other information on her........possibly she is the Margaret Peterkin in New Zealand.and lastly,Catherine...my great grandmother born in Banff.....possibly the only pPeterkin child not born in Orkney,and married to James Johnston. I do have a new Zealand connection....a strong one,but I dont think it has any connection to your Margaret.My grandfather Peter Johnston,,,son of james and Catherine Peterkin,emmigrated to New Zealand along with 5 of his sisters,his wife and 3 children (my dad was 6)I am not sure how it all came about,but the girls went on to New Zealand and grandpa and his family stayed in Canada.The girls would all have been "Johnston/e's,and as they came from a family of 12 children they all had the middle name of Peterkin or Fairweather......all but one,the youngest whos middle name was Pirie.........So,Mary Pirie Johnstone went to New Zealand with her sisters,married there and I have recently located her death records from pirwa crematorium in Aukland.So,Marys mothers maiden name was Peterkin.It is an unusual name in Canada.It was also my dads middle name and was forever being shortened to Peter,which really irked him.Dads last couple of years were in a rest home...he lived to be 98...and his wrist band said James Peter Johnstone.Knowing that he did not have much time left,I went streight to the top dog on the totem pole and demanded for the umpteenth time that it be put right.....and it was. Long winded story,but if you are like me,when you find a wee bit of information,you want it ALL! Looking forward to hearing from you and seeing what information you have.I have visited New Zealand several times,still have loads of cousins there,and they took me around to see the different homes where grandads sisters had lived and raised their familys,mostly Onehunga area. Write soon...................we expect a bit of snow later tonight,so I must get out and grab some milk and bread from the shop........Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: Patsyd <Patsyd@paradise.net.nz> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] Peterkin > Hi Diane, > I am very interested in the fact you are tracing the PETERKIN family. > I have Margaret PETERKIN who married Franics UPHAM, a Labourer from England. > They came to NZ where Francis worked in the Coal mines. > This would have been after 1840 (when NZ started bringing labourers to NZ), > and there son Edwin (whose birth is not registered I can only guess at his > birth being c1880. > > I no nothing else which is of useless help as there are numerous Margaret > PETERKIN's, unless you have an UPHAM in your files? > > Patricia in New Zealand. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Pearen" <dpearen@shaw.ca> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:50 PM > Subject: [MLN] Peterkin > > > > I am still researching this PETERKIN family but now feel that they may > have been in the Leith area for the 1851/1861 or 1871 census.Is there anyone > who could please look them up on those census for me?PLEASE!!!! Jane > Peterkin and her husband John appear in Kirkwalls 1841 census with 3 > children.After that,there was no mention of them.Their youngest daughter > Catherine may have been born in McDuff Banff December 1851........thats what > she told the enumerator in 1881.But everything else seems to point to Leith. > > > > Any help at all might get me in the right direction on this > family,so I really would appreciate having someone look into the census. > Diane........................Canada > > > > > > > >

Mery, There are name indexes for a few parishes in 1851. ie New Town, Greyfriars, Canongate and some others in bookform at. http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/ and at the Edinburgh Central library. As far as I'm aware the census years 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871 have all been indexed by street name only, so it is best to first find the address you need on a certificate or in a directory. 1881 is available on CD and 1881, 1891 and 1901 can be searched on http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ FreeCen is coming along but I don't know if any of Edinburgh is on-line yet. http://freecen.rootsweb.com/statistics.html If all else fails, there is still the old fashioned way - hire a likely film or 2 from the LDS and keep turing the reel. I have found many people this way and although it takes time, it can be rewarding! Hope this helps, Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "mery" <mery67@tpg.com.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:32 AM Subject: [MLN] Census Indexes > Could some one advise if there is an index for the 1851 and 1861 censuses > for Edinburgh. > Please oblige. > > Mery > >

Try freecen.rootsweb.com unfortunately very few of Edinburgh's parish's are finished only some of 1841/45 but keep this in mind and try every so often. Regards Eleanor -----Original Message----- From: mery [mailto:mery67@tpg.com.au] Sent: 01 December 2004 10:33 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] Census Indexes Could some one advise if there is an index for the 1851 and 1861 censuses for Edinburgh. Please oblige. Mery

I am still researching this PETERKIN family but now feel that they may have been in the Leith area for the 1851/1861 or 1871 census.Is there anyone who could please look them up on those census for me?PLEASE!!!! Jane Peterkin and her husband John appear in Kirkwalls 1841 census with 3 children.After that,there was no mention of them.Their youngest daughter Catherine may have been born in McDuff Banff December 1851........thats what she told the enumerator in 1881.But everything else seems to point to Leith. Any help at all might get me in the right direction on this family,so I really would appreciate having someone look into the census. Diane........................Canada

I would appreciate an 1871 census lookup for the following family at West Calder. : Richard Parkb.b. 1842, Elizabeth Park b-?, William b. 1866, Andrew b. 1868, and Richard b. 1871. Thank you for your kindness. Don (Canada)

Hi, I'm doing some research into what seems to be a not so common name for the West Lothian area. The family name is Lidster. I have compiled via the 1881 census and via Birth and Death Records a bit of a puzzle as it seems that at least one of the Lister children lived with their Grandparents, by the name of Shedden. Do either of these names ring any bells with anyone ? I do have a fair bit of information about the Lidsters and the Sheddens that I would be very happy to share and would like to know if anyone has any knowledge or connections too. Also, I am trying to find out information about a mine called Levenseat. I understand that today it is some sort of landfill site and any curious about the history of this area. Thanks very much. Heather van Vonderen

Hello, I am desperately seeking assistance from anyone who may have access to 1871 census indexes from Aberdeen, Edinburgh, or Glasgow. My great great grandmother, Elizabeth McGregor, had an illegitimate daughter, Isabella, born 7 July 1870 in Aberdeen. Isabella's father, Joseph Hardie, may have emigrated to the U.S. shortly after her birth. The next record I have of Elizabeth and Isabella is a ship's passenger list indicating that they sailed from Glasgow and landed in New York 25 Jan 1873. Elizabeth was married to Joseph Hardie 10 days later in Illinois. My family believe that Elizabeth was born in 1850 to a wealthy family in Edinburgh, but was disowned for becoming involved with a poor boy and/or having an illegitimate child by him. At this time I have no solid leads to Elizabeth's family, or Joseph Hardie's either, Joseph was reportedly born 1846 in Glasgow, but the birth record of their youngest daughter indicates that Elizabeth and Joseph were both born in Morayshire! So, I would love to find Isabella and Elizabeth, and Joseph too, if he was still in Scotland, in the 1871 census, in hopes of finding more clues to their families. But without access to indexes, finding them seems quite hopeless, Isabella and Elizabeth may have been alone and enumerated as McGregors, or maybe they could have been enumerated as Hardies, with or without Joseph. If Elizabeth's family were in Edinburgh, it is possibly she may have returned to them with her baby, but this seems rather unlikely. Elizabeth and Isabella may have been anywhere in Scotland in 1871, but Aberdeen and Glasgow seem the most likely places. So, I am begging anyone who may have access to 1871 census indexes, if you have a few minutes to spare, to check for any of the above three people, your assistance will be VERY greatly appreciated. Donna Mendelsohn, gypsy@oanet.com Box 98, Fort Assiniboine, AB, Canada T0G 1A0

Would just like to say a massive thanks to everyone who helped me or offered me advice with my as it turns out not-so-brick-wall. I appreciate all your help, and have definitely learned more from listers than any websites etc, you are all invaluable. So thanks everyone x _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Heather, As your image is likely digitized this may not work. It does work however on badly faded documents and I pass it on in the hopes that it may resolve your problem. It is a solution passed on to me by someone who works for Archives Canada. Some may decry exposing an old document to the extreme light of a scanner but the alternative is a document that is unusable because of fading anyway. Scan the document in as high a resolution as possible. Save the scanned image and then open it in a photo program. I use Photo Impression because it came with my scanner but there are many others. Now in the photo program manipulate the contrast and brightness until you get an image that comes closest to being legible. Having said all that, it is possible that enlarging the image may make it more legible as well and you may wish to combine the digitizing and the scanning. Good luck, Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "heather symons" <heva_is@hotmail.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 4:16 AM Subject: [MLN] brick wall..... > sorry to beg for help again but...... > > I'm really stuck (and i mean surprisingly early on in the scheme of things) > and i hope someone can help me. I'm looking for a david symons born in > falkirk, stirlingshire in around 1839 ish. I need to find out the names of > his parents but i cant read them from the images of both his marriage certs > at scotlandspeople. One is so faded and the other i just cant read. I cant > find his birth cert or any record of of his birth. He married elizabeth > morrison in 1858 (she died in 1861) and elizabeth potter in 1963. can anyone > shed any light on this for me? shurely it cant just end there can it? i know > people get stuck all the time but everything i do just hits a brick wall. > > Thanks in advance, and thanks to everyone who has answered a previous > question of mine, your help has been invaluable x > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > > >

Hi Heather.... I see that someone has already given you some info re the 1863 certificate, but from now on you need all spellings of Symons, Simans. Simons, Simmons Simmonds, but if not do. Look also at the letter L.....often read instead of S.... So Lymons, etc. Lots of mistakes were made in the indexing. The 1841 census for should help you ... You should find David as a child. Get the film from the LDS library, and go through each frame. It will show parents, and also whether they were born in the county. Try finding him in the 1851 census too..... Good Luck, Margaret On 26/11/04 8:16 PM, "heather symons" <heva_is@hotmail.com> wrote: > sorry to beg for help again but...... > > I'm really stuck (and i mean surprisingly early on in the scheme of things) > and i hope someone can help me. I'm looking for a david symons born in > falkirk, stirlingshire in around 1839 ish. I need to find out the names of > his parents but i cant read them from the images of both his marriage certs > at scotlandspeople. One is so faded and the other i just cant read. I cant > find his birth cert or any record of of his birth. He married elizabeth > morrison in 1858 (she died in 1861) and elizabeth potter in 1963. can anyone > shed any light on this for me? shurely it cant just end there can it? i know > people get stuck all the time but everything i do just hits a brick wall. > > Thanks in advance, and thanks to everyone who has answered a previous > question of mine, your help has been invaluable x > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ >

Hello Mary I have Ramsay in my tree. John Ramsay b 30 Apr 1819 Edinburgh, father Joseph b1794, Mother Harriet Lamb, b 1799. Grt Grandmother Rachel Stewart Ramsay b 21 May 1848, Gartsherrie. Wife of John Ramsay, Mary Wilson b 12 Nov 1823, Lesmahgow . Probably just a co incidence, but you never know? Molly Bergh Esperance Western Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/mollybergh/Mytree -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.3 - Release Date: 11/26/04

Thanks for that Mary . Made interesting reading . Loved the pictures.No connections though. - Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:11:16 -0700 >From: Thistlegrandma <Mary.Robertson@shaw.ca> >Subject: Re: [MLN] Tracing >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > > >My Ramsays are at www.elderweb.org/grandma > >Mary > ___________________________________________________________ FREE weekend phone calls! NO monthly fee, NO contract! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services/smarttalk/?StartupCode=OL063&srccode=COD_563

Heather I am going to the GRO on the 7th. December. If I cannot read it, I can ask the staff if there is a way of identifying the parents names. Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "heather symons" <heva_is@hotmail.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: [MLN] brick wall..... > sorry to beg for help again but...... > > I'm really stuck (and i mean surprisingly early on in the scheme of > things) and i hope someone can help me. I'm looking for a david symons > born in falkirk, stirlingshire in around 1839 ish. I need to find out the > names of his parents but i cant read them from the images of both his > marriage certs at scotlandspeople. One is so faded and the other i just > cant read. I cant find his birth cert or any record of of his birth. He > married elizabeth morrison in 1858 (she died in 1861) and elizabeth potter > in 1963. can anyone shed any light on this for me? shurely it cant just > end there can it? i know people get stuck all the time but everything i do > just hits a brick wall. > > Thanks in advance, and thanks to everyone who has answered a previous > question of mine, your help has been invaluable x > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ >

Hi Heather Go on to the Scotlands People site and e-mail them with your problem. I am sure they will be able to help you. Regards Elanor -----Original Message----- From: heather symons [mailto:heva_is@hotmail.com] Sent: 26 November 2004 09:16 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] brick wall..... sorry to beg for help again but...... I'm really stuck (and i mean surprisingly early on in the scheme of things) and i hope someone can help me. I'm looking for a david symons born in falkirk, stirlingshire in around 1839 ish. I need to find out the names of his parents but i cant read them from the images of both his marriage certs at scotlandspeople. One is so faded and the other i just cant read. I cant find his birth cert or any record of of his birth. He married elizabeth morrison in 1858 (she died in 1861) and elizabeth potter in 1963. can anyone shed any light on this for me? shurely it cant just end there can it? i know people get stuck all the time but everything i do just hits a brick wall. Thanks in advance, and thanks to everyone who has answered a previous question of mine, your help has been invaluable x _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/

sorry to beg for help again but...... I'm really stuck (and i mean surprisingly early on in the scheme of things) and i hope someone can help me. I'm looking for a david symons born in falkirk, stirlingshire in around 1839 ish. I need to find out the names of his parents but i cant read them from the images of both his marriage certs at scotlandspeople. One is so faded and the other i just cant read. I cant find his birth cert or any record of of his birth. He married elizabeth morrison in 1858 (she died in 1861) and elizabeth potter in 1963. can anyone shed any light on this for me? shurely it cant just end there can it? i know people get stuck all the time but everything i do just hits a brick wall. Thanks in advance, and thanks to everyone who has answered a previous question of mine, your help has been invaluable x _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/

Heather: A possible solution to your problem is to arrange for someone at Scotlandspeople to examine the certificates by hand and with a microscope, it is possible to have the writing enhanced enough to read. I have done this, so I know its possible. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "heather symons" <heva_is@hotmail.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 5:16 AM Subject: [MLN] brick wall..... > sorry to beg for help again but...... > > I'm really stuck (and i mean surprisingly early on in the scheme of > things) and i hope someone can help me. I'm looking for a david symons > born in falkirk, stirlingshire in around 1839 ish. I need to find out the > names of his parents but i cant read them from the images of both his > marriage certs at scotlandspeople. One is so faded and the other i just > cant read. I cant find his birth cert or any record of of his birth. He > married elizabeth morrison in 1858 (she died in 1861) and elizabeth potter > in 1963. can anyone shed any light on this for me? shurely it cant just > end there can it? i know people get stuck all the time but everything i do > just hits a brick wall. > > Thanks in advance, and thanks to everyone who has answered a previous > question of mine, your help has been invaluable x > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > > >

Heather, the details on the 1863 certificate are: James Symons Flesher (deceased) Christina Symons M.S. Bruce Alexander Potter Carter Margaret Trotter Potter M.S. Gifford I hope this helps Albert