Dear Elizabeth, You'll probably find that Jane McKie McGowan was named for her mother or grandmother. There are several women in my Scots family who used this naming pattern - a daughter was given the mother's given and maiden name. Very helpful in tracing back! Happy hunting, Sonia in Biloxi, MS USA -----Original Message----- From: Ray Pearse [mailto:r.e.pearse@sympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:25 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] McKIE Hi Carolyn Re my grandmother Jane McCREADIE (McGOWAN) I neglected to mention that McKIE was her second name Elizabeth in Canada

Gretchen, a quick note on the location of burial grounds and helping you to "see" where things are. The ordnance survey maps used over here are amazing and accurate for locating burial grounds and even places where our relatives live. I have dozens of these maps as I track my family back over the generations. I think it might prove interesting to you to order the one(s) in the area(s) you are most interested in. Map 66 "Edinburgh covers the two places you mention. http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/ The second thing, you may already be aware of is the site genuki. I always use this as a starter for areas that are new to me to see what is available and what family history societies are active as they often have local resource both human to do minor research and information in either written or electronic media. Monument inscriptions (some) for Inveresk are online here, and instructions for where he ones for Dalkeith are in the Dalkeith site. Happy hunting. Cheers, Hugh http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/index.html -----Original Message----- From: MIDLOTHIAN-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:MIDLOTHIAN-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GBZMOM@aol.com Sent: 25 February 2005 04:33 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] Cemeteries Hi Listers, Now that I have been able to find some birth and marriage records for family members, I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to point me in the direction of cemetery information for the 1800's (other than Scotland's people, which I am still not able to use) for Dalkeith, Newton, and /or Inveresk with Musselburgh. Where would I be able to find a list of people buried in these areas? Are there many cemeteries?? As you can tell, I am not from Scotland, have never been there, and am really not sure if these areas are close enough that families might have burial plots no matter where they lived. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, gretchen Michigan, USA

Hi Listers, Now that I have been able to find some birth and marriage records for family members, I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to point me in the direction of cemetery information for the 1800's (other than Scotland's people, which I am still not able to use) for Dalkeith, Newton, and /or Inveresk with Musselburgh. Where would I be able to find a list of people buried in these areas? Are there many cemeteries?? As you can tell, I am not from Scotland, have never been there, and am really not sure if these areas are close enough that families might have burial plots no matter where they lived. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, gretchen Michigan, USA

Hello Carolyn, English records are a pain aren't they? In the end the only way I solved a similar problem (though with a more rarer name) was with a sibling of my mystery man. Someone knew of a sister called Jessie and got close to her married name. A short trawl through Scottish weddings found her in Scotland with a middle name and I was home and dry. Is there anyone who could suggest siblings for John or any evidence of family names used as middle names which could lead you anywhere? An eldest daughter say Christina Musgrove McKie would open opportunities of further exploration as an example. Good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Wright" <wright.14@ntlworld.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: [MLN] Plea for help re. McKIE > Hi > > I appear to be at a dead end and my plea is for any help with any other avenue I can go down. > > My ggggrandfather John Roger MCKIE, MACKIE or MCKEE (various spelling used down the ages) was born in Scotland according to census info in Leeds/England in 1800. His occupation was a Hawker. > > He married Mary Ann Stephenson in Leeds in 1827. I don't know when he moved to England or if his parents were with him. Family rumour has it the family originally came from Edinburgh. > > I have had a search done at the GRO Scotland but nothing was found. I know births were not always registered around this time but I am desperate to try and find another anenue to search. I have his marriage certificate but at that time no father was listed. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Carolyn/Lincoln > >

Hi I appear to be at a dead end and my plea is for any help with any other avenue I can go down. My ggggrandfather John Roger MCKIE, MACKIE or MCKEE (various spelling used down the ages) was born in Scotland according to census info in Leeds/England in 1800. His occupation was a Hawker. He married Mary Ann Stephenson in Leeds in 1827. I don't know when he moved to England or if his parents were with him. Family rumour has it the family originally came from Edinburgh. I have had a search done at the GRO Scotland but nothing was found. I know births were not always registered around this time but I am desperate to try and find another anenue to search. I have his marriage certificate but at that time no father was listed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Carolyn/Lincoln

Do you have any dates on him being born, where he lived, who he might have married, emigrating etc? regards, Gary -----Original Message----- From: gibson@email.lib.utk.edu <gibson@email.lib.utk.edu> To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: February 24, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: [MLN] David Gibson >Hello again, >I recieved an email that my David Gibson-family ran an 'accounting house' >in Scotland. Does anyone have info on 'accounting houses'? To be honest, >I'm not sure what an 'accounting houses', is/was. >If you can help, please do. >Thanks >Tika >ps. I so desperatly want to find my David Gibson and his family. >Tika Gibson >University of Tennessee at Knoxville >Reserve Department >Hodges Library >974-4121 >

Tika in Tennessee, Here are a few birth / baptisms from the IGI and BVRI indexes for the Midlothian area. Perhaps one of them will be worth investigating, particularly if you know the names of your David's 1st son (as if he followed the Scottish naming pattern, his 1st son would be named for his own father). David GIBSON - born 21 Apr 1740 Edinburgh to parents David / Christian Ferrier. David GIBSON - born 10 Mar 1742 (bapt. 16 mar 1742) Dalkeith to parents Alexander / Janet Mitchell. David GIBSON - bapt. 6 Nov 1743 Kirknewton to parents James / Kathrine Reid. David GIBSON - born 26 Apr 1747 (bapt. 3 May 1747) North Leith to parents James / Catharine Reid. David GIBSON - born 18 Feb 1747 (bap. 26 Feb 1747) to parents James / Isabel Phin. Duncan, Dundee

Hello again, I recieved an email that my David Gibson-family ran an 'accounting house' in Scotland. Does anyone have info on 'accounting houses'? To be honest, I'm not sure what an 'accounting houses', is/was. If you can help, please do. Thanks Tika ps. I so desperatly want to find my David Gibson and his family. Tika Gibson University of Tennessee at Knoxville Reserve Department Hodges Library 974-4121

I don't know if laws in Scotland were the same as in colonial America at that time, where hawkers were licensed. If they were licensed in Scotland, you might find records in Leeds municipal records. Just a thought. I was looking at early records of a Mississippi county yesterday and saw licenses for what a hawker could carry "on his back." Good luck, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Wright [mailto:wright.14@ntlworld.com] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:51 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] Plea for help re. McKIE Hi I appear to be at a dead end and my plea is for any help with any other avenue I can go down. My ggggrandfather John Roger MCKIE, MACKIE or MCKEE (various spelling used down the ages) was born in Scotland according to census info in Leeds/England in 1800. His occupation was a Hawker. He married Mary Ann Stephenson in Leeds in 1827. I don't know when he moved to England or if his parents were with him. Family rumour has it the family originally came from Edinburgh. I have had a search done at the GRO Scotland but nothing was found. I know births were not always registered around this time but I am desperate to try and find another anenue to search. I have his marriage certificate but at that time no father was listed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Carolyn/Lincoln

Hi Stephen I see that one of the children of Thomas & Maragret Watson was a Lydia Aitken I am researching Aitken name on my husband's side & was wondering how she may have come to be given this name. Regards Janice >From: Stephen <sdwatson@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MLN] ROLL CALL WATSON >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:55:25 -0500 > >Good Evening to the list. This is the family that I am researching. If >you see a connection, let me know! > >With all good wishes, > >Stephen > >(1)James WATSON m. Mary LINDSAY 1791 Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire. > >{James died Oct. 1, 1829 Birniebog, Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire.} > >Children were Margaret, Janet, Jean, William, James, Mary, Mary, Helen and >Elizabeth. > > >William WATSON m. (first) Mary RENWICK 1817 Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire. > >Children were James, William, Mary, Margaret, Janet, Thomas and William. > > >(2)William WATSON m. (second) Isabella GREY 1833 Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire. > >Children were Archibald, Isabella, Janet, Helen and John. > > >(3) Archibald WATSON m. Elizabeth FLEMING 1858 Kirknewton, Midlothian. > >Children were William, Adam Fleming, Isabella, Archibald, Margaret, >Elizabeth, Archibald, Thomas and Janet. > >(4) Thomas WATSON m. Margaret Moffat KERR 1902 Gorgie, Edinburgh, >Midlothian. > >Children were Archibald, Alexander Kerr, Lydia Aitken. > > Researching in & Around Kettle Fife & West Calder Edingburgh Scotland: Aiken/Aitken Forrester Geddie Haxton Hugh

Good morning, I am looking for a David Gibson born in Edinburgh about 1742. I dont have his parents names but I would love to have. I don't know much about him other than he made his way to America possibly with two brothers sometime before 1771. He faught in the American Revolution, at Kings Mtn. He was married to a Jane (Jennett, Jenny) Miller of Charles Town, South Carolina. They had 13 children. Sometime after David died (1812- bured at Pisgah Cem. North Carolina) two sons James b. 1772 and David moved to east Tennessee. James to Sevier County and David to Blount County, I am of James line. I have desperately looking for information on David Gibson, as well as, Jane Miller for sometime now. I would like to find David's link to Scotland. If anyone could help, my deepest appreciation to you. Thank you, Tika Tika Gibson University of Tennessee at Knoxville Reserve Department Hodges Library 974-4121

Good Evening to the list. This is the family that I am researching. If you see a connection, let me know! With all good wishes, Stephen (1)James WATSON m. Mary LINDSAY 1791 Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire. {James died Oct. 1, 1829 Birniebog, Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire.} Children were Margaret, Janet, Jean, William, James, Mary, Mary, Helen and Elizabeth. William WATSON m. (first) Mary RENWICK 1817 Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire. Children were James, William, Mary, Margaret, Janet, Thomas and William. (2)William WATSON m. (second) Isabella GREY 1833 Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire. Children were Archibald, Isabella, Janet, Helen and John. (3) Archibald WATSON m. Elizabeth FLEMING 1858 Kirknewton, Midlothian. Children were William, Adam Fleming, Isabella, Archibald, Margaret, Elizabeth, Archibald, Thomas and Janet. (4) Thomas WATSON m. Margaret Moffat KERR 1902 Gorgie, Edinburgh, Midlothian. Children were Archibald, Alexander Kerr, Lydia Aitken.

Thelma See the link below to the North Lanarkshire Council website and specifically to the information page about the Kilsyth cemetary. good luck with your investigations! http://www.northlan.gov.uk/living+here/births+marriages+and+deaths/deaths/kilsyth+cemetery.html regards Kathy

One way to check for certain that the person you seek is buried in Kilsyth, is to contact the local authority and find out if your person is buried in a municipal cemetary. In the case of Kilsyth, you might want to contact North Lanarkshire Council. I will email you separately with contact details. regards Kathy Cameron Glasgow Scotland In an email dated Wed, 23 2 2005 4:38:35 am GMT, Thelma <springdaleia@yahoo.com> writes: >Is there anyone in the Kilsyth area who knows which >cemeteries were around in 1869 and could possibly look >to see if there is a stone standing for the name >below?  And, if there is one still standing, would you >be willing to take some photos if I sent one of those >throw-away cameras and also paid for return postage? > >Isaac Wilson was born in Aramagh, Ireland, Jan.1807 >and died 2 Apr 1869 in Kilsyth, Scotland. His wife, >Agnes Telford, would not be buried with him as she >moved to West Virginia, USA, and remarried after he >died. > >Thanks so much!!  Thelma in USA   > > >         >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >

Is there anyone in the Kilsyth area who knows which cemeteries were around in 1869 and could possibly look to see if there is a stone standing for the name below? And, if there is one still standing, would you be willing to take some photos if I sent one of those throw-away cameras and also paid for return postage? Isaac Wilson was born in Aramagh, Ireland, Jan.1807 and died 2 Apr 1869 in Kilsyth, Scotland. His wife, Agnes Telford, would not be buried with him as she moved to West Virginia, USA, and remarried after he died. Thanks so much!! Thelma in USA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

In message <017f01c51859$4b36b680$fe7ff2d0@gordoneyz72m3j>, gordon crooks <glcrooks@bcpl.net> writes >Can someone give me some info on these. We are trying to see if the >custom came over to the USA in the early years. > This may help, note the spelling http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=handfasting See also the reference here http://www.siliconglen.com/culture/weddings.html -- Craig Cockburn ("coburn"). SiliconGlen.com Ltd. http://SiliconGlen.com Home to the first online guide to Scotland, founded 1994. Scottish FAQ, wedding info, website design, stop spam and more!

Hi Gordon hope this helps you.Regards,Brian in Scotland http://www.wedthemes.com/wedding_traditions.shtml Hand Festing It was a common practice for the bride and groom to hold hands and proclaim their unity to witnesses. The couple could then live for a year and a day as a married couple. After this time period had passed, should the couple wish to part ways, they could with no hard feelings. Should they wish to stay together, a priest was usually called in to perform the marriage rites to make the union legally binding. At Monday 21/02/2005 21:07, you wrote: >Can someone give me some info on these. We are trying to see if the custom >came over to the USA in the early years. > > Gordon Crooks

Can someone give me some info on these. We are trying to see if the custom came over to the USA in the early years. Gordon Crooks

Thank you Roger; could I perhaps prevail on you to ask you if their were any Baronnets, [like Von Rosenbelt ][Spelling on the name ? or is their a web site to go to. Imight add that you hit on the right Suik's and Swans, My goal is to edge back in time on these Suik's. This is for a chap that is quite excited about the info that you sent. I would ask you what does Suss Glou, Surr Surr, Surr Lond. For now I leave you thinking, Frang ----- Original Message ----- From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] Suik in England > Frank > You don't give a date or occupation. He would probably come in at an > eastern Scottish or English port. > Here are all the SUIKs transcribed in 1881, with birthplace and county of > residence. > SUIK, William Head <1816> Suss Glou > SUIK OR SINK, Benjamin Head <1848> Surr Surr > SUIK OR SINK, Jane Wife <1848> Lond Surr > SUIK, Antonia Bord <1855> Russ Lond > SUIK, Alice Serv <1858> Surr Lond > SUIK OR SINK, Ruth Dau <1876> Lond Surr > SUIK OR SINK, Beeatrix Dau <1877> Lond Surr > SUIK OR SINK, Ada Dau <1880> Surr Surr > > There is a Charles Swan born in Russia in Tynemouth, an East Coast port. > Estonia was part of Russia. > > 1881 Census Place: Tynemouth, Northumberland, England > Source: FHL Film 1342227 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5082 Folio 81 > Page 8 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Mary Kelly SWAN W 42 F Newcastle On Tyne > Rel: Head > Occ: Iron Ship Builder > Elizabeth C. SWAN U 19 F (B S), Russia > Rel: Daur > Mary Agnes SWAN U 17 F (B S), Russia > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Annie SWAN U 13 F (B S), Russia > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Charles S. SWAN U 10 M (B S), Russia > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Vera May SWAN U 8 F Wallsend, Northumberland, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Mable Frances SWAN 6 F Long Benton, Northumberland, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Mealla VARRICLA W 62 F (Russian Subject), Russia > Rel: Servant > Occ: Nurse Domestic Servant > Elizabeth RODGERSON U 20 F Newcastle, Northumberland, England > Rel: Servant > Occ: Cook Domestic Servant > Constance BARTLE U 18 F Lynn, Norfolk, England > Rel: Servant > Occ: Housemaid Domestic Servant > > Best wishes > Roger > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Fiske" <frankf@pchg.net> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:30 PM > Subject: [MLN] Suik in England > > >> Would some one give me a good web site for England in search for SUIK >> name formerly of Russia going back to the area of Liveland, which is now >> named [Estonia I think] Looking for a Charles Swan [Swan could be english >> for SUIK] THANK YOU Frank >> >> > > >

Hi Frank, Need to dig out a Russian forum url for you, the people are helpful one was able to get me information I had been searching for years. Something to keep in mind. Russian, Latvian, Poland and other surrounding countries use a feminine variant spelling, that spelling could be spelled many different ways. I found a Latvia cousin last name variant, daughter total different variant. Makes for a hard look. aggie >Would some one give me a good web site for England in search for SUIK name formerly of Russia going back to the area of Liveland, which is now named [Estonia I think] Looking for a Charles Swan [Swan could be english for SUIK] THANK YOU Frank > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp