Hi Evelyn, From your Google search you will have found that he was born in 1884 & died 6th May 1977, also the name of his wife and her father. You can also find a picture of him on Google if you click on Images instead of Web. I suggest you try press archives for obituaries, e.g.The Scotsman, The Times, The Daily Telegraph, and also musical journals. These may have sufficient personal details to set you on your way. There was also a biography by Michael Turnbull published in 1992 mentioned on Google. Best wishes, Sheena Ireland -----Original Message----- From: K.D, MacCallum [mailto:kemac@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 27 February 2005 16:38 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] Joseph HISLOP, opera singer Hello again Thank you Carol for suggesting Google. I had already tried that prior to writing to the List . I was unable to find the personal information I need - it just confirmed the details I already knew. I am hoping someone may be able to suggest a different research avenue. Evelyn MacCallum ______________________________

Hi Ellie Sorry I may have put you on the wrong track with the last info I sent. I went into the FreeCen census 1841 for Forfar-Angus and found the following:- "Backwynd" Surname First Name Sex Age Occup. Where Born Robert Elizabeth F 38 Loom Weaver Angus Craik Margaret F 12 " Craik Mary F 10 " Craik Joanna F 8 " Craik James M 6 " Regards Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine McNulty" <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] CRAIK lookup

Hi Ellie I had a look in the Vital Records Index for James birth. According to the 1881 Census he was 45 then, so that would give his birth as 1836. Going on that I found John Craik and Agnes Thompson had the following children christened:-Mary 1825 in Kirkcudbright, Janet 1828 in Kirkcudbright, William 1830 in Kirkcudbright, Robert 1832 in Kirkcudbright and James 3rd June 1836 in Kirkcudbright. They might be worth looking into. Regards Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine McNulty" <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] CRAIK lookup

Hi Ellie, I don't think this is the connection you're looking for. Kirkcudbright is on the west coast and the census says he was born in Forfar which is on the east coast. The closest I got was a David Craik born 10 MAY 1835 in Brechin which is in the same county as Forfar, i.e. Angus Would need to look at the Parishes for this period but it is much more likely, regards moira Elaine McNulty wrote: >Thank you Carmel. I had been unable to find out who his parents were and >this might just be the lead I have been looking for. Thank you so much for >your efforts on my behalf. >Regard Ellie > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carmel Jones" <carmelitaj@eircom.net> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:10 AM >Subject: Re: [MLN] CRAIK lookup > > > > >>Hi Ellie >>I had a look in the Vital Records Index for James birth. According to the >>1881 Census he was 45 then, so that would give his birth as 1836. >>Going on that I found John Craik and Agnes Thompson had the following >>children christened:-Mary 1825 in Kirkcudbright, Janet 1828 in >>Kirkcudbright, William 1830 in Kirkcudbright, Robert 1832 in Kirkcudbright >>and James 3rd June 1836 in Kirkcudbright. They might be worth looking >> >> >into. > > >>Regards >>Carmel >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Elaine McNulty" <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> >>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 7:47 PM >>Subject: Re: [MLN] CRAIK lookup >> >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.1 - Release Date: 27/02/05 >> >> >> >> > > > > >

Hello Carmel I apologise for writing Carol instead of Carmel -careless of me. Evelyn MacCallum

Hello again Thank you Carol for suggesting Google. I had already tried that prior to writing to the List . I was unable to find the personal information I need - it just confirmed the details I already knew. I am hoping someone may be able to suggest a different research avenue. Evelyn MacCallum

Hello, I'm looking for anything and everything on Andrew FRASER and Charlotte SUTHERLAND who were married in Canongate in 1800 - at that time Andrew was working as a weaver. Both were born circa 1776 - Charlotte in Dornoch, Sutherland and Andrew in ?? The had 3 sons that I know of - Daniel 1800, Angus 1801 & Donald 1803 all born in Edinburgh. I was wondering if there were any burial indexes for Scotland like that of England. I'd like to find when and where Andrew and Charlotte FRASER were buried/died. I honestly have no idea when or where. It's only a guess, but they died between 1803 and ? I tried to narrow the time down by looking for them on the Freecens for 1841, but couldn't locate them. The only one I found on the 1841 freecens site for Midlothian was for their son Daniel, his wife Elizabeth and their children. Any help that anyone can offer would be more than appreciated. Thanks in advance. Lorraine Sitting here patiently awaiting for the start of our latest snow storm - HURRY UP SUMMER!

Hi Evelyn If you go to Google on the internet and enter Joseph Hislop & click on search you will find quite a lot about him. Regards Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: "K.D, MacCallum" <kemac@tiscali.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: [MLN] Joseph HISLOP, opera singer

Hello My mother used to talk of musical evenings when the family would gather to hear her uncle Joseph HISLOP sing. Apparently he had a beautiful tenor voice. I know he was from Edinburgh, was a choir boy at St. Giles in 1884. Later he trained several notable opera singers.. I have not been able to find out anything personal such as his parents, siblings, wife, children etc. Is anyone able to tell me where to find out more details, please? Thank you Evelyn MacCallum

I wonder if someone would be good enough to look up a James CRAIK living in Leith. He was married in 1863 so I am hopeing that he is at home and I will be able to find out how many other children are there. Sorry I do not have any other information. Regards Ellie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/05

Hi Ellie On the I.G.I. there is a James Craik married to Mary Munro in Leith on 12th June 1863. In the 1881 Census I found the following:- 32 Arthur St., Edinburgh St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh James Craik Type Finisher, 45yrs Born in Forfar, Scotland Mary " Wife, 39yrs. " Evanton Elizabeth " Daugh. 14yrs " Edinburgh Mary " " 8yrs. " " James " Son 7yrs. " " William " " 4yrs " " Susanna " Daugh. 6mths. " " Hope there is some connection Good Luck Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine McNulty" <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: [MLN] CRAIK lookup > >

Thanks so much, Hugh. I appreciate all the information that I can get. gretchen Michigan, USA

Hi Carolyn Found a George MCKIE on 1881 census Born Down Ireland Seems to be living at home of Margaret FITZSIMMONS listed as a gardner There is also a James MCCREADIE listed who I believe to be my Uncle Elizabeth in Canada

Gretchen, If you list the names you are looking for, there may be listers with details of the places you mention. Regards, Gil. HALL.

Hello Ray Re the second name McKie - it was a common practice to include the surname of an ancestor as a second name in the 1800's. This can be immediate or some name they liked from their ancestors. My grandfather was James Wotton Hislop and I eventually discovered that the Wotton came from my Gt x 4 grandmother's line. Another Gt x 2 grandfather George Robson Kirkley had the Robson from his Gt Gt grandmother. It does offer a clue to former generations and can be very useful when trolling through the IGL site to give an indication of which church records to search. This practise continued well into the 20th Century - my grandmother used it for my father. Good hunting Evelyn

If you go to the following web page you will find the monumental inscriptions in St Michaels Churchyard, Inveresk, up till 1857. This is the parish church of Inveresk (Musselburgh) and is the only churchyard for the immediate area. http://www.ancestor.abel.co.uk/inv/mi1857.html The following is the Inveresk web site of Dr John Robertson who has done a tremendous amount of work on some of the Midlothian parishes. There are links to Newton and several other parishes here. http://www.ancestor.abel.co.uk/Inveresk.html Hope this helps Tom -----Original Message----- From: GBZMOM@aol.com [mailto:GBZMOM@aol.com] Sent: 25 February 2005 04:33 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Cemeteries Hi Listers, Now that I have been able to find some birth and marriage records for family members, I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to point me in the direction of cemetery information for the 1800's (other than Scotland's people, which I am still not able to use) for Dalkeith, Newton, and /or Inveresk with Musselburgh. Where would I be able to find a list of people buried in these areas? Are there many cemeteries?? As you can tell, I am not from Scotland, have never been there, and am really not sure if these areas are close enough that families might have burial plots no matter where they lived. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, gretchen Michigan, USA ______________________________

Hi Elizabeth I have had that situation happen where for example my ggrandmother Mary Ann McKIE unmarried at the time had an illigitimate son and called him George GREEN McKIE suggesting the unknown father was called GREEN. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Pearse" <r.e.pearse@sympatico.ca> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: [MLN] McKIE > Hi Carolyn > Re my grandmother Jane McCREADIE (McGOWAN) I neglected to mention that > McKIE was her second name > Elizabeth in Canada > >

Hi Carolyn Re my grandmother Jane McCREADIE (McGOWAN) I neglected to mention that McKIE was her second name Elizabeth in Canada

Thanks for the help but I know of no siblings or middle names unfortunatly. Wouldn't it be lovely if we had census info for the 1700's.[lol] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] Plea for help re. McKIE > Hello Carolyn, > English records are a pain aren't they? In the end the > only way I solved a similar problem (though with a more rarer name) was > with > a sibling of my mystery man. > Someone knew of a sister called Jessie and got close to her married name. > A > short trawl through Scottish weddings found her in Scotland with a middle > name and I was home and dry. > Is there anyone who could suggest siblings for John or any evidence of > family names used as middle names which could lead you anywhere? An eldest > daughter say Christina Musgrove McKie would open opportunities of further > exploration as an example. > Good luck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn Wright" <wright.14@ntlworld.com> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:50 PM > Subject: [MLN] Plea for help re. McKIE > > >> Hi >> >> I appear to be at a dead end and my plea is for any help with any other > avenue I can go down. >> >> My ggggrandfather John Roger MCKIE, MACKIE or MCKEE (various spelling >> used > down the ages) was born in Scotland according to census info in > Leeds/England in 1800. His occupation was a Hawker. >> >> He married Mary Ann Stephenson in Leeds in 1827. I don't know when he > moved to England or if his parents were with him. Family rumour has it the > family originally came from Edinburgh. >> >> I have had a search done at the GRO Scotland but nothing was found. I >> know > births were not always registered around this time but I am desperate to > try > and find another anenue to search. I have his marriage certificate but at > that time no father was listed. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Carolyn/Lincoln >> >> > > >

Hi Carolyn My grandmother JANE McCREADIE (McGOWAN) has the nameMcKIE I have been trying to come up with a reason Jane was born to Alexander & Agnes McGOWAN (OXTABLE) 29 Oct 1856 Glasserton, Wigtownahire Elizabeth in Canada