Gil & Sonia Murray wrote: > > > Thanks, Alistair! So the occupier was the lessor, as opposed to a > sub-lessor or tenant? Often, yes. But the Occupier may also be the Tenant or even the Proprietor. Or relatives or friends of those two. I have at times seen identical names in the 2nd and 3rd column. I'd never heard of this term in the U.S. No surprise! I installed a programme into my PC at the weekend and the CONFIG preferences wanted me to choose either U.S. ENGLISH or INTERNATIONAL ENGLISH. Where did we go wrong? I was taught ENGLISH ENGLISH. Cheers, ALISTAIR

I guess this is the time of year to reminisce, must be all this snow that is falling at present and slowing down the greening of the GC. Montreal, lived there for one year while cross training and language training before jumping over the pond.. Great city, one of the few where one goes out at 11.00 PM for the evening, commencing with a late supper on Bishop Street or in that area, then club hopping (if you are inclined) always taking the Metro. A city with wonderful places to eat, so many cultures, places to visit. A few miles up the Autoroute to great skiing. Do it all again if the chance came along. Bob Cdn. =================================== <SNIP> >I love the underground city. Night in Montreal is not >scary. Not once did my friend and I feel uncomfortable. >---------------------- >A good safe place to be after dark is the underground city in Montreal, >Canada. Its safe, trendy, and fun! >------------------- >Sounds like New Orleans! Used to be a fun place to visit but now... The >French Quarter is still fun, but stay in the centre/center and be in your >hotel before dark. > >

Aggie: Did you visit the gardens down by the harbor? Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: <AAgg435@netscape.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >I love the underground city. Night in Montreal is not > scary. Not once did my friend and I feel uncomfortable. > > aggie > >>A good safe place to be after dark is the underground city in Montreal, >>Canada. Its safe, trendy, and fun! >> >> Gordon >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> >>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:36 AM >>Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >> >> >>> Sounds like New Orleans! Used to be a fun place to visit but now... The >>> French Quarter is still fun, but stay in the centre/center and be in >>> your >>> hotel before dark. Years ago, our vet was murdered there, robbers >>> attacked >>> his wife and he was shot when he tried to intervene. There are places >>> in >>> our town, Biloxi, MS, where it's not good to be in after dark. I grew up >>> in >>> the 1950's in Kent, at Margate, where the only murder this century, in >>> the >>> 1930's, was still talked about. Times have changed! >>> >>> Happy hunting, >>> Sonia >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Liz Parkinson [mailto:parkinsonliz@hotmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:14 AM >>> To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> >>> I dont drive through that part of Manchester - the VERY occassions I >>> have >>> got lost and found myself there, all the windows and doors and locked on >>> the >>> car and get out as soon as possible >>> >>> Liz >>> >>>>From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>>>Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>>To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>>Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:55:42 -0400 >>>> >>>>Sounds like Baltimore, Maryland, they have nightly drive bye and also >>>>walk bye shootings. They only have about 65,000 drug addicts(10% of >>>>population) and only 52% of the non white males have prison records. >>>>Needless to say I live in the County and seldom visit that esteemed >>>>city. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>>>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:54 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>> >>>> >>>>>and I thought Moss Side was bad....<GRIN> >>>>> >>>>>Mike >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Parkinson" >>>>><parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> >>>>>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:14 PM >>>>>Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Mike, nowadays you wouldnt want to visit Hulme, and if you did, you >>>>>>sure wouldnt recognise it - all 60s built flats and drugs and drive >>>>>>by >>>>>shooting - >>>>>>al ot of good positive stuff going on there as well, but it is a bad >>>>>>area now >>>>>> >>>>>>Liz >>>>>> >>>>>> >From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>>>>> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>> >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>> >Subject: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>>> >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:41 -0500 >>>>>> > >>>>>> >I lived with my grandmother, mom and dad and younger brother for a >>>>>>short >>>>>> >time during the war in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire England. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >My gran lived in a one up and one down terraced house dating from >>>>>>around >>>>>> >1850. It had a small scullery with a door leading to a very small >>>>>> >back >>>>>yard >>>>>> >which housed a toilet in a small building in the back yard. There >>>>>> >was >>>>>>no >>>>>> >cellar. The ground floor flooring was sand stone paving stones. She >>>>>> >had >>>>>one >>>>>> >cold water tap and a two ring gas burner with a grill. The oven was >>>>>>part >>>>>of >>>>>> >her fireplace. She made wonderful Sunday dinners, baked excellent >>>>>> >pies although fruit and sugar were scarce. The lighting was one gas >>>>>> >lamp in >>>>>the >>>>>> >downstairs room. This was one of many terraced homes in the south >>>>>> >part of Manchester. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >A lot of them were infested with large red flat bed bugs. I was >>>>>> >told many years later this was due to them using horse hair to bond >>>>>> >the plaster >>>>>>to >>>>>> >the >>>>>> >wood lathes on the walls and ceilings. But the war of the bugs is >>>>>> >another story :)) >>>>>> > >>>>>> >Thanks for the memories......... :)) >>>>>> > >>>>>> >Mike Morris >>>>>> >Toronto Canada >>>>>> >----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>>>>> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:23 PM >>>>>> >Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > Roger: No wonder its called a close, thats 8 people in two rooms. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Gordon >>>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> > > From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>>>>> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:54 PM >>>>>> > > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > Hi Mike, >>>>>> > > > Here is what I read before I had the advantage of your email! >>>>>>There >>>>>> >was >>>>>> >an >>>>>> > > > S on ATKIN >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > Edinburgh, Canongate >>>>>> > > > 685/3/31 page 5 >>>>>> > > > Old Church except North(?) Side from 242 - 254, inclusive. > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>Embracing >>>>>> > > > Pirrie's Close and Gibb's Close. >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >>>>>> > > > 4 Pirrie's Close - 2 rooms with one window or more. >>>>>> > > > John ATKINS Head, M, 30.. ..Gold Beater, born England Emma >>>>>> > > > ATKINS, wife, M, 29...........born England Matilda ATKINS, >>>>>> > > > daur, 4, scholar... born England William ATKINS, son, 2,.... >>>>>> > > > born England Eugenie (?) ATKINS daur, 1mo,.... born Edinburgh >>>>>> > > > John BRANNON, Boarder, M 29, Gold Beater ...born Edinburgh >>>>>> > > > Maud(?) BRANNON, Boarder, M, 25, Boarder.. born Manchester >>>>>> > > > Emma BRANNON Boarder, 11months..... born Edinburgh. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > (?) means I stuggled with the word and it is open to > > > >>>>>>interpretation. >>>>>2 >>>>>> >of >>>>>> > > > us looked at Eugenie. >>>>>> > > > So we should have read Sarah! >>>>>> > > > I wrote no 4. Perhaps it was 6. There were several households >>>>>> > > > at >>>>>each >>>>>> > > > number. >>>>>> > > > I didn't see Thomas. I looked at the rest of Pirrie's Close >>>>>> > > > and >>>>>didn't >>>>>> > > > notice any other ATKINs. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > Hope this helps but I could look again another time if you >>>>>> > > > want me >>>>>to >>>>>> > > > check or try to send you a copy. The machines with printers >>>>>> > > > were >>>>>busy. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > Best Wishes, >>>>>> > > > Jane >>>>>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> > > > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>>>>> > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:53 PM >>>>>> > > > Subject: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >> Hi Jane, >>>>>> > > >> Thank you for your generous offer. I really would appreciate >>>>>> > > >> it >>>>>>if >>>>>> >you >>>>>> > > >> can >>>>>> > > >> spare the time to look this up. >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >> The family lived at #6 Pirrie's Close in March of 1871. >>>>>> > > >> District Cannongate, Burgh of Edinburgh, Scotland. >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >> John Atkin Trade was a Goldbeater b1841 Salford Lancashire >>>>>> > > >> Wife Emma b1842 Salford Son Thomas b1862 England Dau Matilda >>>>>> > > >> B1867 Salford Son William b1869 Salford Dau Sarah Ann born 21 >>>>>> > > >> March 1871 at above listed address in >>>>>Scotland. >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >> Please could you also see if there are any other ATKIN >>>>>> > > >> families >>>>>> >living >>>>>> >in >>>>>> > > >> Pirrie's Close. I am curious to see if John ATKIN'S parents >>>>>> > > >> John >>>>>and >>>>>> >Mary >>>>>> > > >> ATKIN might be near by or some of his siblings. >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >> Best wishes >>>>>> > > >> Mike Morris >>>>>> > > >> Toronto Canada >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> > > >> From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>>>>> > > >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:41 AM >>>>>> > > >> Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >>> Hi Mike, >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> If no previous offers, I will happily look up the 1871 >>>>>> > > >>> Pirrie's >>>>>> >Close, >>>>>> > > >>> in >>>>>> > > >> my >>>>>> > > >>> lunch hour. >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> Best Wishes, >>>>>> > > >>> Jane <snip> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >> -- >>>>>> > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>>> > > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>>> > > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: >>>>>>3/18/05 >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > -- >>>>>> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>>> > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: >>>>>> > > 3/18/05 >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >-- >>>>>> >No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>>> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>>> >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at > http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. 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Mike: The only place worth visiting is the Mid-Atlantic states Pa., Md. & Delaware where all the Scots and the Germans immigrated to. We are vastly assimilated as the the scots men loved those blonde german girls and had "litters" with them. If you are so engrossed on Indian trails we have one called the Apalachin Trail, you cane walk from Maine to Florida on it, left your scarf home it gets windy on the tops of the mountains. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: [MLN] Trip through New England > The nicest route I have travelled in the northern USA was through the New > England area from Plattsburgh to the east coast and Portland it was route > #302. > > Another from above Boston travelling east was 'The Mohawk Trail' (I think > this is the correct Indian name for this route). > > As for roller blades, my long white silk scarf would keep tripping me up. > <grin> > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: [MLN] The Close's of Quebec > > >> Actually your mode of transportation is lacking, you could go on roller >> blades and still use your goggles!! >> >> Gordon >> P S Actually you know you could take the old roads and even enjoy the > ride. >> I recently went to a LDS conference for genealogy in Pennsylvania and for >> most of the way I was on what is called the old Road to the west, there > are >> lots of old houses, barns, and even old log cabins, its a picturesque > drive.<snip> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 > > >

Margate and Broadstairs and the like are probably still fairly safe nowadays, not been for a while but used to live in Chatham and went down to the coast sometimes Liz >From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:36:53 -0600 > >Sounds like New Orleans! Used to be a fun place to visit but now... The >French Quarter is still fun, but stay in the centre/center and be in your >hotel before dark. Years ago, our vet was murdered there, robbers attacked >his wife and he was shot when he tried to intervene. There are places in >our town, Biloxi, MS, where it's not good to be in after dark. I grew up in >the 1950's in Kent, at Margate, where the only murder this century, in the >1930's, was still talked about. Times have changed! > >Happy hunting, >Sonia > >-----Original Message----- >From: Liz Parkinson [mailto:parkinsonliz@hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:14 AM >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > >I dont drive through that part of Manchester - the VERY occassions I have >got lost and found myself there, all the windows and doors and locked on >the >car and get out as soon as possible > >Liz > > >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:55:42 -0400 > > > >Sounds like Baltimore, Maryland, they have nightly drive bye and also > >walk bye shootings. They only have about 65,000 drug addicts(10% of > >population) and only 52% of the non white males have prison records. > >Needless to say I live in the County and seldom visit that esteemed city. > > > > Gordon > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> > >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:54 PM > >Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > > >>and I thought Moss Side was bad....<GRIN> > >> > >>Mike > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Parkinson" > >><parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> > >>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:14 PM > >>Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > >> > >> > >>>Mike, nowadays you wouldnt want to visit Hulme, and if you did, you > >>>sure wouldnt recognise it - all 60s built flats and drugs and drive > >>>by > >>shooting - > >>>al ot of good positive stuff going on there as well, but it is a bad > >>>area now > >>> > >>>Liz > >>> > >>> >From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> > >>> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > >>> >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > >>> >Subject: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > >>> >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:41 -0500 > >>> > > >>> >I lived with my grandmother, mom and dad and younger brother for a > >>>short > >>> >time during the war in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire England. > >>> > > >>> >My gran lived in a one up and one down terraced house dating from > >>>around > >>> >1850. It had a small scullery with a door leading to a very small > >>> >back > >>yard > >>> >which housed a toilet in a small building in the back yard. There > >>> >was > >>>no > >>> >cellar. The ground floor flooring was sand stone paving stones. She > >>> >had > >>one > >>> >cold water tap and a two ring gas burner with a grill. The oven was > >>>part > >>of > >>> >her fireplace. She made wonderful Sunday dinners, baked excellent > >>> >pies although fruit and sugar were scarce. The lighting was one gas > >>> >lamp in > >>the > >>> >downstairs room. This was one of many terraced homes in the south > >>> >part of Manchester. > >>> > > >>> >A lot of them were infested with large red flat bed bugs. I was > >>> >told many years later this was due to them using horse hair to bond > >>> >the plaster > >>>to > >>> >the > >>> >wood lathes on the walls and ceilings. But the war of the bugs is > >>> >another story :)) > >>> > > >>> >Thanks for the memories......... :)) > >>> > > >>> >Mike Morris > >>> >Toronto Canada > >>> >----- Original Message ----- > >>> >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > >>> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:23 PM > >>> >Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Roger: No wonder its called a close, thats 8 people in two rooms. > >>> > > > >>> > > Gordon > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > > From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> > >>> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:54 PM > >>> > > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Hi Mike, > >>> > > > Here is what I read before I had the advantage of your email! > >>>There > >>> >was > >>> >an > >>> > > > S on ATKIN > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > > > Edinburgh, Canongate > >>> > > > 685/3/31 page 5 > >>> > > > Old Church except North(?) Side from 242 - 254, inclusive. > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Embracing > >>> > > > Pirrie's Close and Gibb's Close. > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > >>> > > > 4 Pirrie's Close - 2 rooms with one window or more. > >>> > > > John ATKINS Head, M, 30.. ..Gold Beater, born England Emma > >>> > > > ATKINS, wife, M, 29...........born England Matilda ATKINS, > >>> > > > daur, 4, scholar... born England William ATKINS, son, 2,.... > >>> > > > born England Eugenie (?) ATKINS daur, 1mo,.... born Edinburgh > >>> > > > John BRANNON, Boarder, M 29, Gold Beater ...born Edinburgh > >>> > > > Maud(?) BRANNON, Boarder, M, 25, Boarder.. born Manchester > >>> > > > Emma BRANNON Boarder, 11months..... born Edinburgh. > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > > > (?) means I stuggled with the word and it is open to > > > > >>>interpretation. > >>2 > >>> >of > >>> > > > us looked at Eugenie. > >>> > > > So we should have read Sarah! > >>> > > > I wrote no 4. Perhaps it was 6. There were several households > >>> > > > at > >>each > >>> > > > number. > >>> > > > I didn't see Thomas. I looked at the rest of Pirrie's Close > >>> > > > and > >>didn't > >>> > > > notice any other ATKINs. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Hope this helps but I could look again another time if you > >>> > > > want me > >>to > >>> > > > check or try to send you a copy. The machines with printers > >>> > > > were > >>busy. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Best Wishes, > >>> > > > Jane > >>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > > > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> > >>> > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:53 PM > >>> > > > Subject: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >> Hi Jane, > >>> > > >> Thank you for your generous offer. I really would appreciate > >>> > > >> it > >>>if > >>> >you > >>> > > >> can > >>> > > >> spare the time to look this up. > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> The family lived at #6 Pirrie's Close in March of 1871. > >>> > > >> District Cannongate, Burgh of Edinburgh, Scotland. > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> John Atkin Trade was a Goldbeater b1841 Salford Lancashire > >>> > > >> Wife Emma b1842 Salford Son Thomas b1862 England Dau Matilda > >>> > > >> B1867 Salford Son William b1869 Salford Dau Sarah Ann born 21 > >>> > > >> March 1871 at above listed address in > >>Scotland. > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> Please could you also see if there are any other ATKIN > >>> > > >> families > >>> >living > >>> >in > >>> > > >> Pirrie's Close. I am curious to see if John ATKIN'S parents > >>> > > >> John > >>and > >>> >Mary > >>> > > >> ATKIN might be near by or some of his siblings. > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> Best wishes > >>> > > >> Mike Morris > >>> > > >> Toronto Canada > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > > >> From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> > >>> > > >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:41 AM > >>> > > >> Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >>> Hi Mike, > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> If no previous offers, I will happily look up the 1871 > >>> > > >>> Pirrie's > >>> >Close, > >>> > > >>> in > >>> > > >> my > >>> > > >>> lunch hour. > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> Best Wishes, > >>> > > >>> Jane <snip> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> -- > >>> > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >>> > > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>> > > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: > >>>3/18/05 > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > -- > >>> > > No virus found in this incoming message. > >>> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>> > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: > >>> > > 3/18/05 > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >-- > >>> >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >>> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>> >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>No virus found in this incoming message. > >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>No virus found in this outgoing message. > >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >

List Members, Noted a number of questions regarding this topic on the List (?) so here are the references to obtain answers. Date Calculator download (Great for calculation of old dates back to 1752) http://users.belgacom.net/bjm/datecalc/ Dates of UK Census this includes Scotland and Ireland (Pre Republic) UK Census dates includes Scotland and Ireland The censuses for 1901 and 1911 Ireland are available via the FHC on film. Note only the 1901 and 1911 Irish Censuses are intact others were destroyed over the years or in the great genealogical tragedy of the 1922 (or about) ScotlandPeople.web site have a number of censuses (Scotland) available at their site http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ DATES of UK Census 1841 Sun/Mon. 6/7th June 1841 1851 Sun/Mon. 30/31st March 1851 1861 Sun/Mon. 7/8th April 1861 1871 Sun/Mon. 2/3rd April 1871 1881 Sun/Mon. 3/4th April 1881\ 1891 Sun/Mon. 5/6th April 1891 1901 Sun/Mon. 31st March / 1st April 1901 1911* Sun/Mon. 2/3rd April 1911 *(Not available before 1st Jan 2011 ---------------------------------------- British Genealogy Society - Census information: http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/census/#menu If you Google, "UK census dates" you will obtain over 3 million hits Bob Cdn.

I love the underground city. Night in Montreal is not scary. Not once did my friend and I feel uncomfortable. aggie >A good safe place to be after dark is the underground city in Montreal, >Canada. Its safe, trendy, and fun! > > Gordon >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:36 AM >Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > >> Sounds like New Orleans! Used to be a fun place to visit but now... The >> French Quarter is still fun, but stay in the centre/center and be in your >> hotel before dark. Years ago, our vet was murdered there, robbers >> attacked >> his wife and he was shot when he tried to intervene. There are places in >> our town, Biloxi, MS, where it's not good to be in after dark. I grew up >> in >> the 1950's in Kent, at Margate, where the only murder this century, in the >> 1930's, was still talked about. Times have changed! >> >> Happy hunting, >> Sonia >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Liz Parkinson [mailto:parkinsonliz@hotmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:14 AM >> To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >> >> I dont drive through that part of Manchester - the VERY occassions I have >> got lost and found myself there, all the windows and doors and locked on >> the >> car and get out as soon as possible >> >> Liz >> >>>From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>>Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:55:42 -0400 >>> >>>Sounds like Baltimore, Maryland, they have nightly drive bye and also >>>walk bye shootings. They only have about 65,000 drug addicts(10% of >>>population) and only 52% of the non white males have prison records. >>>Needless to say I live in the County and seldom visit that esteemed city. >>> >>> Gordon >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:54 PM >>>Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> >>> >>>>and I thought Moss Side was bad....<GRIN> >>>> >>>>Mike >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Parkinson" >>>><parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> >>>>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:14 PM >>>>Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>> >>>> >>>>>Mike, nowadays you wouldnt want to visit Hulme, and if you did, you >>>>>sure wouldnt recognise it - all 60s built flats and drugs and drive >>>>>by >>>>shooting - >>>>>al ot of good positive stuff going on there as well, but it is a bad >>>>>area now >>>>> >>>>>Liz >>>>> >>>>> >From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>>>> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>>> >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>>> >Subject: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>> >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:41 -0500 >>>>> > >>>>> >I lived with my grandmother, mom and dad and younger brother for a >>>>>short >>>>> >time during the war in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire England. >>>>> > >>>>> >My gran lived in a one up and one down terraced house dating from >>>>>around >>>>> >1850. It had a small scullery with a door leading to a very small >>>>> >back >>>>yard >>>>> >which housed a toilet in a small building in the back yard. There >>>>> >was >>>>>no >>>>> >cellar. The ground floor flooring was sand stone paving stones. She >>>>> >had >>>>one >>>>> >cold water tap and a two ring gas burner with a grill. The oven was >>>>>part >>>>of >>>>> >her fireplace. She made wonderful Sunday dinners, baked excellent >>>>> >pies although fruit and sugar were scarce. The lighting was one gas >>>>> >lamp in >>>>the >>>>> >downstairs room. This was one of many terraced homes in the south >>>>> >part of Manchester. >>>>> > >>>>> >A lot of them were infested with large red flat bed bugs. I was >>>>> >told many years later this was due to them using horse hair to bond >>>>> >the plaster >>>>>to >>>>> >the >>>>> >wood lathes on the walls and ceilings. But the war of the bugs is >>>>> >another story :)) >>>>> > >>>>> >Thanks for the memories......... :)) >>>>> > >>>>> >Mike Morris >>>>> >Toronto Canada >>>>> >----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>>>> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:23 PM >>>>> >Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > Roger: No wonder its called a close, thats 8 people in two rooms. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Gordon >>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> > > From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>>>> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:54 PM >>>>> > > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > Hi Mike, >>>>> > > > Here is what I read before I had the advantage of your email! >>>>>There >>>>> >was >>>>> >an >>>>> > > > S on ATKIN >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > > > Edinburgh, Canongate >>>>> > > > 685/3/31 page 5 >>>>> > > > Old Church except North(?) Side from 242 - 254, inclusive. > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>Embracing >>>>> > > > Pirrie's Close and Gibb's Close. >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >>>>> > > > 4 Pirrie's Close - 2 rooms with one window or more. >>>>> > > > John ATKINS Head, M, 30.. ..Gold Beater, born England Emma >>>>> > > > ATKINS, wife, M, 29...........born England Matilda ATKINS, >>>>> > > > daur, 4, scholar... born England William ATKINS, son, 2,.... >>>>> > > > born England Eugenie (?) ATKINS daur, 1mo,.... born Edinburgh >>>>> > > > John BRANNON, Boarder, M 29, Gold Beater ...born Edinburgh >>>>> > > > Maud(?) BRANNON, Boarder, M, 25, Boarder.. born Manchester >>>>> > > > Emma BRANNON Boarder, 11months..... born Edinburgh. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > > > (?) means I stuggled with the word and it is open to > > > >>>>>interpretation. >>>>2 >>>>> >of >>>>> > > > us looked at Eugenie. >>>>> > > > So we should have read Sarah! >>>>> > > > I wrote no 4. Perhaps it was 6. There were several households >>>>> > > > at >>>>each >>>>> > > > number. >>>>> > > > I didn't see Thomas. I looked at the rest of Pirrie's Close >>>>> > > > and >>>>didn't >>>>> > > > notice any other ATKINs. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Hope this helps but I could look again another time if you >>>>> > > > want me >>>>to >>>>> > > > check or try to send you a copy. The machines with printers >>>>> > > > were >>>>busy. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Best Wishes, >>>>> > > > Jane >>>>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> > > > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>>>> > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:53 PM >>>>> > > > Subject: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >> Hi Jane, >>>>> > > >> Thank you for your generous offer. I really would appreciate >>>>> > > >> it >>>>>if >>>>> >you >>>>> > > >> can >>>>> > > >> spare the time to look this up. >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> The family lived at #6 Pirrie's Close in March of 1871. >>>>> > > >> District Cannongate, Burgh of Edinburgh, Scotland. >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> John Atkin Trade was a Goldbeater b1841 Salford Lancashire >>>>> > > >> Wife Emma b1842 Salford Son Thomas b1862 England Dau Matilda >>>>> > > >> B1867 Salford Son William b1869 Salford Dau Sarah Ann born 21 >>>>> > > >> March 1871 at above listed address in >>>>Scotland. >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> Please could you also see if there are any other ATKIN >>>>> > > >> families >>>>> >living >>>>> >in >>>>> > > >> Pirrie's Close. I am curious to see if John ATKIN'S parents >>>>> > > >> John >>>>and >>>>> >Mary >>>>> > > >> ATKIN might be near by or some of his siblings. >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> Best wishes >>>>> > > >> Mike Morris >>>>> > > >> Toronto Canada >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> > > >> From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>>>> > > >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:41 AM >>>>> > > >> Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >>> Hi Mike, >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> If no previous offers, I will happily look up the 1871 >>>>> > > >>> Pirrie's >>>>> >Close, >>>>> > > >>> in >>>>> > > >> my >>>>> > > >>> lunch hour. >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> Best Wishes, >>>>> > > >>> Jane <snip> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> -- >>>>> > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>> > > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>> > > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: >>>>>3/18/05 >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > -- >>>>> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>> > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: >>>>> > > 3/18/05 >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >-- >>>>> >No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>> >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. 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Have update the Ireland "Norton" marriage index file at my site. The file covers *all* the Norton's in Ireland from 1852 - 1899. Later dates will be added when time permits. If you have any spouse names to match those in the file please pass them on and I will insert them. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ehiflyte/> Bob Cdn.

The nicest route I have travelled in the northern USA was through the New England area from Plattsburgh to the east coast and Portland it was route #302. Another from above Boston travelling east was 'The Mohawk Trail' (I think this is the correct Indian name for this route). As for roller blades, my long white silk scarf would keep tripping me up. <grin> Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] The Close's of Quebec > Actually your mode of transportation is lacking, you could go on roller > blades and still use your goggles!! > > Gordon > P S Actually you know you could take the old roads and even enjoy the ride. > I recently went to a LDS conference for genealogy in Pennsylvania and for > most of the way I was on what is called the old Road to the west, there are > lots of old houses, barns, and even old log cabins, its a picturesque drive.<snip> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05

A good safe place to be after dark is the underground city in Montreal, Canada. Its safe, trendy, and fun! Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > Sounds like New Orleans! Used to be a fun place to visit but now... The > French Quarter is still fun, but stay in the centre/center and be in your > hotel before dark. Years ago, our vet was murdered there, robbers > attacked > his wife and he was shot when he tried to intervene. There are places in > our town, Biloxi, MS, where it's not good to be in after dark. I grew up > in > the 1950's in Kent, at Margate, where the only murder this century, in the > 1930's, was still talked about. Times have changed! > > Happy hunting, > Sonia > > -----Original Message----- > From: Liz Parkinson [mailto:parkinsonliz@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:14 AM > To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > I dont drive through that part of Manchester - the VERY occassions I have > got lost and found myself there, all the windows and doors and locked on > the > car and get out as soon as possible > > Liz > >>From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:55:42 -0400 >> >>Sounds like Baltimore, Maryland, they have nightly drive bye and also >>walk bye shootings. They only have about 65,000 drug addicts(10% of >>population) and only 52% of the non white males have prison records. >>Needless to say I live in the County and seldom visit that esteemed city. >> >> Gordon >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:54 PM >>Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >> >> >>>and I thought Moss Side was bad....<GRIN> >>> >>>Mike >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Parkinson" >>><parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> >>>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:14 PM >>>Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> >>> >>>>Mike, nowadays you wouldnt want to visit Hulme, and if you did, you >>>>sure wouldnt recognise it - all 60s built flats and drugs and drive >>>>by >>>shooting - >>>>al ot of good positive stuff going on there as well, but it is a bad >>>>area now >>>> >>>>Liz >>>> >>>> >From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>>> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>> >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>> >Subject: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>> >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:41 -0500 >>>> > >>>> >I lived with my grandmother, mom and dad and younger brother for a >>>>short >>>> >time during the war in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire England. >>>> > >>>> >My gran lived in a one up and one down terraced house dating from >>>>around >>>> >1850. It had a small scullery with a door leading to a very small >>>> >back >>>yard >>>> >which housed a toilet in a small building in the back yard. There >>>> >was >>>>no >>>> >cellar. The ground floor flooring was sand stone paving stones. She >>>> >had >>>one >>>> >cold water tap and a two ring gas burner with a grill. The oven was >>>>part >>>of >>>> >her fireplace. She made wonderful Sunday dinners, baked excellent >>>> >pies although fruit and sugar were scarce. The lighting was one gas >>>> >lamp in >>>the >>>> >downstairs room. This was one of many terraced homes in the south >>>> >part of Manchester. >>>> > >>>> >A lot of them were infested with large red flat bed bugs. I was >>>> >told many years later this was due to them using horse hair to bond >>>> >the plaster >>>>to >>>> >the >>>> >wood lathes on the walls and ceilings. But the war of the bugs is >>>> >another story :)) >>>> > >>>> >Thanks for the memories......... :)) >>>> > >>>> >Mike Morris >>>> >Toronto Canada >>>> >----- Original Message ----- >>>> >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>>> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:23 PM >>>> >Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > Roger: No wonder its called a close, thats 8 people in two rooms. >>>> > > >>>> > > Gordon >>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > > From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>>> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:54 PM >>>> > > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > Hi Mike, >>>> > > > Here is what I read before I had the advantage of your email! >>>>There >>>> >was >>>> >an >>>> > > > S on ATKIN >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > > > Edinburgh, Canongate >>>> > > > 685/3/31 page 5 >>>> > > > Old Church except North(?) Side from 242 - 254, inclusive. > > >>>> > > > > >>>>Embracing >>>> > > > Pirrie's Close and Gibb's Close. >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >>>> > > > 4 Pirrie's Close - 2 rooms with one window or more. >>>> > > > John ATKINS Head, M, 30.. ..Gold Beater, born England Emma >>>> > > > ATKINS, wife, M, 29...........born England Matilda ATKINS, >>>> > > > daur, 4, scholar... born England William ATKINS, son, 2,.... >>>> > > > born England Eugenie (?) ATKINS daur, 1mo,.... born Edinburgh >>>> > > > John BRANNON, Boarder, M 29, Gold Beater ...born Edinburgh >>>> > > > Maud(?) BRANNON, Boarder, M, 25, Boarder.. born Manchester >>>> > > > Emma BRANNON Boarder, 11months..... born Edinburgh. >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > > > (?) means I stuggled with the word and it is open to > > > >>>>interpretation. >>>2 >>>> >of >>>> > > > us looked at Eugenie. >>>> > > > So we should have read Sarah! >>>> > > > I wrote no 4. Perhaps it was 6. There were several households >>>> > > > at >>>each >>>> > > > number. >>>> > > > I didn't see Thomas. I looked at the rest of Pirrie's Close >>>> > > > and >>>didn't >>>> > > > notice any other ATKINs. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Hope this helps but I could look again another time if you >>>> > > > want me >>>to >>>> > > > check or try to send you a copy. The machines with printers >>>> > > > were >>>busy. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Best Wishes, >>>> > > > Jane >>>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > > > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>>> > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:53 PM >>>> > > > Subject: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >> Hi Jane, >>>> > > >> Thank you for your generous offer. I really would appreciate >>>> > > >> it >>>>if >>>> >you >>>> > > >> can >>>> > > >> spare the time to look this up. >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> The family lived at #6 Pirrie's Close in March of 1871. >>>> > > >> District Cannongate, Burgh of Edinburgh, Scotland. >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> John Atkin Trade was a Goldbeater b1841 Salford Lancashire >>>> > > >> Wife Emma b1842 Salford Son Thomas b1862 England Dau Matilda >>>> > > >> B1867 Salford Son William b1869 Salford Dau Sarah Ann born 21 >>>> > > >> March 1871 at above listed address in >>>Scotland. >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> Please could you also see if there are any other ATKIN >>>> > > >> families >>>> >living >>>> >in >>>> > > >> Pirrie's Close. I am curious to see if John ATKIN'S parents >>>> > > >> John >>>and >>>> >Mary >>>> > > >> ATKIN might be near by or some of his siblings. >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> Best wishes >>>> > > >> Mike Morris >>>> > > >> Toronto Canada >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > > >> From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>>> > > >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:41 AM >>>> > > >> Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >>> Hi Mike, >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> If no previous offers, I will happily look up the 1871 >>>> > > >>> Pirrie's >>>> >Close, >>>> > > >>> in >>>> > > >> my >>>> > > >>> lunch hour. >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> Best Wishes, >>>> > > >>> Jane <snip> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> -- >>>> > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> > > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>> > > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: >>>>3/18/05 >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > -- >>>> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>> > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: >>>> > > 3/18/05 >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >-- >>>> >No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>> >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > >

Actually your mode of transportation is lacking, you could go on roller blades and still use your goggles!! Gordon P S Actually you know you could take the old roads and even enjoy the ride. I recently went to a LDS conference for genealogy in Pennsylvania and for most of the way I was on what is called the old Road to the west, there are lots of old houses, barns, and even old log cabins, its a picturesque drive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [MLN] The Close's of Quebec > Hi Bob, > It takes me 6 hours or more just to drive to Montreal. The pedal car is > hard on the legs. :)) > > I can get to Boston from Toronto in 10 hours and that's allowing for stops > so I can clean the flies off my goggles. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hiflyte" <hiflyte@telus.net> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [MLN] The Close's of Quebec > > >> >> Actually it is 800KM or 500 miles, from Toronto to Quebec, I guess this >> is close. :-) >> Bob >> ================== >> >> gordon wrote: >> >> > Mike: Actually you don't live too far from what could be called a >> > close. In Quebec in the old city and near the central square is a >> > little street with houses behind each other. I took photos of that >> > some years back.. >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 > > >

Hello Michael in Norway from Ontario, Canada, This is a bit of a fishing expedition, but thought I would give it a try. I have a Dods line which peters out around 1717. I know of no direct connection to Athelstaneford, but the family seemed to have moved between Berwickshire and Roxburghshire, short distances even for those times. Here is what I have: Andrew Dods b~1681 (loc?) m Grissel Forest (2 children Alexander b1714 & Andrew b1717) This is an IGI finding and not confirmed. Andrew Dods b1717 Eccles, BWK m Christian Haig (5 male children listed IGI, Ist two born Merton Church ~4 miles from Earlston) Andrew Dods b1746 Roxburgh, ROX m Margaret Stevenson (8 children born Earlston/Nenthorn, BWK) William Dods b1781 Earlston, BWK emigrated to Canada in 1824 with wife (Elizabeth Shillinglaw) and (5 of 8?) children. Let me know if there is any possible connection. Elizabeth Dods <elizd77@rogers.com> -----Original Message----- From: sten [mailto:michael.stenhouse@c2i.net] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:45 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] MY ATHELSTANEFORD NAMES Dear Listers, I am interested in the following names, all of which have their origins in Athelstaneford for the period 1660-1764. DODS/DODDS HUNTER CUNNINGHAM/CUNINGHAME CRAWFOORD/CRAWFORD WALKER SYMPSON/SIMPSON ANDERSON Best Wishes, From, Michael in Norway. http://home.c2i.net/stenhouse/stenhouse/MICHAELSPAGES/INDEX. HTM Proud to be part of the FreeCen Project http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ All my outgoing mails are checked by Norton Antivirus 2004

Hi Bob, It takes me 6 hours or more just to drive to Montreal. The pedal car is hard on the legs. :)) I can get to Boston from Toronto in 10 hours and that's allowing for stops so I can clean the flies off my goggles. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "hiflyte" <hiflyte@telus.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] The Close's of Quebec > > Actually it is 800KM or 500 miles, from Toronto to Quebec, I guess this > is close. :-) > Bob > ================== > > gordon wrote: > > > Mike: Actually you don't live too far from what could be called a > > close. In Quebec in the old city and near the central square is a > > little street with houses behind each other. I took photos of that > > some years back.. > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05

Sounds like New Orleans! Used to be a fun place to visit but now... The French Quarter is still fun, but stay in the centre/center and be in your hotel before dark. Years ago, our vet was murdered there, robbers attacked his wife and he was shot when he tried to intervene. There are places in our town, Biloxi, MS, where it's not good to be in after dark. I grew up in the 1950's in Kent, at Margate, where the only murder this century, in the 1930's, was still talked about. Times have changed! Happy hunting, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: Liz Parkinson [mailto:parkinsonliz@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:14 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family I dont drive through that part of Manchester - the VERY occassions I have got lost and found myself there, all the windows and doors and locked on the car and get out as soon as possible Liz >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:55:42 -0400 > >Sounds like Baltimore, Maryland, they have nightly drive bye and also >walk bye shootings. They only have about 65,000 drug addicts(10% of >population) and only 52% of the non white males have prison records. >Needless to say I live in the County and seldom visit that esteemed city. > > Gordon >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:54 PM >Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > >>and I thought Moss Side was bad....<GRIN> >> >>Mike >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Parkinson" >><parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> >>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:14 PM >>Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >> >> >>>Mike, nowadays you wouldnt want to visit Hulme, and if you did, you >>>sure wouldnt recognise it - all 60s built flats and drugs and drive >>>by >>shooting - >>>al ot of good positive stuff going on there as well, but it is a bad >>>area now >>> >>>Liz >>> >>> >From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> >Subject: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:41 -0500 >>> > >>> >I lived with my grandmother, mom and dad and younger brother for a >>>short >>> >time during the war in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire England. >>> > >>> >My gran lived in a one up and one down terraced house dating from >>>around >>> >1850. It had a small scullery with a door leading to a very small >>> >back >>yard >>> >which housed a toilet in a small building in the back yard. There >>> >was >>>no >>> >cellar. The ground floor flooring was sand stone paving stones. She >>> >had >>one >>> >cold water tap and a two ring gas burner with a grill. The oven was >>>part >>of >>> >her fireplace. She made wonderful Sunday dinners, baked excellent >>> >pies although fruit and sugar were scarce. The lighting was one gas >>> >lamp in >>the >>> >downstairs room. This was one of many terraced homes in the south >>> >part of Manchester. >>> > >>> >A lot of them were infested with large red flat bed bugs. I was >>> >told many years later this was due to them using horse hair to bond >>> >the plaster >>>to >>> >the >>> >wood lathes on the walls and ceilings. But the war of the bugs is >>> >another story :)) >>> > >>> >Thanks for the memories......... :)) >>> > >>> >Mike Morris >>> >Toronto Canada >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:23 PM >>> >Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> > >>> > >>> > > Roger: No wonder its called a close, thats 8 people in two rooms. >>> > > >>> > > Gordon >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:54 PM >>> > > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > Hi Mike, >>> > > > Here is what I read before I had the advantage of your email! >>>There >>> >was >>> >an >>> > > > S on ATKIN >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > > > Edinburgh, Canongate >>> > > > 685/3/31 page 5 >>> > > > Old Church except North(?) Side from 242 - 254, inclusive. > > >>> > > > > >>>Embracing >>> > > > Pirrie's Close and Gibb's Close. >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >>> > > > 4 Pirrie's Close - 2 rooms with one window or more. >>> > > > John ATKINS Head, M, 30.. ..Gold Beater, born England Emma >>> > > > ATKINS, wife, M, 29...........born England Matilda ATKINS, >>> > > > daur, 4, scholar... born England William ATKINS, son, 2,.... >>> > > > born England Eugenie (?) ATKINS daur, 1mo,.... born Edinburgh >>> > > > John BRANNON, Boarder, M 29, Gold Beater ...born Edinburgh >>> > > > Maud(?) BRANNON, Boarder, M, 25, Boarder.. born Manchester >>> > > > Emma BRANNON Boarder, 11months..... born Edinburgh. >>> > > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > > > (?) means I stuggled with the word and it is open to > > > >>>interpretation. >>2 >>> >of >>> > > > us looked at Eugenie. >>> > > > So we should have read Sarah! >>> > > > I wrote no 4. Perhaps it was 6. There were several households >>> > > > at >>each >>> > > > number. >>> > > > I didn't see Thomas. I looked at the rest of Pirrie's Close >>> > > > and >>didn't >>> > > > notice any other ATKINs. >>> > > > >>> > > > Hope this helps but I could look again another time if you >>> > > > want me >>to >>> > > > check or try to send you a copy. The machines with printers >>> > > > were >>busy. >>> > > > >>> > > > Best Wishes, >>> > > > Jane >>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>> > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:53 PM >>> > > > Subject: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >> Hi Jane, >>> > > >> Thank you for your generous offer. I really would appreciate >>> > > >> it >>>if >>> >you >>> > > >> can >>> > > >> spare the time to look this up. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> The family lived at #6 Pirrie's Close in March of 1871. >>> > > >> District Cannongate, Burgh of Edinburgh, Scotland. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> John Atkin Trade was a Goldbeater b1841 Salford Lancashire >>> > > >> Wife Emma b1842 Salford Son Thomas b1862 England Dau Matilda >>> > > >> B1867 Salford Son William b1869 Salford Dau Sarah Ann born 21 >>> > > >> March 1871 at above listed address in >>Scotland. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Please could you also see if there are any other ATKIN >>> > > >> families >>> >living >>> >in >>> > > >> Pirrie's Close. I am curious to see if John ATKIN'S parents >>> > > >> John >>and >>> >Mary >>> > > >> ATKIN might be near by or some of his siblings. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Best wishes >>> > > >> Mike Morris >>> > > >> Toronto Canada >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > >> From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>> > > >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:41 AM >>> > > >> Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> Hi Mike, >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> If no previous offers, I will happily look up the 1871 >>> > > >>> Pirrie's >>> >Close, >>> > > >>> in >>> > > >> my >>> > > >>> lunch hour. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Best Wishes, >>> > > >>> Jane <snip> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> -- >>> > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> > > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> > > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: >>>3/18/05 >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >>> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: >>> > > 3/18/05 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >-- >>> >No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>> >>> >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 >> >> >> > >

being next door to each other, the trouble spills over between the areas. A guy I was a college with reported a drug dealer who lived next door to his girlfriend, and got thrown on the balcony of the block of flats, 8 weeks in hospital and then moved to another part of the country by the council for his own safety Liz >From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:54:27 -0500 > >and I thought Moss Side was bad....<GRIN> > >Mike >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Liz Parkinson" <parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:14 PM >Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > Mike, nowadays you wouldnt want to visit Hulme, and if you did, you sure > > wouldnt recognise it - all 60s built flats and drugs and drive by >shooting - > > al ot of good positive stuff going on there as well, but it is a bad >area > > now > > > > Liz > > > > >From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> > > >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:41 -0500 > > > > > >I lived with my grandmother, mom and dad and younger brother for a >short > > >time during the war in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire England. > > > > > >My gran lived in a one up and one down terraced house dating from >around > > >1850. It had a small scullery with a door leading to a very small back >yard > > >which housed a toilet in a small building in the back yard. There was >no > > >cellar. The ground floor flooring was sand stone paving stones. She had >one > > >cold water tap and a two ring gas burner with a grill. The oven was >part >of > > >her fireplace. She made wonderful Sunday dinners, baked excellent pies > > >although fruit and sugar were scarce. The lighting was one gas lamp in >the > > >downstairs room. This was one of many terraced homes in the south part >of > > >Manchester. > > > > > >A lot of them were infested with large red flat bed bugs. I was told >many > > >years later this was due to them using horse hair to bond the plaster >to > > >the > > >wood lathes on the walls and ceilings. But the war of the bugs is >another > > >story :)) > > > > > >Thanks for the memories......... :)) > > > > > >Mike Morris > > >Toronto Canada > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > > >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:23 PM > > >Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > > > > > > > Roger: No wonder its called a close, thats 8 people in two rooms. > > > > > > > > Gordon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> > > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:54 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > Here is what I read before I had the advantage of your email! >There > > >was > > >an > > > > > S on ATKIN > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > Edinburgh, Canongate > > > > > 685/3/31 page 5 > > > > > Old Church except North(?) Side from 242 - 254, inclusive. >Embracing > > > > > Pirrie's Close and Gibb's Close. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > > > > 4 Pirrie's Close - 2 rooms with one window or more. > > > > > John ATKINS Head, M, 30.. ..Gold Beater, born England > > > > > Emma ATKINS, wife, M, 29...........born England > > > > > Matilda ATKINS, daur, 4, scholar... born England > > > > > William ATKINS, son, 2,.... born England > > > > > Eugenie (?) ATKINS daur, 1mo,.... born Edinburgh > > > > > John BRANNON, Boarder, M 29, Gold Beater ...born Edinburgh > > > > > Maud(?) BRANNON, Boarder, M, 25, Boarder.. born Manchester > > > > > Emma BRANNON Boarder, 11months..... born Edinburgh. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > (?) means I stuggled with the word and it is open to >interpretation. >2 > > >of > > > > > us looked at Eugenie. > > > > > So we should have read Sarah! > > > > > I wrote no 4. Perhaps it was 6. There were several households at >each > > > > > number. > > > > > I didn't see Thomas. I looked at the rest of Pirrie's Close and >didn't > > > > > notice any other ATKINs. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps but I could look again another time if you want me >to > > > > > check or try to send you a copy. The machines with printers were >busy. > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Jane > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> > > > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:53 PM > > > > > Subject: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Jane, > > > > >> Thank you for your generous offer. I really would appreciate it >if > > >you > > > > >> can > > > > >> spare the time to look this up. > > > > >> > > > > >> The family lived at #6 Pirrie's Close in March of 1871. District > > > > >> Cannongate, > > > > >> Burgh of > > > > >> Edinburgh, Scotland. > > > > >> > > > > >> John Atkin Trade was a Goldbeater b1841 Salford Lancashire > > > > >> Wife Emma b1842 Salford > > > > >> Son Thomas b1862 England > > > > >> Dau Matilda B1867 Salford > > > > >> Son William b1869 Salford > > > > >> Dau Sarah Ann born 21 March 1871 at above listed address in >Scotland. > > > > >> > > > > >> Please could you also see if there are any other ATKIN families > > >living > > >in > > > > >> Pirrie's Close. I am curious to see if John ATKIN'S parents John >and > > >Mary > > > > >> ATKIN might be near by or some of his siblings. > > > > >> > > > > >> Best wishes > > > > >> Mike Morris > > > > >> Toronto Canada > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> > > > > >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:41 AM > > > > >> Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>> Hi Mike, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> If no previous offers, I will happily look up the 1871 Pirrie's > > >Close, > > > > >>> in > > > > >> my > > > > >>> lunch hour. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Best Wishes, > > > > >>> Jane <snip> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: >3/18/05 > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 > > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 >

yes, they tend to be in large groups, and photograph EVERYTHING it was february and cold, not the ideal time to visit Britian from Japan, but they were there Liz >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MLN] The Close's of Edinburgh >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:01:40 -0400 > >Liz: I had to laugh at your Japanese tourists. A few yearsback our local >library had an article published about them in Japan. It's very advanced >and modern library with computer labs etc. For the next two years we could >hardly get into the front door because of Japanese tourists! > > Gordon >From: "Liz Parkinson" <parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 3:25 PM >Subject: RE: [MLN] The Close's of Edinburgh > > >>it is pretty bustley now Mike - but with tourists of course. when i was >>on the royal mile a week or two back it was full of Japanese tourists, >>plus a few European ones. >> >>Liz >> >>>From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>>Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: [MLN] The Close's of Edinburgh >>>Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:10:46 -0500 >>> >>>I just want to say, thank you, I found this subject about what is a Close >>>etc was very interesting. I have seen the map, the area has an >>>interesting >>>layout, not quite like a fishes bones and yet very Close (forgive the >>>pun) I >>>would have loved to have seen the hustle and bustle that went on in these >>>places 150 years ago. >>> >>>I assume Cannon gate wound its way down a hill with these 'Close's' >>>running >>>off on each side of Cannon gate. >>> >>>Cheers >>>Mike Morris >>>Toronto Canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Liz Parkinson" <parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> >>>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:56 PM >>>Subject: RE: [MLN] The Close's of Edinburgh >>> >>> >>> > yes I have heard of the Battle of Bannockburn, I just thought perhaps >>>there >>> > was particular thing going on. I know there was trouble in > >>>Tudor/Stuart >>> > times, but not too knowledgeable generally on Scottish history >>> > >>> > Liz >>> > >>> > >From: "Eleanor Robertson" <eleanor.robertson@blueyonder.co.uk> >>> > >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> > >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> > >Subject: RE: [MLN] The Close's of Edinburgh >>> > >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:43:52 -0000 >>> > > >>> > >In those days there was always fighting have you never heard of the >>>Battle >>> > >of Bannockburn >>> > > >>> > >-----Original Message----- >>> > >From: Liz Parkinson [mailto:parkinsonliz@hotmail.com] >>> > >Sent: 21 March 2005 15:47 >>> > >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> > >Subject: RE: [MLN] The Close's of Edinburgh >>> > > >>> > >excuse my ignorance of Scottish hoistory - what invasion >>> > > >>> > >Liz >>> > > >>> > > >From: "Eleanor Robertson" <eleanor.robertson@blueyonder.co.uk> >>> > > >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> > > >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> > > >Subject: RE: [MLN] The Close's of Edinburgh >>> > > >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:15:59 -0000 >>> > > > >>> > > >Think of the Royal Mile as the spine of a fish. >>> > > >Building was done on either side and down the closes. >>> > > >People only lived in the High Street so they needed as many houses >>> > > >as >>> > > >possible that is why the houses were built so high. >>> > > >Once you get to the Canongate things change as that was out side >>>the >>>city >>> > > >walls. They then built houses with more space between them, but >>>this >>>was >>> > > >not >>> > > >popular at the time as people were afraid to live out side the >>>gates >>>for >>> > > >fear of the invasion mainly. >>> > > >Hope you understand this. >>> > > >Regards >>> > > >Eleanor >>> > > > >>> > > >-----Original Message----- >>> > > >From: gordon crooks [mailto:glcrooks@bcpl.net] >>> > > >Sent: 21 March 2005 15:04 >>> > > >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> > > >Subject: Re: [MLN] The Close's of Edinburgh >>> > > > >>> > > >Eleanor: I had figured that much out, but what really interests me >>> > > >is >>>why >>> > > >they were made in the first place, some appear to be architeckial >>>gems >>> > >and >>> > > >what prompted them to be build behind existing buildings or to have >>> > > >buildings built in front of them. >>> > > > >>> > > > Gordon >>> > > >----- Original Message ----- >>> > > >From: "Eleanor Robertson" <eleanor.robertson@blueyonder.co.uk> >>> > > >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:56 AM >>> > > >Subject: RE: [MLN] The Close's of Edinburgh >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > Close means a closed ending there is only one way out it is the >>>same >>> > >way >>> > > > > as >>> > > > > you came in. >>> > > > > Hope this helps >>> > > > > Regards >>> > > > > Eleanor >>> > > > > >>> > > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > > From: gordon crooks [mailto:glcrooks@bcpl.net] >>> > > > > Sent: 21 March 2005 12:21 >>> > > > > To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> > > > > Subject: [MLN] The Close's of Edinburgh >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Can anyone explain the reason for building "Close's" in the > > >>> > > first >>> > > >place, >>> > > > > shortage of flat land or what? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Gordon >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > No virus found in this incoming message. >>> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>> >> >> >> > >

I dont drive through that part of Manchester - the VERY occassions I have got lost and found myself there, all the windows and doors and locked on the car and get out as soon as possible Liz >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:55:42 -0400 > >Sounds like Baltimore, Maryland, they have nightly drive bye and also walk >bye shootings. They only have about 65,000 drug addicts(10% of population) >and only 52% of the non white males have prison records. Needless to say I >live in the County and seldom visit that esteemed city. > > Gordon >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:54 PM >Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > >>and I thought Moss Side was bad....<GRIN> >> >>Mike >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Parkinson" >><parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> >>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:14 PM >>Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >> >> >>>Mike, nowadays you wouldnt want to visit Hulme, and if you did, you sure >>>wouldnt recognise it - all 60s built flats and drugs and drive by >>shooting - >>>al ot of good positive stuff going on there as well, but it is a bad area >>>now >>> >>>Liz >>> >>> >From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> >Subject: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:41 -0500 >>> > >>> >I lived with my grandmother, mom and dad and younger brother for a >>>short >>> >time during the war in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire England. >>> > >>> >My gran lived in a one up and one down terraced house dating from >>>around >>> >1850. It had a small scullery with a door leading to a very small back >>yard >>> >which housed a toilet in a small building in the back yard. There was >>>no >>> >cellar. The ground floor flooring was sand stone paving stones. She had >>one >>> >cold water tap and a two ring gas burner with a grill. The oven was >>>part >>of >>> >her fireplace. She made wonderful Sunday dinners, baked excellent pies >>> >although fruit and sugar were scarce. The lighting was one gas lamp in >>the >>> >downstairs room. This was one of many terraced homes in the south part >>> >of >>> >Manchester. >>> > >>> >A lot of them were infested with large red flat bed bugs. I was told >>> >many >>> >years later this was due to them using horse hair to bond the plaster >>>to >>> >the >>> >wood lathes on the walls and ceilings. But the war of the bugs is >>> >another >>> >story :)) >>> > >>> >Thanks for the memories......... :)) >>> > >>> >Mike Morris >>> >Toronto Canada >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:23 PM >>> >Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> > >>> > >>> > > Roger: No wonder its called a close, thats 8 people in two rooms. >>> > > >>> > > Gordon >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:54 PM >>> > > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > Hi Mike, >>> > > > Here is what I read before I had the advantage of your email! >>>There >>> >was >>> >an >>> > > > S on ATKIN >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > > > Edinburgh, Canongate >>> > > > 685/3/31 page 5 >>> > > > Old Church except North(?) Side from 242 - 254, inclusive. > > > >>>Embracing >>> > > > Pirrie's Close and Gibb's Close. >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >>> > > > 4 Pirrie's Close - 2 rooms with one window or more. >>> > > > John ATKINS Head, M, 30.. ..Gold Beater, born England >>> > > > Emma ATKINS, wife, M, 29...........born England >>> > > > Matilda ATKINS, daur, 4, scholar... born England >>> > > > William ATKINS, son, 2,.... born England >>> > > > Eugenie (?) ATKINS daur, 1mo,.... born Edinburgh >>> > > > John BRANNON, Boarder, M 29, Gold Beater ...born Edinburgh >>> > > > Maud(?) BRANNON, Boarder, M, 25, Boarder.. born Manchester >>> > > > Emma BRANNON Boarder, 11months..... born Edinburgh. >>> > > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > > > (?) means I stuggled with the word and it is open to > > > >>>interpretation. >>2 >>> >of >>> > > > us looked at Eugenie. >>> > > > So we should have read Sarah! >>> > > > I wrote no 4. Perhaps it was 6. There were several households at >>each >>> > > > number. >>> > > > I didn't see Thomas. I looked at the rest of Pirrie's Close and >>didn't >>> > > > notice any other ATKINs. >>> > > > >>> > > > Hope this helps but I could look again another time if you want me >>to >>> > > > check or try to send you a copy. The machines with printers were >>busy. >>> > > > >>> > > > Best Wishes, >>> > > > Jane >>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>> > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:53 PM >>> > > > Subject: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >> Hi Jane, >>> > > >> Thank you for your generous offer. I really would appreciate it >>>if >>> >you >>> > > >> can >>> > > >> spare the time to look this up. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> The family lived at #6 Pirrie's Close in March of 1871. District >>> > > >> Cannongate, >>> > > >> Burgh of >>> > > >> Edinburgh, Scotland. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> John Atkin Trade was a Goldbeater b1841 Salford Lancashire >>> > > >> Wife Emma b1842 Salford >>> > > >> Son Thomas b1862 England >>> > > >> Dau Matilda B1867 Salford >>> > > >> Son William b1869 Salford >>> > > >> Dau Sarah Ann born 21 March 1871 at above listed address in >>Scotland. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Please could you also see if there are any other ATKIN families >>> >living >>> >in >>> > > >> Pirrie's Close. I am curious to see if John ATKIN'S parents John >>and >>> >Mary >>> > > >> ATKIN might be near by or some of his siblings. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Best wishes >>> > > >> Mike Morris >>> > > >> Toronto Canada >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > >> From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>> > > >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:41 AM >>> > > >> Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> Hi Mike, >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> If no previous offers, I will happily look up the 1871 Pirrie's >>> >Close, >>> > > >>> in >>> > > >> my >>> > > >>> lunch hour. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Best Wishes, >>> > > >>> Jane <snip> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> -- >>> > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> > > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> > > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: >>>3/18/05 >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >>> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >-- >>> >No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>> >>> >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 >> >> >> > >

Gil & Sonia Murray wrote: > > I think an "occupier" was a tenant. Maybe he was her father - or it could > be, his wife was paid to board the child? The land tax ie VALUATION ROLLS records provide three columns re those with an interest, against each property These are headed PROPRIETOR ie the owner TENANT the person who rents or leases the place from the Proprietor OCCUPIER the resident- usually the head of the family living there Cheers, ALISTAIR M. CAMERON A.A.G.R.A. Professional Genealogist http://quozl.netrek.org/cameron-research/ PO Box 215 BUNDANOON NSW 2578 AUSTRALIA

Doreen, You wrote ... "However - I must correct you on the location of Liberton - it is far away from Gorgie. Liberton is over to the south side of the city" ... Sorry about that, you are quite correct. I meant to say Newington, but somehow managed to think Liberton, probably because I was there on Saturday. Duncan, Dundee

I was born and brought up in Myrtle Terrace - the one just beside Primrose Terrace, and I never heard the name Gorgie Mains! It is good to learn something new about Edinburgh. However - I must correct you on the location of Liberton - it is far away from Gorgie. Liberton is over to the south side of the city - Gorgie is on the west side. Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Smith" <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: [MLN] Re - Gorgiemain > Elaine, > > Gorgie Mains, situated to the East of Primrose Terrace, was so named > around 1815, as a replacement for Gorgie Muir. The name Gorgie comes from > 'Gor Gyn' or upper wedge, supposedly a reference to the tapering shape of > the land between the river and the Craiglockart Hills. > > Grange Toll was originally a place to the North end of Mayfield Road, > which is in the Liberton area, just to the East of Gorgie. > > Duncan, Dundee >