Hello List, I am researching my 3xgt/gr/mother Catherine SMITH, born Whitburn to Alexander SMITH and Agnes MUIR. I have found two marriages that could be her parents, Cramond 30 November 1798 and Stow 8th December 1798. The children at Whitburn are James 1810,Elizabeth1812,Catherine 1813 and Christian 1816. I presume there must have been more children born between 1798 and 1810, does anyone have an idea how to find them. Regards, Bev.

Hello Hugh, Yes, you've got my family in mind! In fact, when I travel to Uphall this coming February, we will be staying with Ainslie! You are correct, her brother James and your first friend, died very young (he was the Abbot of Paisley). His son Gordon Ross will be meeting us in Uphall with his family for a small reunion. James' other son, Alan, married and has a language school in Germany. Joyce Pinkerton Ross Hall now lives in the south. I will contact you off-list, I am delighted that you know of my family. Allison

Once again, please, would someone explain what this Scottish Treatise is! Thank you, Lisa Wellbelove, Burnt River, Ontario, Canada Researching: PEDDER - London, possibly Herts TAYLOR - Medway, Felixstowe WELLBELOVE - GLOBAL {all spellings} HOGG - Sligo, IRE EWART - Down, IRE EAGLESON - IRE DONNACHIE - Ayr, SCT CAMPBELL - Ayr, SCT GILLINGHAM - SFK & SRY email: lisawellbelove@sympatico.ca

Hi Gordon, I try to find some ancestors around Edinburgh. So I read many OPR and perhaps I made mistakes. I would be interested in receiving a copy of your treatise guide. Yves Aitken, France Yves et Geneviève AITKEN 30 rue du Moucherotte F-38320 POISAT France email: yaitken@club-internet.fr tel: +33(0)4 76 25 14 04

Hi Gordon, I would be interested in receiving a copy of your treatise guide. Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

On 21/12/04 8:16 pm, "Alistair Cameron" <acameron@hinet.net.au> wrote: >> New to this list ... Researching the family of Maggie Agnes Wightman >> BORTHWICK > > WELCOME! > > >> Whose family came from Borthwick and moved to Edinburgh and she married >> Henry Somerville HIRD of Letham Angus on 29 Febraury 1876 > > This looks like her in 1881: > ----------------------------- > Dwelling: Hemming Street Somerville Cote Thanks .. We know a lot about her from her marriage and also who her mother was > Hay WIGHTMAN died in Dunnichen age 83 in 1904 and though she is described as > single the informant is ŒMargt A HIRD daughter¹ and her parents are stated as > ŒAndrew WIGHTMAN forester Œ and ŒHay WIGHTMAN ms DEWAR We also know loads about her life with HSH and their children. I wrote to one contact ... > Margaret¹s maiden name is HIRD and her great grandfather James HIRD was born > near Forfar in1840. He was one of over 30 cousins and we are tracking down as > many as we can. > Henry Somerville HIRD is one of these and he lived in Letham after he married > Maggie Agnes Wightman BORTHWICK. In Letham he ran the family shop from his > fathers death in 1877 till 1890 then moved away ...but his eldest sister Mary > Ann HIRD took over and the shop is featured in the Letham website under her > name. Our puzzle is who was Maggie Agnes father ... And it is intriguing that in 1891 aunt Margaret WIGHTMAN was Œhouse keeper at the ŒMansion House¹ in Dunnichen and in the next property ŒHome Farm¹ lived William BORTHWICK ŒLocal Factor or Overseer¹ Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

Robin wrote here: > New to this list ... Researching the family of Maggie Agnes Wightman > BORTHWICK WELCOME! > Whose family came from Borthwick and moved to Edinburgh and she married > Henry Somerville HIRD of Letham Angus on 29 Febraury 1876 This looks like her in 1881: ----------------------------- Dwelling: Hemming Street Somerville Cote > Census Place: Dunnichen, Forfar, Scotland > Source: FHL Film 0203491 GRO Ref Volume 283 EnumDist 1 Page 9 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Henry S. HIRD M 29 M Dunnichen, Forfar, Scotland > Rel: Head > Occ: Draper & Grocer > Maggie A. B. HIRD M 25 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland > Rel: Wife > Occ: Draper & Grocers Wife > William B. HIRD 3 M Dunnichen, Forfar, Scotland > Rel: Son > Frederick G. HIRD 1 M Dunnichen, Forfar, Scotland > Rel: Son > Alice M. HIRD 1 m F Dunnichen, Forfar, Scotland > Rel: Daur > Margaret M. STIRLING U 18 F Dunnichen, Forfar, Scotland > Rel: Serv > Occ: General Serv (Domestic) > Hannah BURNETT 16 F Dunnichen, Forfar, Scotland > Rel: Serv > Occ: General Serv (Domestic) > ----------------------------------- > > She was daughter of Hay WIGHTMAN and supposedly born Edinburgh 1856? ... > But so far not definitely found ... > Father is stated at her marriage as Arthur BORTHWICK 'house servant' > BUT Hay WIGHTMAN is recorded at her death in 1904 age 83 as 'single' and > 'Margt A HIRD daughter 'was the informant. > > An interesting lady .... ------------------------ Yes, she lacks a spouse in the 1992 IGI, which shows that Hay Wightman [female] had a daur Hay Wightman bn Edinburgh 1855. That interesting deceased lady was mother of your Mrs Maggie Hird it seems. Cheers, ALISTAIR M. CAMERON A.A.G.R.A. Professional Genealogist http://quozl.netrek.org/cameron-research/ PO Box 215 BUNDANOON NSW 2578 AUSTRALIA

Hi Stephanie The 1881 UK Census on CD is definitely still available directly from the LDS Web-site http://www.ldscatalog.com/ , look under Family History/ Software & Databases, then, on the next page, Censuses. It costs $25.50 plus postage. If you don't live in the US then it can be expensive to buy this way because of the postage charges. However you can order it by phone from your local LDS distribution centre which you can find here http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/lds/WorldWide.jsp?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&langId=-1http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/lds/WorldWide.jsp?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&langId=-1. If this link doesn't work then just search using Google for LDS Worldwide Distribution Centres and you will find this page as the first choice. The census comes as a complete set and you have to buy all of it, not just the Scottish part. Alternatively you can find copies of it being offered on Ebay all the time which will be a lot cheaper. Sometimes people split the pack of CDs up and you may be able to pick up just the Scottish disks (of which there are two) for a few pounds but you will need to buy the viewer program to make them work. Hope this helps Bruce McArthur

Hello list, Researching in Midlothian: ORR - Corstorphan, Leith Westlothian: ORR - Kirkliston NICOL - Abercorn BISHOP - Ratho Eastlothian: FISHER - Whittinghame INGLIS - Preston Kirk Lanarkshire: FORREST - Carluke, Lanark, Coatbridge CROM - Carnwath, Forth KINNIBURGH - Airdrie, Parkhead in Barony Parish Marion Fyfe Cumbernauld North Lanarkshire

Hi Allison, I was born in Uphall and in my early childhood our family was neighbours to a James Ross. His wife`s name was Grace Darling Ross. They had one son James and a daughter Ainslie. The "Darling" name is not at all that comon in the Uphall area so it looks promissing. The son, James, became a C.of S. minister and married Joyce Pinkerton, the daughter of Rev. Pinkerton of Ecclesmachan and Ainslie became a teacher. I don`t think Ainslie ever married. The son James was I believe my first friend, probably from age of five years into early teens. He died very early in life, in his forties I believe. There were only two Ross families in Uphall at that time, the other being Alexander Ross who had a licensed grocery. Contact me if you feel there is a connection here. > > 3. If this helps, what I do know is that Daniel and Mary (McInally) ROSS > resided at 74 Salisbury Place, Uphall, West Lothian and had 8 children: > > James ROSS born circa 1888 Abercorn???, West Lothian (can't read 1901 > census) m. Euphemia Darling > > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer, > Allison Vidal > Tampa, FL > > >

Hello All, This is my first post to this list - I'm very happy to find this resource! I am searching for infromation for my 3grandparents James ROSS and Mary GARDEN ROSS and also John McINALLY and Catherine MUIRHEAD McINALLY. 1. My 2 grandfather Daniel ROSS b. 21 Aug 1858, Bathgate, Linlithgow. Son of James ROSS (Coal Miner) and Mary GARDEN ROSS. I have not had much success with finding information about James Ross and Mary Garden Ross. Daniel ROSS (Shale Miner) married Mary McINALLY (or McNALLY) 4 June 1886 in Broxburn. 2. Mary McINALLY born circa 1867 or 1868, ? location, daughter of John McINALLY and Catherine MUIRHEAD McINALLY; was also of Broxburn at the time of marriage. Stiking out on the McInally and Muirhead side, 3. If this helps, what I do know is that Daniel and Mary (McInally) ROSS resided at 74 Salisbury Place, Uphall, West Lothian and had 8 children: James ROSS born circa 1888 Abercorn???, West Lothian (can't read 1901 census) m. Euphemia Darling John ROSS born circa 1890 Abercorn?? , West Lothian Daniel ROSS born circa 1893, West Calder, Midlothian (I believe this son died in WWI) Peter ROSS born circa 1895, West Calder, Midlothian married Isabel Scott Robert ROSS born circa 1898, West Calder, Midlothian Alexander ROSS born 17 September 1900, Uphall, West Lothian (this is my grandfather) married Margaret McGilvray Dick (Morrison) Catherine ROSS born ? marrried James Crawford resided Glasgow area Mary ROSS born ? married Robert Smart, resided Edinburgh Thanks in advance for any help you can offer, Allison Vidal Tampa, FL

Gordon, If you haven't worn yourself out with this kind request I would also like a copy of the treatise. Thank you in advance, From Sydney Australia, Jennie Fairs

New to this list ... Researching the family of Maggie Agnes Wightman BORTHWICK Whose family came from Borthwick and moved to Edinburgh and she married Henry Somerville HIRD of Letham Angus on 29 Febraury 1876 She was daughter of Hay WIGHTMAN and supposedly born Edinburgh 1856? ... But so far not definitely found ... Father is stated at her marriage as Arthur BORTHWICK 'house servant' BUT Hay WIGHTMAN is recorded at her death in 1904 age 83 as 'single' and 'Margt A HIRD daughter 'was the informant. An interesting lady .... Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

Don, You should be able to get Richard and Elizabeth's marriage on Scotlands People web site, the marriage certificate will give you both sets of parents. Kind Regards Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Don Brearley" <brearley@reach.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:19 PM Subject: [MLN] Park/Rae genealogy > Richard Park married Elizabeth Rae on Feb 10, 1865 at Falkirk and > settled in Midlothian soon thereafter, where they had several children. > I would appreciate hearing from any lister who could tell me who her > parents were. Thank you Don > >

Gordon, I would also like a copy of the treatise and Thank you in advance Margaret Auckland New Zealand

I guess I missed out on all this conversation and I hate to have someone 'repeat' what was said, butttt, what are the 'treatise'? Marilyn - Fla. -----Original Message----- From: Claudia.Kerr@cancer.org [mailto:Claudia.Kerr@cancer.org] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:01 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] treatise I too would like the treatise. I am working on Kerrs in Midlothian. Thank you Claudia M. Kerr, CTR Department of Epidemiology American Cancer Society 1599 Clifton Road, NE Atlanta GA 30329 404-329-5778 (phone) 404-327-6450 (fax) claudia.kerr@cancer.org

Richard Park married Elizabeth Rae on Feb 10, 1865 at Falkirk and settled in Midlothian soon thereafter, where they had several children. I would appreciate hearing from any lister who could tell me who her parents were. Thank you Don

Hi; In your Kid's or Kidds do you have any info on Monica Kidd who was last in New Zealand she seem to be connected to the Matheson's and the Sutherlands [I think] Thank you Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doreen Baxter" <dorbax@tesco.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 7:52 AM Subject: [MLN] re: Roll Call > My interests are:- > > Midlothian - mostly Edinburgh: ARMSTRONG;SINCLAIR; KIDD; HARKES. > > East Lothian: HARKES/HERKES; RATTRAY; SANDERSON. > > Angus: KIDD; HILL. > > Fife: HUTTON; NESS; FYALL; FORGAN. > > > Doreen Baxter > >

I have been away so I hope I am Not too late, if you are still mailing the treatise I would be grateful for a copy too, Thankyou and merry christmas x > > > > > > > > > > >Claudia M. Kerr, CTR >Department of Epidemiology >American Cancer Society >1599 Clifton Road, NE >Atlanta GA 30329 >404-329-5778 (phone) >404-327-6450 (fax) >claudia.kerr@cancer.org > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

My interests are:- Midlothian - mostly Edinburgh: ARMSTRONG;SINCLAIR; KIDD; HARKES. East Lothian: HARKES/HERKES; RATTRAY; SANDERSON. Angus: KIDD; HILL. Fife: HUTTON; NESS; FYALL; FORGAN. Doreen Baxter