----- Original Message ----- From: Margaret Holmes To: MIDLOTHIAN-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: James WALKER Hello This is my 1st posting. I believe that a James WALKER enlisted in the 6th Garrison battalion at Edinburgh Castle in 1803 (Feb.-March time) I wonder if there are any records anywhere which will tell me if he was married at that time & to whom. This battalion became the 10th Royal veteran It was marched between Edinburgh & Fort George until transported to Quebec 1807. Thanks Margaret

That's it, Sonia. I just found a handwriting guide in my genealogy class today. (After I had it figured out.) My dad worked in the mines around Hamilton, as a young boy, and often talked about the air and the canaries used to watch for the gas. That was 'way back before 1930. Jeannette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [MLN] Mine accident information > Could it be foul air, i.e. gas? > > Sonia > > -----Original Message----- > From: J T Walton [mailto:jtwalton13@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 3:03 PM > To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MLN] Mine accident information > > Hi listers, > Please tell me where I might look for information on a mine accident in > West Calder 18 May, 1859. > I've found the death registration for an ancestor on that date. > Directly below that is another man who died at the same time, same place, > same day. The writing (by the same person) is a little hard to read but > appears to be "Killed by foul ....in a coal pit. > There has just been a discussion on LANARK list about mine records and > the status of the workers. Hopefully, this incident is a little later than > that, and there are some records. > > Many thanks for any clues. > Jeannette > > >

Thanks, Margaret, but there's no chance of their being below the border. Jeannette ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret murdoch" <mgtmurdoch@clara.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: [MLN] 1820's marriage in Whitburn > Hi Jeanette, > There is a Whitburn Village in County Durham, on the coast between South > Shields and Sunderland. Perhaps its worth a try, if you can't find them in > Scotland. Mgt. > > >

Looking for contact with others researching the children of Alexander JEFFRE(A)Y, & Euphemia SCOTT. They were married Melrose, Roxburgh, 1819. Known Children ; Elizabeth 1819 at Melrose, James 1822 at Langshaw, Mary 1824 at Colmslie Hill, Jane /Janet 1829, at Hillsop, Euphemia 1827 at Colmslie Hill, Alexander 1832 at Threepwood, ( he died age 27 in Stow). By 1832 Euphemia ( the Mother ), was a Widow, & the family moved to Stow, where she lived until her death in 1883, age 86 yrs. I have the marriages of the children. Mary New Zealand.

Thanks, Alistair! Happy hunting, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Cameron [mailto:acameron@hinet.net.au] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 1:59 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] 1820s marriage - Whitburn Gil & Sonia Murray wrote for Bob > Bob, what is Shotts and LKS, please? Shotts is a town on the west side of Central Scotland. The registers and Census records are archived as in the parish of Shotts or in the parish of Cambusnethan, the parish border cutting thru the burgh. On any decent UK map the grid ref is NS8760. The 1971 pop was 5558 for parish of Shotts, and 9512 for the town, the difference being the pop. of parish Cambusnethan. LKS is the Chapman Code abbreviation for Lanarkshire. Chapman code is a logical list which includes INV [erness], LAN [cashire], MDX [Middlesex] and MLN [Midlothian] Cheers, ALISTAIR M. CAMERON A.A.G.R.A. Professional Genealogist http://quozl.netrek.org/cameron-research/ PO Box 215 BUNDANOON NSW 2578 AUSTRALIA

Could it be foul air, i.e. gas? Sonia -----Original Message----- From: J T Walton [mailto:jtwalton13@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 3:03 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] Mine accident information Hi listers, Please tell me where I might look for information on a mine accident in West Calder 18 May, 1859. I've found the death registration for an ancestor on that date. Directly below that is another man who died at the same time, same place, same day. The writing (by the same person) is a little hard to read but appears to be "Killed by foul ....in a coal pit. There has just been a discussion on LANARK list about mine records and the status of the workers. Hopefully, this incident is a little later than that, and there are some records. Many thanks for any clues. Jeannette

Hi listers, Please tell me where I might look for information on a mine accident in West Calder 18 May, 1859. I've found the death registration for an ancestor on that date. Directly below that is another man who died at the same time, same place, same day. The writing (by the same person) is a little hard to read but appears to be "Killed by foul ....in a coal pit. There has just been a discussion on LANARK list about mine records and the status of the workers. Hopefully, this incident is a little later than that, and there are some records. Many thanks for any clues. Jeannette

Thanks, Sheena. I shall check it out. Jeannette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Ireland" <ireland@pavilion.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 5:29 AM Subject: RE: [MLN] 1820s marriage - Whitburn > Or it could be the marriage of siblings of the other couple. I have seen > this a few times in my own searches. > Best wishes, > Sheena Ireland > > -----Original Message----- > From: hiflyte [mailto:hiflyte@telus.net] > Sent: 05 February 2005 03:27 > To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1820s marriage - Whitburn > > > Jeannette' > > Here are three Thorton marriages from Shotts in LKS. The first entry > fits your line with Surname matching msg, but the Given names are > different and the year is 1821 not 1820, could you have or been given > incorrect data? > > I have no more information or interest in this surname, just posting the > data. > > Bob > Cdn. > > ======================================= > THORNTON, Alexander Marriage > Wife: Elisabeth WADDELL > Marriage Date: 11 Nov 1821 Recorded in: Shotts, > Lanarkshire, Scotland > Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 > ======================== > THORNTON, Thomas Marriage > Wife: Mary THOMSON > Marriage Date: 7 Jul 1850 Recorded in: Shotts, Lanarkshire, > Scotland > Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 > ======================================== > ROBB, James Marriage > Wife: Agnes THORNTON > Marriage Date: 27 Jun 1852 Recorded in: Shotts, > Lanarkshire, Scotland > Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 > ============================== > ============================== > J T Walton wrote: > > >The marriage of PETER THORNTON and CATHERINE WADDELL about 1820, is not > listed on Scotland's People. Any suggestions where I might look next, to > document this marriage? > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Sonia, Noticed your surname. Do u have any MURRAY'S in Bathgate,West Lothian? Elizabeth MURRAY.CRAWFORD.BINNIE. Bathgate. COOK.WRIGHT.MURRAY.McGUFFEN. Ireland/Shotts/Chapelhall/Holytown. > Thanks, Bob! Appreciate the info. I was hoping it was a source I hadn't > known about, for records! > > Happy hunting, > > Sonia >

Gil & Sonia Murray wrote for Bob > Bob, what is Shotts and LKS, please? Shotts is a town on the west side of Central Scotland. The registers and Census records are archived as in the parish of Shotts or in the parish of Cambusnethan, the parish border cutting thru the burgh. On any decent UK map the grid ref is NS8760. The 1971 pop was 5558 for parish of Shotts, and 9512 for the town, the difference being the pop. of parish Cambusnethan. LKS is the Chapman Code abbreviation for Lanarkshire. Chapman code is a logical list which includes INV [erness], LAN [cashire], MDX [Middlesex] and MLN [Midlothian] Cheers, ALISTAIR M. CAMERON A.A.G.R.A. Professional Genealogist http://quozl.netrek.org/cameron-research/ PO Box 215 BUNDANOON NSW 2578 AUSTRALIA

Hi Jeanette, There is a Whitburn Village in County Durham, on the coast between South Shields and Sunderland. Perhaps its worth a try, if you can't find them in Scotland. Mgt.

Or it could be the marriage of siblings of the other couple. I have seen this a few times in my own searches. Best wishes, Sheena Ireland -----Original Message----- From: hiflyte [mailto:hiflyte@telus.net] Sent: 05 February 2005 03:27 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] 1820s marriage - Whitburn Jeannette' Here are three Thorton marriages from Shotts in LKS. The first entry fits your line with Surname matching msg, but the Given names are different and the year is 1821 not 1820, could you have or been given incorrect data? I have no more information or interest in this surname, just posting the data. Bob Cdn. ======================================= THORNTON, Alexander Marriage Wife: Elisabeth WADDELL Marriage Date: 11 Nov 1821 Recorded in: Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 ======================== THORNTON, Thomas Marriage Wife: Mary THOMSON Marriage Date: 7 Jul 1850 Recorded in: Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 ======================================== ROBB, James Marriage Wife: Agnes THORNTON Marriage Date: 27 Jun 1852 Recorded in: Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 ============================== ============================== J T Walton wrote: >The marriage of PETER THORNTON and CATHERINE WADDELL about 1820, is not listed on Scotland's People. Any suggestions where I might look next, to document this marriage? > > > >

Thanks, Bob! Appreciate the info. I was hoping it was a source I hadn't known about, for records! Happy hunting, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: hiflyte [mailto:hiflyte@telus.net] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:40 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] RE: What is Shotts? Shotts is a parish in LKS = Lanarkshire which is a county in Scotland http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/LKS/index.html http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/LKS/Shotts/index.html ========================================= >Bob, what is Shotts and LKS, please? > >Thanks, > >Sonia > >

Dear List, I am trying to help my wife trace, and extend her knowledge of one branch for her family. One of her cousins completed some research several years ago and established most of the following. The family we are interested in is the family of John Balfour Ireland (believed born December 11, 1821 and Barbara Baillie Ireland (nee Scott) (believed born May 16, 1816). According to the information I have John and Barbara were married on May 17, 1843. I believe that John’s occupation was as a banker in Edinburgh. According to my source John’s parents were Walter Foggo Ireland (born August 8, 1775 who married Margaret Spalding? sometime between 1804-1806. Walter’s parents were George Ireland (born August 3, 1742) who married Jennet? Foggo on October 30, 1774. I believe that John and Barbara Ireland had at least four recorded children. In order of birth they were Barbara Georgina Ireland (1845), John Alexander Ireland (1846), Catherine Mary Alice Ireland (1849), and Jane Ireland (1853). Catherine Mary Alice is my wife’s great grandmother. We know she arrived in Australia sometime before July 21, 1871 as she married Thomas McCusker in Ballarat, Victoria on that date. What we have been unable to establish is 1. if she came to Australia by herself or with one or more members of her family; 2. if any of her family remained in Scotland, what became of them? If anyone on the list is also descended from this family, or has information on what happened to the other members of the family, we would welcome contact and sharing of information. Dana Frantz Napoleons, Victoria, Australia _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 60,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail

Bob, what is Shotts and LKS, please? Thanks, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: hiflyte [mailto:hiflyte@telus.net] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:27 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] 1820s marriage - Whitburn Jeannette' Here are three Thorton marriages from Shotts in LKS. The first entry fits your line with Surname matching msg, but the Given names are different and the year is 1821 not 1820, could you have or been given incorrect data? I have no more information or interest in this surname, just posting the data. Bob Cdn. ======================================= THORNTON, Alexander Marriage Wife: Elisabeth WADDELL Marriage Date: 11 Nov 1821 Recorded in: Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 ======================== THORNTON, Thomas Marriage Wife: Mary THOMSON Marriage Date: 7 Jul 1850 Recorded in: Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 ======================================== ROBB, James Marriage Wife: Agnes THORNTON Marriage Date: 27 Jun 1852 Recorded in: Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 ============================== ============================== J T Walton wrote: >The marriage of PETER THORNTON and CATHERINE WADDELL about 1820, is not listed on Scotland's People. Any suggestions where I might look next, to document this marriage? > > > >

Shotts is a parish in LKS = Lanarkshire which is a county in Scotland http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/LKS/index.html http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/LKS/Shotts/index.html ========================================= >Bob, what is Shotts and LKS, please? > >Thanks, > >Sonia > >

Jeannette' Here are three Thorton marriages from Shotts in LKS. The first entry fits your line with Surname matching msg, but the Given names are different and the year is 1821 not 1820, could you have or been given incorrect data? I have no more information or interest in this surname, just posting the data. Bob Cdn. ======================================= THORNTON, Alexander Marriage Wife: Elisabeth WADDELL Marriage Date: 11 Nov 1821 Recorded in: Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 ======================== THORNTON, Thomas Marriage Wife: Mary THOMSON Marriage Date: 7 Jul 1850 Recorded in: Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 ======================================== ROBB, James Marriage Wife: Agnes THORNTON Marriage Date: 27 Jun 1852 Recorded in: Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 ============================== ============================== J T Walton wrote: >The marriage of PETER THORNTON and CATHERINE WADDELL about 1820, is not listed on Scotland's People. Any suggestions where I might look next, to document this marriage? > > > >

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Hi Dana, Sorry, not my husband's line, before you get too excited! However, Walter Foggo Ireland was minister of North Leith Parish Church, first as assistant to David Johnston from 1799 - 1824, then in sole charge from 1824 - 1828. If you know any more about George Ireland, other than what is on IGI, I would be interested. Thanks. Best wishes, Sheena Ireland -----Original Message----- From: Dana Frantz [mailto:frantz_mcmanus_genealogy@hotmail.com] Sent: 04 February 2005 11:48 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Ireland family of Edinburgh - 1800s Dear List, I am trying to help my wife trace, and extend her knowledge of one branch for her family. One of her cousins completed some research several years ago and established most of the following. The family we are interested in is the family of John Balfour Ireland (believed born December 11, 1821 and Barbara Baillie Ireland (nee Scott) (believed born May 16, 1816). According to the information I have John and Barbara were married on May 17, 1843. I believe that John’s occupation was as a banker in Edinburgh. According to my source John’s parents were Walter Foggo Ireland (born August 8, 1775 who married Margaret Spalding? sometime between 1804-1806. Walter’s parents were George Ireland (born August 3, 1742) who married Jennet? Foggo on October 30, 1774. I believe that John and Barbara Ireland had at least four recorded children. In order of birth they were Barbara Georgina Ireland (1845), John Alexander Ireland (1846), Catherine Mary Alice Ireland (1849), and Jane Ireland (1853). Catherine Mary Alice is my wife’s great grandmother. We know she arrived in Australia sometime before July 21, 1871 as she married Thomas McCusker in Ballarat, Victoria on that date. What we have been unable to establish is 1. if she came to Australia by herself or with one or more members of her family; 2. if any of her family remained in Scotland, what became of them? If anyone on the list is also descended from this family, or has information on what happened to the other members of the family, we would welcome contact and sharing of information. Dana Frantz Napoleons, Victoria, Australia _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 60,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail ______________________________

Hi Listers, Just a quick question. My gggrandmother was Elizabeth Laing, married to Robert Archibald (deceased) and then to George Baptie. On 26 Oct, 1856, they had a son, Charles Baptie, according to IGI. The 1861 Census lists his older brother, William and younger brother, George, no mention of Charles. He may have died, but I can't prove it. No further listing for Charles, but can't find any death record either. Did they send 4 year olds to live other places, schools, institutions????? Any ideas?? gretchen Michigan, USA