ATTENTION: HUGH PREACHER Thank you SO much, Hugh! I really appreciate your advice. I'm starting to believe that those 2 couples are indeed the same people and; hopefully, will turn out to be our Alexander William Campbell's actual parents! One brick at a time, eh! :-) Gratefully, Lisa Wellbelove, Burnt River, Ont., Canada Researching: PEDDER - London, possibly Herts TAYLOR - Medway, Felixstowe WELLBELOVE {all spellings} - SRY, etc. HOGG - Sligo, IRE EWART - Down, IRE DONNACHIE - Ayr, SCT CAMPBELL - SCT email: lisawellbelove@sympatico.ca

I have the same situation of dual marriages recorded and with the same names. One in Edinburgh, the other registered in Haddington - go figure. A word of caution on Janet Churnside. Chirnside (i not u) is a small town southeast of Haddington. Be sure the name is right and not picking up a home parish as part of a name. Regards, Hugh Preacher -----Original Message----- From: MIDLOTHIAN-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Duncan Smith Sent: 04 December 2004 18:28 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] Re: Donald CAMPBELL & Ann CHISHOLM Lisa, You were asking about the fact that 2 marriages appear on the IGI, to a couple with the same names - "could these 2 IGI marriages be the same couple? Is the church, Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, in the South Leith Midlothian district?" St Cuthberts and South Leith border each other as the old Parish map at http://www.forrestdale.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Parishes.html shows. The only way to be sure that these aren't two different couples is to obtain the actual Parish register entries, but there are cases of a couple having the marriage proclamation made in one Parish, and contracted in another, usually in cases where those involved were living in separate Parishes. I have one example, for instance, where Benjamin THOMSON and Janet CHURNSIDE entered their names for proclamation to be married at Dalkeith (the Parish of the bride) 10th June 1826, but then registered the reading of the Banns in order to marriage - at the Parish Church of St Cuthberts, on 19th June 1826, as this was the 'home' Parish for Benjamin. Duncan, Dundee

This is my first posting of BEVERIDGE surnames: James BEVERIDGE 1837Carfin - 1890 Rotherglen Joseph Todd BEVERIDGE 1869 Armadale, West Lothian brothers and sisters - Elizabeth, James Spowart, Mary, Joseph Todd, Jennet, Ann, William, Margret, David, Nellie (Helen) William Gillon BEVERIDGE 1905 Arbroath - 1972 Canada brothers and sisters - Bess, Joseph, Rachel (Ray), Margaret, James (only Margaret stayed in Scotland) Robert GILLON married Marion SIMPSON James GILLON J.P. 1843 Carluke - 1917Armadale brothers and sisters - James, Mary, William, Alexander, Elizabeth, Janet, Agnes Love, Charles, Anne, Rachel Margaret (Maggie) Esson GILLON 1876 Bathgate - died Canada Margaret ESSON 1842 Carbusnethan - 1913 parents John ESSON & Jessie SIMPSON John TODD married Agnes MILLAR Elizabeth (Betsy) Wright TODD 1840 Cladkmannan - 1886 Armadale Heather Beveridge hbeveridge@powergate.ca Uxbridge, Ontario, Canada

Hi, I'm wondering if anyone on the list is researching KIRKWOOD. I'm trying to tie up a loose end with regard the parentage of a Margaret KIRKWOOD born circa 1806. When she married John Hutton in 1837 (Canongate, Edin.) her father is recorded as the late Robert, flesher of Fisherrow, but I can find no reference to her mother. She may be the latter Margaret of the following family that I've found through IGI, but I need to confirm that this Robert was a flesher: Robert KIRKWOOD and Margaret m.s.TORRENCE: children: Margaret (12.4.1797 Liberton); James (31.7.1797 Liberton); Agnes (30.6.1805 Inveresk); Margaret Stewart (8.11.1807 Inveresk). However, on some census returns it states that Margaret was born Lasswade / Loanhead. There is a possibility therefore that she may be the daughter of Robert KIRKWOOD and Ann ROBERTSON and born 1801, although this seems a bit early according to her census ages. This family appears to have been: Robert KIRKWOOD and Ann ROBERTSON: children: Catherine (14.3.1795 Inveresk); Margaret Andrew (6.9.1801 Lasswade); Thomas (1.5.1803 Lasswade); Archibald (8.12.1807 Inveresk); Marion (29.10.1809 Inveresk); Anne (15.12.1812 Inveresk). I'd be very grateful if someone could confirm or otherwise that either of the above Robert Kirkwoods were fleshers Andy Walsh --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.803 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/04

Lisa, You were asking about the fact that 2 marriages appear on the IGI, to a couple with the same names - "could these 2 IGI marriages be the same couple? Is the church, Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, in the South Leith Midlothian district?" St Cuthberts and South Leith border each other as the old Parish map at http://www.forrestdale.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Parishes.html shows. The only way to be sure that these aren't two different couples is to obtain the actual Parish register entries, but there are cases of a couple having the marriage proclamation made in one Parish, and contracted in another, usually in cases where those involved were living in separate Parishes. I have one example, for instance, where Benjamin THOMSON and Janet CHURNSIDE entered their names for proclamation to be married at Dalkeith (the Parish of the bride) 10th June 1826, but then registered the reading of the Banns in order to marriage - at the Parish Church of St Cuthberts, on 19th June 1826, as this was the 'home' Parish for Benjamin. Duncan, Dundee

ATTENTION: Duncan Smith, Dundee, Scotland .....and..... Alan Thom, North Bay, Canada Thank you BOTH very, very, much Duncan & Alan! 2 super responses from a great Message Board. I really appreciate your help.....it gives us hope that we are on the right track in possibly identifying our Alexander William Campbell's parentage in Scotland! Gratefully, Lisa Wellbelove, Burnt River, Ont., Canada Researching: PEDDER - London, possibly Herts TAYLOR - Medway, Felixstowe WELLBELOVE - GLOBAL {all spellings} HOGG - Sligo, IRE EWART - Down, IRE DONNACHIE - Ayr, SCT CAMPBELL - SCT email: lisawellbelove@sympatico.ca

Thanks to all who responded to my Jane Steele query . I do have the Heugh records in fair shape starting with Archibald Heugh & Margaret Hamilton. James Heugh Bob wrote: > Here are two Steele birth from 1810 time frame. > Below are 15 Heughs from the Bathgate area, no Heugh/Steele connection in > this file. Visit your local FHC for more data and register films if > available. > > I have No additional data or interest in this surname. > > Hope the data helps with your research. > > Bob > Cdn. > > ========================================== > STEEL, Janet Bir 1814 Scot WeLo Torphi > Fa: Robert STEEL > Mo: Janet RANKEN > STEEL, Janet Bir 1818 Scot WeLo Linlit > Fa: William STEEL > Mo: Elisabeth MURRAY > ------------------------------------------------------ > HEUGH, Archibald Bir 1779 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: Archibald HEUGH > Mo: Margaret HAMILTON > HEUGH, Alexander Bir 1783 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: Archibald HEUGH > Mo: Margret HAMILTON > HEUGH, Elisabeth Bir 1791 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: Archibald HEUGH > Mo: Margaret HAMILTON > HEUGH, Mary Bir 1794 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: Archibald HEUGH > Mo: Margaret HAMILTON > HEUGH, Archibald Bir 1804 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: Archibald HEUGH > Mo: Margaret WALKER > HEUGH, Mary Bir 1806 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: Archibald HEUGH > Mo: Margaret WALKER > HEUGH, Margaret Bir 1808 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: Archibald HEUGH > Mo: Margaret WALKER > HEUGH, Margaret Bir 1809 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: James HEUGH > Mo: Mary RAMSAY > HEUGH, Thomas Bir 1817 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: Archibald HEUGH > Mo: Jean CLARKSON > HEUGH, Alexander Bir 1823 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: Archibald HEUGH > Mo: Jean CLARKSON > HUGHES, Bir 1850 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: Arthur HUGHES > Mo: > HUGHES, Bir 1851 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: Arthur HUGHES > Mo: > HEUGH, Bir 1852 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: Arthur HEUGH > Mo: > HEUGH, James Bir 1853 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: James HEUGH > Mo: Mary URE > HEUGH, William Bir 1854 Scot WeLo Bathga > Fa: James HEUGH > Mo: Mary URE > ========================================== > <SNIP> > Subject: [MLN] Jane Steele > I am searching for Jane Steele, my gr grandmother who > married Archibald Heugh on the 27 June !835. I have an > estimated birth year of 1811,

Please, can anyone help me resolve my problem? I have a quandary with an ancestral marriage for a Donald CAMPBELL who married Ann CHISHOLM in Scotland. IGI has an ALEXANDER WILLIAM CAMPBELL born on 6 Mar 1859 in Urray, Ross & Cromarty,Scotland, whose parents are recorded as Donald Campbell & Ann Chisholm. OUR earliest proven Campbell ancestor, Alexander William Campbell, married an Elizabeth Spears in Birkenhead, Westmorland, England, in 1883, he was born in Scotland per 2 Censuses. This is bonafide & proven information that HE IS ours. They had the following 3 sons all born in Westmorland: (1) William "Chisholm" Campbell 1884 (2) Alexander Bruce Campbell 1886 (3) Ernest Donald Campbell 1888 [our Grandfather]. All of Ernie's subsequent generation males have "Chisholm" as a middle name, even today! But the family has lost the knowledge of from where it comes. I'm trying to prove that the Donald Campbell + Ann Chisholm marriage is indeed OUR Alexander William Campbell's parentage! IGI has 2 records of a marriage for Donald Campbell + Ann Chisholm: 1. DONALD CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 03 DEC 1841 South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland 2. DONALD CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 29 NOV 1841 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland QUESTION: could these 2 IGI marriages be the same couple? Is the church, Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, in the South Leith Midlothian district? Can anyone help me; or, advise me? Lisa Wellbelove, Burnt River, Ontario, Canada [in the bush in northern Ontario; thank the Lord for satellite computer connections! :-)] Researching: PEDDER - London, possibly Herts WELLBELOVE - GLOBAL {all spellings} HOGG - Sligo, IRE EWART - Down, IRE DONNACHIE - Ayr, SCT CAMPBELL - SCT email: lisawellbelove@sympatico.ca

Did you get to the LDS site? If you did click on the Search Button at the top of the page and then enter the search criteria. Let me know if you are still having trouble, via my personal email. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janine H" <catsrule@thehouse.net.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] Fw: Alexander STEWART > Hi Ian, > > I tried that but don't seem to be getting what you're getting??? > > Cheers > Janine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Dunbar" <idunbar@iinet.net.au> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:14 PM > Subject: Re: [MLN] Fw: Alexander STEWART > > > > Hi Janine, > > > > I just did a quick search on the LDS website and came up with the > following > > marriages: > > > > Alexander Stewart M Elizabeth Ferguson, 5/6/1825, St Cuthberts Edinburgh > > > > Alexander Stewart M Elizabeth Dunlop 27/9/1831, South Leith > > > > Alexander Stewart M Elizabeth Carr 20/10/1834, St Cuthberts > > > > (I had people living in Leith and South Lieth who were also married at St > > Cuthberts) > > > > I also found 3 children born to a Alexander Stewart and Elizabeth Hay in > > Leith around your timeframe. > > > > Go to www.familysearch.org and follow the prompts. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Ian > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janine H" <catsrule@thehouse.net.au> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:31 PM > > Subject: [MLN] Fw: Alexander STEWART > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I'm just new to this list and wanted to make enquiries about the > > Stewart family of Leith. Alexander, his wife Elizabeth ? and four > children > > sailed to Australia as an assisted passenger on the Duchess of > > Northemberland on 6 Aug 1839. I have information that he appears on the > > Register of Emmigrant Labourers No 4624, Embarkation No. 3250. I'm not > sure > > if this information is available from South Australia. I am seeking his > > town of origin, and possibly a marriage and or parents names?. His oldest > > child was 13 at the time, so their marriage is circa 1826 ish. He was a > > Shepherd at the time. I would appreciate your kind help. > > > > > > Cheers and Thanks > > > Janine Hinton > > > South Australia > > > >

Hi James, If you can get her age from the 1851 census, or death certificate if she died in 1855 or later, that should be more accurate than the 1841 as adult ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 years then. I take it you are sure it was the same Archibald Heugh? Best wishes, Sheena Ireland -----Original Message----- From: jheugh [mailto:jheugh@nc.rr.com] Sent: 03 December 2004 15:44 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Jane Steele Dear Listers I am searching for Jane Steele, my gr grandmother who married Archibald Heugh on the 27 June !835. I have an estimated birth year of 1811, deduced from the census year of 1841 as being 30 years old. The IGI has no other records that I have discovered for her birth or death years or for her parents. The census records show that she was born in Bathgate WLN where she was married & lived. Is there an archival office or person in Bathgate WLN that might have some of these dates or information. She died some time between 1851 census and the year 1856 for Archibald Heugh had married a Jenet Moffatt that year. James Heugh ______________________________

Hi Ian, I tried that but don't seem to be getting what you're getting??? Cheers Janine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Dunbar" <idunbar@iinet.net.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] Fw: Alexander STEWART > Hi Janine, > > I just did a quick search on the LDS website and came up with the following > marriages: > > Alexander Stewart M Elizabeth Ferguson, 5/6/1825, St Cuthberts Edinburgh > > Alexander Stewart M Elizabeth Dunlop 27/9/1831, South Leith > > Alexander Stewart M Elizabeth Carr 20/10/1834, St Cuthberts > > (I had people living in Leith and South Lieth who were also married at St > Cuthberts) > > I also found 3 children born to a Alexander Stewart and Elizabeth Hay in > Leith around your timeframe. > > Go to www.familysearch.org and follow the prompts. > > Good luck, > > Ian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janine H" <catsrule@thehouse.net.au> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:31 PM > Subject: [MLN] Fw: Alexander STEWART > > > > > > > > Hi, I'm just new to this list and wanted to make enquiries about the > Stewart family of Leith. Alexander, his wife Elizabeth ? and four children > sailed to Australia as an assisted passenger on the Duchess of > Northemberland on 6 Aug 1839. I have information that he appears on the > Register of Emmigrant Labourers No 4624, Embarkation No. 3250. I'm not sure > if this information is available from South Australia. I am seeking his > town of origin, and possibly a marriage and or parents names?. His oldest > child was 13 at the time, so their marriage is circa 1826 ish. He was a > Shepherd at the time. I would appreciate your kind help. > > > > Cheers and Thanks > > Janine Hinton > > South Australia > >

Thanks very much for that Duncan. From my working out this is where I would suspect it to be. And the years are in the right period. Thanks again. Make sure the weather is nice for me in July, I will be in Dundee then. Terry in Fremantle, Western Australia Original Message: ----------------- From: Duncan Smith d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:27:19 -0000 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] Re: Baylon or Bayton Place, Edinburgh Terry, I can't find a Baylon / Bayton Place, but there used to be a Bayton Terrace. It was a side road to the East of Granton Road, and was almost opposite where Wardie Crescent joins the modern day Granton Road in the Granton / Wardie area. The name Bayton Terrace only existed between about 1879 - 1900. Duncan, Dundee -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Hi Janine, I just did a quick search on the LDS website and came up with the following marriages: Alexander Stewart M Elizabeth Ferguson, 5/6/1825, St Cuthberts Edinburgh Alexander Stewart M Elizabeth Dunlop 27/9/1831, South Leith Alexander Stewart M Elizabeth Carr 20/10/1834, St Cuthberts (I had people living in Leith and South Lieth who were also married at St Cuthberts) I also found 3 children born to a Alexander Stewart and Elizabeth Hay in Leith around your timeframe. Go to www.familysearch.org and follow the prompts. Good luck, Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janine H" <catsrule@thehouse.net.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: [MLN] Fw: Alexander STEWART > > > Hi, I'm just new to this list and wanted to make enquiries about the Stewart family of Leith. Alexander, his wife Elizabeth ? and four children sailed to Australia as an assisted passenger on the Duchess of Northemberland on 6 Aug 1839. I have information that he appears on the Register of Emmigrant Labourers No 4624, Embarkation No. 3250. I'm not sure if this information is available from South Australia. I am seeking his town of origin, and possibly a marriage and or parents names?. His oldest child was 13 at the time, so their marriage is circa 1826 ish. He was a Shepherd at the time. I would appreciate your kind help. > > Cheers and Thanks > Janine Hinton > South Australia >

Here are two Steele birth from 1810 time frame. Below are 15 Heughs from the Bathgate area, no Heugh/Steele connection in this file. Visit your local FHC for more data and register films if available. I have No additional data or interest in this surname. Hope the data helps with your research. Bob Cdn. ========================================== STEEL, Janet Bir 1814 Scot WeLo Torphi Fa: Robert STEEL Mo: Janet RANKEN STEEL, Janet Bir 1818 Scot WeLo Linlit Fa: William STEEL Mo: Elisabeth MURRAY ------------------------------------------------------ HEUGH, Archibald Bir 1779 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: Archibald HEUGH Mo: Margaret HAMILTON HEUGH, Alexander Bir 1783 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: Archibald HEUGH Mo: Margret HAMILTON HEUGH, Elisabeth Bir 1791 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: Archibald HEUGH Mo: Margaret HAMILTON HEUGH, Mary Bir 1794 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: Archibald HEUGH Mo: Margaret HAMILTON HEUGH, Archibald Bir 1804 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: Archibald HEUGH Mo: Margaret WALKER HEUGH, Mary Bir 1806 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: Archibald HEUGH Mo: Margaret WALKER HEUGH, Margaret Bir 1808 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: Archibald HEUGH Mo: Margaret WALKER HEUGH, Margaret Bir 1809 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: James HEUGH Mo: Mary RAMSAY HEUGH, Thomas Bir 1817 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: Archibald HEUGH Mo: Jean CLARKSON HEUGH, Alexander Bir 1823 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: Archibald HEUGH Mo: Jean CLARKSON HUGHES, Bir 1850 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: Arthur HUGHES Mo: HUGHES, Bir 1851 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: Arthur HUGHES Mo: HEUGH, Bir 1852 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: Arthur HEUGH Mo: HEUGH, James Bir 1853 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: James HEUGH Mo: Mary URE HEUGH, William Bir 1854 Scot WeLo Bathga Fa: James HEUGH Mo: Mary URE ========================================== <SNIP> Subject: [MLN] Jane Steele I am searching for Jane Steele, my gr grandmother who married Archibald Heugh on the 27 June !835. I have an estimated birth year of 1811,

Dear Listers I am searching for Jane Steele, my gr grandmother who married Archibald Heugh on the 27 June !835. I have an estimated birth year of 1811, deduced from the census year of 1841 as being 30 years old. The IGI has no other records that I have discovered for her birth or death years or for her parents. The census records show that she was born in Bathgate WLN where she was married & lived. Is there an archival office or person in Bathgate WLN that might have some of these dates or information. She died some time between 1851 census and the year 1856 for Archibald Heugh had married a Jenet Moffatt that year. James Heugh

Hi, I'm just new to this list and wanted to make enquiries about the Stewart family of Leith. Alexander, his wife Elizabeth ? and four children sailed to Australia as an assisted passenger on the Duchess of Northemberland on 6 Aug 1839. I have information that he appears on the Register of Emmigrant Labourers No 4624, Embarkation No. 3250. I'm not sure if this information is available from South Australia. I am seeking his town of origin, and possibly a marriage and or parents names?. His oldest child was 13 at the time, so their marriage is circa 1826 ish. He was a Shepherd at the time. I would appreciate your kind help. Cheers and Thanks Janine Hinton South Australia

Thank you to all of those who responded to my request for census index information. Mery

Could some one advise if there is an index for the 1851 and 1861 censuses for Edinburgh. Please oblige. Mery

Trying to trace Mary Arnot 1875 and Wm. Lumsden Forrest1879 Margaret Simpson Black. 1879 George Finnie Neill around the same time. All donations greatfully received. ___________________________________________________________ FREE weekend phone calls! NO monthly fee, NO contract! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services/smarttalk/?StartupCode=OL063&srccode=COD_563

Evening All. Looking for the location of Baylon or Bayton Place, Grantonhead, Leith. This was in 1881 but cannot find it on modern maps. Happy Hunting Terry