Sorry to send this but i not had any mail since joining so am sending this as a Test Regards Janice

On 23/1/05 10:42 am, "Alistair Cameron" <acameron@hinet.net.au> wrote: > The marriage was registered twice, not a rare happening. Kingskettle is the same place as Kettle. Spelling differences in registers often occurred..... in > 1847, writing was an uncommon skill. The wedding date may not have been recorded, many > churches logged only the Proclamations before the marriage took place. Presumably what are recorded twice are the banns ..his and hers will be in different parishes if they lived in different parishes.... This is why they appear twice in IGI Marriage would likely take place in her parish but not necessarily in the church .. To much goings on afterwards for the minister Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

I am stuck on my Robertsons in Edinburgh based in Canongate which states that James Robertson was a writer. Is there a list of Writers that could confirm this? . All I know is that he married in Kinnoul Perthshire Dec 1818 Helen Robertson she was born c1786 in Peebles and died in Canongate 1870 he was already dead. I have not found either of them on 1841 or 1851 Census their son James was at 6 Canongate by 1851 but where they are in 1841 is a mystery. James Junior born C1819 married in Dec 1841 All suggestions gratefully received. Valerie

Sorry I don't have any leads for you other than a visit to the FHC, they may have data in the system. I have not looked for the 1841 census yet. I just checked the Familysearch.com site and can't get into it. Maybe down or overloaded at this time. Take a look at their on-line catalog and see if you can find the films numbers. I live in Canada. Bob ===================================== Mac wrote: <SNIP> Hi Bob, > >Thank you for the info. This David Dowie that you sent me, for sure is mine, hence trying to get hold of 1841 Census Would you know if the Census are held anywhere in MLN other than the GRO? > >

Hi Jane I'll have a go if you want to send the image to me off list, no promises, can but try. Kirsten ----- Original Message ----- From: mcintosh To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:14 AM Subject: [MLN] Identify uniform in 1868 photograph Hello Is there someone who would be able to identify the uniform worn in an 1836 photograph? It is of two men in kilts, (military dress), one named A.W. McIntosh (our ancestor) with a gun and the other named S. Henderson with a sword. Archie McIntosh was a glazier by trade according to the various census we have found, BUT we also know he was in the Boer War at the Siege of Ladysmith. Except for the date, the reverse side of the photograph is blank and the front shows a photo on a piece of cardboard, like a postcard. many thanks, Jane McIntosh -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/05

Received, Best wishes. Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Aitkens" <aitkens64@msn.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: [MLN] Test > Sorry to send this but i not had any mail since joining so am sending this > as a Test > Regards Janice > > >

On 22/1/05 6:12 pm, "Alan Ireland" <ireland@pavilion.co.uk> wrote: > It cites the occupation of Writer as being a Lawyer or Notary. In Scotland a lawyer who moves up the ranks becomes recognised as a WS ... Or Writer to the Signet. See their website at http://www.thewss.co.uk/ Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

Hello Is there someone who would be able to identify the uniform worn in an 1836 photograph? It is of two men in kilts, (military dress), one named A.W. McIntosh (our ancestor) with a gun and the other named S. Henderson with a sword. Archie McIntosh was a glazier by trade according to the various census we have found, BUT we also know he was in the Boer War at the Siege of Ladysmith. Except for the date, the reverse side of the photograph is blank and the front shows a photo on a piece of cardboard, like a postcard. many thanks, Jane McIntosh -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/05

Received! Jennifer Devon UK

Received! Happy hunting, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: Janice Aitkens [mailto:aitkens64@msn.com] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:09 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] Test Sorry to send this but i not had any mail since joining so am sending this as a Test Regards Janice

Do you have a Alexander Aitken from kettle Fife but in West Calder Edinburgh from abt 1873 or a little earlier I have him in Kettle 1871 census, his first wife Elizabeth Haddow & second one was Isabelle Honeyman still trying to find more about him I have his parents & a bit further back but is there anyone who is related to him now or has him on census after 1881 Regards Janice Name: Alexander Aitken Birth: 22 Jun 1848 Kettle, Fife, Scotland Father: David Aitken (1811-1873) Mother: Ann Brown (1815-1866) Spouses: 1: Elizabeth Haddow Birth: abt 1854 Death: 18 Aug 1879 Back Street West Calder Edinburgh Scotland Father: Peter Haddow Mother: Barbara Marriage: 27 Jun 1873 West Calder Edinburgh Scotland Children: Barbara (~1875-) David (~1876-) Peter (~1878-) 2: Isabella Honeyman Birth: 27 Jul 1849 Kettle Fife Scotland Father: David Honeyman Mother: Elizabeth Masterton Marriage: 8 Jan 1880 Free Church West Calder Edinburgh Scotland Children: Ann Brown Honeyman (1884-)

On 22/1/05 6:12 pm, "Alan Ireland" <ireland@pavilion.co.uk> wrote: > It cites the occupation of Writer as being a Lawyer or Notary. In -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

Much obliged! Jean, and I am glad you were able to get a response from the many "kind souls". --manaia __ == --- Jean Campbell <jeancampbell@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Hello All > Thankyou very much to the people who replied to my > question. > The following is a summary, in case anyone else > needs the information: > A WRITER is a Solicitor, Lawyer, Notary; to do with > the law; also Writer to the Signet. > Wrote out Wills and Estate Inventories > > Thankyou also for the suggestions on where to find > out more. > I'm a bit stunned, as the sons and grandsons were > soldiers and commercial clerks. > Appreciate everyone's help. What a great list! > Jean > > ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

I need more information, a scan of the photo would be good too. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "mcintosh" <jed@icr.com.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 9:14 PM Subject: [MLN] Identify uniform in 1868 photograph > Hello > Is there someone who would be able to identify the uniform worn in an 1836 > photograph? > It is of two men in kilts, (military dress), one named A.W. McIntosh (our > ancestor) with a gun > and the other named S. Henderson with a sword. Archie McIntosh was a glazier > by trade according to the various census we have found, BUT we also know he > was in the Boer War at the Siege of Ladysmith. > Except for the date, the reverse side of the photograph is blank and the > front shows a photo on a piece of cardboard, like a postcard. > > many thanks, > Jane McIntosh > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/05 > >

Betsey is a nickname for Elizabeth - same woman, same wife. Would guess that Kettle = Kingskettle. Check the microfilmed original record at an LDS Family History Library to get the correct date of marriage - there are many errors in transcripts, copies, and what people have put in the IGI etc. Happy hunting, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: Janice Aitkens [mailto:aitkens64@msn.com] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:49 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] Which Father Hello Everyone, I just joined, I have a bit of a problem I have a Isabella Honeyman who married Alexander Aitken in West Calder Edinburgh 1880. It gives her father as David Honeyman & mother Elizabeth Masterton & she was born 27 Jul 1849 Kettle, now i started to look for her parents marriage & there is two who it could be as the first is David Honeyman marrying Elizabeth Masterman 25 Dec 1847 Kettle Fife, the second is Betsey Masterdon 31 Dec 1847 Kingskettle Fife both surnames are slightly out & as this is from familysearch i can understand it so which of the two would i be right in saying is the correct one i do have images of Isabella's Marriage & a daughter's birth which is in 1884, Isabella & Alexander's marriage is in 1880 & going by the 1881 census they had 3 children on there born abt 1875, 1876 & 1878 any help would be appreciated Regards Janice

Hi Janice If you have the image of Isabella's marriage does that not contain her fathers name and her mothers name on the certificate - they usually do. Good Luck Moira ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Aitkens" <aitkens64@msn.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: [MLN] Which Father > Hello Everyone, > I just joined, I have a bit of a problem I have a Isabella Honeyman who > married Alexander Aitken in West Calder Edinburgh 1880. > It gives her father as David Honeyman & mother Elizabeth Masterton & she > was born 27 Jul 1849 Kettle, now i started to look for her parents > marriage & there is two who it could be as the first is David Honeyman > marrying Elizabeth Masterman 25 Dec 1847 Kettle Fife, the second is Betsey > Masterdon 31 Dec 1847 Kingskettle Fife both surnames are slightly out & as > this is from familysearch i can understand it so which of the two would i > be right in saying is the correct one i do have images of Isabella's > Marriage & a daughter's birth which is in 1884, Isabella & Alexander's > marriage is in 1880 & going by the 1881 census they had 3 children on > there born abt 1875, 1876 & 1878 any help would be appreciated > Regards Janice > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/01/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/01/2005

Now how to put this? I would go with the formaer marriage based on the fact that it is a transcription from the records. I never accept any entries by LDS members unless I can verify it in the records, you wouldn't believe the errors in their database! In the beginning all entries had to be twice verified, now they can put in anything they want which makes searching so tedious as you have to winnow through all that chaff! Yesterday I found an entry that had one of my supposed ancestors being born in 1725 and married in 1821, go figure! My favourite is my husband's maternal great grandmother who I'd given up on and then by chance I cane over with a last name of Konen; well anyone who knows Norwegian knows that means 'the wife' so her middle name was actually her last name! I mention this because I've seen instances of occupations being used as last names in the U.K. records which is understandable because the scribes did not put in a comma after the name and wrote the occupation with a capital letter as James Allan Smith and not James Allan, Smith... so keep this in mind; if you know the occupation you might want to search for that too as James Allan, Smith, Miller, Wright etc. It's cold here today in sunny Florida so I have time to ramble :) moira p.s. I feel uncomfortable criticising the LDS church because of their invaluable contributions to family history and to the availability of a Family History Center only 3 miles where I have the opportunity to pour through microfilms of the original records. For this I am willing to accept the above.

Do you have a Alexander Aitken from kettle Fife but in West Calder Edinburgh from abt 1873 or a little earlier I have him in Kettle 1871 census, his first wife Elizabeth Haddow & second one was Isabelle Honeyman still trying to find more about him I have his parents & a bit further back but is there anyone who is related to him now or has him on census after 1881 Regards Janice Name: Alexander Aitken Birth: 22 Jun 1848 Kettle, Fife, Scotland Father: David Aitken (1811-1873) Mother: Ann Brown (1815-1866) Spouses: 1: Elizabeth Haddow Birth: abt 1854 Death: 18 Aug 1879 Back Street West Calder Edinburgh Scotland Father: Peter Haddow Mother: Barbara Marriage: 27 Jun 1873 West Calder Edinburgh Scotland Children: Barbara (~1875-) David (~1876-) Peter (~1878-) 2: Isabella Honeyman Birth: 27 Jul 1849 Kettle Fife Scotland Father: David Honeyman Mother: Elizabeth Masterton Marriage: 8 Jan 1880 Free Church West Calder Edinburgh Scotland Children: Ann Brown Honeyman (1884-)

Hello Everyone, I just joined, I have a bit of a problem I have a Isabella Honeyman who married Alexander Aitken in West Calder Edinburgh 1880. It gives her father as David Honeyman & mother Elizabeth Masterton & she was born 27 Jul 1849 Kettle, now i started to look for her parents marriage & there is two who it could be as the first is David Honeyman marrying Elizabeth Masterman 25 Dec 1847 Kettle Fife, the second is Betsey Masterdon 31 Dec 1847 Kingskettle Fife both surnames are slightly out & as this is from familysearch i can understand it so which of the two would i be right in saying is the correct one i do have images of Isabella's Marriage & a daughter's birth which is in 1884, Isabella & Alexander's marriage is in 1880 & going by the 1881 census they had 3 children on there born abt 1875, 1876 & 1878 any help would be appreciated Regards Janice

Hi Bob, Thank you for the info. This David Dowie that you sent me, for sure is mine, hence trying to get hold of 1841 Census Would you know if the Census are held anywhere in MLN other than the GRO? Perhaps a Library in the area? West Calder? Livingston? John Dowie & Janet Smith are my Gr-Gr-Grand Parents.......not to mention my brickwall for many years......like 20y++<GG> I really appreciate you help Kind regards Merrylee East Midlands "Christening Date: 19 Nov 1837 Recorded in: Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland Father: John DOWIE Mother: Janet SMITH Source: FHL Film 1066637 Dates: 1820 - 1855"