Thelma, I live in Canada and I get loads of certificates from all the known sources such as scotlands people et.c. It is beautiful to go there and wander through cemeteries, as I have also done, but you can do much just sitting in front of your computer. Oh yes, and your visa number... But I jest, there is more and more free stuff. Another hint: get involved in any transcription projects that are going on in your county and parish of interest. That way, you get first look at the original information as well as making a great contribution to the wider genealogy community. Don't despair! Elizabeth Dods ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thelma" <springdaleia@yahoo.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: [MLN] Re: Wishes, wishes, wishes > Man alive....how I wish I lived there in Scotland so I > could hunt through old cemetaries and certificates > with all of you. I get green with envy everytime one > of you says you have a certificate of this person or > that...you have their family book with oodles of > information in it.....yearn, yearn, yearn! Thelma > > > ===== > Thelma from Ivins, Utah > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > >

Thelma: You can do that here, I have traced and found every grave in my direct line covering 264 years in America. I am missing four which I will never find as their remains were moved, I know where they are, but there are no stones. In addition to which I know every good country restaurant in Western Pa.Been to Scotland more times then I can remember (that is Scotland, Pennsylvania - which is a small old town in Franklin County, the home of the Ulster Scots largest settlement area) Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thelma" <springdaleia@yahoo.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: [MLN] Re: Wishes, wishes, wishes > Man alive....how I wish I lived there in Scotland so I > could hunt through old cemetaries and certificates > with all of you. I get green with envy everytime one > of you says you have a certificate of this person or > that...you have their family book with oodles of > information in it.....yearn, yearn, yearn! Thelma > > > ===== > Thelma from Ivins, Utah > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > >

Hi Rhona Thanks for the offer. Will take you up on the Agnes Lumsden one. As that is a family name that I have and see where it goes from there. Regards Marion >-- Original Message -- >From: "Tom and Rhona Seath" <trseath@bigpond.com> >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 02:53:54 +1100 >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MLN] Estra certificates > > >I have the following extra certificates if they are of interest to anyone > >1887 Birth District Canongate > >Catherine McKenzie BROWN parents James Bank BROWN and Christina MCKENZIE > >1894 Marriage district St Giles > >John McDOWELL s/o Robert McDOWELL and Mary Jane COLLINS and >Mary O'DONNELL d/o Hugh O'DONNELL and Grace SWEENEY > >Hugh REID s/o John REID and Helen JAMIESON and >Agnes LUMSDEN d/o John LUMSDEN and Agnes CORSTORHINE? > >1899 marriage district Canongate > >John KERR s/o John KERR and Margaret LAWSON and >Mary O'DONNELL d/o Michael O'DONNELL and Margaret JUDGE > >James Robert HUGHES s/o James HUGHES and Annie SMITH and >Christina Jane BERRY d/o James BERRY and Janet LAWSON > >1908 marriage District St Giles > >George LYALLs/o James LYALL and Florence ROSS and >Mary O'DONNELL d/o Bernard O'DONNELL and Magaret REILLY > >Patrick STAPLETON s/o Patrick STAPLETON and Catherine WILSON and >Elizabeth DOLAN d/o Michael DOLAN and Bridget DEAGAN > >1912 Deaths district Canongate > >James HOPE married to Helen GILBERT s/o James HOPE and Helen DUKE > >Jane Gray DIGNALL married to Robert DIGNALL d/o Robert GRIEVE and Jane GRAY > >1923 Deaths district George Square > >John O'DONNELL married to Agnes McCANN s/o Terrence O'DONNELL and Mary Jane >McGUIRE > >Jessie MarieTHORNTON d/o Alexander THORNTON and Agnes WILKIE > >Take Care > >Rhona > > > > ___________________________________________________________ FREE weekend phone calls! NO monthly fee, NO contract! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services/smarttalk/?StartupCode=OL063&srccode=COD_563

Man alive....how I wish I lived there in Scotland so I could hunt through old cemetaries and certificates with all of you. I get green with envy everytime one of you says you have a certificate of this person or that...you have their family book with oodles of information in it.....yearn, yearn, yearn! Thelma ===== Thelma from Ivins, Utah __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

I am searching the SUTHERLAND name also; Do you have the children of this Alexander? Thanks, Ken

Catherine, Did a check of the FHC BIVRI2 data disks and found the following. Could not find any marriage for your two people. The 1881 Census for Scotland gave up Alexander and Betsy combination from Edinburgh, now you have the children listed for this time frame. I could not find any of his children since the latest is 1854 and your Alex for 1931 doesn't show so listed all Sutherlands for Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Hope this is some help in finding your lost family. Bob Cdn. ========================================================= Dwelling: 3 Canongate Census Place: Edinburgh Canongate, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224002 GRO Ref Volume 685-3 EnumDist 86 Page 2 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Alexander SUTHERLAND M 50 M Dingwall, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Coachman (Unemployed) Betsy SUTHERLAND M 48 F Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Wife Cicilia SUTHERLAND U 17 F Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Handicap: Imbecile Donald SUTHERLAND 14 M Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Brass Finisher William SUTHERLAND 12 M Edinburgh, Scotland =========================================== SUTHERLAND, Angus Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 10 Mar 1832 Christening Date: 22 Aug 1832 Recorded in: Tarbat, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Father: James SUTHERLAND Mother: Isabella BAILLIE Source: FHL Film 304666 Dates: 1824 - 1843 SUTHERLAND, Catharine Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 24 Nov 1832 Christening Date: 18 Aug 1833 Recorded in: Tarbat, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Father: Alexander SUTHERLAND Mother: Christian BAILLIE Source: FHL Film 304666 Dates: 1824 - 1843 SUTHERLAND, Catherine Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 22 Aug 1832 Recorded in: Tarbat, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Father: John SUTHERLAND Mother: Christy FERGUSON Source: FHL Film 304666 Dates: 1824 - 1843 SUTHERLAND, Hugh Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 27 Sep 1832 Christening Date: 18 Aug 1833 Recorded in: Tarbat, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Father: Donald SUTHERLAND Mother: Elizabeth FERGUSON Source: FHL Film 304666 Dates: 1824 - 1843 SUTHERLAND, William Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 22 Aug 1832 Recorded in: Tarbat, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Father: William SUTHERLAND Mother: Mary SUTHERLAND Source: FHL Film 304666 Dates: 1824 - 1843 SUTHERLAND, Donald Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 29 May 1833 Christening Date: 26 Sep 1833 Recorded in: Tarbat, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Father: Alexander SUTHERLAND Mother: Elspet BAILLIE Source: FHL Film 304666 Dates: 1824 - 1843 SUTHERLAND, Donald Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 15 Jun 1833 Christening Date: 26 Sep 1833 Recorded in: Tarbat, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Father: Robert SUTHERLAND Mother: Elspet MACKAY Source: FHL Film 304666 Dates: 1824 - 1843 SUTHERLAND, Donald Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 11 Mar 1833 Christening Date: 26 Sep 1833 Recorded in: Tarbat, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Father: Nicholas_ SUTHERLAND Mother: Christian MCKAY Source: FHL Film 304666 Dates: 1824 - 1843 SUTHERLAND, George Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 21 Aug 1833 Christening Date: 26 Sep 1833 Recorded in: Tarbat, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Father: John SUTHERLAND Mother: Christian FERGUSON Source: FHL Film 304666 Dates: 1824 - 1843 SUTHERLAND, John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 23 Aug 1833 Christening Date: 26 Sep 1833 Recorded in: Tarbat, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Father: William SUTHERLAND Mother: Marion MCLEOD Source: FHL Film 304666 Dates: 1824 - 1843 SUTHERLAND, Janet Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 8 Apr 1836 Christening Date: 18 Sep 1836 Recorded in: Tarbat, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Father: James SUTHERLAND Mother: Christian SUTHERLAND Source: FHL Film 304666 Dates: 1824 - 1843 SUTHERLAND, John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 8 Apr 1840 Birthplace: , Tarbat By Fearn, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Recorded in: Tarbat, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Father: James SUTHERLAND Mother: Christian SUTHERLAND Source: FHL Film 304666 Dates: 1824 - 1843 SUTHERLAND, William Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 13 Dec 1853 Christening Date: 19 Feb 1854 Recorded in: Rosemarkie, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland Collection: Fortrose and Rosemarkie; Free Church Father: Murdoch SUTHERLAND Mother: Ann SUTHERLAND Source: FHL Film 1068236 Dates: 1843 - 1855 =================================================== -----Original Message----- <SNIP> From: Catherine Fitchett [

Dear Marion, At this point, a connection between my Nicols and yours doesn't look like it exists, but who knows? I can't believe you don't have a David Nicol -- it seems to me from my research that every family has several of them -- just none of them are mine. The only name I see that is common to our Nicols is Margaret. So for whatever it's worth, I'll keep your information in the file. You never know what might become your most important piece of paper. Thanks and have a Happy New Year. Penny Penny Nicol James Katy, Texas

Looking for the correspondent who had John Wilson and Helen Denholm from Linlithgow in her line. Lost your address , please contact, Margaret

Thank you for answering. I think my Nicol are a generation earlier than yours. May Married William Young I would think around 1794. Their daughter Elizabeth married William Fraser and they emigrated to Canada and settled in Quebec. I haven't any real information about May except I think I have found their marriage record getting them married in 1817 in Stirling. Although the name is spelt Nichol. If none of this is of interest just disregard it. Sometimes just the small bit of information is useful but without any concrete information it means nothing. Thanks again Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Fyfe" <Marioncfyfe@btopenworld.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:28 AM Subject: [MLN] Nicol > Hi Elaine, > > Wasn't sure if this was to me or Penny. Sorry for taking time to reply but > I've had visitors over the holidays. > > I don't have too much info on my Nicols - what I've said to Penny is - > > >>> my gr gr gr grandmother Margaret Nicol > was born in Abercorn in 1816, this is according to the 1881 census as I > can't find a birth/christening record for her. From her death certificate I > found that her parents were James Nicol and Janet Louden and I've found > christenings for a brother Alexander (1804) and a sister Marion (1817) in > Ecclesmachen which is just beside Abercorn. > > Margaret Nicol married Robert Orr in 1836 at Crammond or Ratho and they > lived at Corstorphine.<<< > > I haven't found a May Nicol yet. > > Marion > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elaine McNulty" <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: [MLN] Roll Call > > > > Just read your e-mail and thought I would just say I have a May NICOL who > > married William YOUNG. She was born in 1796, I think married 1817, died > > 1866. Any connection? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Pennynicol@aol.com> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [MLN] Roll Call > > > > > > > Dear Marion, > > > > > > I saw your recent listing of names you are researching on the Midlothian > > > rootsweb list and I would like to ask about the Nicol family you are > > searching > > > for. I too am looking for Nicols and I guess the easiest thing to ask > is > > do > > > you have a David Nicol that married Lillias Smeaton (we think from > > Tranent) > > > about 1835 and did any of your Nicols immigrate to Canada (Ontario, > > > specifically) around 1850? > > > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > > > Penny > > > > > > Penny Nicol James > > > Katy, Texas > > > > > > > > >

Espc is a brilliant site for anyone wanting to see what houses look like. Don't worry, Marchmont Cresc. is unsullied! Best wishes, Sheena -----Original Message----- From: Forrest Anderson [mailto:listmail@military-researcher.com] Sent: 03 January 2005 00:55 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh address On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:17:08 +1100, you wrote: >I have a letter written from a cousin? to my uncle who was sent over seas during the WW1 and was wondering if the house at the address is still in existence. >Address is: >58 Marchmont Cres >Edinburgh Although I haven't checked it personally, I'd have thought that there's a good chance that it should still be standing. If so, No 58 would refer to the entrance to a set of flats in a tenement property. See www.espc.co.uk and do an address search for Marchmont Crescent. There are two flats for sale at No 43, and one at No 70. That will give you an idea of the type of property that No 58 used to be, although it's always possible that the block containing No 58 had now been redeveloped and replaced my modern flats. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson - British Military Genealogical Researcher. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com ______________________________

I think we all at some time find we have valuable info either under our noses or at our finger-tips! Hope it is fruitful. Best wishes, Sheena -----Original Message----- From: Margaret [mailto:margaret@scottishwool.com] Sent: 03 January 2005 08:54 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] Re: MIDLOTHIAN-D Digest V04 #531 On 3/1/05 12:13 am, "Alan Ireland" <ireland@pavilion.co.uk> wrote: > I noticed you are interested in the surname BORTHWICK & wondered if you are > aware there is a lady doing a one-name study of BORTHWICKs? > > borthwick@one-name.org is her contact address. Hello Sheena Thanks for the info ..now I feel foolish ..I am a member of the GOONS for my GALTRESS one name study .... Shows we should remember to do the simple things ... Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland ______________________________

Hi Elaine, Wasn't sure if this was to me or Penny. Sorry for taking time to reply but I've had visitors over the holidays. I don't have too much info on my Nicols - what I've said to Penny is - >>> my gr gr gr grandmother Margaret Nicol was born in Abercorn in 1816, this is according to the 1881 census as I can't find a birth/christening record for her. From her death certificate I found that her parents were James Nicol and Janet Louden and I've found christenings for a brother Alexander (1804) and a sister Marion (1817) in Ecclesmachen which is just beside Abercorn. Margaret Nicol married Robert Orr in 1836 at Crammond or Ratho and they lived at Corstorphine.<<< I haven't found a May Nicol yet. Marion ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine McNulty" <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] Roll Call > Just read your e-mail and thought I would just say I have a May NICOL who > married William YOUNG. She was born in 1796, I think married 1817, died > 1866. Any connection? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Pennynicol@aol.com> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:38 AM > Subject: Re: [MLN] Roll Call > > > > Dear Marion, > > > > I saw your recent listing of names you are researching on the Midlothian > > rootsweb list and I would like to ask about the Nicol family you are > searching > > for. I too am looking for Nicols and I guess the easiest thing to ask is > do > > you have a David Nicol that married Lillias Smeaton (we think from > Tranent) > > about 1835 and did any of your Nicols immigrate to Canada (Ontario, > > specifically) around 1850? > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Penny > > > > Penny Nicol James > > Katy, Texas > > > >

Hi Penny, I've had my sister and her family visiting from England over the holidays so have neglected my inbox. I haven't got a David Nicol - yet - my gr gr gr grandmother Margaret Nicol was born in Abercorn in 1816, this is according to the 1881 census as I can't find a birth/christening record for her. From her death certificate I found that her parents were James Nicol and Janet Louden and I've found christenings for a brother Alexander (1804) and a sister Marion (1817) in Ecclesmachen which is just beside Abercorn. Margaret Nicol married Robert Orr in 1836 at Crammond or Ratho and they lived at Corstorphine. I don't know of any Nicols that went to Ontario, there are a few Nicols buried at the churchyard at Abercorn but I haven't connected any of them up so far to mine. Marion ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pennynicol@aol.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] Roll Call > Dear Marion, > > I saw your recent listing of names you are researching on the Midlothian > rootsweb list and I would like to ask about the Nicol family you are searching > for. I too am looking for Nicols and I guess the easiest thing to ask is do > you have a David Nicol that married Lillias Smeaton (we think from Tranent) > about 1835 and did any of your Nicols immigrate to Canada (Ontario, > specifically) around 1850? > > Thank you very much. > > Penny > > Penny Nicol James > Katy, Texas > >

Hi Gillian Your website is great and encourages me to get on with my own - have only the title page so far! You mention Carriden which is where my husband's family are from. I wonder if you would be kind enough to help me with my "brick wall"? My husband's great grandfather ALEXANDER CANT BLACK was born in in CARRIDEN in 1837, his mother was MARY CANT and his father is named as WILLIAM BLACK, carter on his birth certificate although his parents never married. I have the 1851 index for Carriden and Alexander is living with his mother and another female relative. There is a William Black but he is married to someone else. I wonder if you have fuller details on your Carriden Census and also details of these people on the 1861 Census which I do not have. I have MARY CANT'S death certificate; she died in 1876 at Cowdon Hill Carriden. I wonder if you would also be kind enough to look at the death records for WILLIAM BLACK who was 39 in 1851. If the death was notified by ALEXANDER it would confirm that this W B was his father. With many thanks for any light you can shed on the family. Barbara Black > >

Jenny, I have a relly who was called a Station Master on his son's marriage cert., but on his death cert., and on the census return and on his grave stone, he is called a Station Agent.He certainly lived on the job, so to speak. Good Luck, Archie Gilbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Robertson" <jenn@e3.net.nz> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: [MLN] Caledonian Railway > My great great grandfather worked for the Caledonian Railway in Edinburgh. > Can anyone one help with terminology? A family document has him listed as a Station Master but a reference written from the Caledonian Railways as he left to come to NZ has him listed as a Station Agent in charge of a level crossing (of the most dangerous kind). > Can someone enlighten me on the job description ? Would a Station Agent actually be Station Master? Would he have lived on site as I have not yet found the family on the 1841 census ? > Would appreciate any clues please as this family are my "brick wall" in Scotland. > > Many thanks > > Jenny > > >

Hello! I'm new to the site, and beginning to research the Broun family history (my maiden name). I'm also new to the whole genealogical search thing. Others have done a great job of tracing our family in the US back to George Broun (father, Archibald Broun) and Margaret Broun, who came to North America (Virginia) from Scotland with their young son, William, in about 1740. I have found some information on George's lineage, but little thus far on Margaret's (she was born a Broun around 1693 and married a Broun). I have researched the OPR on scotlandspeople.gov.uk and found no records of the marriage or of William's birth. All I found is one reference on the World Family Tree to her being the daughter of George Broun and Elizabeth MacKenzie, but I have not been able to confirm this link. Form Burke's Peerage, I know that George and Elizabeth had issue, but no names were provided. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance, Pat Jacobs Pittsburgh, PA

The mention of Uphall has made me post my interests. My mother Mary Veronica O'RORKE was born on the 28th November 1914 at 5 Houston Place Uphall Station. Her parents were James O'RORKE shaleminer and Sarah Jane MOLLOY school teacher who were married at Kirknewton on November 25 1909. Sarah Jane was living at 96 Pumpherston Mid Calder and James was living at East Calder Kirknewton on their marriage certificate. Sarah Jane's parents were Sarah THOMAS and Robert MOLLOY and they were married in 1877 in Magherlain Ireland James's parents were James O'RORKE born Ireland and Mary EARLY/AIRLIE born Ireland. They were married in Edinburgh on the 11th May 1865 James O'RORKE was living at 122 Kingscause Rows Linlithgow at the 1891 census. He died 9th December 1891 aged 41 as a result of an accident at Linlithgow Pits works. Where and when died is Champfleurie Linlithogw.. 1901 Census Mary EARLY/ORORKE was living at 80 Main Street East Calder with her son James O'RORKE Mary EARLY died 2nd December 1912 aged 59 from a stroke at East Calder Kirknewton On the 1901 census Robert MOLLOY and Sarah THOMAS were living at 96 Pumpherston Mid Calder Robert MOLLOY died 1917 and Sarah THOMAS died 1914 and both died at 96 Pumpherston. I was born in Edinburgh and my other side of the family is O'DONNELL/NAUGHTON O'DONNElLL/ GARRITY/GALLACHER Take Care Rhona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison Vidal" <allswell58@hotmail.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 4:51 Subject: [MLN] Re: Ross Family > Hello Hugh, > Yes, you've got my family in mind! In fact, when I travel to Uphall this > coming February, we will be staying with Ainslie! You are correct, her > brother James and your first friend, died very young (he was the Abbot of > Paisley). His son Gordon Ross will be meeting us in Uphall with his family > for a small reunion. James' other son, Alan, married and has a language > school in Germany. Joyce Pinkerton Ross Hall now lives in the south. > > I will contact you off-list, I am delighted that you know of my family. > > Allison > >

On 3/1/05 12:43 am, "Val Hume" <VHume@Shaw.Ca> wrote: > Alexander Hume > born August 25, 1846 > Old Dalkeith Rd > Parish of St. Cuthbert > Edinburgh Did he stay in Scotland ? If so trace him in the site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Look for his death .. Scots registrations give good information including both parents and may be the informant was a relation too. Someone has already got him in 1881 look for him later in 1891say. Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

On 3/1/05 12:13 am, "Alan Ireland" <ireland@pavilion.co.uk> wrote: > I noticed you are interested in the surname BORTHWICK & wondered if you are > aware there is a lady doing a one-name study of BORTHWICKs? > > borthwick@one-name.org is her contact address. Hello Sheena Thanks for the info ..now I feel foolish ..I am a member of the GOONS for my GALTRESS one name study .... Shows we should remember to do the simple things ... Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

I have a letter written from a cousin? to my uncle who was sent over seas during the WW1 and was wondering if the house at the address is still in existence. Address is: 58 Marchmont Cres Edinburgh She signs herself your loving cousin Mary. Her surname is McNab and I wasn't aware that I had any members of the family with this surname. Amazing what is hidden out there. Regards Elaine