Thank you Jim for that information. I wonder if our grandfathers knew each other?? Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "jmercer" <jmercer@mountaincable.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [MLN] Publishing Co > Hi Elaine, > I can tell you a little bit about R & R Clark as I worked there for a couple > of years after I left school. That was in 1952. Also my mother and > grandfather and one of my aunts also worked there way back. It was a > printers mainly and was quite a large operation. They were located on > Brandon St. in Edinburgh. The building was still there a couple of years > ago when I was last in Edinburgh. The company no longer exists however. > They did quality work, especially medical books for the university. I > recall that they also printed "Who's Who" and a variety of novels, etc. > Hope this is of interest. > Cheers, > Jim Mercer in Hamilton, Canada. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elaine McNulty" <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:22 PM > Subject: [MLN] Publishing Co > > > > My grandfather apparently worked for a publishing company in the early > 1900's called Rand R Clark. Does anyone know about this company? > > > > Also I have a medal awarded to him in 1888. On one side it says awarded > to Sarg. Chas Craik. On the other is written 4th V.B.R.S. > > > > Does anyone know how I can find out about this medal? If it was awarded > to him he would have only been 19. His father was James so not likely his. > > > > Regards > > Elaine > > > >

There's a Blinkbonny at Currie which is now part of Edinburgh.... =============== moira in sunny Florida

Marylee, Here are the records from the FHC/BIVRI2 data, not the census you wanted but may connect to others in the area Bob Cdn. ========================================= DOWIE, David Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 24 Oct 1815 Christening Date: 4 Nov 1815 Recorded in: Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland Father: David DOWIE Mother: Elisabeth CHAMERS Source: FHL Film 1066636 Dates: 1692 - 1820 DOWIE, Agnes Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 2 Jul 1818 Christening Date: 19 Jul 1818 Recorded in: Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland Father: David DOWIE Mother: Elisabeth CHALMERS Source: FHL Film 1066636 Dates: 1818 - 1818 DOWIE, Helen Naipor Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 6 Jul 1820 Christening Date: 23 Jul 1820 Recorded in: Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland Father: David DOWIE Mother: Elisabeth CHALMERS Source: FHL Film 1066637 Dates: 1820 - 1855 DOWIE, Janet Baird Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 16 May 1822 Christening Date: 2 Jun 1822 Recorded in: Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland Father: David DOWIE Mother: Elisabeth CHALMERS Source: FHL Film 1066637 Dates: 1820 - 1855 DOWIE, Ann Macgregor Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 16 Nov 1824 Christening Date: 12 Dec 1824 Recorded in: Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland Father: David DOWIE Mother: Elisabeth CHALMERS Source: FHL Film 1066637 Dates: 1820 - 1855 DOWIE, David Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 1 Oct 1837 Christening Date: 19 Nov 1837 Recorded in: Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland Father: John DOWIE Mother: Janet SMITH Source: FHL Film 1066637 Dates: 1820 - 1855 <SNIP> Mac wrote: ... researching the DOWIE family of Bathgate,Livingston, & West Calder. around 1836 - 1880 > >

Hi Jean, The Scottish Documents website http://www.scottishdocuments.com/content/default.asp has a number of helpful features in its Research Tools. It cites the occupation of Writer as being a Lawyer or Notary. Best wishes, Sheena Ireland -----Original Message----- From: Jean Campbell [mailto:jeancampbell@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 22 January 2005 03:41 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: WRITER Occupation When my ggg grandfather was baptised in 1819 in Edinburgh, his father John HAY was shown with the occupation of Writer. Though I have looked at many Old Occupations sites, pertaining to Scotland, I can't find a definition of the occupation. He supported his family with this occupation and am asking if anyone has come across it before and ... what did he do? Thanks for any advice. Jean ______________________________

Most likely. My grandad was William Rowan and he was a letterpress machineman. What was you grandfathers name? Jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine McNulty" <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] Publishing Co > Thank you Jim for that information. I wonder if our grandfathers knew each > other?? > Elaine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jmercer" <jmercer@mountaincable.net> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:12 AM > Subject: Re: [MLN] Publishing Co > > > > Hi Elaine, > > I can tell you a little bit about R & R Clark as I worked there for a > couple > > of years after I left school. That was in 1952. Also my mother and > > grandfather and one of my aunts also worked there way back. It was a > > printers mainly and was quite a large operation. They were located on > > Brandon St. in Edinburgh. The building was still there a couple of years > > ago when I was last in Edinburgh. The company no longer exists however. > > They did quality work, especially medical books for the university. I > > recall that they also printed "Who's Who" and a variety of novels, etc. > > Hope this is of interest. > > Cheers, > > Jim Mercer in Hamilton, Canada. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Elaine McNulty" <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:22 PM > > Subject: [MLN] Publishing Co > > > > > > > My grandfather apparently worked for a publishing company in the early > > 1900's called Rand R Clark. Does anyone know about this company? > > > > > > Also I have a medal awarded to him in 1888. On one side it says awarded > > to Sarg. Chas Craik. On the other is written 4th V.B.R.S. > > > > > > Does anyone know how I can find out about this medal? If it was awarded > > to him he would have only been 19. His father was James so not likely > his. > > > > > > Regards > > > Elaine > > > > > > > >

Hello, I am new to this list and I am researching the DOWIE family of Bathgate,Livingston, & West Calder. around 1836 - 1880 I would be interested to hear from anyone else researching DOWIE or who has access to 1841 Census for Livingston &/or West Calder.& /or 1851 Census for West Calder Kind regards Merrylee

Hello Robyn I have lived near West Calder for a number of years and haven't heard of an area called Blinkbonnie but I do know theres an area in Edinburgh by the same name. Jeanette -------Original Message------- From: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Date: 22 January 2005 01:43:49 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] Blinkbonnie I am researching COULTER, BUCHANAN and MACKIE families from Lanarkshire and West Calder. I have some certificates and census records for these familites that mention Blinkbonnie in West Calder. I can,t however find where this is on either modern or the old ordnance survey maps. Does anyone know where or near what township it is situated? Thanks Robyn .

Hi to all listers, In the process of my research of my GOLDER genealogy I have accumulated a list of birth image records that may be of interest to others. The list below is sorted by birth SURNAME. If anyone wants information don't hesitate to contact me. I have others for marriages and deaths that will be posted soon. Cheers, Bernz Birth District Name Father Mother 1891 Holytown Helen Ballantyne James Ballantyne Annie Hutchison 1891 Avondale James Barclay James Barclay Catherine McHay 1891 Holytown John Barr Margaret Barr 1893 Partick Mary Beattie John Beattie Annie McQuaide 1870 Carrock Agnes Black Duncan Black Agnes McIwraith ? 1900 Larkhall Bridget Brady Rose Brady 1882 Avondale Janet Brown James Brown Elizabeth Bownlie 1878 Avondale William Brown William Brown Catherine Brown 1870 Carrock John Cameron Duncan Cameron Elizabeth Davidson 1900 Moulin Joseph Campbell Donald Campbell Janet Fraser 1896 Hamilton Margaret Campbell Richard Campbell Robina Blyth 1882 Govan Kate Crean Edward Crean Annie McEvoy 1895 Larkhall Agnes Crichton William Crichton Jessie Weir 1882 Dalkeith Margaret Dickson Robert Dickson Marion Finlayson 1885 South Leith Eleanor Doull William Doull Catherine Mowat 1882 Hutchesontown John Flinn Michael Flinn Janet Hosie 1898 Hamilton Kenneth Fraill ? John Fraill ? Caroline ? Burrow ? 1882 Govan Archibald Frew David Frew Margaret Stark 1889 Dalkeith William Fulton John Fulton Helen McCabe ? 1898 Hamilton James Gilbert Robert Gilbert Mary Glen 1877 Hutchesontown James Hamilton Hugh Hamilton Christina Brown 1902 Hamilton James Hamilton Joseph Hamilton Agnes Clayton 1885 Partick Thomas Hay George Hay Helen Gemmell 1902 Anchterderran Jemima Henderson Thomas Henderson Jemima Beake 1902 Anchterderran James King John King Martha Graham 1902 Larkhall Isabella Kirkland Andrew Kirkland Janet Crozier 1895 Larkhall Jane Lambie Matthew Lambie Mary Shearer 1900 Moulin Violet MacPherson Hugh MacPherson Janet Comrie ? 1864 Carluke Alexander Marshall Robert Marshall Marion Golder 1901 Govan Peter Mathison John Mathison Margaret Taylor 1889 Dalkeith Janet McBeath Andrew McBeath Bridget Welsh 1893 Blackfriars David McCall Agnes McCall 1893 Partick George McNair George McNair Annie Williamson 1893 Blackfriars Marion Muir Rebecca Muir 1878 Avondale Isabella Nimmo Archilbald Nimmo Margaret Lambie 1885 Partick Elizabeth Parker James Parker Annie Welsh 1902 Larkhall Mary Rae William Rae Minnie Moore 1903 Larkhall Samuel Ramage Robert Ramage Marion Patty 1885 South Leith David Rennie George Rennie Elizabeth McNaughton 1864 Carluke Thomas Rodgerson Walter Rodgerson Elizabeth Herbert 1864 Carluke Helen Sanderson Janet Sanderson 1891 Avondale Gavin Shearer John Shearer Marion Hamilton 1901 Govan Karl Simmons Charles Simmons Kate Mowat 1903 Larkhall James Simpson James Simpson Margaret Looff ? 1882 Hutchesontown Charles Sinclair Charles Sinclair Janet Rotman ? 1877 Cambuslang George Steven Robert Steven Catherine Wilson 1889 Dalkeith Helen Stewart John Stewart Margaret Potts 1882 Avondale Daniel Taylor Alexander Taylor Mary Spence 1877 Hutchesontown Annie Thomson Alexander Thomson Janet Thomson 1857 Avondale Archibald Thomson Archilbald Thomson Agnes Campbell 1882 Dalkeith Christina Thomson Thomas Thomson Janet Herd ? 1900 Larkhall Jenny Thomson Thomas Thomson Elizabeth Forsyth 1889 Dalkeith John Thomson Wiliam Thomson Janet McGuire 1896 Hamilton Annie Waisley Thomas Waisley Mary Lynch 1877 Cambuslang Maggie Wallace James Wallace Margaret Russell 1902 Hamilton Alexander Wands John Wands Mary Kechins 1857 Avondale Alexander Wilson John Wilson Margaret Fleming Cheers, Bernz Mobile 021 660-098 All incoming and outgoing mail is scanned using the latest version of Nortons AntiVirus software

Thank you for your reply, I have had a similar one so I do think the occupation involved measuring and weighing cargo. regards kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <Proliberta@aol.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:59 AM Subject: Re: [MLN] Ship Meter > I think a meter was some kind of weight person. Weighed cargo? > >

I am researching COULTER, BUCHANAN and MACKIE families from Lanarkshire and West Calder. I have some certificates and census records for these familites that mention Blinkbonnie in West Calder. I can,t however find where this is on either modern or the old ordnance survey maps. Does anyone know where or near what township it is situated? Thanks Robyn

When my ggg grandfather was baptised in 1819 in Edinburgh, his father John HAY was shown with the occupation of Writer. Though I have looked at many Old Occupations sites, pertaining to Scotland, I can't find a definition of the occupation. He supported his family with this occupation and am asking if anyone has come across it before and ... what did he do? Thanks for any advice. Jean

Hi Elaine, I can tell you a little bit about R & R Clark as I worked there for a couple of years after I left school. That was in 1952. Also my mother and grandfather and one of my aunts also worked there way back. It was a printers mainly and was quite a large operation. They were located on Brandon St. in Edinburgh. The building was still there a couple of years ago when I was last in Edinburgh. The company no longer exists however. They did quality work, especially medical books for the university. I recall that they also printed "Who's Who" and a variety of novels, etc. Hope this is of interest. Cheers, Jim Mercer in Hamilton, Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine McNulty" <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: [MLN] Publishing Co > My grandfather apparently worked for a publishing company in the early 1900's called Rand R Clark. Does anyone know about this company? > > Also I have a medal awarded to him in 1888. On one side it says awarded to Sarg. Chas Craik. On the other is written 4th V.B.R.S. > > Does anyone know how I can find out about this medal? If it was awarded to him he would have only been 19. His father was James so not likely his. > > Regards > Elaine >

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:36:34 -0000, "Maggie Ingram" <maggieingram@tetney56.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: >I would be grateful if anyone has information regarding The Queen's Edinburgh Rifle Volunteer Brigade from 1900 - 1915. The Queen's Rifle Volunteer Brigade, The Royal Scots, was part of the Volunteer Force, and was made up of part-time soldiers. During the period 1900-1908 it consisted of three battalions (which were effectively the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Volunteer Battalions of the Royal Scots), with the Brigade's HQ being at the Drill Hall in Forrest Hill. This building, between the old Royal Infirmary and George IV Bridge, is still standing, but gave up its connection with the Army in 1993. Each of the three battalions was divided into 8 or 9 companies, and many of the companies were traditionally made up of certain categories of men. C Coy of the 1st Bn had a good proportion of accountants, whilst B coy of the 3rd Bn had a good number of merchants and A Coy of the 3rd Bn had lots of university students. H Coy of the 2nd Bn had originally been made up of total abstainers! In 1908 the Volunteer Force was renamed as the Territorial Force, and the three battalions of the Queen's Rifle Volunteer Brigade became the 4th and 5th Battalions of the Royal Scots, again based at Forrest Hill. 1908 also saw the creation of the Officers Training Corps, and A Company of the 3rd Bn split off to form the basis of the Edinburgh University contingent of the OTC. In fact, Edinburgh and Heriot-Watt Universities OTC was the last unit to occupy the building at Forrest Hill, before it moved to Colinton Road in 1993. The 4th and 5th Battalions of the Royal Scots served overseas in WW1, and had many casualties at Gallipoli. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson - British Military Genealogical Researcher. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:43:45 +1000, you wrote: >Does anyone know what the occupation, "Ship Meter" or "Harbour Meter" is? The Oxford English Dictionary has the following definition of "Meter": Meter: A person who or (occas.) thing which measures, a measurer; esp. one responsible for seeing that commodities are traded according to the proper measure. It gives the following examples of this use of the word: 1930: Lynn News & County Press, 23 Sept. 7 - Mr. Akers was a licensed meter ... licensed to weigh and meter goods discharged from ships in port." The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary gives: Meter: A person who measures; a measurer; esp. a person responsible for seeing that commodities are of the proper measure. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson - British Military Genealogical Researcher. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com

My grandfather apparently worked for a publishing company in the early 1900's called Rand R Clark. Does anyone know about this company? Also I have a medal awarded to him in 1888. On one side it says awarded to Sarg. Chas Craik. On the other is written 4th V.B.R.S. Does anyone know how I can find out about this medal? If it was awarded to him he would have only been 19. His father was James so not likely his. Regards Elaine

I would be grateful if anyone has information regarding The Queen's Edinburgh Rifle Volunteer Brigade from 1900 - 1915. Thanks, Maggie

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:22:38 +1100, you wrote: >My grandfather apparently worked for a publishing company in the early 1900's called Rand R Clark. Does anyone know about this company? > >Also I have a medal awarded to him in 1888. On one side it says awarded to Sarg. Chas Craik. On the other is written 4th V.B.R.S. > >Does anyone know how I can find out about this medal? If it was awarded to him he would have only been 19. His father was James so not likely his. This is the 4th Volunteer Battalion of the Royal Scots, and it looks as though Charles Craik was a Sergeant in that unit. The Volunteers were part-time soldiers who trained regularly at Drill Halls and went away to camps at intervals. In 1907 the battalion was based in Gilmore Place. The Royal Scots was the local regiment for Edinburgh, and the 4th Volunteer Battalion existed from 1888 to 1908, at which point it had 928 all ranks. On the creation of the Territorial Force in 1908, it became the 6th Battalion of the Royal Scots. Medals were awarded for many reasons, and those for shooting and sports were probably the most popular. Does the design of the medal indicate the reason for the award - perhaps a picture of a rifle or a running man or something like that? If he was 19 in say, 1905, then he'd be 29 in 1915, and probably fought in WW1. The Medal Index Card database at http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/medals.asp which is effectively a list of officers and men in the British Army who served overseas in WW1 has only one match for "Charles Craik": Medal card of Craik, Charles Corps Regiment No Rank King's Own Scottish Borderers 45453 Private You can download the Medal Index Card for 3.50 GBP, but there's no guarantee that it's for your man, who may be indexed under "C Craik" or a variant. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson - British Military Genealogical Researcher. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com

Thanks Jim. A very useful site. A lot of Henderson' there as well which are also in the family. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES ROBERTSON" <james.m.robertson@btinternet.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [MLN] Photographer > Hi Elaine, > > Try http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/2/2__professional_photographers.htm then navigate through to Munro. > > Hope that's some use, > > Regards, > > Jim > > Elaine McNulty <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > In the early 1900 there was a photographic studio called W K MUNRO located at 16 Pitt Street, Edinburgh. > Does anyone know anything about this studio? The idea of it still being at that address is quite ridiculous but one never knows. > Thanks > Elaine > >

Hi Jennifer, He is a "Ship Meter" on his marriage cert and "Harbour Meter" on his death cert so I am thinking that it is an occupation, something to do with shipping regards Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <GENEALOGYWAKELAM@aol.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] Ship Meter > Could be a mistranscription and should read ship master or harbour master? > > Jennifer > Devon UK > >

Thank you Forrest for sharing the maps. They're a great resource and I'm going to have to change lists. HeatherB