Kathy, I don't know if any of them came to the U.S., but wouldn't be surprised. James Pocock Sr. who was born in England m Ann Lowden at Cupar. Hugh Eskew Stephenson was also born in England. Their children James Pocock and Isabella Stephenson married at Edinburgh in 1839, and this couple's daughter Isabella Pocock went to London and married William Jordan Fuller - my GG's. There are several variant spellings of Lowden in the Pittenweem and Cupar OPR's, all records of the same family. (I'm the first known US generation, married an American in 1955.) All the best, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Gregory [mailto:gregory@giantcomm.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:07 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MLN] Scotland's People Census update?? Lowden/Taylor, Pittenweem - Cupar Sonia, did your LOUDON keep the same spelling when they came to the USA? Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Gil & Sonia Murray [mailto:happyman70@bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:57 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MLN] Scotland's People Census update?? Lowden/Taylor, Pittenweem - Cupar Does this mean the 1851 Edinburgh will be released in full? I'm hoping to find my Stephenson family in or near Fleshmarket Close, where they were in 1841. When I can get out of the house again - had surgery so it will be a while - I'm going to order the film at the LDS. We're still hoping to go to Pittenweem this year. JAMES LOUDON - JANNET TAYLOR were probably married in the vicinity as they had children baptised there from 1768 to 1776. Can't find them in OPR's 1777 - 1782. James Lowden became jailer at Cupar by 1783, when he is so described in Cupar OPR's - he and Jannet had children baptised at Cupar from 1783 to 1789, including Ann, my line, bapt. 1785. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Will be glad to share what I have on the family. Happy hunting, Sonia (warm and sunny Biloxi, MS USA) -----Original Message----- From: Margaret [mailto:margaret@scottishwool.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:50 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] Scotland's People Census update?? They have updated the information on the website .. What's in the data base link... Looks like plan is 1871 Census in Spring 2005 and the others later in 2005. Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

Sonia, did your LOUDON keep the same spelling when they came to the USA? Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Gil & Sonia Murray [mailto:happyman70@bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:57 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MLN] Scotland's People Census update?? Lowden/Taylor, Pittenweem - Cupar Does this mean the 1851 Edinburgh will be released in full? I'm hoping to find my Stephenson family in or near Fleshmarket Close, where they were in 1841. When I can get out of the house again - had surgery so it will be a while - I'm going to order the film at the LDS. We're still hoping to go to Pittenweem this year. JAMES LOUDON - JANNET TAYLOR were probably married in the vicinity as they had children baptised there from 1768 to 1776. Can't find them in OPR's 1777 - 1782. James Lowden became jailer at Cupar by 1783, when he is so described in Cupar OPR's - he and Jannet had children baptised at Cupar from 1783 to 1789, including Ann, my line, bapt. 1785. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Will be glad to share what I have on the family. Happy hunting, Sonia (warm and sunny Biloxi, MS USA) -----Original Message----- From: Margaret [mailto:margaret@scottishwool.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:50 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] Scotland's People Census update?? They have updated the information on the website .. What's in the data base link... Looks like plan is 1871 Census in Spring 2005 and the others later in 2005. Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

The news is just in that Lord Alderdice is coming to North Carolina in late January to dance with the Cherokee Indians, whats next?? Gordon

Does this mean the 1851 Edinburgh will be released in full? I'm hoping to find my Stephenson family in or near Fleshmarket Close, where they were in 1841. When I can get out of the house again - had surgery so it will be a while - I'm going to order the film at the LDS. We're still hoping to go to Pittenweem this year. JAMES LOUDON - JANNET TAYLOR were probably married in the vicinity as they had children baptised there from 1768 to 1776. Can't find them in OPR's 1777 - 1782. James Lowden became jailer at Cupar by 1783, when he is so described in Cupar OPR's - he and Jannet had children baptised at Cupar from 1783 to 1789, including Ann, my line, bapt. 1785. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Will be glad to share what I have on the family. Happy hunting, Sonia (warm and sunny Biloxi, MS USA) -----Original Message----- From: Margaret [mailto:margaret@scottishwool.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:50 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] Scotland's People Census update?? They have updated the information on the website .. What's in the data base link... Looks like plan is 1871 Census in Spring 2005 and the others later in 2005. Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

>I have his marrige certificate, listing their parents as above, but can't >find parents or him in the1881 census, BVR or Scotlandspeople.gov. The >only marriage, listing names the same as his parents, is in 1887, 6 years >after his birth so thought it highly unlikely that they were the right >ones. Actually it is highly likely they are the right ones. When I do parent searches on the IGI, I find it is quite uncommon to have two different couples with the same names, unless they are common names eg John Brown married to Mary Smith. Robert Bryden Ballantyne is hardly a common name, Annie Maxwell probably more common but the combination is not likely to be duplicated. This could be why you can't find him in the 1881 census. I'd be looking for a Robert Maxwell with an umarried mother Annie. Then when she later married, he would have taken her husband's name who could well be the father Of course I could be wrong but it is well worth pursuing Catherine

Doug It is your Agnes LUMSDEN because the address for both her and Hugh is North Berwick. Her mother's maiden name is hard to read and I thought it looked like Corstorphine. I was born in Balgreen Edinburgh which is not far from Corstophine. Thanks Rhona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Leitch" <dougleitch@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 9 January 2005 1:31 Subject: Re: [MLN] Extra certificates Reid/Lumsden > Hi Marion & Rhona, > > Re Marriage cert . 1894 Marriage district St Giles > > Hugh REID s/o John REID and Helen JAMIESON and > Agnes LUMSDEN d/o John LUMSDEN and Agnes CORSTORPHINE > > > > Interesting! > > Agnes LUMSDEN(b. 1867 North Berwick ELN) is my Great Aunt! Her parents are > actually John Lawrie LUMSDEN(b.1833 Dunbar ELN) and Jane Peddie > CORSTORPHINE(b. 1837 Ratho MLN) Agnes CORSTORPHINE must be wrong. > Everything else fits including date and place of marr. > > If this is your Agnes LUMSDEN I have plenty of info for you. > > > > > > Best wishes, > Doug it Leitch > Solihull UK > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/05 >

Good Evening All, please some help I am trying to find information about a silver medal , Front side states Cadell Cup 1918 Back Duddingston Countess Medal anybody any ideas? Sheena nee Grahame

Hi List, Looking for a Robert Bryden Ballantyne. born 1881 in Bo'ness, son of Robert Bryden Ballantyne and Annie Maxwell. He married Lilias Adams Dec 13, 1904 in Carriden.b, 1881 in Bridgeness, Carriden, daughter of John Adams and Mary ?, died in Old Cumnock Oct 4, 1944. I have his marrige certificate, listing their parents as above, but can't find parents or him in the1881 census, BVR or Scotlandspeople.gov. The only marriage, listing names the same as his parents, is in 1887, 6 years after his birth so thought it highly unlikely that they were the right ones. He died in Old Cumnock March 1, 1937. Would like to find date of birth for Robert Jr. and the whereabouts of his parents around 1881. I believe the parents immigrated later to Canada but wouldn't think that would happen to approx. 1900. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Glen Homer, NY, USA

If SKS has access to the 1891 census could they please see if Ann Dunbar (maiden name Skinner) was living at 44 Glover St Leith. I have Arthur Dunbar, his wife Ann and a daughter Janet Thallon Dunbar living there in the 1881 Census. I next have Arthur living at 1 Ladywell Park Terrace, Lewisham (London) in the 1901 census. Arthur is now listed as a widower. I also have Arthur's death certificate (29 Nov 1901) however cannot find any information on Ann. Many thanks, Ian Dunbar

>I am searching the SUTHERLAND name also; >Do you have the children of this Alexander? > >Thanks, >Ken My Sutherland information is as follows: David Sutherland and Isabella Campbell had the following children born Dingwall, Rossshire: David c 19 Dec 1823 John c 9 Feb 1827 George c 17 Oct 1829 Alexander c 7 Sep 1832 Anne c 5 Mar 1836 my greatgreatgrandmother Elizabeth c 14 Aug 1839 David died sometime between 1841 and 1851. In 1841 the family was still in Dingwall but in 1851 Isabella, her sons David, John and George and daughter Elizabeth were in Edinburgh where Isabella died 16 Feb 1862. I don't know where Ann was in 1851 but in 1861 she and her new husband, a British militia soldier by the name of Amos Goring (actually Amos Garard which is a story in itself) were living with her mother Isabella , brother George and sister Elizabeth at 7 Physic Gardens, Edinburgh. David and John (who were shoemakers) had disappeared. Alexander married Betsy Moffat in Auchterarder, Perthshire in 1846. They had large number of children. 1861 census at 3 or 5 Lochend Close, Canongate there were Janet 12, Isabella 10, Alexander 8, Johanna 6, Elizabeth 4, Margaret 2. The eldest four were born Perth, Johanna in Dundee and the last two in Edinburgh. More children on the IGI: Elizabeth 20 Sep 1855, James 30 May 1857, Margaret 6 Aug 1859, John 9 May 1861, Ann 3 May 1863, Cicilia 3 May 1863, Donald 10 Oct 1865, William 7 Apr 1868 I'd be a bit dubious about this being the Alexander I want eg no child named for his father, but there weren't many Sutherlands in Dingwall in 1841 and he was the only Alexander of anything like the right age. Of course he may have left before 1841. If anyone connects to any of these Sutherlands I would be interested to hear from them Catherine

Catherine Fitchett wrote: mainly for Ken > .................................Anne c 5 Mar 1836 my greatgreatgrandmother > I don't know where Ann was in 1851............... ================== I do not know either! but I have looked at several Ann Sutherland entries in the Index to Black Isle 1851 Census and she was not listed there. Nearest were aged 27, and 9. I am not related. Cheers, ALISTAIR

I have the following extra certificates if they are of interest to anyone 1887 Birth District Canongate Catherine McKenzie BROWN parents James Bank BROWN and Christina MCKENZIE 1894 Marriage district St Giles John McDOWELL s/o Robert McDOWELL and Mary Jane COLLINS and Mary O'DONNELL d/o Hugh O'DONNELL and Grace SWEENEY Hugh REID s/o John REID and Helen JAMIESON and Agnes LUMSDEN d/o John LUMSDEN and Agnes CORSTORHINE? 1899 marriage district Canongate John KERR s/o John KERR and Margaret LAWSON and Mary O'DONNELL d/o Michael O'DONNELL and Margaret JUDGE James Robert HUGHES s/o James HUGHES and Annie SMITH and Christina Jane BERRY d/o James BERRY and Janet LAWSON 1908 marriage District St Giles George LYALLs/o James LYALL and Florence ROSS and Mary O'DONNELL d/o Bernard O'DONNELL and Magaret REILLY Patrick STAPLETON s/o Patrick STAPLETON and Catherine WILSON and Elizabeth DOLAN d/o Michael DOLAN and Bridget DEAGAN 1912 Deaths district Canongate James HOPE married to Helen GILBERT s/o James HOPE and Helen DUKE Jane Gray DIGNALL married to Robert DIGNALL d/o Robert GRIEVE and Jane GRAY 1923 Deaths district George Square John O'DONNELL married to Agnes McCANN s/o Terrence O'DONNELL and Mary Jane McGUIRE Jessie MarieTHORNTON d/o Alexander THORNTON and Agnes WILKIE Take Care Rhona

Hi Listers, I really enjoy reading all the messages and keep hoping that someone will be looking for the same family that I am. I have a problem that has run me into a dead end and wonder if anyone would have any suggestions that I might follow. I have my grandfather's birth certificate which shows his birth date as 1 oct, 1883, Berries Court, Dalkeith. His parents are listed as George Baptie and Isabella Cowan, married August 31st, 1883 in Dalkeith. At this point I have no further information going back. I have checked Ancestry.com at our library, have looked at all the info on the LDS site, gone to our local Family History Center, and checked every site on line that I know including Genuki and all those that come up when you put "Scotland Genealogy"in the search line. Ancestry.com has nothing on either one of them. The LDS on line has several people of those names, but none that I can connect for sure. The FHS in Midland got me the 1891 census for Dalkeith and the 1883 Scotland Church records. Neither one listed anything that would help me. For some reason the FHS has not copied the BMD list for the year 1883, but can't tell me why.. I have to assume that the family moved sometime between 1883 and 1891 from Dalkeith to ????? I have no idea, but do know that they stayed in Scotland. At this time I am not willing to put my credit card on line for Scotland's people as I recently had my computer hacked into and really messed up and had to have it rebuilt. Am not ready to trust that all is well with it yet. A helpful lister sent me the LDS list for the Baptie's some months ago, but without knowing the parents of George and Isabella, I am at a standstill. Any ideas would be appreciated. (I too, am from the US and too far away to personally search in Scotland.) Thanks, gretchen Michigan, USA

Gretchen, Always find these type of questions interesting and deserve a quick look. I did not repeat any of your previous lookup but did do a check of the Scotlands people FREE SEARCH (I have no credits remaining in my account) and entered Baptie 1883---1883 and it came up with: OPR Birth & Christenings (1883 - 1854) 0 SRI Births (1883 - 1883) 9 OPR Marriages (1883 - 1854) 0 SRI Marriages (1883 - 1883) 4 SRI Deaths (1883 - 1883) 3 Since your people would have to be registered with the GRO one of the above must be yours and the six pounds would be well spent. Did a cross check for your Baptie/Cowan names in the BIVRI2 and no luck but you know this from your checks. The Baptie here are all widows and no George in Dalkeith area . The census did not give up a George in the Dalkeith area but did have an Isabella Cowan 18 years old in 1881, could be a very likely candidate. Best I could do without looking at the 1883 index films for a reference number. Best of luck Bob Cdn. ========================================== Dwelling: Lothian Rd Berries Court Census Place: Dalkeith, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0223987 GRO Ref Volume 683 EnumDist 2 Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas COWAN M 41 M Dalkeith, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Van Driver Catherine COWAN M 41 F Newbattle, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Wife George COWAN U 16 M Dalkeith, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Blacksmith Isabella COWAN U 18 F Dalkeith, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Mary COWAN 10 F Dalkeith, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Jane COWAN 9 F Dalkeith, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John MC RASTIE U 18 M Leadburn, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Cabinet Maker Richard DICKSON U 30 M Dalkeith, Edinburgh, Scotland =========================================================== -----Original Message----- <SNIP> Subject: [MLN] Baptie/Cowan Hi Listers,

Hi Doug, No, this is not her. I need one 1820ish Thanks in the meantime though. I also thought that Corstorphine was the place not the name!. Best Wishes Marion >-- Original Message -- >From: "Doug Leitch" <dougleitch@blueyonder.co.uk> >Subject: Re: [MLN] Extra certificates Reid/Lumsden >Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:31:11 -0000 >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hi Marion & Rhona, > >Re Marriage cert . 1894 Marriage district St Giles > >Hugh REID s/o John REID and Helen JAMIESON and >Agnes LUMSDEN d/o John LUMSDEN and Agnes CORSTORPHINE > > > >Interesting! > >Agnes LUMSDEN(b. 1867 North Berwick ELN) is my Great Aunt! Her parents are >actually John Lawrie LUMSDEN(b.1833 Dunbar ELN) and Jane Peddie >CORSTORPHINE(b. 1837 Ratho MLN) Agnes CORSTORPHINE must be wrong. >Everything else fits including date and place of marr. > >If this is your Agnes LUMSDEN I have plenty of info for you. > > > > > >Best wishes, >Doug it Leitch >Solihull UK > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/05 > ___________________________________________________________ FREE weekend phone calls! NO monthly fee, NO contract! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services/smarttalk/?StartupCode=OL063&srccode=COD_563

HI and Thanks for the information. I cannot link my Isabella Sutherland b. 1835 North Leith to this line.... She married Robert Brown Her father was James and mother was Elizabeth McKay. Ken

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:39:11 -0000, "Leslie Hastings" <leslie@kodiak-web-design.com> wrote: >Corstorphine is a place name in Edinburgh. Does this help explain the >word in that document? And like many place names, it is also found as a surname. The BT Directory Enquiries on-line database has 9 people with the surname Corstorphine in the EH postcode area. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Corstorphine, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Army, Navy and Air Force Genealogical Researcher

Hello, I have an 1894 death certificate for Alexander Sutherland a widower aged 64 years who died in the Royal Infirmary, Edinburgh. Unfortunately there is no information as to his wife's name or parents. His usual residence is given as 129 St Leonard St. Is there anyone who has access to 1891 census films who can look at 129 St Leonard St and see who was there in 1891? I want to be sure this is the Alexander Sutherland that I am interested in (birthplace Dingwall, Rossshire) Thanks for any assistance Catherine

Corstorphine is a place name in Edinburgh. Does this help explain the word in that document? Leslie On 08/01/2005 14:31:11, midlothian-l@rootsweb.com wrote: > Hi Marion & Rhona, >Re Marriage cert . 1894 Marriage district St Giles >Hugh REID s/o John REID and Helen JAMIESON and > Agnes LUMSDEN d/o John LUMSDEN and Agnes CORSTORPHINE >Interesting! >Agnes LUMSDEN(b. 1867 North Berwick ELN) is my Great Aunt! Her parents > are > actually John Lawrie LUMSDEN(b.1833 Dunbar ELN) and Jane Peddie > CORSTORPHINE(b. 1837 Ratho MLN) Agnes CORSTORPHINE must be wrong. > Everything else fits including date and place of marr. >If this is your Agnes LUMSDEN I have plenty of info for you. >Best wishes, > Doug it Leitch > Solihull UK >-- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/05 -- Kodiak Web Design http://www.kodiak-web-design.com

Hi Marion & Rhona, Re Marriage cert . 1894 Marriage district St Giles Hugh REID s/o John REID and Helen JAMIESON and Agnes LUMSDEN d/o John LUMSDEN and Agnes CORSTORPHINE Interesting! Agnes LUMSDEN(b. 1867 North Berwick ELN) is my Great Aunt! Her parents are actually John Lawrie LUMSDEN(b.1833 Dunbar ELN) and Jane Peddie CORSTORPHINE(b. 1837 Ratho MLN) Agnes CORSTORPHINE must be wrong. Everything else fits including date and place of marr. If this is your Agnes LUMSDEN I have plenty of info for you. Best wishes, Doug it Leitch Solihull UK -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/05