I am looking for a Sarah Stewart, who may have given birth to John Mackenzie 1867, in Granton That's all the information I have Elizabeth in Canada

Would someone kindly explain to me what this 'Treatise' is? Season's Greetings! Lisa Wellbelove, Burnt River, Ont., Canada Researching: PEDDER - London, possibly Herts TAYLOR - Medway, Felixstowe WELLBELOVE - GLOBAL {all spellings} HOGG - Sligo, IRE EWART - Down, IRE EAGLESON - IRE DONNACHIE - Ayr, SCT CAMPBELL - Ayr, SCT GILLINGHAM - SFK & SRY email: lisawellbelove@sympatico.ca

Hi Gordon, If you are still sending this out, I would appreciate a copy. Thanks for sharing with all of us. Happy Holidays to all. Carole at lambertb@ix.netcom.com -----Original Message----- From: gordon crooks [mailto:glcrooks@bcpl.net] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:02 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] Treatise of Scots parishes and language There is a long treatise on Scots parishes, towns and language which is too long to be sent on this web. I will firward it directly to anyone who wants it. Gordon

Good Evening Everyone I am off on holiday until after the new year, I would like to take this opportunity the wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Best Wishes Marion Morpeth --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.805 / Virus Database: 547 - Release Date: 03/12/2004

Could you please send on to me as I did not get a copy. Kind Regards Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:38 PM Subject: [MLN] Scots parishes & language > I think I have covered everone who want this, I did get some mail returns, if you didn't get it contact me at: > > glcrooks@bcpl.net >

Link Gordon. Rehards Brian in Scotland.Seasons Greetings. http://aolsearch.aol.co.uk/web?query=Alexander%20Grant%20Provost%20of%20Cullen&location=wholeweb&isinit=true At Wednesday 15/12/2004 15:30, you wrote: >I am trying to help another person who lives in France he is looking for >decendants of: Alexander Grant who was Provost of Cullen in 1886-1888, >relected and served till 1891. He married Jane Merson and had at least two >sons Charles and John both born in Cullen. Alexander Grant is the great >great grandfather of my wife Emma Grant who would like to meet any cousins >still living in Scotland or else where in the world. >If anyone has any info please pass it on to mne and I will forward it to >France. > > Gordon Crooks

Hello Gordon, I would like a copy myself , please. Thanks! J McArthur Nutter New England USA

Hello All I'd like to say a big thank you to Gwenda Oxley, A&S Thom and Bob for the comprehensive and detailed information they have given me. It is fascinating. I really appreciate your doing this for me. Evelyn MacCallum

I am trying to help another person who lives in France he is looking for decendants of: Alexander Grant who was Provost of Cullen in 1886-1888, relected and served till 1891. He married Jane Merson and had at least two sons Charles and John both born in Cullen. Alexander Grant is the great great grandfather of my wife Emma Grant who would like to meet any cousins still living in Scotland or else where in the world. If anyone has any info please pass it on to mne and I will forward it to France. Gordon Crooks

I think I have covered everone who want this, I did get some mail returns, if you didn't get it contact me at: glcrooks@bcpl.net

I didnt get it yet

I, too, would appreciate a copy of the treatise. Thank you, Valerie Hume vhume@shaw.ca

I would appreciate a copy. BettyJean Fritts bjfritts@smt-net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret ODonnell" <MargaretVB@modonnell62.fsnet.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [MLN] Treatise of Scots parishes and language > Hello Gordon, > Can you send me a copy please. > Kind Regards > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 8:02 PM > Subject: [MLN] Treatise of Scots parishes and language > > >> There is a long treatise on Scots parishes, towns and language which is > too long to be sent on this web. I will firward it directly to anyone who > wants it. >> >> Gordon >> >

Hello All I am new to this list and am hoping that someone will be able to help me with my family history research. My Gt gt gtgt grandfather Alexander Hislop, a tailor in Leith, who married Agnes Buchan on 01/04/1821 in Leith South. Agnes was born I think, in Liberton on 7th August 1794 . If I am right then Agnes's father was McKenzie Buchan and mother Mary Stobo (OPR INDEX Births & Christenings 1553-1854) but I have not managed to confirm this. Is any lister able to advise me as to how to proceed with my search, please? I know Agnes Buchan had a brother Matthew as I have a family photograph album from him which is inscribed to his nephew " To Captain George Hislop to remind him of his uncle Matthew Buchan". George passed his Master's Ticket in Sunderland in1852 after marrying in Tynemouth, North Shields in 1848. Only a few of the photos are named. One is of a group of young soldiers from the Crimea war. Were battalions of the "Pal" type for this area and is it possible to trace any family through military records? The Liberton website has not given any reference to a Buchan or Hislop other than a gravestone inscribed to a Marion Brown / Sneep family 1792, with a father in law James Hislop, burial on May 10th 1799 included at the base. I do not know if there is any family connection here. If anyone is able to assist me in any or all of my queries, I would be most grateful. In anticipation Evelyn MacCallum

It was with some interest that I read the following email, and I would like to pose a question here... Just what records were you looking at? If they were records of members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), then the segment below is a copy/paste from the screen regarding the Church's member records... "Microfilm of original records in the LDS Church Historian's Office, Salt Lake City. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May print only direct ancestor and those born 95+ years ago. All other information must be crossed out." These are the only restrictions on searching Church Members records. If the records you were searching for were general ones, then you are incorrect... all those records are for each and everyone of us to search. If you go to www.familysearch.org - click on the search tab then click on family history library catalog - once there you can search for anywhere in the world, and if the Church has filmed documents there then the films will be available to all. Regards, Barbara (a member of the Church for the past 42 years) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Reid" <bluebel2@tpg.com.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: [MLN] MURRAY.CRAWFORD.BINNIE. > Jeanette, > aparently u either have to be Mormon, or have evidence of some sort that > you > are related to someone on the film before they will allow a non member to > view it, at the time it seemed too much bother so I have never applied to > view it yet. My Murrays went thru to Bothwell parish to farm, not sure > why. > Elizabeth -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.2 - Release Date: 13/12/2004

Evelyn, IGI has the following: Matthew Buchan b. 1 Apr 1796, Liberton Agnes Buchan b. 7 Aug 1794 Liberton. In IGI Agnes Marriage to Alexander Hislop also includes McKenzie Buchan as the bride's father. Matthew Buchan m. Christian Renton 24 May 1822 St Cuthbert's MLN McKenzie Buchan m. Mary Stobie (Stobo?) 8 Oct 1788 Edinburgh Parish. This is an LDS patron submission??? Mary Stobie b. 3 Sept 1764, Associate Session Church, Dalkeith MLN d/o Matthew Stobie and Mary Cochrane. Other children - Helen, Agens, James, Matthew. You would know if these names repeat in the children of Hislop/Buchan. The Scots tended to follow a naming pattern but it was not carved in stone. However some of the names are likely to repeat. You would need to visit an LDS family history center to check out the OPRs for these parishes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K.D, MacCallum" <kemac@tiscali.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:26 PM Subject: [MLN] BUCHAN and HISLOP FAMILIES > Hello All > > I am new to this list and am hoping that someone will be able to help me with my family history research. > My Gt gt gtgt grandfather Alexander Hislop, a tailor in Leith, who married Agnes Buchan on 01/04/1821 in Leith South. > > Agnes was born I think, in Liberton on 7th August 1794 . If I am right then Agnes's father was McKenzie Buchan and mother Mary Stobo (OPR INDEX Births & Christenings 1553-1854) but I have not managed to confirm this. Is any lister able to advise me as to how to proceed with my search, please? > > I know Agnes Buchan had a brother Matthew as I have a family photograph album from him which is inscribed to his nephew " To Captain George Hislop to remind him of his uncle Matthew Buchan". George passed his Master's Ticket in Sunderland in1852 after marrying in Tynemouth, North Shields in 1848. Only a few of the photos are named. One is of a group of young soldiers from the Crimea war. Were battalions of the "Pal" type for this area and is it possible to trace any family through military records? > > The Liberton website has not given any reference to a Buchan or Hislop other than a gravestone inscribed to a Marion Brown / Sneep family 1792, with a father in law James Hislop, burial on May 10th 1799 included at the base. I do not know if there is any family connection here. > > If anyone is able to assist me in any or all of my queries, I would be most grateful. > > In anticipation > > Evelyn MacCallum > > >

Evelyn, Here the Hislop(e) births in Liberton that are on the source disks. I have NO additional data or interest in these surnames. Bob Cdn. --------------------------------------------------- HISLOPE, Agnes Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 20 May 1669 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Thomas HISLOPE Mother: Agnes STARK Source: FHL Film 1067782 Dates: 1624 - 1771 HISLOP, Janet Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 13 Sep 1696 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: James HISLOP Mother: Jane KENNEDY Source: FHL Film 1067782 Dates: 1624 - 1771 HISLOP, Hugh Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Apr 1701 Christening Date: 20 Apr 1701 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: James HISLOP Mother: Jane KENNEDY Source: FHL Film 1067782 Dates: 1624 - 1771 HISLOP, Lilias Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 8 Mar 1701 Christening Date: 9 Mar 1701 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: John HISLOP Mother: Jane THOMSONE Source: FHL Film 1067782 Dates: 1624 - 1771 HISLOP, Andrew Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 31 Jul 1703 Christening Date: 2 Aug 1703 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Andrew HISLOP Mother: Isabel CLERK Source: FHL Film 1067782 Dates: 1624 - 1771 HISLOP, Margaret Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 18 Feb 1766 Christening Date: 23 Feb 1766 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: George HISLOP Mother: Elizabeth EUART Source: FHL Film 1067782 Dates: 1762 - 1766 HISLOP, Violet Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 30 Mar 1792 Christening Date: 24 Apr 1792 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: David HISLOP Mother: Jean GATT Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 HISLOP, Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 21 May 1797 Christening Date: 29 May 1797 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Robert HISLOP Mother: Elizabeth BERRY Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 HISLOP, Elizabeth Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 29 Apr 1799 Christening Date: 10 May 1799 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Robert HISLOP Mother: Elizabeth BERRIE Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 ====================================================================== -----Original Message----- From: K.D, MacCallum [mailto:kemac@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 14-Dec-04 1:26 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] BUCHAN and HISLOP FAMILIES

Evelyn Below are members of your Buchan family, there are a few more than you mentioned the message. Take note of the spelling of STOBIE/STOBO. You must check all variations of the name. The second batch (some repeats) are the Buchan births in Liberton, must be a connection to yours within this grouping. """I have NO additional data or interest in these surnames.""" A second message (later) will have some Hislop data on it, Merry Christmas Bob Cdn. ------------------------------------------------ BUCHAN, James Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 28 Feb 1791 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Mackenzie BUCHAN Mother: Mary STOBIE Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 ---------------------------------------------- BUCHAN, Mckenzie Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Dec 1792 Christening Date: 11 Jan 1793 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Mckenzie BUCHAN Mother: Mary STOBIE Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 --------------------------------------------------- BUCHAN, Mckenzie Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Dec 1792 Christening Date: 11 Jan 1793 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Mckenzie BUCHAN Mother: Mary STOBIE Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 ------------------------------------------------ BUCHAN, Agnes Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 11 Jul 1794 Christening Date: 7 Aug 1794 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Mckenzie BUCHAN Mother: Mary STOBO Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 ------------------------------------------ BUCHAN, Matthew Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 13 Feb 1796 Christening Date: 1 Apr 1796 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Mckenzie BUCHAN Mother: Mary STOBO Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 ================================================== BUCHAN, John Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 1 Aug 1669 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: John BUCHAN Mother: Jonet ECFURD Source: FHL Film 1067782 Dates: 1624 - 1771 BUCHAN, Robert Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 26 Mar 1704 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Mother: Jane BUCHAN Source: FHL Film 1067782 Dates: 1624 - 1771 BUCHAN, John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 11 Aug 1742 Birthplace: , Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Alexander BUCHAN Mother: Helen SMITH Source: FHL Film 1067782 Dates: 1624 - 1771 BUCHAN, Margaret Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 4 Jul 1750 Birthplace: , Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Charles BUCHAN Mother: Margaret LAWSON Source: FHL Film 1067782 Dates: 1624 - 1771 BUCHAN, Mary Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 16 Feb 1789 Christening Date: 17 Mar 1789 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Mackenzie BUCHAN Mother: Mary STOBIE Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 BUCHAN, James Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 28 Feb 1791 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Mackenzie BUCHAN Mother: Mary STOBIE Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 BUCHAN, Mckenzie Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Dec 1792 Christening Date: 11 Jan 1793 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Mckenzie BUCHAN Mother: Mary STOBIE Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 BUCHAN, Agnes Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 11 Jul 1794 Christening Date: 7 Aug 1794 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Mckenzie BUCHAN Mother: Mary STOBO Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 BUCHAN, Edward Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 27 Mar 1796 Christening Date: 3 Apr 1796 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Andrew BUCHAN Mother: Catherine HADDO Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 BUCHAN, Matthew Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 13 Feb 1796 Christening Date: 1 Apr 1796 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Mckenzie BUCHAN Mother: Mary STOBO Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 BUCHAN, Isabella Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 15 Nov 1799 Christening Date: 16 Dec 1799 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Mckenzie BUCHAN Mother: Jean BUCHAN Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 BUCHAN, John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 26 Jul 1801 Christening Date: 12 Aug 1801 Recorded in: Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Mckenzie BUCHAN Mother: Jane BUCKHAM Source: FHL Film 1067783 Dates: 1771 - 1820 ================================================================= -----Original Message----- From: K.D, MacCallum [mailto:kemac@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 14-Dec-04 1:26 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] BUCHAN and HISLOP FAMILIES Hello All I am new to this list and am hoping that someone will be able to help me with my family history research. My Gt gt gtgt grandfather Alexander Hislop, a tailor in Leith, who married Agnes Buchan on 01/04/1821 in Leith South. Agnes was born I think, in Liberton on 7th August 1794 . If I am right then Agnes's father was McKenzie Buchan and mother Mary Stobo (OPR INDEX Births & Christenings 1553-1854) but I have not managed to confirm this. Is any lister able to advise me as to how to proceed with my search, please? I know Agnes Buchan had a brother Matthew as I have a family photograph album from him which is inscribed to his nephew " To Captain George Hislop to remind him of his uncle Matthew Buchan". George passed his Master's Ticket in Sunderland in1852 after marrying in Tynemouth, North Shields in 1848. Only a few of the photos are named. One is of a group of young soldiers from the Crimea war. Were battalions of the "Pal" type for this area and is it possible to trace any family through military records? The Liberton website has not given any reference to a Buchan or Hislop other than a gravestone inscribed to a Marion Brown / Sneep family 1792, with a father in law James Hislop, burial on May 10th 1799 included at the base. I do not know if there is any family connection here. If anyone is able to assist me in any or all of my queries, I would be most grateful. In anticipation Evelyn MacCallum

Jeanette, aparently u either have to be Mormon, or have evidence of some sort that you are related to someone on the film before they will allow a non member to view it, at the time it seemed too much bother so I have never applied to view it yet. My Murrays went thru to Bothwell parish to farm, not sure why. Elizabeth Subject: Re: [MLN] MURRAY.CRAWFORD.BINNIE. > Hi Elizabeth > > I dont know anything about the names you are researching however I also have > traced some family moving from Bothwell and the surrounding areas to > Bathgate in West Lothian. The link in my case was farming however both areas > were large mining areas. Hope this helps. > > Do you know why those Bathgate films arent available to the general public? > > Jeanette > >> ______________________________

Thanks for your help. Whitehill Street runs from the shopping mall at Fort Kinnaird right along to the bridge where the new railway station is in Newcraighall. Numbers 56/58 would be the very last houses opposite the church and behind the church is the miners club. The odd numbers were on the church side and they were demolished in the 50's I think. I find this a bit confusing too as I class this area as Inveresk although as I went past the other day the sign for Musselburgh is further on. Thanks for all your info. Regards Eleanor -----Original Message----- From: Kodiak Web Design [mailto:kodiak@kodiak-web-design.com] Sent: 14 December 2004 00:07 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] 56 Whitehill Street Newcraighall Answering my own question, here's an excerpt from "The Place Names of Edinburgh": "WHITEHILL (Newcraighall) is shown thus on /Blaeu/ 1654 and was the original name of NEW HAILES, re-named in 1708 when it was acquired by the owner of Hailes, near East Linton. /Knox/ 1812 shows Hailes but also Whitehill at Wanton Walls; and this gave the names of WHITEHILL MAINS to the farm, WHITEHILL STREET to the row of cottages shown on /Ordnance survey/ 1852 as already developing beside the road earlier shown on Roy 1753, and WHITEHILL TERRACE to a row on the opposite sied, suppressed in the redevelopment of the mining village in 1980. WHITEHILL ROAD, also figured on /Roy/, is named as the road leading to Whitehill Mains. The place name is Anglian /hwit hyll/ or Scots /white hill/, evidently referring to a hill which, perhaps by reason of grassiness, showed up as paler amid the surrounding heathy landscape: possibly it was the knowe on which Whitehill House was later built; or else it may have been the low but prominent hill that rises to a summit in the west of Whitehill Mains." The area, known as Newcraighall, is in Portobello. There is still a Whitehill Street there, but I can't tell from the map I currently have open which street it is. The "Wanton Walls" (meaning "intermitent springs or wells) also shows up on this current map, and there is still a Miner's institute in the area as well. I can't help with your quest to learn when the cottages were removed, but next time I'm in Portobello I'll have a look for the area. It appears, though, to have been the way they were going, as the companion cottages were removed in 1980. Hope this is of some help. Leslie On 13/12/2004 23:48:41, midlothian-l@rootsweb.com wrote: > Elenor, > I can't find any mention of a Whitehill STREET in Edinburgh (modern map). > Could it be Whitehill AVENUE, DRIVE, FARM ROAD, GARDENS or GROVE? Those > are the Whithills I can find. >Leslie >On 13/12/2004 20:57:24, midlothian-l@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Can anybody help me to find out what happened to this house and number > > 58. > >Tried the council but they have no records of these houses being > > demolished. > > Could it have been something to do with the railway. > > Eleanor >Kodiak Web Design > http://www.kodiak-web-design.com > -- > browsers i use: >opera 6.06 and 7.54 > ie 5.0 and 6.0 > netscape 4.77, 6.2.3 and 7.2; Mozilla 1.7.3; Firefox 0.9 >WinXP Home (broadband) and Win98 (dialup) Kodiak Web Design http://www.kodiak-web-design.com -- Browsers I use: Opera 6.06 and 7.54 IE 5.0 and 6.0 Netscape 4.77, 6.2.3 and 7.2; Mozilla 1.7.3; Firefox 0.9 WinXP Home (broadband) and Win98 (dialup)