Thanks Rhona, unfortunately I don't see any connection. The earliest ROURKE I have is Patrick ROURKE and Catherine RILEY who had a son James ROURKE born Ireland about 1827 married Mary (Rose) QUINN in Edinburgh 1852, lived Linlithgow,Edinburgh and Saltoun E Lothian. The McMANUS side starts with Hugh McMANUS and Bridget ? had a son James born about 1824 in Ireland, married Catherine MULHEARNE date of arrival in Scotland unknown but were having children in E Lothian and Berwick during the 1850s and 60s. Best wishes, Olive.

Hi Jim and all, Enclosing interesting sites about Scotland and Shale. http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/bathgate/bathgate/ http://www.sorbie.net/lanarkshire_mining_industry.htm http://www.xs4all.nl/~jorbons/souterrains/art/scotunst.html http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/e912.htm http://www.ukfossils.co.uk/sec119b.htm http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/broxburn/broxburn/ http://members.optushome.com.au/scottsoftb/ShaleOil.htm Happy Valentines Day everyone ))) aggie >Hi Janice, >Shale contains oil and was dug from the ground and used to make oil >products. There were mines in the area and even today the huge red slag >heaps are still to be seen. >Cheers, >Jim Mercer. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Janice Aitkens" <aitkens64@msn.com> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:30 PM >Subject: [MLN] What is a Shale Miner > > >> Hello Everyone >> Could someone tell me what a Shale Miner is as i have a Alexander Aitken >in >> Wallace Row West Calder on the 1881 census giving this as his occupation >so >> what is it & where would he do this was there mines in this area i don't >> know the area just know a little of Edinburgh from when i had visited the >> wonderful city on a few occasions >> Regards Janice >> >> >> Researching in & Around Kettle Fife & West Calder Edingburgh Scotland: >> Aiken/Aitken >> Forrester >> Geddie >> Haxton >> Hugh >> >> > > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Hi Janice, Shale contains oil and was dug from the ground and used to make oil products. There were mines in the area and even today the huge red slag heaps are still to be seen. Cheers, Jim Mercer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Aitkens" <aitkens64@msn.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: [MLN] What is a Shale Miner > Hello Everyone > Could someone tell me what a Shale Miner is as i have a Alexander Aitken in > Wallace Row West Calder on the 1881 census giving this as his occupation so > what is it & where would he do this was there mines in this area i don't > know the area just know a little of Edinburgh from when i had visited the > wonderful city on a few occasions > Regards Janice > > > Researching in & Around Kettle Fife & West Calder Edingburgh Scotland: > Aiken/Aitken > Forrester > Geddie > Haxton > Hugh > >

Hi Janice, I'm not sure if I contacted you before, but do you have any of your Aitkens or Forresters marrying any Lindsays? Take care, Lorraine

Hi Olive Yes I do have McManus and O'Rorke in my family tree but they come from Edinburgh and Mid Calder etc. My grandmother Sara Jane Molloy d/o Robert Molloy and Sarah Thomas married James O'Rorke s/o James O'Rorke and Mary Early. William Henry Molloy my great uncle married Catherine McManus. I'm not sure because I can't read it but I think her mother Elizabeth Connolly was born about 1866 in what looks like Haddingtonshire on the 1901 census for Mid Calder. Catherine's father Martin McManus came from Ireland and he and Elizabeth were married in Broxburn. Take Care Rhona ----- Original Message ----- From: "olive drummond" <olive.drummond@lineone.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2005 6:13 Subject: Re: [MLN] extra certificates -McMANUS and O'RORKE > Hi Rhona, > you have aroused my curiosity -amongst the certificates you list I see a > number of McMANUS and O'RORKE and I assume this means you have these names > in your tree. I am descended from a Daniel McMANUS and Maria ROURKE/O'RORKE > who married at Haddington in 1877 - any connection? > Regards, > Olive. >

Maureen Here is the details of the death certificate of Bridget Harkin's son 1890 Kirknewton/East Calder Myles McFARLANE aged 5month 17 January 1890 at Carrops? Kirknewton father John McFarlane Miner mother Bridget Harkin cause of death measels 10 days congestion of the lung 1day informatn John McFarlane father Take Care Rhona ----- Original Message ----- From: <mcole@hollis.center.lib.me.us> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2005 5:19 Subject: Re: question on [MLN] extra certificates > Good Afternoon: > > I'm interested in Bridget Harkin. Do you have any more information on her? > > Thanks, > > Maureen > >

Hello Shona Here are the details Parish Mid Calder County Mid Lothian William GLENCORSE 6 May 1899 4.45pm 61 Pumpherston Mid Calder, father William Glencorse shale miner mother Jane Hutton married 12 March 1886 Pumpherston Mid Calder signed William Glencorse father Take Care Rhona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shona Smith" <Shona21@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 11 February 2005 7:31 Subject: Re: [MLN] extra certificates

Hi Rhona, you have aroused my curiosity -amongst the certificates you list I see a number of McMANUS and O'RORKE and I assume this means you have these names in your tree. I am descended from a Daniel McMANUS and Maria ROURKE/O'RORKE who married at Haddington in 1877 - any connection? Regards, Olive.

1899 Births Mid Calder Mid Lothian Catherine McMANUS d/o Martin McManus and Elizabeth CONNOLLY Thomas BISHOP s/o James Bishop and Janet SMITH William GLENCORSE s/o William Glencorse and Jane HUTTON 1890 deaths Kirknewton/East Calder John McMANUS s/o John McManus and Margaret REILLY Jessie MILLER d/o Alexander Miller and Dinah MELVILLE Myles McFARLANE s/o john McFarlane and Bridget HARKIN 1909 Deaths Kirknewton/East Caler James BOYLE married to Mary Ellen HARTE s/o John and Kate GETHINGO Isabella Darling ANDERSON d/o Jane Anderson Arichibald REID married to Charlotte ORR and Isabella TULLY s/o of John and Catherine Reid 1913 Death Mid Calder Anne McWADE d/o John GALLOCHER and Anne BARRETT Catherine McCABE d/o William REID and Agnes MARSHALL Elizabeth McMANUS d/o John CONNOLLY and Ann CUNNINGHAM 1934 Deaths George Square Edinburgh Maggie Ann MAXWELL d/o John Maxwell and Ann RITCHIE Martin McMANUS married to Elizabeth CONNOLLYs/o James McManus and Peter Welsh McANDREW s/o Alexander and Jessie Davidson WELSH 1950 death East Calder Mary Wilson NICOL d/o Peter Nicol and Janet WILSON Mary Ellen BOYLE d/o Henry HARTE and Ann HAGGERTY Elizabeth REID d/o James ARMSTRONG and Sarah Morrison REID 1890 Marriages Uphall Midn lothian Thomas DAVIDSON s/o George and Elizabeth CHARLESTON Mary FLEMING d/o Alexander and Maggie SMITH Martin McMANUS s/o Michael and Ann GILHOOLY Elizabeth CONNOLLY d/o John and Mary CUNNINGHAM Take Care Rhona

Good Afternoon: I'm interested in Bridget Harkin. Do you have any more information on her? Thanks, Maureen Quoting Tom and Rhona Seath <trseath@bigpond.com>: > 1899 Births Mid Calder Mid Lothian > > Catherine McMANUS d/o Martin McManus and Elizabeth CONNOLLY > > Thomas BISHOP s/o James Bishop and Janet SMITH > > William GLENCORSE s/o William Glencorse and Jane HUTTON > > 1890 deaths Kirknewton/East Calder > > John McMANUS s/o John McManus and Margaret REILLY > > Jessie MILLER d/o Alexander Miller and Dinah MELVILLE > > Myles McFARLANE s/o john McFarlane and Bridget HARKIN > > 1909 Deaths Kirknewton/East Caler > > James BOYLE married to Mary Ellen HARTE s/o John and Kate GETHINGO > > Isabella Darling ANDERSON d/o Jane Anderson > > Arichibald REID married to Charlotte ORR and Isabella TULLY s/o of John and > Catherine Reid > > 1913 Death Mid Calder > > Anne McWADE d/o John GALLOCHER and Anne BARRETT > > Catherine McCABE d/o William REID and Agnes MARSHALL > > Elizabeth McMANUS d/o John CONNOLLY and Ann CUNNINGHAM > > 1934 Deaths George Square Edinburgh > > Maggie Ann MAXWELL d/o John Maxwell and Ann RITCHIE > > Martin McMANUS married to Elizabeth CONNOLLYs/o James McManus and > > Peter Welsh McANDREW s/o Alexander and Jessie Davidson WELSH > > 1950 death East Calder > > Mary Wilson NICOL d/o Peter Nicol and Janet WILSON > > Mary Ellen BOYLE d/o Henry HARTE and Ann HAGGERTY > > Elizabeth REID d/o James ARMSTRONG and Sarah Morrison REID > > 1890 Marriages Uphall Midn lothian > > Thomas DAVIDSON s/o George and Elizabeth CHARLESTON > > Mary FLEMING d/o Alexander and Maggie SMITH > > Martin McMANUS s/o Michael and Ann GILHOOLY > > Elizabeth CONNOLLY d/o John and Mary CUNNINGHAM > > Take Care > > > Rhona > > > > > --

Hi Rhona, Could I please have the details for the birth of William Glencorse, 1899,, Mid Calder. Regards Shona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom and Rhona Seath" <trseath@bigpond.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:25 AM Subject: [MLN] extra certificates > 1899 Births Mid Calder Mid Lothian > > Catherine McMANUS d/o Martin McManus and Elizabeth CONNOLLY > > Thomas BISHOP s/o James Bishop and Janet SMITH > > William GLENCORSE s/o William Glencorse and Jane HUTTON > > 1890 deaths Kirknewton/East Calder > > John McMANUS s/o John McManus and Margaret REILLY > > Jessie MILLER d/o Alexander Miller and Dinah MELVILLE > > Myles McFARLANE s/o john McFarlane and Bridget HARKIN > > 1909 Deaths Kirknewton/East Caler > > James BOYLE married to Mary Ellen HARTE s/o John and Kate GETHINGO > > Isabella Darling ANDERSON d/o Jane Anderson > > Arichibald REID married to Charlotte ORR and Isabella TULLY s/o of John > and Catherine Reid > > 1913 Death Mid Calder > > Anne McWADE d/o John GALLOCHER and Anne BARRETT > > Catherine McCABE d/o William REID and Agnes MARSHALL > > Elizabeth McMANUS d/o John CONNOLLY and Ann CUNNINGHAM > > 1934 Deaths George Square Edinburgh > > Maggie Ann MAXWELL d/o John Maxwell and Ann RITCHIE > > Martin McMANUS married to Elizabeth CONNOLLYs/o James McManus and > > Peter Welsh McANDREW s/o Alexander and Jessie Davidson WELSH > > 1950 death East Calder > > Mary Wilson NICOL d/o Peter Nicol and Janet WILSON > > Mary Ellen BOYLE d/o Henry HARTE and Ann HAGGERTY > > Elizabeth REID d/o James ARMSTRONG and Sarah Morrison REID > > 1890 Marriages Uphall Midn lothian > > Thomas DAVIDSON s/o George and Elizabeth CHARLESTON > > Mary FLEMING d/o Alexander and Maggie SMITH > > Martin McMANUS s/o Michael and Ann GILHOOLY > > Elizabeth CONNOLLY d/o John and Mary CUNNINGHAM > > Take Care > > > Rhona > > > > >

COULD SOMEONE LOOK UP THE 1861 CENSUS PLEASE? Please could someone who has access to the 1861 Census for Musselburgh Look up a William Morrison and wife Marion to see if they had any children? I know that William was dead by March 1866 and Marion died March 2, 1866. Marion also known as Mary Ann was the daughter of James Paxton and Margaret Currie. Marion/ Mary Ann Paxton was born April 26, 1820 in Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland. Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves

1901 births St George Edinburgh Archibald PRENTICE s/o Archibald Prentice and Anne RAMSAY Mary O'RORKE d/o Thomas O'Rorke and Anne EARDLY Joseph William James BURNS s/o John Burns and Elizabeth JONES Catherine PULLAR d/o Malcom Thomson Pullar and Sarah PETERS Lydia Fraser BURNS d/oAlexander Burns and Elizabeth STEWART Terence O'RORKE s/o Terence O'Rorke and Margaret Paton BLAIN 1904 births Mid Calder Mid Lothian David O'RORKE s/o Terence O'Rorke and Margaret Paton BLAIN Barbara Syme McWILLIAM d/o John McWilliam and Barbara Millar SYME Alxander Nicol HAMILTON s/o Alexander Hamilton and Elizabeth NICOL Take Care Rhona

Moira It seems to me that it's an abbreviation of 'cautioner' --- if it was a marriage proclamation, the cautioners would deposit money refundable when the couple actually married. The couple would also pay a sum for the poor. Sara Moira Bue wrote: > I have the following questions regarding extracts from the OPR entries. > In marriage records it states that the couple 'gave to the poor and > ordinare' > Is this a correct transcription? What is the exact > derivation/translation. > Also there are entries that contain what appears to be "caur for the man" > and "caur for the woman". This is obviously character witnesses or the > equivalent of our best man/best maid although they appear to be > associated with the proclamation of banns.. What is the > derivation/translation > of caur? Thanks, > > - moira in sunny Florida > > >> >> > > >

Hello Gil Here are the details Elizabeth THORBURN widow of Alexander Brown Bruce THORBURN Fisherman 6 April 1953 39 Mew Street Musselburgh aged 56 father William GRAY fisherman deceased mother Margaret BONTHRON deceased cause of death Acute Cardiac Failure Coronary Thrombosis informant W G Thorburn son 73 Seaforth Road Ayr Take Care Rhona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil Hall" <gil@gilhall.fsnet.co.uk> To: "Tom and Rhona Seath" <trseath@bigpond.com>; <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2005 6:42 Subject: Re: extra certificates > Hallo Rhona, > > Would you mind sending details of Elizabeth GRAY d/o William GRAY and > Margaret BONTHEON from the Deaths 1953 Inveresk? I think BONTHEON may be > BONTHRON, my great aunt's married name. > Regards, > Gil. HALL, Southampton. > >

Hello List, I have come to a Brick wall concerning my Paxton family. If anyone has any suggestions that could help me break down my brick wall I would appreciate it. I have gone back to my 3X great Grandfather James Paxton. But can't get back any further as I do not know much about him or when and where he was born? I do know that he married Margaret Currie on February 13, 1817 at Canongate, Edinburgh, Scotland. and that he was living at Shoemakers Close, Canongate, Edinburgh, Scotland at the time of their marriage. Also that he was a Carter at the time of their marriage. Is there any other records that I could look up please as I am not really sure when James died? As the 1841 census did not say if Margaret Paxton was a widow or not? I know she was by 1851 Census. I think James may have died in 1831 but I am not sure? James Paxton and Margaret Currie had 6 children to my knowledge. Henry Paxton Shoemaker born about 1818 in Edinburgh Marion Paxton also known as Mary Ann born April 26, 1820 in Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland Agnes Paxton born August 5, 1822 in Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland Peter Paxton born April 25, 1825 in Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland Janet Paxton born between 1827 - 1828 in Musselburgh, Inveresk, Midlothian, Scotland. And my 2x Great Grandfather James Ferdinand D! ouglas Paxton born December 24, 1830 in Musselburgh, Inveresk, Midlothian, Scotland. My 2x Great Grandfather's Occupation was allsorts until later in life when he was a Professional Golf Player like most of his sons. Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves

Dear Listers - I made copies of baptismal records from Bathgate, so I will periodically transcribe as best I can, and send to all of you in case I find one you need! So here goes...but here is my disclaimer - this was HARD to read! If you see an entry that you think might read something else, I would be happy to offer a reinterpretation or more for you! And for those who may know the REAL name of a location I totally messed up, please control your laughter. Geography is not my forte! This is the order: Name of Child, Sex, Father's Name, Mother's Name, Employment/Profession, Date and Place of Birth - Parish, Town or Street, Date of Baptism and by whom Dispensed (in all cases to follow it was Alec B. Lelanders). Janet Rennie, F, William Rennie, Dioina (?) Miller, Deuler(?), Nov 16 1848, Blackburn Livingstone, April 1 1849, Alec Gardiner Gowan, M, James Gowan, Agnes Gardiner, Weaver, March 11 1849, Livery St Bathgate, May 20 1849 Thury(?) Newland, M, James Newland, Jane Meikle, Weaver, mar 27 1849, Engine St. Bathgate, May 20 1849 William Anderson, M, William Anderson, Roberton, Gasman, Feb 26 1849, Gas work Bathgate, May 27 1849 John Smith, M, Hugh Smith, (unnamed mother), Weaver, June 25 1849, Engine St Bathgate, July 8 1849 Jane Prentice, F, George Prentice, Ellen Geddes, Fireman, June 10 1849, Blackburn Livingstone, July 21 1849 William Duncan Petrie, M, Alex Petrie, Jessie Duncan, Plasterer, May 20 1849, Engine St Bathgate, Aug 19 1849 Thomas Paris, M, Thomas Paris, Janet Anthony, Labourer, Aug 1 1849, Deekmint(?) Livingstone, Sept 9 1849 George Martin, M, Alexander Martin, Margaret Mitchell, Weaver, April 21 1848, Blackburn Livingstone, Sept 9 1849 William Donaldson, M, Thomas Donaldson, Jane Marshall, Labourer, Nov 11 1849, Ballaneriff(?) Bathgate, Dec 2 1849 Alexander Spiers(?), M, John Spiers, Catherine Pryson(?), Wright, Dec 31 1849, Miel St Bathgate, Jan 29 1850 James Marshal, M, Edward Marshall, Janet Irishman, Miner, Feb 14 1850, Birkenshaw Mill Torphichen(?), March 7 1850 Peter Kerr Halliday, M, Adam Halliday, Janet Kerr, Labourer, Jan 13 1850, Cowstown Mains Bathgate, March 7 1850 Margaret Kerr, F, William Kerr, Ann Meikle, Labourer, March 7 1850, Torphichen(?), March 31 1850 William Masterton Baillie, M, William John Baillie, Margaret Masterton, Labourer, April 19 1850, Bathgate Moor, May 6 1850 Margaret Roberts, F, William Roberts, Margaret Marshall, Mason, June 20 1850, Bathgate, July 7 1850 Mary Rennie, F, William Rennie, Dioina Miller, Farmer, June 14 1850, Old Church Gard (Manie)(?), July 21 1850 George Addison, M, William Addison, Margaret Crawford, Servant, July 1 1850, Clinking Stone Bathgate, Sep 22 1850 Euphemia Fairbairn, F, John Fairbairn, Janet Dick, Weaver, Aug 10 1850, Cochrane St Bathgate, Sep 22 1850 Ellen Allan, F, Jamy(?) Allan, Isabella Boay(?), Labourer, Sep 20 1850, Deekmint(?) Livingstone, October 20 1850 Andrew(?) martin, M, Alexander Martin, Margaret Mitchell, Weaver, Sept 22 1850, Blackburn Livingstone, Oct 3 1850 George Rupell, M, George Rupell, Isabella Ballantyne, Iomic(?), Oct 22 1850, Engine St Bathgate, Nov 10 1850 Elizabeth Lind, F, William Lind, Elizabeth Meek or Muk,Mechanic, Sept 25 1850, Blackburn Livingstone, Nov 24 1850 Janet Fairlie, F, Henry(?) Fairlie, Mary Marshall, Carrier, no date, Ballanerieff(?) Farm Bathgate, Dec 11 1850 Joseph Bailey McKinney, M, Archibald McKinney, Agnes Bailey, China Merchant, Nov 1 1850, Bathgate, Dec 29 1850 Jane Baxter, F, Henry Baxter, Margaret Binning, Collier, Dec 11 1850, Ballanerieff(?) Bathgate, Dec 29 1850 John Reid, M, Alec Reid, Elizabeth Cunningham(?), Blacksmith, Jan 10 1851, Dylabead(?) Bathgate, Feb 2 1851 Happy hunting - Kit in Washington State, USA

Hallo Rhona, Would you mind sending details of Elizabeth GRAY d/o William GRAY and Margaret BONTHEON from the Deaths 1953 Inveresk? I think BONTHEON may be BONTHRON, my great aunt's married name. Regards, Gil. HALL, Southampton.

In the testament dated 1735 of my 5 x great-grandfather, Andrew KEY/KAY, shipmaster and provost of Kirkcaldy, the following appears as owing to him: John Aitkine, Merchant, £4.10s Scots James Miller, Merchant, £4.10s Scots James Mansfield, £9.00s Scots Alexander Davidson, £9.00s Scots Gavine Drummond, Merchant £9.00s Scots John Simson, Merchant £7.06s Scots ---"all as the rents of shops or stands possesst by them in the Parliament House." Can anybody explain where shops and ?stalls were sited in relation to the Parliament House in those days? I presume Andrew Key was in charge of sub-letting the sites. He was also due £1.0s.10d sterling as his proportion of the salary paid to the keepers of the Parliament House, plus various other sums payable by the Society of the Writers to the Signet, the Lords of Session, the Advocats ("as keeper of their gowns") and "the good town of Edinburgh for furnishing Coall and Candle in the Parliament House." Sara

I have the following questions regarding extracts from the OPR entries. In marriage records it states that the couple 'gave to the poor and ordinare' Is this a correct transcription? What is the exact derivation/translation. Also there are entries that contain what appears to be "caur for the man" and "caur for the woman". This is obviously character witnesses or the equivalent of our best man/best maid although they appear to be associated with the proclamation of banns.. What is the derivation/translation of caur? Thanks, - moira in sunny Florida > >