BTW where are you? We are only 30 miles from Uphall and have friends living in the next village of Dechmont. Robin I'm in Tampa, Florida; but will be visiting family in Uphall in February. Leslie, we hope to get to Almond Valley Farm (in Livingston, I believe). Yes, it's a small world! Allison

<<Looks like you should be on the West Lothian list asking the folks there about your Uphall families And then try the Renfrewshire list too. Robin>> Robin, Hmmmm, I thought I was! When I went on the ScotlandGenWeb project webpage specifically for West Lothian, http://www.scotlandgenweb.org/~westlothian/mail.html and click to access the mailing list - it sends me to Midlothian and identifies this list as being for: "MIDLOTHIAN-L Topic: the counties of East Lothian, Midlothian, and West Lothian, Scotland" Is there some other West Lothian list out there? Thanks, Allison

Hi Robin I saw your comment below: <<Looks like you should be on the West Lothian list asking the folks there about your Uphall families>> Maybe you haven't realised this is the West Lothian List or at least the only one that exists that covers the area, hence why I joined it. I quote from the entrypage to the list: "Topic: the counties of East Lothian, Midlothian, and West Lothian, Scotland, Great Britain." Just in case anyone feels unwelcome Gillian White

Hi Allison & Robin, you are quite correct, dispite the name this list covers all the Lothian's and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. :-) There is no seperate rootsweb list for WLN although is is an ELN one. cheers John Dods Wellington, New Zealand --- Allison Vidal <allswell58@hotmail.com> wrote: > <<Looks like you should be on the West Lothian list > asking the folks there > about your Uphall families And then try the > Renfrewshire list too. > > Robin>> > > Robin, > Hmmmm, I thought I was! When I went on the > ScotlandGenWeb project webpage > specifically for West Lothian, > > http://www.scotlandgenweb.org/~westlothian/mail.html > > and click to access the mailing list - it sends me > to Midlothian and > identifies this list as being for: > > "MIDLOTHIAN-L > > Topic: the counties of East Lothian, Midlothian, and > West Lothian, Scotland" > > Is there some other West Lothian list out there? > > Thanks, > Allison > > > ===== Proud to be a transcriber for the freeCEN Project and volunteer for Random Acts of Geneological Kindness Ask me how you can contribute to either of these worthy projects or for other ways of helping our hobby. Researching BATTERS in Yorkshire BENNIE in Lanarkshire, Dunbartonshire & West Lothian BENNING in Lanarkshire & Montreal COLLINS in California & PA COOPER in Yorkshire DODS in East Lothian, Berwickshire, British Columbia, Montreal, Manchester, South Africa, Hong Kong, India DOUGLAS in Lanarkshire FENTON in Edinbugh FISHER in Yorkshire FORREST in South Africa HAYTON in Yorkshire HEWAT in East Lothian LAMONT in Lanarkshire LEGGAT in Monreal MCLEAN in Argyllshire RANKINE in Dunbartonshire, Perthshire SEYMOUR in British Columbia & Montreal SHIRREFF in East Lothian SNELL in California, Oregeon SUFFILL/SUFFIELD in Yorkshire TROTTER, Lanarkshire, Stirlingshire, West Lothian WATSON in Brantford & Barrie, Ontario. WEIR in Argyllshire,Lanarkshie WILLIAMSON in Edinburgh & North Berwick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com

On 28/12/04 5:38 pm, "Allison Vidal" <allswell58@hotmail.com> wrote: > The family was in Uphall, WLN in 1901. The older children were born in West > Calder WLN. Looks like you should be on the West Lothian list asking the folks there about your Uphall families And then try the Renfrewshire list too. Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

Parish of Perth County of Perth pg. 355 November 1789 "Perth, the Sixth day of November, one thousand seven hundred & Eighty nine year, contracted George Jameson, Founder in Perth and Ann Young, daughter to Thomas Young, Oilmilner in Perth. Parties both in this Parish Elder John Eadie. The Persons beforenamed were regularly Proclaimed and Married the Sixteenth day of November said year by the Reverend Mr John Duff, Minister of the Gospel in Perth." Let me know if you want the scan of this document. Ken

Hello! Could SKS who has access to the 1851 census of Edinburgh please tell me if the Stephenson family were living at Fleshmarket Close, and what information is given - in particular, the birthplaces in England of Hugh and Margaret. Without knowing where they came from I can't trace back. In the 1841 census, FreeCen shows my Stephensons - widower Hugh Eskew STEPHENSON and children - were at Fleshmarket Close. Hugh and his daughter Margaret were listed as born in England, and I know that his daughter Isabella (who married James POCOCK JR. at the Free Kirk in 1839, recorded St. Cuthberts) was born at Ancrum, and his son William, who married first, Helen ANDERSON and second, Barbara THOMSON, was born at Hawick. Hugh was the widower of Jemima WHILLANS, who died in 1834 at Smailholm. His son Hugh had moved out and was a tea dealer in Edinburgh in 1841. Known children of Hugh Eskew Stephenson and Jemima Williams were Margaret, Jane, Isabella, William, Hugh, Elizabeth, and James. Does anyone know who the other children married? I wonder if Hugh Stephenson was, like James Pocock Sr., a Cameron Highlander, pensioned out after the Peninsular Wars and Waterloo! Your help would be very much appreciated. All the best, and Happy New Year! Sonia Murray Biloxi, MS USA

Jim, I see you have fulsome reply for item 2. Re item1, could F.E. be Further Education ? Archie Gilbert, Kinross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnott, J&H" <jta@islandnet.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 9:12 PM Subject: [MLN] Edinburgh Colleges & Kings Counsel > Hello Listers: > > I'd like to follow-up on two items: > > 1) On the 1891 Census of Newington, I find a female ancestral kin by the > name of Agnes WATSON b. Mid Calder MLN, aged 19, who is listed as "student > F.E. Training College" > --- would appreciate if some lister out there could enlighten me on what > the full name of this college is/was and what type of training students > could obtain there. > > 2) Her brother, Walter Tait WATSON, b. Mid Calder MLN, was 32 years of age, > and studying law in 1901 (presumably at Edinburgh University)......... & > ultimately became a Kings Counsel ( the KC was according to family > 'folklore'). > ---where might I write to confirm his status as a solicitor/lawyer?? > > Thanks in advance for your assistance > > Jim Arnott, Canada > > > > >

Robin, I know you weren't asking me, but I'm in Livingston and I work in Bathgate. Small world! Leslie On 28/12/2004 18:44:58, midlothian-l@rootsweb.com wrote: > On 28/12/04 5:38 pm, "Allison Vidal" <allswell58@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Are the valuation rolls at the National Archives? That sounds to be a > good > > idea. I do know that Mary was listed as a Draper and owned her own > shop. >> In fact my mother remebers seeing a photograph of her outside the shop > > (although the photo was lost). >Could be .. > I look at the ones for Angus in the local central libraries (is Dundee > or > Arbroath) > So for WLN try Blackburn .. See information on GENUKI at > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/WLN/index.html > And > http://www.westlothian.gov. > uk/content/leisure/libraries/104325/localhistory >BTW where are you? We are > only 30 miles from Uphall and have friends living > in the next village of Dechmont. >Robin >-- > Robin and Margaret McEwen-King > Lanark Scotland -- Kodiak Web Design http://www.kodiak-web-design.com

On 28/12/04 5:38 pm, "Allison Vidal" <allswell58@hotmail.com> wrote: > Are the valuation rolls at the National Archives? That sounds to be a good > idea. I do know that Mary was listed as a Draper and owned her own shop. > In fact my mother remebers seeing a photograph of her outside the shop > (although the photo was lost). Could be .. I look at the ones for Angus in the local central libraries (is Dundee or Arbroath) So for WLN try Blackburn .. See information on GENUKI at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/WLN/index.html And http://www.westlothian.gov.uk/content/leisure/libraries/104325/localhistory BTW where are you? We are only 30 miles from Uphall and have friends living in the next village of Dechmont. Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

I have an extra name on my request from 1789 Nov. Marriage records. If anyone is interested in John Dunn marriage to Elizabeth Downes in Nov 1789 Let me know. Also: Mc Wallis Lyme marriage to Frances Darby Nov 1789 Let me know and I will forward the text. Ken

I have extra name on my request from Nov 1789. If anyone is in need of a marriage on: George Jameson and Ann Young Nov 1789 let me know and I will forward the details. Ken

I recieved my GGGrandfather's birth and there are a few more on the page. I would be glad to share the info. James Flucker b. Jan 1835 John Wallace b. Nov 1831 Baptized Feb 1835 Cecelia Wallace b. Oct 11, 1834 Let me know if you want the text or the complete info.... Ken

Hello Gwenda, Thank you for your reply regarding my SMITH family of Whitburn. I had seen the other children who were born at Cockpen, wasn't sure that they were the same family, but I think now they must be. Regards, Bev.

Dear Marion, Darn it all! I was hoping you'd have the "key" to unlocking my lost family. I have not found any May Nicol -- but I also haven't been able to trace my Nicols in Scotland so there may well be a connection. I will keep you information in my Nicol file -- and you never know what might happen! Happy New Year. Penny Penny Nicol James Katy, Texas

<<How old was she in 1901 and what was the family group?>> Robin, it's hard to read as it was crossed out several times, but she looks to be 33 years of age in 1901. <<So we would persevere with scotlandspeople and try as many variations as you can come up with. Working back in time step by step is essential to be sure the family is the same ..... We went off on a wrong trail for generations because we were not rigorous enough about which John B we were looking at .. Then a chance review 10 years later when the census index came available online showed us our mistake ..which we could have avoided in the first place.>> All right. I'll persevere with scotlandspeople. This choosing the wrong person is exactly what I am afraid of.... I did check the 1891 census for Daniel Ross (since I know his name and birthdate correctly from his birth and marriage certs). Mary would have been married to him for 5 years or so by then. And although there were 6 entries, none are correct. I did not restrict the search geographically at all. I also searched 1881 for Mary McNally, McNalley and McInally and there are none that fit. Any entry listed had parents that did not match either parent listed on her marriage certificate. I guess there could be errors with repsect to how old they were or said they were, so I'll need to go back and open up the search criteria, perhaps. <<Not sure you said where this family is .. Have you tried the Valuation rolls or local trade street directory ... We found a missing 1901 HIRD family in Dundee thanks to help from the Dundee City Library Local Studies Staff and I suspect there are similar great folk in Edinburgh Dalkeith or wherever your family should be.>> The family was in Uphall, WLN in 1901. The older children were born in West Calder WLN. On the 1901 census it lists that Mary was born in Barrhead, Renfrewshire. Are the valuation rolls at the National Archives? That sounds to be a good idea. I do know that Mary was listed as a Draper and owned her own shop. In fact my mother remebers seeing a photograph of her outside the shop (although the photo was lost). Alternately, is there a listing for Coal Miner's? My great grandfather rose quite high in the organizational side of that group. Is my best bet the National Archives? Thanks and best wishes, Allison

On 27/12/04 2:52 pm, "Allison Vidal" <allswell58@hotmail.com> wrote: > Robin, I have not found her in the 1881 or 1891 Census - only 1901. So, > still looking. FreeCen doesn't give me any hits, but then again, it didn't > give me hits for ones that I have in hand, so I'm a bit confused on that > one! How old was she in 1901 and what was the family group? Freecen is a volunteer project which is in its early days and is repeating work already done by the GROS who have put the full index on their site for 1881 and 1891 ..and will be putting the earlier ones on sometime in 2005 (despite ambitions to do so early this year) So we would persevere with scotlandspeople and try as many variations as you can come up with. Working back in time step by step is essential to be sure the family is the same ..... We went off on a wrong trail for generations because we were not rigorous enough about which John B we were looking at .. Then a chance review 10 years later when the census index came available online showed us our mistake ..which we could have avoided in the first place. So try again in 1891 .. Not sure you said where this family is .. Have you tried the Valuation rolls or local trade street directory ... We found a missing 1901 HIRD family in Dundee thanks to help from the Dundee City Library Local Studies Staff and I suspect there are similar great folk in Edinburgh Dalkeith or wherever your family should be Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:12:44 -0800, "Arnott, J&H" <jta@islandnet.com> wrote: >2) Her brother, Walter Tait WATSON, b. Mid Calder MLN, was 32 years of age, >and studying law in 1901 (presumably at Edinburgh University)......... & >ultimately became a Kings Counsel ( the KC was according to family >'folklore'). >---where might I write to confirm his status as a solicitor/lawyer?? I can confirm that he was indeed a solicitor, then advocate, and then KC. He is listed in The Scottish Record Society's "The Faculty of Advocates in Scotland 1532-1943, with genealogical notes", published in 1944. The entry reads: ====== Watson, Walter Tait, MA LLB. Admitted to the Faculty of Advocates 18 Mar 1902. Son of Walter Watson MD, Mid Calder, born 9 Mar 1869, died 18 Sep 1929. Educated for UP Church, KC 10 Oct 1921. ====== Kelly's Handbook for 1929 gives his address as 60 Great King Street, Edinburgh. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson - British Military Genealogical Researcher. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com

Hello Listers: I'd like to follow-up on two items: 1) On the 1891 Census of Newington, I find a female ancestral kin by the name of Agnes WATSON b. Mid Calder MLN, aged 19, who is listed as "student F.E. Training College" --- would appreciate if some lister out there could enlighten me on what the full name of this college is/was and what type of training students could obtain there. 2) Her brother, Walter Tait WATSON, b. Mid Calder MLN, was 32 years of age, and studying law in 1901 (presumably at Edinburgh University)......... & ultimately became a Kings Counsel ( the KC was according to family 'folklore'). ---where might I write to confirm his status as a solicitor/lawyer?? Thanks in advance for your assistance Jim Arnott, Canada

Thank you all for your comments regarding my maiden name challenge. It's very nice to know I'm not alone on this type of problem....37 different spellings - oh my, BJ! You must deserve the fortitude award by now! Robin, I have not found her in the 1881 or 1891 Census - only 1901. So, still looking. FreeCen doesn't give me any hits, but then again, it didn't give me hits for ones that I have in hand, so I'm a bit confused on that one! If anyone has other suggestions for sources for these Census, I'd appreciate it. Between not having a clear physical location for Mary McNalley/McNally/McInally in 1881 and 1891, I've burned up a lot of credits on scotlandspeople.gov and have nothing. Yes, being a novice IS expensive :) Thanks Eleanor, I'll just keep track on the variations and move on! It sounds like the birth cert that matches her parents first names and her mother's maiden is my best bet and now I'll have to substantiate it somehow. Happy New Year to all, Allison > > >Yes this is normal .... >Have you found her with family in the 1881 Census ... And again in 1891 > > >Robin > > >--> >Do not worry about the spelling as it was not important in those days just >look at all the variations. >Regards >Eleanor Robertson > >> >I'm up to 37 spellings of my mother's maiden name..... and 43 of one of my >brick wall names (spelled Batchelder on the woman's marriage record). To >give this a Midlothian connection, you don't want to know how many ways >McGee (MacGee, McGhie, Magee, and so on....) was spelled in various >mid/late >19th century Edinburgh records. So three different spellings is nothing! >Just makes the hunt more interesting ;-) > >If you want ideas for searching in NY, email me off-list and I'll try to >help. > >BJ > > >