Hello Janice, You were asking "so how would i look for children from marriages that happen in 1905, 1910 & 1918" ... Well of course the advice would partly depend on where you are living, but as you didn't mention that, I would suggest that you either visit New Register House in Edinburgh, where the birth indexes do go well beyond 1918, or hire a researcher to visit N.R.H. There are many people who do such things, and at reasonable cost. Some LDS centres have the b,m,d indexes - Dundee has up to the 1950's for instance - so you could also try them. Duncan, Dundee

Hello Everyone Could anyone tell me how you research after 1904 as i been to the site scotlandspeople & looking for births & it shows date up to 1904 & a bit later for marriages then a bit later for deaths. In England you can online from 1837online site check BMD up to about 2002 so how would i look for children from marriages that happen in 1905, 1910 & 1918 Regards Janice Researching in & Around Kettle Fife & West Calder Edingburgh Scotland: Aiken/Aitken Forrester Geddie Haxton Hugh

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1. Where is the best place for me to locate: a. A death certificate for Thomas (aka Teddy, aka Edward) Harkins who died between 1871 and 1881 in Scotland b. A death certificate for the above Thomas wife, Bridget McTiernan (or McTearnan) Harkins between 1857 and 1871 (She's not in the 1871 Midlothian census and is listed as deceased at her son Timothy's 1871 wedding in Edinburgh.) c. A marriage and/or death certificate of James Harkins born in 1857 Edinburgh (son of Thomas and Bridget McTiernan Harkins). He's in the 1871 census in Edinburgh. I loose him after that. d. A birth certificate of Timothy Harkins born about 1853/54 Edinburgh (son of Thomas and Bridget McTiernan Harkins) The name Harkins is frequently spelled without the final s. On the marriage record of Timothy Harkins and his wife, it is spelled both ways. 2. Also are there any records of people who came from Ireland to Scotland in the late 1840's and early 1850's? Thanks for any advice, Maureen --

Here are the two FHC Urls outlining the data held by the LDS church for Ireland and Scotland. I do know that Ireland has the index films well into the 1900s at our local FHC, can't remember if Scotland are in-house. They do have this listed for the general birth index so BMD are probably listed Registers of births, marriages, and deaths, 1855-1875, 1881, 1891; and general index, 1855-1956 Bob Cdn. This was created by inserting Ireland or Scotland into PLACE search at the LDS/FHC site: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp Ireland: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=76&subject_disp=Ireland&columns=*,0,0 <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=76&subject_disp=Ireland&columns=*,0,0> Scotland: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=75&subject_disp=Scotland&columns=*,0,0 <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=75&subject_disp=Scotland&columns=*,0,0> ================================================= Janice > how you research after 1904 as i been to the site > scotlandspeople & looking for births & it shows date up to 1904 & a bit > later for marriages then a bit later for deaths.

Yes, the last 100 years is the most difficult because of the Privacy Act It's 100 years in the U.K. I believe and 60 years in the USA and the current administration is trying to curtail even access to death records because of the prevalence of identity theft. It did seem to me now that I think of it that there was more information available when I visited the records office, moira Janice Aitkens wrote: > Hello Everyone > Could anyone tell me how you research after 1904 as i been to the site > scotlandspeople & looking for births & it shows date up to 1904 & a bit > later for marriages then a bit later for deaths. > In England you can online from 1837online site check BMD up to about > 2002 so how would i look for children from marriages that happen in > 1905, 1910 & 1918 > Regards Janice > > > Researching in & Around Kettle Fife & West Calder Edingburgh Scotland: > Aiken/Aitken > Forrester > Geddie > Haxton > Hugh > > >

Greg Baldwin wrote: > >G'day Cobbers, Cheers! chum.......... > > Researching Surnames: > >CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT > MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT. > ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT ============================== It is a long time since we corresponded. Tell me where you are stalled on Black Isle pls My ggg grandparents there were John Cameron marr Christina MacDonald in 1799 in Strathgarve Other ancestors were another John Cameron marr Janet Fowler 1782 in Bogbuie Robert Robertson (distillery manager) marr Mary Mackenzie in Inverness he was stepfather to my late dad. -- Cheers, ALISTAIR M. CAMERON A.A.G.R.A. Professional Genealogist http://quozl.netrek.org/cameron-research/ PO Box 215 BUNDANOON NSW 2578 AUSTRALIA

G'day Cobbers, Looking at making contact with anybody related to the families mentioned below in order to obtain further information on these families. Descendants of Elspet DEAN & Charles McLEAN 1. Charles McLEAN , b. 15 Sep 1860 in Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, d. 27 May 1933 in Royal Infirmary, Edinburgh, Scotland, <// Informant son John McLean, 50 Dalmeny Street, Edinburgh, Scotland>. He married Elspet (Elsie) DEAN , b. 10 Sep 1858 in Elgin, Moray Scotland, (daughter of Alexander DEAN and Isabella MELVIN ) christened 16 Sep 1858 in Elgin, Moray, Scotland, d. 06 Oct 1946 in 34 Royston Main Crescent, Edinburgh, Scotland, <// Informant to death son George D McLean, 7 Piershill Square, Edinburgh, Scotland>. 1.1. Charles (Pappa) McLEAN , b. 01 Feb 1893 in 51 South Street, Elgin, Scotland. He married Margery Murray WILSON , (daughter of James WILSON and Margaret BLAIK ). 1.1.1. Margaret Blaik McLEAN , b. 15 Nov 1920 in 11 South Street, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. She married James WHITE , b. Abt 1919, (son of Walter Blackie WHITE and Agnes Ramsay VALLANCE ). 1.1.2. Elspeth Dean McLEAN . 1.1.3. John McLEAN . 1.1.4. William Dean McLEAN , b. Abt 1923, d. 19 Jul 1944, buried in Grave/Memorial Reference I. A. 13., Banneville-La-Campagne War Cemetery, France. 1.1.5. David Grant McLEAN. 1.1.6. Norah Garvie McLEAN. 1.1.7. Flora June McLEAN. 1.2. Isabella Melvin (Bella) McLEAN, b. 02 Mar 1894 in South Street, Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. She married David GRANT. 1.2.1. Bella GRANT. 1.3. Alexander McLEAN, b. 14 Nov 1895 in 11 Batchen Lane, Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. 1.4. John Jenkins McLEAN, b. 22 Nov 1896 in 20 Batchen Lane, Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. 1.5. Robert Clark McLEAN, b. 10 Mar 1898 in Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, d. 13 Feb 1899 in Garmouth, Moray, Scotland. 1.6. George Dean McLEAN, b. 23 Oct 1902 in 3 Greenside Road, Edinburgh, Scotland, d. 10 Jul 1965 in 4 Greendykes Terrace, Edinburgh, Scotland, <// Informant their son G. D. McLean, 7 Wester Broom Avenue, Edinburgh, Scotland // On the west of Edinburgh near the Gyle >. He married Mary SIMPSON. 1.6.1. G D McLEAN, b. in Scotland. Regards Greg Baldwin Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ Email: kennethb@melbpc.org.au All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 KFHS 7736 Researching Surnames: ALLEN - Cornwall, Eng. BAILEY - Plymouth, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ BALDWIN - Kent, Eng>New Zealand> Qld, AUS BENTON - Warwick, Eng BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT BROWN - Wellington, NZ CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT COKER - Rongeta, Wellington, NZ CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland EDWARDS - Cornwall, Eng. FRANCES - AUS GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INCH - Cornwall, Eng>New Zealand INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LANGDON - NZ LAURANCE - Banff, SCT. LEYLAND - Warwick, Eng. LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT. MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McFADDEN -Down, NIR McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS RAFFAN - Banff, SCT REEVES - Yorkshire (?), Eng. RUNNALLS/REYNOLDS - Cornwall, Eng. ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT SPRENGER - Qld, AUS STUART - Moray, SCT WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS WARBURTON -Cheshire, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ WHITEHOUSE - Warwick, Eng. WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand Helen's Stolen Generation Program: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm

Jane, Thank you very much for the excellent suggestions. I did email the Mining museum, so we'll see what they say. I hadn't thought of the NAS, I'll add that to my To Do list already started for there! And, I hadn't known of the Labour History group, but that makes sense. Part of my gap is that I don't know what organizations exist! It's precisely that I don't know clearly where my gg grandfather lived that I'm looking in this direction - I have him located later in life, but not early on. Hoping to find some clues; although from your email excerpt, there are so many locations for coal miners that I'll need to narrow it down quite a bit! Thanks again for the information, Allison

Gretchen You could try --http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/search.aspx It lists civilian casualties as well as Military Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: <GBZMOM@aol.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] 1891 & 1901 Census > Jenifer, > > Could you explain to me what a look up exchange is....or does? The other > side of my family is all from England, and I have very little information > on > them as I understand that most of them were killed in a bomb shelter in > London > during WW2. > > Thanks, > gretchen > Michigan USA >

Jenifer, Could you explain to me what a look up exchange is....or does? The other side of my family is all from England, and I have very little information on them as I understand that most of them were killed in a bomb shelter in London during WW2. Thanks, gretchen Michigan USA

Hello Tom, Forgive me if I have contacted you before, but are you related to Alexander STEWART, born Tranent in 1805 and died in Edinburgh in 1859. The informant of his death was a cousin named Tom. STEWART of Leith. Just a long shot, but worth asking. Gil. HALL, Southampton.

Hi Alison, Try an email to the museum. They could tell you who owned the mines in your ancestor's area in those days and perhaps where their records are held. A quick look on the National Archives Scotland catalogue http://www.dswebhosting.info/NAS/ and I found 64 references to: shale west lothian (my key words) though admittedly not lists of the miners - and many more when I wrote 'coal' Do you know where he was living? Miners lived near the pit heads. There are mineworker union records from about 1890 at The National Library in Scottish Labour History Collections. You can search this site for specific places. http://www.nls.uk/collections/index.html Books about the miners and mining, -presumably with bibliographies. http://www.scottishbooksellers.com/index.html http://www.stenlake.co.uk/books/56.htm Mining The Lothians Author: Guthrie Hutton Price: £15.00 Published in association with the Scottish Mining Museum, Mining the Lothians features many photographs drawn from the museum's excellent collection. Like our other mining books, this one runs the gamut of mining life, featuring everything from colliery construction shots to the demolition by explosion of Monktonhall colliery's winding towers. Elsewhere there are mines rescue teams, colliery bands, miners' rows, aerial ropeways, football and cricket teams, pug locomotives, coal cutters and female coal pickers. Several pages are devoted to the West Lothian shale mining industry. Some of the sites featured are: Carriden, Kinneil colliery, Westrigg, Woodend pit, Easton pit, Riddochhill, Whitrigg pit, Polkemmet, Greenrigg colliery, East Benhar, Woodmuir, Longlea, Cuthill mine, Addiewell, Burngrange, Westwood, Seafield village, Roman Camp oilworks, Niddry Castle oilworks, Pumpherston, the Ramsay pit, Bilston Glen, Roslin, Rosewell, Lady Victoria colliery, Easthouses, Emily pit, Gore pit, Vogrie, Elphinstone, Macmerry, Prestonlinks, Prestongrange, Wallyford, Carberry, Smeaton, Gilmerton, Newcraighall, Woolmet and Monktonhall. I hope this helps a bit, Jane in Midlothian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison Vidal" <allswell58@hotmail.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: [MLN] Mine Worker Records > Hello All, > Does anyone know of databases, archives, or organizations specific to > mining that might have records of mine workers in the 1840s through 1860s > for the West Lothian region? I have looked at the Scottish Mining Museum > website, but have not seen any collections mentioned. > > My g-grandfather was a Shale Miner and my gg-grandfather a Coal Miner. I > am trying to find work records, particularly for my gg-grandfather James > Ross born c. 1825 whose early whereabouts are not clearly known. > > Thanks very much, > Allison > Tampa, FL > > >

Hello I have had a bit of success with my Aitken family, Alexander who was born in Kettle Fife 1848 he moved to West Calder & I have them back in Fife in Buckhaven here is a brief tree showing some of his children's spouses if you see any connection please let me know Regards Janice 1. Alexander Aitken. Born on 22 Jun 1848 in Kettle, Fife, Scotland. Alexander died in Buckhaven Fife Scotland in 1890, he was 41. On 27 Jun 1873 when Alexander was 25, he first married Elizabeth Haddow, daughter of Peter Haddow & Barbara, in West Calder Edinburgh Scotland. Born abt 1854. Elizabeth died in Back Street West Calder Edinburgh Scotland on 18 Aug 1879, she was 25. They had the following children: I. Barbara. Born abt 1875 in West Calder Edinburgh Scotland. ii. David. Born abt 1876 in West Calder Edinburgh Scotland. David died in Buckhaven Fife Scotland in 1926, he was 50. Occupation: Coal Miner Buckhaven (1901). In 1905 when David was 29, he married Annie R Patterson, in Buckhaven Fife Scotland. iii. Peter Haddow. Born abt 1878 in West Calder Edinburgh Scotland. Peter Haddow died in Buckhaven Fife Scotland in 1890, he was 12. On 8 Jan 1880 when Alexander was 31, he second married Isabella Honeyman, daughter of David Honeyman & Elizabeth Masterton, in Free Church West Calder Edinburgh Scotland. Born on 27 Jul 1849 in Kettle Fife Scotland. They had the following children: i. Betsy Masterton. Born in 1881 in West Calder Edinburgh Scotland. In 1918 when Betsy Masterton was 37, she married James Thomas Haywood, in Buckhaven Fife Scotland. ii. Ann Brown Honeyman. Born on 8 Jun 1884 in Main Street West Calder Edinburgh Scotland. In 1910 when Ann Brown Honeyman was 25, she married Allan William C Fairweather, in Buckhaven Fife Scotland. iii. Alexander. Born abt 1887 in West Calder Edinburgh Scotland. iv. Isabelle. Born abt 1889 in Fife Scotland. Researching in & Around Kettle Fife & West Calder Edingburgh Scotland: Aiken/Aitken Forrester Geddie Haxton Hugh

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Hello All, Does anyone know of databases, archives, or organizations specific to mining that might have records of mine workers in the 1840s through 1860s for the West Lothian region? I have looked at the Scottish Mining Museum website, but have not seen any collections mentioned. My g-grandfather was a Shale Miner and my gg-grandfather a Coal Miner. I am trying to find work records, particularly for my gg-grandfather James Ross born c. 1825 whose early whereabouts are not clearly known. Thanks very much, Allison Tampa, FL

Hi Tom From what i know so far on the Scottish side of the Aitken family is that they came from Kettle in Fife, my main line had been an Andrew Aiken who went off to India in 1803 & i been working on his siblings decensants & his brother William had a Grandson Alexander who is the one i have in West Calder he is one of 10 children so there is always a chance that your John is related as well as Alex's siblings, you have Andrew who was one of 7 & 4 of them were sons, I am not sure where Pestonkirk is not too good with the Geograph sorry I can't be more help Regards Janice >From: "Tom & Carol Stewart" <carolfam@earthlink.net> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [MLN] 1891 & 1901 Census >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:38:49 -0500 > >Janice, >I had a ggrandfather named John Aitken who was a forester from the >Pestonkirk area mid to late 1800,s. Is there any relationship to the >Aitkens you are researching? > Thanks > Tom >

His name was Charles Craik born in 1869, lived in Lasswade. He was a publishers assistant or a bookbinder. His father was a typefounder and I wonder if he didn't work there as well. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "jmercer" <jmercer@mountaincable.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [MLN] Publishing Co > Most likely. My grandad was William Rowan and he was a letterpress > machineman. > What was you grandfathers name? > Jim. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elaine McNulty" <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: [MLN] Publishing Co > > > > Thank you Jim for that information. I wonder if our grandfathers knew > each > > other?? > > Elaine > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jmercer" <jmercer@mountaincable.net> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:12 AM > > Subject: Re: [MLN] Publishing Co > > > > > > > Hi Elaine, > > > I can tell you a little bit about R & R Clark as I worked there for a > > couple > > > of years after I left school. That was in 1952. Also my mother and > > > grandfather and one of my aunts also worked there way back. It was a > > > printers mainly and was quite a large operation. They were located on > > > Brandon St. in Edinburgh. The building was still there a couple of > years > > > ago when I was last in Edinburgh. The company no longer exists however. > > > They did quality work, especially medical books for the university. I > > > recall that they also printed "Who's Who" and a variety of novels, etc. > > > Hope this is of interest. > > > Cheers, > > > Jim Mercer in Hamilton, Canada. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Elaine McNulty" <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:22 PM > > > Subject: [MLN] Publishing Co > > > > > > > > > > My grandfather apparently worked for a publishing company in the early > > > 1900's called Rand R Clark. Does anyone know about this company? > > > > > > > > Also I have a medal awarded to him in 1888. On one side it says > awarded > > > to Sarg. Chas Craik. On the other is written 4th V.B.R.S. > > > > > > > > Does anyone know how I can find out about this medal? If it was > awarded > > > to him he would have only been 19. His father was James so not likely > > his. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Elaine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/01/05

Many thanks Elizabeth for bringing this to my attention. I should have written 1868. Sorry listers. Cheers Jane ----- Original Message ----- If the photograph was taken of the young man in the kilt in 1836, I doubt if he could also have served in the Boer war (Ladysmith), which lasted 1889-1902. Elizabeth -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 24/01/05

Jane, One of the pieces of trivia I have remembered from my long gone schooldays, funny how those dates stay with you, I don't think the kids nowadays learn, capital cities, battle dates or flags and currencies any more, trivia nowadays but the strap then if u couldn't remember them ! regards, Elizabeth > Thank you Elizabeth, my fault it should have read 1868! > What an error. > Cheers Jane >> > > Hi, > > If the photograph was taken of the young man in the kilt in 1836, I doubt > if > > he could also have served in the boer war (ladysmith), which lasted > > 1889-1902. > > > > Elizabeth > > >